Cut Demo's Using The Ableton Move | What's it REALLY For?

[@synthseeker]

Example track here with added rhythm part: soundcloud.com/lukestark/move_demo_1

[@lucnejame]

I was thinking the same thing! The 4 track analogy is right on. Also your comments and thoughts are super refreshing with how practical they are. Great analysis!

[@synthseeker]

Thank you kindly! If you found something useful here, then you’ve made my day.

[@PopLife]

I just bought mine and it was actually the limitations that sold me on this device. I'm also a child of the 80s and used my 4-track Tascam to cut my demos so your video spoke to my heart. I agree this is a luxury device for most kids that use a laptop to make music. I can't wait to make music demos with mine.

[@synthseeker]

Oh yes…love the old tascams and fostex! :) have fun!

[@drysabre2242]

I still have Tascam 424. Probably, it's time to record on it.

[@joskomestrov-uroda4012]

​@@drysabre2242 424mkIII user here...although I had PC with Reaper on it, somehow I prefere to work around its limitations, track bouncing, slight input overload for that analog grit. Move is on that "track". I would like more conventional stereo output and input tho

[@stuntmanmadeit]

As a long time MPC user. I just love the move! I believe the future updates are really going to take this box to the next level up.

[@synthseeker]

I hope so too. Fingers crossed!

[@Easy_Company]

It would be fun and seems like a no brainer (obviously I'm no dev so pinch of salt take here) to import all Ableton synths in the future (operator, analog, electric)

[@synthseeker]

I agree! I hope that the internal arm processor has some extra oomph in it for running additional synth engines for sure.

[@morganpage]

I’m so curious if it can be more than a sketchpad with just a couple updates: multrack midi and sidechain

[@synthseeker]

Agreed. I think most people are very curious and hopefully optimistic that Ableton will expand the Moved behavior over time. I certainly am.

[@VJFranzK]

How easy / difficult will it be for me to record songs with vocals and occasional guitar? along with the usual beats & synths

[@synthseeker]

The microphone is actually pretty good, and the audio input gets the job done as far as feeding anything in from a guitar to a mic with a preamp. You do have to sort of think about working in clips and loops though. It’s not a tape recorder in the sense that you have a track that you can record audio onto.

[@YikesThump]

Thanks for the video. Your opening statements resonated with me. As a father and husband, with dogs, cats and life in front of me, I feel the need to be present. So the Ableton Move was a perfect solution for me. Get an idea, crank it out while the kids are watching some Anime or something. I am simultaneously available to my family while still being able to express my creativity.

[@synthseeker]

I suspect there’s a lot of people in a similar situation. Although I must embarrassingly, admit that when my son was watching anime, I tended to watch it with him…

[@complexicus]

Same here 😂 son, wife, 2 dogs and 2 cats ❤

[@markkilborn512]

This comment may have just sold me on this thing. Exact same situation. Wife, three kids, two dogs. I also like the idea that the kids could noodle on this with me.

[@synthseeker]

We find the time to be creative in the cracks between all the *other* things we create. ;)

[@michael7018]

Just hit mine few days ago. I just love it. It will be expanded also. I made several full songs with it.

[@synthseeker]

Hey congrats! I agree...with firmware updates it can only get better. :)

[@DeepSpaceus]

Great video. I am in the same place you are. Couldn't move the studio to the living room (tried it). Got the Move a week ago and already cranked out a few demos. I think the one thing you did not mention is that if you really love what you did and want to expand it, you can simply move the set to Ableton and finish that masterpiece that will stay in the privacy of your computer :)

[@synthseeker]

Totally true, I didn't mention it because I figured every other video mentioned it but I completely agree that it's a nice workflow. Very clean. :)

[@cliftonoquinn1865]

I tried moving the studio into the living room, too and 😂 It would have been awesome if I was single.

[@synthseeker]

lol! If I tried to do that, I would have to *become* single. Or dead. :-)

[@owlmuso]

Very useful perspective. I am in the process of deciding between the Move, the MPC's or another work station, and this really helps. Thank you

[@synthseeker]

Anytime! :) good luck with your decision.

[@owlmuso]

@@synthseeker Thanks bud, your wisdom on the subject is well appreciated

[@r3dstar77]

great video. I have a push 3 standalone. This feels like a device that I would use to "cut a demo" but then take it into the push 3 environment, add external synths and finish the track in the big brother push 3 environment. What are your thoughts on this mindset? I as well yearn to be a couch demo cutter, but studio refiner. My wife also watches terrible train wreck television.

[@synthseeker]

You and I are pushing the same envelope. But I have too much of a belly for the Push 3 to sit on my lap comfortably. :) So I develop ideas on the Move and then bring them into Ableton where I do in fact go into my cave and use the push and other synths to build out the arrangement.

[@Jam_Bon]

Great take on this. Waiting for the delivery. Can’t wait!

[@synthseeker]

Have fun with it.

[@drysabre2242]

I think I need one. Excess of sound choices with Push 3 standalone makes the process rolling around browsing instruments rather than creating. Thanks for inspiration!

[@synthseeker]

Hope it helped!

[@hvhvgitaar]

Thanks for your video. I think you make a lot of good points. My demos/songs usually start with some keys or guitar ideas. How practical do you think the Move is to record guitar chord progressions?

[@synthseeker]

I don’t think it’s very practical to consider it a tool for actually recording live guitar through its audio input into sample slices, but it’s certainly possible and you can do some interesting things with that. I’d give it a try. On the other hand when I’m working out harmonies and melodies for a song and I’m working in the box with synthesizers, for years synthesizer sucked at making guitar sounds and I wouldn’t even bother trying to emulate a guitar. What I would do instead is use a Rhodes or electric piano sound and just play the chords… later I could record actual guitar audio based on those chords in place. That worked just fine for understanding the structure of the song and the harmonies involved.

[@hvhvgitaar]

@@synthseeker Thanks for your response and for sharing your experience. I am not a great keyboard player but I guess trying out stuff with an e-piano sound would be a motivation to get better at it !

[@synthseeker]

Give it a shot and see what happens. As long as you’re having fun making music you can try all sorts of different processes and ideas and just keep the ones that you enjoy using. After all at the end of the day, it’s your music and you can build it however you like. :)

[@FatalExit]

Great video 💛 I ordered mine on launch day and have had it for over a week now. I think Abletons marketing was a little poor only showing the move off as a take out of the house instrument. I've been spending a bunch of time since I got it making music with family around which I can't do in my studio. I made a track tonight sitting with my father on the couch (he just got home from hospital today and he's very sick) and getting to spend this bonding time with him while he is very ill is worth way more to me than this device cost me, and not only that but my folks actually enjoy me jamming with it on living room sound system at times 😊

[@synthseeker]

If you publish what you make with it definitely drop me a link. I’d love to hear it.

[@kierenmoore3236]

That’s awesome. 😎

[@Ramoono]

I just got one because I realized that I always get ideas when I’m not in front of the computer/ studio and not in the mood to sit there for hours twiddling knobs. I just want to capture an idea and hear it later, several times to know if it’s worth developing more.

[@synthseeker]

I’m loving mine. Over the next few weeks I’ll post again as far as how successful I was at turning my sketches into finished pieces. :)

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

Great video brother

[@synthseeker]

I like to chat. It's very chatty. :)

[@CalTN]

The ADD audience isn't a very loyal one anyway 😅

[@synthseeker]

Squirrel!!!

[@kristianwest8561]

ordered the beyerdynamic dt 770s for my move, I think the 880s leak too much for living room jamming while others are around. But you are right, both 250 ohm sets get OK volume from the Move, even when it runs on the battery. A fun machine for sketches, but also for controlling Live, coming from someone having used both Note on the phone and someone who need that portable off screen jam option. Also should add that the ability to use it as a mini push for ableton is super,. I have the push 2, but Move will be part of my more mobile music setup now (Move, Move+laptop Ableton) for making and finishing music wherever) Thanks for the video 👌

[@synthseeker]

I’m glad it was useful. :)

[@musicinablender]

I really liked your perspective. I have a Novation Circuit and an OP-1, both I’ve used as devices for coming up with quick musical and sound design ideas. The Move reminds me of the Circuit in the way the interface is designed. And I really enjoyed the synth and sample engines of the OP-1. But you’re spot on in noting that the Move has far more functionality than the OP-1. It’s not even close. Add to that the way it interacts with LIVE. (I’ve been a Live user for 20 years). The Move is my Christmas present this year. Am a subscriber now. Funny that I was actually listening to Phaedra the other day. Gimme some of that Berlin School.

[@synthseeker]

Welcome aboard! Phaedra was my first taste of TD.

[@robertmyers6518]

I've been looking for a portable songwriting device for several years, so when I first saw the Move I said to myself, "if it's less than six hundred dollars, I'm ordering one on release day." I love this device, but I'm so wedded to the piano roll that it's a bit of a learning curve to adapt to the pads and the lack of a visual display for the sequences. I think the pre-loaded randomized set paradigm is a stroke of genius because you can turn it on and start making music instantly. And, as you say, you can easily swap out sounds later. Zero speed bumps in the way to getting started. I'm still working my way thru the manual and asking questions of the device, exploring what it can do, and learning how to use it, so I'm less focused on making anything worth saving right now. Instead, just trying things out and saying, "OK, now I see how that works" and deleting the set to try something new. Two weeks in and still glad I bought it.

[@synthseeker]

Congratulations on finding a tool you enjoy exploring! I’m one of those terrible people who just keeps overriding the same set even though I’ve got a template set there. Once I settle down and finish exploring, I think my actual set count will increase above one.

[@robertmyers6518]

@@synthseeker Likewise! This looks like it will be a good songwriting companion.

[@stuartglenn3719]

Great explanation and demonstration of this thing! It’s such a fun little music tool. It feels kind of like a Nintendo switch. Not the most powerful or best graphics, but you can take it anywhere and have a great time. May have undersold the sounds a bit though. Lots of great sounds in there! Great take on the move

[@synthseeker]

I agree the sounds it comes with are great, but I tend to pick a few and work with those and tend not to dig into all the others that much. :)

[@NoonianSoong403]

I love mine! No regrets buying it. Because of the portability, I use it far more often than my Push 3 Standalone, however when I'm using it, it makes me think, "man I wish I was using the Push 3S right now". But definitely worth the money for me at least. My only real issue is that I mostly do rock, so guitar and bass, and it's hard to get a good sounding guitar instrument, even for a demo, it's hard to write guitar parts on it. Even power chords sound weird. So it's sort of forcing me to write in a different genre. But I have had some success using my tiny travel guitar with a tiny amp to sample in guitar parts. That sounds better than any synth pluck I could find in the Move, even though my portable guitar setup sounds weird, but of course I'm just using it as a Demo machine. I can come back to the studio and use Ableton Live with a Quad Cortex, no problem. But it's been tricky writing rock/metal songs on it. Edit: OH, but I have been using it to accompany me on the drums. So I'll sketch out some melodies, etc. and I'll play drums along to it, with it sitting on a high tom (because I rarely use high tom). So it feels like part of my drum set, with the audio out running through my drum monitor. That's always fun.

[@synthseeker]

When I want to write rhythm guitar parts on a synth I tend to lean into crunch electric piano/rhodes sounds. The timbre isn't the same but the frequency spectrum overlaps and pounding out chords translate well enough. :) give it a try!

[@NoonianSoong403]

@@synthseeker Thank you! I’ll try that!

[@VJFranzK]

Thanks for the Data, Noonian! So, you are breaking the song into guitar "loops" and sampling them? (Because it's not possible YET? to record a full audio track as with Push 3, which is also what I do now.) For me, I'd want to sing lyrics, but easier if a person can just flow with it instead of thinking it into blocks, so to speak

[@synthseeker]

I don’t anticipate ever being able to just use a track as tape. It’s really just a sketchpad and not meant to be Ableton Live itself. It might happen, but I haven’t heard any rumors.

[@StefanSchoch]

I love your perspective on the Move, which is - obviously - based on your own hands on experience. I really don't understand what sense it makes when people who have never touched the thing themselves critisize a product - except for collecting KZbin clicks. I'd love to see more in depth videos of you makeing these beautiful Berlin tracks solely on Move! The track you uploadad to soundcloud is great! I suspect you added the drumtrack in live?

[@synthseeker]

I did add the rhythm after in Live. :) and yes I’ll do more. :)

[@StefanSchoch]

@@synthseeker 😀

[@sawekky2392]

That totally resonates with me. Thank you for that video!

[@synthseeker]

Hope it helped. :)

[@Skiddoo42]

@@synthseeker Your playing and compositional abilities are amazing!

[@DonHenderson]

I like it as a standalone for getting ideas down and having fun, I am enjoying knocking jams out (trying lol) but for the simplicity, construction and functionality, for me I think it's worth the money.

[@synthseeker]

Me too...thanks for sharing. :)

[@krazywabbit]

Great perspective!

[@synthseeker]

Tanks. :)

[@rez9159]

I think you got it right what this thing is about, quick access to creativity and realizing rough ideas without distraction by complexity, but i think it's not about being professional or not, i would say it is about easy accessibility whoever want it. I sold my Push 2 because i only used it for getting ideas out in the very beginning of a production but never used more than the Move offers in Live mode, i am pretty much a mouse + keyboard fan and i am faster in browsing and editing with them. Bringing the encoders closer to my keyboard due to Moves smaller format is also a thing i like, i want everything close without stretching my arm.

[@synthseeker]

Are you on the couch or do you mostly work at a desk? :) I start in the couch but finish at scream using regular hardware or a push.

[@cliftonoquinn1865]

Yeah! What he said. I've purchased and returned my share of digital multitrack devices. This... THIS IS IT. First creation attempt turned out very, very usable.

[@synthseeker]

Nice. I’m really enjoying it as well.

[@razoraz]

Dude thank you for doing this stream-of-thought. What is "Berlin school" though? I adore some artists from there like Moderat/Apparat and Hecq, bordering UK artists like Rival Consoles and Shpongle. Im can write a song and havve played with interfaces like Logic and Ableton for over a decade, (both and others are also made in Germany since forever!) impressed always, but never found myself engaged musically. I want something I can TOUCH.That's why I look at these interfaces. Also, maybe your doggo isn't hungry, just into your music. The older I get the more I think a lot more mammals than we give them credit for are into music.

[@synthseeker]

Berlin School (classic) are bands like Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze. From the AI web: “The Berlin School is a style of electronic music that originated in Berlin, Germany in the 1970s. It's characterized by the use of synthesizers, drum machines, and sequencers to create a repetitive, hypnotic sound. The Berlin School is often seen as a precursor to modern electronic music genres like techno, trance, and ambient.” Hope that helps your search. ;)

[@rainbowmerlin1]

@@synthseeker I was fortunate enough to see Tangerine Dream performing live in Liverpool Cathedral in 1975. My first live concert!

[@synthseeker]

@@rainbowmerlin1 you lucky #%^*?*!!!

[@claytonchipper3874]

I like your perspective on this.

[@synthseeker]

Thank you. :)

[@chrisjackson7064]

Pet snake reggie has a dope mix tape.

[@synthseeker]

"I hate snakes Jaque!" :)

[@tkzic]

Great presentation. Thank you.

[@synthseeker]

Thanks for watching!

[@MarshMakesComics]

“Couch Compose” ha ha I like it. And participate in it 🤣😎👍

[@synthseeker]

Welcome to the club. :)

[@kristianwest8561]

yeah man

[@synthseeker]

☀️

[@Xanaduum]

Slightly off topic but just wanted to share a little discovery I made yesterday on my Android phone. There's an app called Chord Bot, and at first I was just going to use it to practice chord progressions. But since you can plan out whole sections of chord sequences on there and layer instruments and then export it all as midi, it seems like a great tool for when you have ten minutes spare to do some composing, and then upload the midi to Google drive to work in ableton with some decent plugin instruments. Seems like it would be great for Berlin School style stuff.

[@synthseeker]

Thanks, I ran across ChordBot a couple years ago and it looks like a great tool. I mostly do stuff by hand these days and I’m not in a terrible rush so speed of production isn’t really something that I worry about. But it seems like it’s quite a good enabling utility. Thanks for sharing!

[@Xanaduum]

@@synthseekerit's mainly something I've started using while out and about to plan progressions. I think ableton has a basic mobile version now for a similar purpose but it only works on iPhone, which I don't have.

[@drysabre2242]

It resembles arrangement/session hybrid view. I think it's easy to adopt.

[@synthseeker]

I agree but some people seem perplexed. Not sure why?

[@Dejan_RC]

I saw all the reviews, but I am pulling the trigger after this one. By the way, really nice headphones on your couch - can you run your Beyers sufficiently directly from Move?

[@synthseeker]

Yes. I have the 250ohm model and they are driven fine. :)

[@Marco-ek8wu]

@@synthseekerdamn I sold my 250ohms as they didn’t have enough power in the push 3 which is annoying.

[@synthseeker]

Really? I haven’t had a problem with these on the push. Were you getting distortion? Or was the level just low?

[@Marco-ek8wu]

@@synthseeker DT880’s 250ohm. level was low. I contacted ableton and didn’t really get a proper response - just turn the volume up. Well it was up and I dont want to start adding limiters just to get it louder.They worked fine in the MPC. I ended up buying some 60ohm dt990 pro X’s which are sublime and work fine in the push.kind of did me a favour 😂

[@billiedoesbeats]

Everything you said in the first minute was so accurate lol. I needed someone to say it first…I like hanging out with my wife and cat. No more studio cave, groove box widow 😂 I got my dream desk and setup but I really wanna be on the couch tapping away LOL

[@synthseeker]

Yeah, I still like going into the cave and playing with the sense but I just don’t do it every night all the time. And my wife I think is happier for it.

[@AAXANTIAIART]

Very useful perspective to call it a demo machine. Thanks

[@synthseeker]

I hope that is useful. 😌

[@AAXANTIAIART]

@@synthseeker Certainly is. Already have a unit and I am practicing with KZbin and the manual. Bought it purely on looks (just love Ableton's minimalistic Bauhaus design) and the promise of simplicity and I think it delivers for a learner like me. I don't have any hardware synths and don't want any (would be wasted on me and eat up space). But I can have interfaces. So I have a PUSH 3 and the MOVE will probably help me to get to the point where I can actually get something out of it. Calling a demo machine sets the right expectations and mindset. Like the very useful VCL modules with fixed sample. If one can make music with an Amiga, then certainly with this. Cheers

[@synthseeker]

Aaaaah, the Amiga...how I miss the days of ProTracker. :)

[@JohnMark61355]

Thank you.

[@synthseeker]

You are welcome!

[@chrisjackson7064]

Ive been a MPC/maschine guy for 20 plus years… i havent picked them up since i got this.

[@synthseeker]

I'd imagine you will return at some point. Tools are tools right?

[@nukenoly8751]

Got a MacBook Air and Push 1 for $450 after I returned my Move 😮 No regrets

[@synthseeker]

Score! Nice rig! I used the MacBook Air and a push for about 10 years. The ultimate lightweight travel combo.

[@Artek604]

No one yet said it's for "cutting demos" because people don't say that. It's a sketchpad. Everyone's been saying THAT. Awesome video + subscribed 😊

[@synthseeker]

What’s this “skotch-pard” you speak of?! Witchcraft! ;)

[@Artek604]

@@synthseeker it's a place where you drink Whiskey ;)

[@tlight901]

Okey dokey. You've sold me on it. 😊👍

[@synthseeker]

If only I got some money for every time I did that. :-)

[@KenithCopeland]

while i have a push2, the move massivly appeals to me because i need a smaller controller for ableton and sometimes with the "full" push and ableton there are just too many options, thats one reason i loved the elektron digitakt when i first got it becuase it was just 8 tracks, this being 4 tracks really doesnt bother me, 4 tracks is enough to have fun with, if you need more use a DAW. while i've never been someone to buy a piece of gear and hope for updates, the one thing i would really hope for is either some live looping sort of thing (guitarist here) but for the price here in australia its very decent, cant wait to get one

[@synthseeker]

Well the live looping things does seem like it cold come in a future update. the infrastructure (audio in, sample clips) seem present. fingers crossed! :)

[@kitespongan]

Synthesizer widow hahah! First time hearing that! 😂

[@synthseeker]

It’s similar to “football widow” on Sundays. :)

[@stevespacek8893]

Am looking at this little box of tricks and I can tell from the off that I could easily make completed tracks on it- maybe minus vocals. But then I hear yu can record up to four min of audio per pad. So maybe there could be a workaround there too.. Ultimately, I’m thinking there is more than enough for any seasoned musician/producer worth their weight to be able to create whatever they wish, especially if you make electronic music. Also that price is an absolute no brainer for what I’ve seen of this machine thus far. These days, peeps are so spoilt for choice that they have forgotten how so much amazing music- that has stood the test of time- was created on gear nowhere near as expansive, feat rich and advanced as this. Add in some carefully considered updates along the way and the Move may end up a portable music making powerhouse.

[@synthseeker]

It’s certainly open-ended enough for people to work out optimized workflows that squeeze every possible track-like behavior from it. I’ve already seen people do amazing things with it. Let’s see what happens. :)

[@rayderrich]

If you can't see how much 450 dollar gives you in Move, it is not for you. I own sequencers twice the price that make no noise at all. I own synths half the price that can only sequence 16 steps of 1 sound. In all the available gear, there sure must be something there for everyone. Thank you very much, Luke, and hug Bubba for me.

[@synthseeker]

Consider him hugged, fed, watered, and asleep next to me.

[@nanocyde_artist]

Nice thumbnail. That's my daily driver deck.

[@synthseeker]

Those TEACs were affordable and popular. :)

[@olivers3679]

Actually it’s also a great device for kids & beginners!

[@synthseeker]

I think grids in general are really good for kids and beginners. I’m a big fan of teaching beginners. Welcome aboard!

[@nwdreamer]

OMG!!! A real opinion!!! Karens, trolls and snowflakes are triggered everywhere!!! 😂 Bubba approved! (Good job Luke! 😉)

[@synthseeker]

Thank you sir. ;)

[@Kevinschart]

Its a demo machine. People want it to be a DAW for some strange reason. Push 3 and Ableton already exists for those people.

[@synthseeker]

Agreed. :)

[@mrcanisters]

So what's the obsession with quick/fast?

[@synthseeker]

Quick/fast to capture the flow of ideas. Often technology blocks the flow or distracts the process.

[@sebastianvega4576]

It looks cool and is super portable. I like that about it. But on the couch, i use a laptop with ableton. I understand that some people prefer to be dawless or have as little interaction with the computer as possible. I do not mind that and prefer to have the whole feature set. And you can be very fast on a laptop if you practice that workflow. So, i pass on this on for now.

[@synthseeker]

Been there and I understand. I like the tactility of a dedicated surface, but some people are good with a mouse/trackpad. Have fun! :)

[@michaelhemberger1249]

You had me at .. "I'm old and amateur...."

[@synthseeker]

We’re like an army out here. ;)

[@ACABSTUDIOS]

I don't really see the convenience of something that sounds like a an old casio keyboard.

[@synthseeker]

Then don’t use one?

[@synthseeker]

Actually, if you’re interested in today’s stream, I will be demonstrating the convenience of using a move in accommodation with Ableton push. Once you see it in action, you can decide if it’s adding enough convenience for it to warrant your attention. If not, that’s cool… Just don’t buy one :-)

[@Skiddoo42]

I think Ableton missed an opportunity by not calling this the "Shove"

[@synthseeker]

that feels right in so many ways. :-)

[@JeffHopkinsMusic]

Possible solution: move the synth dungeon to the living room.

[@synthseeker]

I tried. Divorce papers were drawn up.

[@eTERNIAN69]

@@synthseekerI was about to try this out today maybe I shouldn’t, set up in living room lol

[@synthseeker]

Danger Will Robinson. :) Depends on the significant other.

[@trusto1016]

Your vocabulary is bigger than my 🧠 sometimes, lol 😆 very interesting none the less.

[@synthseeker]

And you have more "used to work in law enforcement" stories than I do. It all evens out. :)

[@trusto1016]

@@synthseeker we really love you and the Mrs.

[@synthseeker]

Mrs who? I’m single this week. Me and Bubba are looking for “short-haired curly white bitches” (his words, not mine.)

[@trusto1016]

@@synthseeker lmfao 🤣 😂 💀 😭 😆

[@drysabre2242]

I disagree with you. It sounds amazing.

[@synthseeker]

You are welcome to disagree. :) I'm sure there are great sounds in there, but I only **need** the basic ones.

[@drysabre2242]

@@synthseeker I referred to your "basic" sounds, Luke!

[@drysabre2242]

Any chance you have a tutorial on how to compose Berlin Old School track on Push 3? Or, if not, can you think about making one?

[@synthseeker]

I’ll think about it. I have many videos of how to do it on the Push 2 - and those should all apply to the Push 3. Was there something specific about the push three you were looking to harness?

[@drysabre2242]

@@synthseeker Not really anything specific - I am new to Push anyway. I think standalone version may have some nuances. But I'll check on your Push 2 videos, thanks!

[@valuemastery]

When you said it's a 4 track tape deck, I immediately thought about sampling external performances directly to drum pads, making it essentially a 16 track tape deck, where you can bounce tracks etc., and still have 3 move tracks free. I wonder how it's to use it in this scenarion, and if it could replace a looper.

[@synthseeker]

Doing that is exactly the behavior I’ve seen a lot of videos about. People using the drum rack to expand a single track with chromatic pads into 16. I think that’s a viable approach and you should explore it. I looked at it tried it very briefly. It works, but institutes further limitations. For example, if you want to do polyrhythms, it’s difficult within a single rack to have different polymetric rhythms playing against each other. I’m not going to say impossible, but when I was trying to do it, I struggled. Maybe you can figure it out! :) have fun!

[@Romenet310]

Good Move by Ableton…heh. The Push 3 is disappointing in that is not really fun to use standalone. Not because of the functionality but because it is big, heavy and just clunky. Beyond that, it gets hot in your lap.

[@synthseeker]

100%. It's like putting a panini-press in your lap. Why they didn't use an ARM architecture is beyond me.

[@lazymandoplayer]

Delete it. Store it. Shelve it. Sell it - am I the only one who got a hint of Daft Punk at that moment? 🤣

[@synthseeker]

*makes robot dance moves*

[@mmacult5336]

thats for people who gave up on making hits and making real money

[@synthseeker]

Depends. If you’re already making real money and hits, picking up a new tool isn’t going to prevent you from continuing doing that.

[@theinvisibleman-e8v]

It’s great for amateurs who wanna mess around for a bit. Too limited to make a real track. The pads are disappointing.

[@synthseeker]

I like the pads, feels like a Push 2. You can certainly take what you make and move it into Ableton to build it out. :)

[@Kevinschart]

So you can't make a real track on a 4 track recorder? Not making sense bud.

[@synthseeker]

Bruce Springsteen would beg to differ. ;)

[@sodiumlights]

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[@Skiddoo42]

The only pads that I've used that really impress me are the Elektron RYTM. It's like tapping on velocity sensity glass.