'Star Citizen's' future revealed... (after raising $730m)

[@xk4l1br3]

I was 29 years old when this game was announced for crowdfunding. Since then I’ve gotten married, bought a house, had children, changed careers twice. I’m now 40 and this game still isn’t ready for release.

[@noozle3884]

I was 15 back then. Since then I have finished high school, graduated college twice, also switched career and bought a house. I am so stoked to play this game from the retirement home!

[@orelo437]

Can't wait to play it from shelter during WW3 nuclear fallout

[@3DragonBZ]

Same here but now I’m glad it’s taking long because as a stay at home dad I won’t have time to play until they get older lol

[@Takrenna]

i was also 29, and have been logged in fairly often since they released the hangar module, had tons of fun since 2014-2015, and still enjoy playing, also 40 years old

[@mcbrite]

You'll write a similar comment at age 51... Or Microsoft has taken over in the meantime and you'll be playing the game... One of the two...

[@TheDontletmedie]

bro, its ALWAYS 2 years away. In 2026 we will be told: "just two more years". And the cycle will continue

[@Kasperthedancer]

Call cpt. Shepard. We have money reapers invasion. AgAiN

[@ToastedLobster]

To be fair you can actually see everything get fleshed out. It's a VERY different game from what it was in 2016

[@Pr1zzm]

Nah it's in polishing phase. I think the 2026 date is actually going to happen this time

[@Trutadruida]

You gotta take the current context of things into consideration, the game finds itself in a much better place now, 2016 game was facing a recent engine migration, lower headcount and so on Now we have 900+ devs, pretty clear path going into 1.0 and Squadron 42 launch with many tools to work with (including the upcoming Genesis). The future looks way more promising

[@pieppy6058]

i think its worth the £34 i paid for it

[@Pepperminto_3]

I only spend 45$ on Star Citizen and I have a great time playing it. Start delivering some packages, do some bounty, get some money to rent an ROC and Cutlass Black to go, Minning, save enough money to Get a Prospector, Get in touch with Mining Org. Sell player Quntanium location, Save money Enough to buy a Harbinger, Do VHRT Bounty, Visit Invictus Expo, and get to fly 890 Jump with 10 strangers who I just met in the Expo. It has a lot of issues, game-breaking bugs sometimes and the whole paying real-world money for in-game ship Insurance is weird but I say I've had fun with it for the whole 1-2 months, and For 45$ which is less for some AAA games that I far less enjoy playing. With all this I do hope It got released and everyone got to have the experience like I have

[@shock226]

Tbf the “spending real money” bit doesn’t hold solid value. Sure you can do that to get a head start in terms of missions but you can also get that ship through grinding to

[@miltonova9512]

is the game actually fun? like is there actually a story or do you just do whatever, bounties and trading, is that NPC stuff or real people?

[@kityhawk2000]

@@miltonova9512 some quests have a narrative to them and mutiple parts but the main narrative story is S42

[@NukeMyHouse]

@@miltonova9512 IMO right now it takes a certain kind of gamer for it to be fun, as you kind of have to find your own fun. There isn't really much of an actual goal aside from earning money to buy ships, and even then, the occasional database wipe/hiccup can undo some of that progress. *I* personally find it fun. The seamless traversal keeps me grounded and immersed in the game world as I go from place to place to do different contracts. Part of CitCon 2024 was addressing the *motivation* of players to play the game, and talking about giving players more goals and more reasons to do things, so I'm happy for that.

[@nathsabari97]

no steam no buy

[@WretchedIcon]

I got Star Citizen a few months ago. Made my way through and learned the basics. Once I got everything ready to go, I set out to a planet that was a hotspot for resources and weapons. I get there, lay down on ship’s bed, logged out to use the restroom, logged in, and my ship fell through the planet with me inside, glitched out, died, had to replace my ship, attempted again, collected the resources, got back to my ship, and as soon as I closed the bay doors, the ship fell through the planet again. I died, lost everything, haven’t played since. I can’t even do the most basic stuff in this game without it falling apart and punishing me for it. I don’t want to repeat the same mission tens of times for hours at a time, just in the hopes that the proper sequence transpired for the program to be happy and allow me to progress.

[@kaleb5926]

I play it a couple times a year for the past like 3 years. This happens for sure lmao but id say i still got my moneys worth and will continue to do so cause the game just looks so damn good

[@nickohhh]

damn 🤨

[@SpartanArmy117]

So this stuff still happens lol. Glad I haven't touched it in like 4 years.

[@phoenixsui]

Lol i play hour and hours and i cant even remember when that last happend to me.

[@kaleb5926]

@@SpartanArmy117 Its extremely varied. Some people havent had this in a year and it happens consistently to some. You just gotta check

[@found6393]

That Squadron 42 release date started me thinking... CIG began developing Star Citizen in 2011. SpaceX began developing Starship in 2012. CIG has announced SQ42 releasing in 2026. SpaceX announced Starships to Mars in 2026, during the next transfer window. This means people on Mars as early as 2029. (More likely, 2031 or so.) So I made a bet with myself. Starships en route to Mars before Squadron 42 is released. Humans on Mars before full release of Star Citizen. I have a friend who's put money into SC, and he refused to take either bet, lol.

[@odonovan]

@found6393, SC started development in 2013. The initial Kickstarter was in October of 2012.

[@AndresColumbus]

too bad for you because both are fake

[@kahleeb624]

Lmao if you believe that they will be launching a full human crewed mission to mars by 2026 then wow, you need to touch some grass... They have only JUST been able to catch a rocket with the idiotic chopsticks. They have somewhat of the shell of a rocket and nothing else... there is no design or architecture for the interior where the astronaughts would have to live for months on end. They have done NO human trials of what that much time is zero G would even do to a human body. Starship has NO ABORT method which will mean they will never be able to fly NASA astronaughts which means having to train your own astronaughts. Then there is the simply fact that it's literally less than 2 months from 2025.... they haven't even finalized or began building the totally stupid and insane "elevator." Sorry dood but Elon isn't a god. He's just another rich kid that used his daddies money to sue and buy his way into everything and everything he has tried to do with his own brain has failed. Starship may one day go to mars but the first ship there and a few after will be with no humans aboard. Then maybe within a decade they'll start planning a real manned mission to mars but absolutely not with the next 2 years....

[@philipduttonlescorlett]

SpaceX has invested approximately $5 billion into the development of its Starship vehicle and associated launch infrastructure. This includes spending on rocket designs, the development of its Super Heavy booster, and the construction of facilities at Boca Chica, Texas. A significant portion of this investment has been recent, with around $2 billion allocated in 2023 alone to accelerate development and testing. When you consider that the game has spent nearly a fifth of that... It is not that impressive! Musk should have done the game instead haha

[@JazerMedia]

The first hour of Squadron 42 was enthralling. It's epic space military combat and echoes games like Halo but in a new exciting way.

[@MrImmortal709]

All it did was show that Chris ROberts rather would make another movie than a game, the writing was meh, the action was good and the gameplay was dogshit.

[@leonudl]

@@MrImmortal709 it was the prologue + tutorial so of course it's not going to be incredible gameplay yet

[@RobCoxxy]

@@MrImmortal709 The first hour of Mass Effect 2 is cutscenes and the most basic gameplay you've ever seen. That's usually how the start of a game works.

[@intothevoid2046]

With equally mediocre writing, full of stereotypes and cliches that weren't interesting anymore ten years ago already....

[@imviciously]

@@MrImmortal709 prologue + tutorial not being an epic peak action gameplay? NO WAY!

[@Yuuki-SJ]

Star Citizen is a game I enjoyed playing nonstop for 6 months. Gets stale after awhile but its a game i come back periodically. Its crazy the amount of shit you can interact with and how space travel feels so great. Downside is its graphically intesive so you need a decent pc. Their update last year though helped give people more frames with their new tech which i cant remember the name. It loads persistent item systematically and uses the engine to generate. It really improved my fps Edit: Dont go into this game expecting it to be a star wars action esque game but as a space simulator.

[@geerstyresoil3136]

I run the Vulkan renderer with frame generation and I see fps around 100-200 fps depending on the scene. This is on a 7900XTX with a 5800X3D

[@JC-Alan]

@@geerstyresoil3136 Yes TBH with a good CPU peformance is not bad now. It still gets crazy in areas with TONS of entities or effects such as the clouds on Orison, but there are genuinely no other games that feature anything like those things I just mentioned. Orison is a literal gas giant that you can fly all the way around, with a floating city. The middling performance is to be expected.

[@JahonCross]

Yup, a space simulator...fun...😅

[@MaciekRodriguez]

@@JahonCross the issue being?

[@JahonCross]

@@MaciekRodriguez It's boring.

[@blackeagle_138]

Hey I just want to clear up a few things about wipes, SC does NOT have regular/frequent FULL database wipes any more. However, there ARE partial data wipes, but rarely do they include in game purchased ships, weapons, armor, components, etc (things that are expensive). Back in the pre 3.0 days, SC had frequent full wipes because there was no way for the game data to persist between updates. The last full wipe was for 3.18 because it introduced full persistence which was a complete overhaul of their backend database, they prefer for player data to persist now between updates as it is important data for them to have on player activity. If there is a need to reset some of the player account data, CIG will let players know in advance what will be affected. Most recently we had a reputation resent because they overhauled the reputation system, and the new and old systems had completely different styles of progression. In extreme cases CIG has the ability to select what player data they want to reset i.e. Money, Items, Reputation, etc either game wide or on an account by account bases. For example, there have been a few money exploits recently where players were duping resources and making millions within an hour, CIG was able to ban the most egregious offenders and reset the money balance for others they knew were exploiting as well as remove anything they purchased in game using the exploits. Those of us who did not use the exploits were unaffected by the resets. I have several ships that I purchased in game about a year ago that have persisted. Several I purchased just because I knew a money wipe was coming the following patch, but I also wanted to test if there persistence tech was working as advertised. Since then I've had one ship that was accidentally wiped but was able to get it back after I alerted customer service. that was over 6 months ago now and I have not had any issues since.

[@peternitti3671]

This is good to hear. The regular server wipes that delete ships/weapons/gear/etc that you bought through grinding in game currency has kept me away from this game. I'm now seriously considering giving it a shot.

[@Icerz.]

@@peternitti3671 Keep in mind there may (or may not) be more wipes coming with server meshing and economy stuff, but they really try not to. It's not a set schedule either. If they need to wipe to successfully add new tech/keep the economy in place, then that is what they'll do.

[@blackeagle_138]

​@@peternitti3671 As a active player I still caution against joining whilst this game is in alpha. There is still a great deal of instability and bugs that drive me crazy. It's best to watch streamers and gauge if you think you'll be able to enjoy the experience.

[@jameshanna8762]

Yeah the wipes are only a thing during development. Once the game goes live, and we are no longer playing in Alpha, the credits and ships you grind will persist. Anyone playing the Alpha version will have to acknowledge the fact that they know they are helping provide data for the devs, and the database is subject to partial or complete wipes. None of the items/credits acquired through gameplay, prior to official release, should be expected to carry over to the final release version. I fully expect everything to get one final total wipe right before the official release of the final product. As for paying to excel, buying a bigger ship doesn't really do anyone any good, unless they can crew the ship. Take the Carrack, as an example. Sure, a single player can fly the ship around, but while they are flying, they can't do anything else, including firing any of the guns. You are just a big defenseless target without a sizable crew manning the ship. All they really accomplished was to help fund the game development for everyone.

[@Gafferman]

@@blackeagle_138 won't there be a 1.0 reset when the game is officially released though? So if it's available to all then people can finally know it's time to jump in?

[@BalokLives]

Luke, the location for Citizencon rotates every year to each of the different CIG locations. From what I remember the location next year is Austin, TX, then Germany, Then Los Angeles, Then UK again. They also have a new location in Toronto, so there's a chance they may have one there one of these years. Just an FYI.

[@LuketheGoon]

My friends and I used to get together and have LAN parties back in high school. It was awesome. Years later we would get together and have little get togethers with all our PCs again. This was about 10 years ago. I remember back then our friend worrying about upgrading his PC to be able to handle Star Citizen. It cracks me up. I think back then the only thing that was available was the hangar demo. 😅

[@aledantih6524]

A slow paced story is honestly fine if the atmosphere is there and it definitely looks to full of it so that's good to see. Also if that's Mark Strong I spotted the casting guys know what they're doing.

[@Warsheep2k6]

mark strong, mark hamil, cavil, gary oldman i could go on for 10 minutes and you would recognize all these names... and the best part is some of them are doing it for the heck of it no payment whatsoever

[@Ashbrash1998]

I believe they had the misplaced and casted a whole bunch of actors like YEARS ago

[@bongwaterbojack]

"We'll stop selling ships when the game is done" is a very easy promise to keep. After all, it's entirely up to them when it's 'done.'

[@AnymMusic]

Whilst true, they also have to consider the launch, and obviously their already dubious general public perception. Once a full release comes out, I would reckon that at the very least ship pricing would drop drastically, with most of their income coming from leasing/selling the tools they've made

[@bongwaterbojack]

@@AnymMusic You can say "dubious" perception all you want. They've raised over $700 million while delivering some promises and missing many many others. At this point, nothing is likely to stop em. People just keep dumping more and more in with every single ship that's released. There is zero incentive to stop.

[@austin962]

They would have no issue transitioning to a cosmetics-based monetization strategy at that point, but it could go either way

[@bongwaterbojack]

@@austin962 I could see that. But they could also do both like they already are.

[@festersmith8352]

I have yet to hear anyone come up with a better way to fund this project past release, in order to cover costs of servers, and the continued dev of the project. As we players keep hoping and asking for more content. Blame CIG for feature creep, then look at the massive amount of requests for content we players keep making on a daily basis. Irony!?! If we want it, we can have it, with enough money and time. But where is that money gonna come from. Big corpo investors could be a good source I suppose. The current funding model has never forced a player to spend more. Its always been by choice. Come up with another way that will allow that. Rockstar does cash for credits, and I hear they make in a year what CIG has made since SC started dev. But I also here the players complaining about that option. Again, come up with a better way that no one will complain about, even though they are never forced to spend. Ship sales will continue after release. And those that don't have the free time to play it takes to earn a ship will be the ones buying them. We should be grateful for those that can, who choose to give money to this project, instead of the disdain that is so common. I sense envy often. If it wasn't for them, this project would never be possible. The first time in my lengthy life the more fortunate have ever invested in something I want to see happen. How is that other similar project going, that "released" in 2014, and forced its players to buy expansions in order to play with the promised content? Much of the long ago promised content still missing, and will officially never come to be. I hear selling ships is there new way to fund the "released" game.

[@KSerge83]

Thanks for giving the game a fair perspective, Luke. I bought the minimum game package that included the same Aurora ship you flew in this video, Star Citizen, and Squadron 42 for $65 back in 2015, and the only money I've spent since was another $40 to upgrade my starter to a Gladius in 2017. Rest assured that nobody is as upset about how long SC and SQ42 has taken than the actual backers of the game, so for anyone complaining about how long it's taken, I agree 100%. As for the monetization, I agree that the ship pledges and their prices are obscene, which is why I haven't bought any outside of what I mentioned above. For that investment, I have already enjoyed hundreds of hours of gameplay (and have hated hundreds more when bugs occurred), and have no plans on giving CIG anymore money not because I can't, but because for me part of the fun is earning those ships to fly them. In the long term I agree they likely won't stop selling ships, but I also feel like when we get to 1.0 those ship prices will drop or they just won't sell. To hopefully help put the $730 million headline in perspective: - with over 5.3 million game accounts, assuming every one of them has the bare minimum aurora + SC game package ($45) that alone makes up $250 million of the revenue they've made, so more than 1/3 of the game's revenue over 12 years came from just people buying the base game offering. The whales absolutely exist but you don't really need that much money per person to get to $700 million. - Genshin Impact made $930 million in revenue for 2023. That's just one year to CIG's 12 years. - Concord cost $400 million to make and is literally gone, cannot be played. - CIG employees over 500 developers. If we lowball their average salary at $75,000 a year, then pay that for 10 years (they didn't have all these people when they started) that works out to over 380 million just to pay their developers over that time frame. This is JUST to cover the developers, not the writers, composers, actors, mocap studios, none of that stuff. I shouldn't need to say this but game dev is expensive.

[@kwisatzhaderach1458]

They are running out of money

[@or10nsharkfin]

They no longer wipe AUEC hangars unless something really messed up on the back-end. Generally the ships that you pay for in-game will be kept between wipes, as well.

[@francisthapotato4029]

Just make sure they’re not destroyed, hangaring your ships before a patch as always 😂

[@aarontopping868]

I spent nothing on Star Citizen, but I watched the full hour of Squadron 42 and what I was most impressed with is that the narrative is actually pretty solid. I have been semi-amused over the years, but I was convinced that they were going to throw all this money at the game, then it was going to be ultra cheesy as hell or something. Nope, that prologue for the game was absolutely amazing. I can't wait to play the full version of the single-player game whenever it releases. It is top tier amazing. Really impressed. I only play single player games.

[@dmitrit.4862]

Release is scheduled for 2026 but it is not clear when exactly. Probably around October. Wouldn't be surprised if they release it at the CitizenCon 2026.

[@Inar038]

I can understand and not understand your position. as I only play multiplayer games and just cannot understand the single player appeal. I guess to each his own.

[@aarontopping868]

@@Inar038 When you get a busy life, kids, career, hobby changes, and so on, you just have less time commitment for things. Online gaming basically requires time commitment to grind, to gain skills, and it often resets season after season. Single player gaming I can put in 15 minutes here, 30 minutes there. Take 2 weeks off and come back to same point I was for an hour or two. Low expectation. No need to worry about clans or guilds, activity, attendance. No need to deal with other humans, just straight gaming. I have nothing against multiplayet gaming, but as my time gets limited with life, I enjoy shorter time session that pack more punch in. Single player story narratives are great for people like me.

[@beng7845]

I thought the dialogue was also pretty darn good, they've got some quality cast on board. Took me back to the Wing Commander games Roberts created the genre. Yes it was only the prologue so gameplay was quite slow. I was a bit worried as s42 developed as I really didn't want another fps but I can understand the need particularly to explain the narrative and add the feeling of being part of a crew on a space carrier. I'm from the age where you bought a game and that was it, no need for a persistent Internet connection. No micro transactions, no sleezy gatcha chests so I'm not really sold on SC as it just seems to similar to elite dangerous or eve online. I want S42 to be a success but the jury will be out in 2026 when it actually ships..

[@essentialasa]

They are really trying not to wipe anymore. Also once you know what to do, "grinding" ships is super easy (for now). I've talked to a few people who reach 10 million in a week or two. The hardest part is being new and not knowing how easy it is to get money.

[@CrispyMuffin2]

I remember one of my friends got 30 million right off the bat cause he said a joke in chat ans a rich fella really liked it xD

[@TheTeucer6]

@@CrispyMuffin2 Not to encourage begging in game chat, but lots of experienced players end up with more money than they know what to do with and are happy to help out new players financially or let them test drive bigger ships. The sheer awe of a new player seeing a massive ship up close for the first time is part of the fun lol

[@balzarinemythus50]

HRTs are head and shoulders above basically every other type of money making gameplay and it's almost certainly going to get nerfed at some point. Last time I ran them with a five man group for 7 hours straight, we all walked away with 10 million credits.

[@idkusername2795]

i was surprised about the low prices after just one week of playing, and even with the new balanced prices i think its still a bit cheap. But i guess they don't want to make it too much of a grind for the more casual players.

[@santiagosanzfeliu8095]

I got 35 million in a few hours by bounty hunting and selling the goods I found in the hunted ships. Not sure if in this version is possible but that were fun times.

[@imba6601]

27:12 wasn't an 890jump, that was a 400i. Although similar in design language, the 890j is much larger.

[@LostTerminalVideos]

Just a heads up, the server wipes actually very rarely happen anymore, and when they do, they only wipe what they have to. I've still got the same ships I bought in-game about a year ago now

[@Unknown-ek1ox]

I'm kinda amazed because I still have that salvaged / 'found' Crusader Security Elite armor which was at some point harder to obtain via legal ways anyway. The last armor set I got almost 2 years ago or so. I'm still carrying it in storage. I think they might wipe with 4.0 (pre-release version 4.0, not to be confused with the 1.0, for any 'outsiders' reading this, basically 4.0 will come before 1.0) again next time. If we jump to the conclusion that 2026 will indeed be SQ42 release and if we assume that 1.0 might be deployed some time around or shortly-ish before 2030, and seeing how the last full wipe of gear and money and so on was like ... 2 years ago(?) then I assume we might only see about... 2-3 more full wipes? Give or take? But as the rough joke goes, the amount of wipes to come will always be at least 1 ... until that 1.0 version.

[@buggy6737]

I still have my 890 I bought from last year. Rarely use it but it's still cool to have.

[@Eraser18574]

They promised Freelancer 2 in a persistent universe with 100 starsystems and NPCs driving the universe and story. They now aim to deliver a survival sandbox that is player driven with 5 starsystems. Definitely NOT what people paid over 700 millions for.

[@QuRareLugene]

I'm from Korea, and I've spent 705 USD on Star Citizen. It still got no official Korean translation. Some says that Star Citizen is a scam. They also point out that some officials in CIG already done some scams. However, What I've seen until now since I first played Star Citizen, This is what I think : Even if this is a scam, it still worth all my money. Also, I think CEO of CIG is kinda daydreamer. Dreamer, who dreams and pursuit rainbow. But, I don't think chasing rainbow is all bad thing. So, I decided. I want to join chasing rainbow. How long for Star Citizen 1.0 to come out to take, well, I don't give a shit. Oneday, they'll catch rainbow. With all development they've done so far, Oneday. I know that they will do it.

[@Ficohaker]

Actually a good description of the game and the company :D I do love the rainbow chasing myself, but I feel weird watching citizencon and people clapping at basic systems that existed in other games 20 years ago. Personally I did pledge to the game as well, I hope one day I will be able to experience the entire game

[@Humanaut.]

@@Ficohaker wdym exactly? Are you saying that no tech developed by CIG is actually new/different/groundbreaking? I'm not a tech (backend) person myself so I can't judge, but server meshing seems pretty unique and their grand-scale tech is maybe rivaled by slight simulator? But even then flight sim is less in depth in terms of layered topography (from ground to space and beyond).

[@Ficohaker]

​@@Humanaut. Hi, I will start by saying I do consider the scale of the tech they are doing is cool and not done before. But, server meshing has existed on smaller scales in a lot of previous videogames, from minecraft servers to ark survival evolved and probably a few others I am personally unfamiliar with. On the topic of ground scale tech, its pretty similar to no man sky, or any other generative system for a planet. Bethesda's starfield did the tech, but that was so bad it made the entire planets boring and uninteresting. So while I adore the scale of star citizen, it is not "new" nor is it interesting thus far until we have proper gameplay to judge the entire systems working together. Until then it is all a tech demo and a lot of other studios did entire engines and multiple games in the same span for CiG to do a tech demo. But I understand CiG had to do a lot of engine rebuilds and changes that threw their timeline from 5-10 years, to 15-20, which is pretty similar to what happened to some other well know games(hytale and one more that I can't recall right now) that just scaled too far and realised what they have isn't going to support their game and vision not only on launch, but thinking 10+ years into the future, hence why we get such insane delays on games. What I was more targeting in my comment was the social features and base building. None of those were anything ground breaking, nor would they even be considered the best in their respective game genres. Sure they might be the prettiest, but that graphical fidelity is only in engine, and when you have to scale the tech and the game to actual playable state, you lose so much that the game simply cannot look that nice, or you have to sacrifice something else because server meshing isn't jesus tech, and they would have to rely on 100's of shards (different servers/instances of WoW or any other MMo you probably played in the past) that the scale and beauty of it defeats the purpose of the world being such a lovely vast and open space. And that is why I think even CiG doesn't know what they want, or how to make the game and why it is taking so bloody long. SQ42 might be their good grace play here, a singleplayer game that promises everything for everyone, and then when they end up releasing SC 1.0 the community and the company will not crash and burn, but if you ask me they are bloated and overstaffed as it is, and are burning way too much cash for the amount of product they released. Hope this long comment answers your questions you had

[@tccscott86]

I like the way you’ve phrased this. Some people won’t understand but chasing rainbows for 9 years has brought me a lot of joy and entertainment.

[@hoen2009]

just play it in english, i am dutch and honestly i never expect a dutch translation of the game. There are hardly any games with dutch translations.

[@RandomRoger]

Luke, I think they don't want to release in 2025 because GTA 6 will be releasing next year. I don't think any studio wants to be anywhere close to that release. I can't remember the details but any ships purchased with real world money will automatically have some type of insurance. I forgot what level of it it is though. Also, they don't delete your in-game ships very often anymore with new patches. Any earned money and consumables will be gone. Two of the Starlancer various variants will be available next month in November in the in-game IAE event. As far as real money purchases, I buy ships with my money because I work 12 hours a day Monday through Friday and I don't have time to grind for the ships I want. I literally have a few hours on Saturday and Sunday to play if at all. I buy cool ships but that does not help me because I still suck at the game. I have a high-end heavy fighter but I continually get my ass handed to me in combat. I spent $230 on that ship. But I love it. It doesn't help me win anything lol. I just don't want do we have to grind for it if they do do a wipe and take the in-game ships with the wipe. Plus some ships are limited time sales so yeah I'm a victim of fomo on occasion. But Star Citizen is my only vice.

[@Tokru86]

Who cares for the release of GTA VI? There aren't even remotely as many people waiting for Star Citizen as for GTA. Even if Star Citizen ever releases (hint: it won't), it will not even be in the top 10 sales of that year. Regardless of what else releases. It's just not a genre that many people want to play. Get real guys. Nobody who isn't already invested in Star Citizen will be in the future.

[@AnymMusic]

@@Tokru86 "There aren't even remotely as many people waiting for Star Citizen as for GTA" yes, that is literally why you DON'T want to launch against such an utter fcking behemoth. Your launch numbers matter a lot for success perception, and so you don't want, say, half of the people who would be interested in SQ42, be hooked in by GTA VI around the same time.

[@coldshock5181]

​@@Tokru86Wym lol star citizen is one of the most anticipated games ... when it releases. It's a joke right now and everyone knows if, but once the full thing comes out and the features/stability are there, this will easily be one of the biggest games ever

[@festersmith8352]

Couldn't have said it better myself. I too worked 70 hours a week, and made good money. So I applied that money to my hobbies and interests. SC being one of them for the same reason you did. I did however recently retire unplanned, and now find myself struggling for a goal to reach in game. So do be careful. One day you may not be working as much. Hooray for base and station building. New goal set to do, just because I can. The really good fighter pilots will honestly tell you, skill wins in a ship almost every time. Like you, I get wrecked a lot in ships so many claim to be good. And often by much smaller and less formidable ships. So those pilots say knowledge and practice practice. But practice takes time, and I really don't like combat gameplay in most games. So I don't like practice. Thankfully I can spend hours even days in game and never have to fire a single shot. I have friends who gladly prevent or avenge my demise. That fomo is real isn't it. Give credit to CIG's marketing team, they do it well. There is some RDR2 content I missed because they used the same tactic. Don't see anyone criticizing them for it.

[@anshukandulna1844]

​@@coldshock5181still nowhere close to the anticipation of GTA 6

[@brunogagnon097]

For my part, and in a certain point of view, you are right and wrong at the same time. If Star Citizen it's a game people want to play as second life, enjoy the universe and so on, the pay to excel is not valid for that kind of player. In other hand because is pvp and pvp experience some will pay extra buck to get the upper hand. So I think it's a matter how do you perceive the experience of Star Citizen. I hope it makes sens in english, I'm from Québec and french is my native language. Good vid by the way, thank you.

[@earlofdoncaster5018]

If $730m sounds like a lot of money for a game, remember that Skull & Bones cost $100m more than that.

[@retroneer5824]

yeah and CIG has done revolutionary things with their funding compared to the hot garbage Ubisoft managed with their funding

[@nickohhh]

😲 seriously!?

[@torabe8172]

9x witcher 3.xd

[@BlackVampyr]

But, at least it wasn't "our" money. That's the big difference. Hopefully this game do comes out the alpha

[@----.__]

@@BlackVampyr You aren't forced to back, so unless you willingly backed this project then it isn't "your" money. If you did back then you did so willingly. What's the problem? I'd rather a crowd sourced game that ends up being amazing rather than a studio funding a game, taking 8 years, and ending up with Starfield lmao

[@af4237]

I have no issues with how pledging ships work. If you want to contribute to development, buy a ship. If you don't like the ship, you're able to melt it down and get a different one for the same value. I've used the same pledge to try out like 8 different ships over the years.

[@arenomusic]

This 100%. I use a Chrome extension to track my spending and my total store credit spend is negative because of this.

[@SMACKu2b]

I've been saying it for years. I can absolutely see this game being my dream tribute game to Cowboy Bebop. I can just picture it so easily, drifting in orbit of some random moon, anti-gravity floating in a cargo hold of my ship with the old school sax jazz playing.

[@justcheckingin2105]

Hell yeah! Pyro looks like a good setup for bounty hunting. Having a space radio station with different genres of music would be a good add. Could also have a good Star Wars space battle feel(played as Jango fett with my eclipse, hid behind an asteroid, turned off all power and basically hunted them with stealth.)

[@javannapoli2018]

41:10 to be completely fair with wipes, they aren't an intentional feature of the game like something with Tarkov or Rust, rather they are a symptom of the state of development that SC is in. Wipes are actually very infrequent these days and only occur with very major patches or if something goes very, very wrong. I last played Star Citizen February of this year, and I logged in yesterday and there has been no wipe in that time. There will likely be a wipe soonish, with patch 4.0, as that patch adds the second star system and will change the game massively. But Wipes these days are super infrequent, and CiG are working to make them even less infrequent until there is no longer any need for them at all once the game reaches the 1.0 release that they outlined at this citizencon.

[@jondspen]

And that's why I haven't played in 3-4 years. Can't deliver a product, and all the "gameplay" is a complete waste as soon as they wipe. 10 Fing years - people change their friends and financial circumstances and whole life every 10 years on average. 10 years ago you bought a $45 ship - now today you bought another for your 10 y/o son hoping one day you two will get to play together, but FYI, you still have another 2 years to wait per the "official" plan, and with history of RSI, you know they won't meet that deadline either.

[@julianjames2899]

Your points about in game economy being upset by real world purchases doesn’t really make sense in practice. EVE online has PLEX and Omega and tons of other games have premium subscription models that allow players to excel and make more money in game while still having extremely diverse and successful economies.

[@DomBogey94]

People complain about this game but it's literally $45.... You DONT have to spend thousands like some do lmao Yeah it has a long way to go, but oh well. Still a fun time

[@lpk822]

underrated comment

[@DomBogey94]

@lpk822 man, it just kills me. Like i get the frustration, they keep delaying shit, always excuses, alpha game is buggy as hell (even though is alpha) And people shit on their greedy marketing tactics I get it But again, don't have to spend thousands to enjoy the game $45 and patience, all you need. Just sit and enjoy the ride wherever it takes us lol Take care

[@festersmith8352]

Thats the key right there. No one is ever forced to spend more as they develop the way beyond original scope of the game. My friends who have spent "WAY" less than me in the same decade, are playing with "WAY" more than me, simply by playing the game different and/or more. But ED forced its players to by expansions of promised content. Content yet to be seen that was promised 12 years ago. Of the two projects, SC is the biggest scam of the gaming industry!?! I guess "released" gives immunity from such criticism. I could go on for quite a bit of the irony this project gets in criticism when comparing it to that game alone. And from that player base is insane irony. Much more if I include other projects. And ED recently started selling ships to continue funding. We should be grateful for those that can, who choose to give money to this project, instead of the disdain that is so common. I sense envy often. If it wasn't for them, this project would never be possible. The first time in my lengthy life the more fortunate have ever invested in something I want to see happen. The other option is for large corpo funding to keep the player cost low. Right?

[@AdamTechTips27]

Trueeee, I only spent 45usd into the game. but I have a big yacht now. we can get rich ingame pretty quick. no need to spend extra.

[@THISISLolesh]

730 Million lol

[@DamonCzanik]

They said they were feature complete. NOT content complete. In game development, feature complete means that all the core systems & mechanics needed for the game to function are implemented. For Squadron 42 (SQ42), this would include things like flight mechanics, AI behaviors, and core combat systems. Content complete, on the other hand, means all the assets and content like levels, story missions, voice acting, and visual details are fully integrated & polished. Big difference.

[@kwisatzhaderach1458]

It's been almost 15 years 😂

[@craign7033]

I mean, I agree the spending can get crazy but I don’t get it - for years I’ve been hearing about people buying DOTA skins, waifus, and ARPG skins or power to the same tune. You can buy nearly every ship in Star Citizen for less than it cost some people to max out their Diablo Immortal character’s gems.

[@Warsheep2k6]

the aurora has 3 scu of external storage you can fit big crates on it^^

[@xSubParSaucex]

I’d say 343 is the real Halo killer

[@AuraMaster_7]

They said it was feature complete last year, not content complete. That's actually a big difference. Feature complete means the mechanics of the game, all the features necessary to run through it are done. So, like, one example would be fire propagation and extinguishing. Content complete would mean that the game is *done* done. And that was not what they said.

[@brei2670]

They also said they're going into the polishing phase. You don't polish something that's not complete.

[@Punchdat222]

My guy trying to make excuses lmao. Trust me, I am a Star Citizen fan but I've been away since probably February/March... They contradict themselves a lot.

[@angelmelko]

Feature complete. Falls through planet.

[@Grimshak81]

@@angelmelko google what "feature complete" means. Protip: it does not mean polished.

[@lightworker2956]

Good point, but to be fair, "content complete" can mean anything from "great game already, we just want to add some cherries on top of the pie" to "not really enjoyable yet to play for the average gamer."

[@TheBot-kr3ui]

Any ships purchased on the store can not be lost, they have perma warranty one of the community managers came out and talked about it to clarify

[@wiegraffolles9822]

People cope that purchasing ships doesn't ultimately matter, but if that were true, nobody would buy them.

[@zawiszaczarny7876]

24:44 Buying ship is the most blunt p2w in the face, as in any mmo where you can buy armor or weapons. Buying advantage is pay2win, there is no other way arround this fact. The same as end game, no such thing exist in mmo games, you are simply talking about guild/clan activity. Im fed up pepole trying to make up new reality out of their asses of things that already exists for as long as mmo games. You can have nubs in your "playerbase", again making "endgame" argument absolutely ridicilous. This is not how such games works, it's about getting wealthy, powerfull and influencial in the community as any mmo game, it's about domination, again making buying staff, whenever it's cash, ship, modules a damn pay2win.

[@IWatchYouFromAfarOfficial]

By 2026 I might be able to afford a PC that will run Star Citizen properly. Looks pretty awesome though, doesn't it?

[@odonovan]

@IWatchYouFromAfarOfficial, I play SC with no problem, on a very mid-range PC, at 1080P. Just make sure you have a decent video card (doesn't have to be top of the line) and plenty of memory (32 GB or more is best). Make sure you run it off a SSD and not a hard drive. You should be fine.

[@UTubeRepossessions]

Wait until they migrate the entire game to a new engine in a couple of years, thus delaying the release again (until they wait for another new game engine to shift to)

[@MotherNature26]

14:41 yeah the date reveal was a little bit of a mood killer for some of us long time backers but there is a video out there on youtube that compares the hour long video this year to the tease released last year, and there is polishing on the visuals, to a crazy degree Since the quality was a 10/10 this year on those updates, I'm happy to wait to 2026

[@kityhawk2000]

I hope they improve the FPS combat. I'd like the fights with the Vanduul to be a lot more brutal and fast paced. We saw NPCs getting thrown around and detroyed by them but they seemed a bit passive when fighting the player

[@MotherNature26]

@@kityhawk2000 it was the prologue. The opening scene that creates the setting. I think all of the combat was dumbed down to make the prologue harder to fail as a player, so you could watch the movie. I highly suspect the subsequent chapters will drop that approach, and combat will be difficult

[@jondspen]

Oh, so they didn't rehash the same videos they have done in past Cons? At least they got one thing right - calling the event a Citizen CON!

[@KerboOnYT]

As a $60 Kickstarter backer from 2012 I don't get too wrapped up in the drama. It will be done when it's done and in the meantime I play once in a while. Nice video!

[@scully4life]

I've been vaguely aware of Star Citizen, since it's mentioned a lot, but I never looked into it myself. This video is blowing my mind. I'm now very excited about it. Glad I saved 11 years of waiting. Hopefully it won't be 11 more!

[@odonovan]

@scully4life, why were you waiting? You can get ingame currently, and play it every day.

[@scully4life]

@@odonovan I didn't know that. As I said, I was vaguely aware of the games existence. I went to check it out, but I don't want to pay that much for an unfinished game. This pay-to-win stuff has me a little concerned. I'll try it on a free fly week.

[@SebHargrave]

@@scully4lifeHonestly, its not really pay to win. The absurdly expensive ships just exist as a way for whales to make a massive donation to support the funding of the game. It is absolutely a better idea to buy the $45 pack and earn the money yourself ingame, its faster than working a real job to afford the pricing of ships (you can earn 1.5m per run trading illegal cargo, which would buy you the eqivalent of a $100 ship for maybe 20 minutes work, granted it takes a while to get to that point) , and is undoubtedly way more fun than just entering your card info and skipping loads of gameplay.

[@TheIkonik]

29:21 . This. This is what got me to spend $45 on this game. The idea, the dream of living among the stars as a Space Cowboy-esk Dude, the itch that Star Wars put into me and the itch that i wasn't able to scratch until i tried the game out. Now, i can't play it ofc, cos it's very, very laggy for me, but even that bit of gameplay i did get to enjoy, was exactly what i wanted out of a game such as this. The ability to fly around planets, land wherever, trade cargo, mine in space, do bounty hunting like a Fett, and such. The game is a buggy mess, but it sure is enjoyable when it clicks into the part of the brain that yearns for that Space Life.

[@GrimReaper_sGhost]

Love how Star Citizen fans can casually say something is glitchy but still years away from release while making it sound like almost a good thing.

[@adribier]

The mental gymnastics I see in every comment trying to excuse SC big problems are really something to behold

[@francisthapotato4029]

Absolutely glitchy, but it’s been fun, the ship flying is great, I’ve payed barely any money for it, as far as I’m concerned, its a good experience

[@BeSk9991]

@@adribier "haters" when 2026 release date but live demo would go perfectly - ITS A SCAM, see? It looks finished but they still say 2026!!!! "Haters" when 2026 release date and we see in live demo the game needs bugfixing and polishing - ITS A SCAM, SEE HOW UNPOLISHED IT IS? so idk... just by using logic - if it looks broken, yeah, it's better to fix it, than to release a buggy mess

[@jonh2798]

​@@BeSk99912026 release date? Yeah that'll get pushed back lmao

[@F0zek]

@@BeSk9991 "Answer the call 2016", but you are probably too young to remember that...

[@planetwally]

You put it well that SC is a hobby for many, it's less a game and more a passion that people fall in love with and spend their time and money on

[@jondspen]

Maybe - but that doesn't negate the obligation for RSI to release something to people who paid money and expect something for their investment. I bought in back in 2018, and was told then SQ42 was roadmap to release around 2020/21. Yet here we are at the end of 2024 and still waiting.....

[@acidstorm001]

10+ years of development time on this game. 2 more years, I may not even be alive to see this thing in it's full glory. I only bought the basic package when it was announced, and I'm glad I didn't get into buying all those ships. I hate how they monetized it and I think that's a HUGE reason why we are still waiting for this game to have a FULL release.

[@PPO_Michael]

This is the second Star Citizen review I’ve seen you do and I enjoy your content. I’d like to present an idea for you to consider. You sit in front of this game and all but fan-boy for the revolutionary advancements that Roberts and Cloud have made in this $730Mil endeavor, but you always circle back to disliking the “pay to fly cool ships”. Without this mechanic, there wouldn’t be the diversity of combatant class required to force advancements. I was a player back when the Hornet first came out, it was the big baddie on the block, running circles around the starter ships. It forced people to evolve their tactics, whether by banding together, improving their hardware or using an intelligent strategies to overcome the overwhelming superiority of the Hornet. Pay to fly cool ships, in reasonable quantities, creates both the need to evolve and the opportunity to steal said cool ships from the rich people that bought them. Don’t miss the chance to go full GTA on a players capital ship because you’re mad he bought it.

[@calebshotwell8514]

what game devs have completely underrated for years at this point is the importance of aesthetics and player investment into lore. Star Citizen is making a great choice here by investing their player base into a storyline of this magnitude and aesthetically its really cool.

[@nyassav5920]

As someone who has played Star Citizen I can say the gunplay is both punchy and clunky. It's on a case by case basis.

[@drakedge2000]

15:23 As a long time backer, I agree, it is frustrating. However, content creators like yourself and many others would DESTROY them if they released a buggy, unfinished, lackluster "AAA" bethesda like game. "They took 14 years for this?" and "850 MIllion dollars and this is what we get?" there would be no end to it. They can't afford to release a broken product.

[@red-merlin]

Agreed. Love the game in it's current state. Refuse to believe the game will never go gold...or beta even. Sure it might be when my grandchildren are getting married or have their own children lol. No lol, I'm positive that the game is getting close to finishing ya know. Cuz there's a lot to love in it's current state

[@ezoni8438]

Star Citizen is the Libertarian Tech Bro of the space sim community

[@matthewvelazquez2013]

I was 8 years old when crowdfunding was announced for this game. I'm 19 now. I have 3 masters degrees and I'm working on my Phd dissertation. I have six sons, one daughter, and a wife at home. I told my trust fund manager to invest in bitcoin when I was 4 years old. Thankfully, he listened...

[@evanred_]

Bigger ships = bigger costs of running, bigger insurance fees, fuel and repair costs, so in my opinion buying biger ships with real money will cost you more money in game

[@coldshock5181]

Sure but if you wanted a big ship that's months worth of grinding just skipped cause you pay for it

[@alex_panthea]

@@coldshock5181 You'll have a ship you can't use cause you'll need 5-10-20 people to run it. Just the fuel costs will prevent you from using it

[@coldshock5181]

@@alex_panthea What about when AI crews come out?

[@Shadowcam00]

@@alex_panthea CIG isn't going to stop people from paying their way into large ship combat. They'll sell NPC crew, AI-modules, and everything else necessary to keep the ships running. Paying to skip the grind is their core business.

[@Apav1x]

​@@Shadowcam00They just recently said NPC crews will not be in for 1.0, and AI blades will only be for turrets for now. So at release there will still be no way to properly solo a large ship.

[@distopiann0]

I personally have no problem with this not coming until 2026. With a game as absurdly massive as this, I would much rather they make sure everything is damn near perfect instead of it dropping a few months from now and it's a buggy mess with god awful performance.

[@desacrator1]

I got two weeks of gameplay this month, new player. Each of those days, couldn't wait to play it. There were bugs, but the scale and scope and level of detail and thought in the game is incredible! I could understand why its still in development. However, Thursday Oct 17th, approaching the atmosphere of a planet. Then the game just closed and the launcher started pushing update 3.24.2. i got back in, my ship was deleted, no one could use public transit and I got permanently disconnected. I have been unable to play the game since, with an error that says my character is in a specific server still and i need to wait a few minutes its been 6 days! Its so frustrating, I was hooked.

[@Tsuki-y7z]

People say the exact same thing about grinding 1000h in Korean mmos.

[@myrchantkobold8268]

Unlucky time to start. After crunch time devs are forced to take time off so it takes abit to debug. To make it worse 3.24.2 uses code that is very new to the game as a whole and will be more janky then usual. On the upside the patch will be very short lived before we goto 4.0 and the game changes a lot.

[@desacrator1]

​@@myrchantkobold8268 Yeah, def a rough time to start. But what I got to play, I can't wait to get back into it.

[@cedvelt]

Ask in spectrum for a solution or write a ticket to support. I am sure its easoly solvable

[@desacrator1]

@@cedvelt it's not, every opinion has been tried. This is a pure fk'up from the patch only solveable from a hotfix or patch

[@kwisatzhaderach1458]

Star Rangers, history repeats itself

[@ralaxgaming]

Luke unfortunately you skipped over the 1.0 discussion right to endgame. Detailing what they’re targeting for a launch version of the game for the first time is a very important topic and more tangible right now than endgame content. The video for this part of the presentation was just uploaded and it is called The Stars My Destination: Star Citizen 1.0. Edit: Spare me the “CIG doesn’t deliver” comments. Yeah, duh, we all know what they say and what actually happens are two different things. I’m not saying any different or defending them. I’m saying that if you’re going to talk CitizenCon then it’s important to talk about CIG outlining their plans for 1.0 because it’s the first time since the scope of the game massively increased that they have done that. For everyone following the project this was the most important part of the convention but most of the coverage is skipping over it.

[@MrImmortal709]

The important thing about 1.0 is how little of the game it will have in it, dozens of things still missing and NPC crew and advanced NPC behavior is not even on the list and already confirmed to be not a priority and getting worked on sometime after 1.0

[@ralaxgaming]

@@MrImmortal709Sure and that is the type of stuff that he would discuss if he watches it.

[@jondspen]

...because they have been so honest and on the mark with all their other timelines. Okay.....

[@ralaxgaming]

@@jondspen Again, something Luke would address in discussion. I’m not white knighting, I’m just saying that CIG outlining their intentions for 1.0 should be part of this discussion.

[@ralaxgaming]

@@jondspen For example, Star Citizen originally planned to launch with 100 star systems and now it’s 5. Don’t you guys think that is worthy of mentioning that is this discussion? That was my intention.

[@404fox9]

In starfield the distance between points of interest was a loading screen

[@staticneuron]

So much about this information always leaves me scratching my head about how much research goes into the subject before talking about it. Since so many brought up the issue with feature complete I would like to point out a couple of persistent misunderstandings surrounding SC. 1. SHIPS ARE NOT PROGRESSION!!! CIG has stated it before and they stated it again during Citcon. They consider reputation to be progression. That will allow you to get more credits to play sandbox how ever you want. The ships simply open up avenues to play, but larger ships are not "better" for you. They have cost associated with them to run. The most expensive ships in game take larger crews to run. If you are a Solo player, or if you play with one or two friends, you don't even "need" to get a larger ship that supports this. Also the server wipes are not intentional but related to tech. The plan for 1.0 as you implied you watched it, is to have insurance (recieve credits back) plans for ships you purchased in game and warranty (hull replacement) you can earn. 2. Monetization The desire to stop selling ships outside of starter ships and concepts, is Chris Roberts idea. And it is unlikely that is going to change. What can the sell other than ships though? EVERYTHING ELSE! Already in the store you can by in-game weapons, armor, paints, decoration, and flair. They tested a system in which you can have paid customization for ships (test run done with 300 series). They have not expanded it to every ship but due to how they plan the insurance system to work than they still should be able to bring in plenty of cash for the high number of items they can sell. 3. Most important bit - In game purchases and rentals This is glossed over often, but you are not really required to purchase a ship with real money to enjoy it. In game there are stores that sell the ships and kiosks that allow you to rent ship for a relatively small fee. You start game with aurora and think salvaging or mining is up your alley? Do a handful of basic missions and you will have enough to rent these ships which in turn allow you to make more credits, so you can either rent other ships to try or earn enough to purchase ships you want. Also the community is awesome so just asking in chat people will let you tour or fly a ship in question or group up to make some credits so you can get your desired ship. One of the worst things about seeing SC content is sometimes there is either a lack of information or misinformation that turns the discourse toxic. Of course when people that play or follow along try to explain they get labeled as cultist or trying to explain their "Ship Purchase". It is sad and somewhat telling when people get attacked for trying to clarify a lack of information or misinformation.

[@718Hokage]

The need for fans to write these essays defending their financial decisions is puzzling. One would expect devoted sci-fi enthusiasts to be more informed and rational.

[@Paisa231]

​@@718HokageExactly, they are more informed than you. Therefore he explains what Luke got wrong. No where did he defend his backing.

[@staticneuron]

@@Paisa231 Thank you. My fave part about his comment, is the fact that I called out that people were going to post such lame responses at the end and he proves me right. I swear the people who hate on this game are so predictable.

[@Apav1x]

​​​@@718Hokage Why do you assume clearing up misinformation is the same as defending the game. We just want you to have all the correct info so you can come to whatever conclusion about it yourself, not through some twisted recounting of it by a streamer who clearly hasn't done much research into the topic despite it being their job.

[@whamo_3]

@staticneuron I'm not going to fully agree with @718Hokage here, but I'm going to play devil's advocate as a fellow longtime backer who, while generally optimistic about the project, also agrees with a lot of the criticism that is levied (even when it is often in bad faith - though 718Hokage made no real argument which is always disappointing). I'll similarly go point by point here, and won't necessarily disagree with all the points you raise - but I really wanted to make a comment in general contention to your points because I feel most of your 'pointing out persistent misunderstandings' is biased/opinionated, and more interested in swaying people in favor of the project rather than being realistic and presenting primarily facts regarding the project (which is fine to do, but feels misrepresented by suggesting your opinions are factual by saying you are 'combating misunderstandings/misinformation). 1. Agreed with the progression plan as stated in the context of 1.0, but right now - ships are progression, and will be for the foreseeable future, due to the lack of other progression means. We still do not have a projected timeframe when crafting and reputation will come in game, and there are no meaningful money sinks beyond ships currently. Agreed that the server wipes are technical issues - but when it is the current primary progression loop in a paid alpha (antithetical to most alphas which invite testers and provide them with most assets in the game) where their main money maker is selling ships, it's worth criticizing at this time. To that point, I would say that right now larger ships are strictly 'better' if you are playing with friends for similar reasons - but still agreed in the context of 1.0 talk. 2. Agreed that the last we heard, ships will no longer be sold following the release of 1.0. With that said, while yes we can assume that will not change, it's not unreasonable for someone to feel it COULD change given the general number of changes in scope/expectations for the PU over the years. In fact, I feel the community's reaction to Lando's clarification on pledge store insurance is one of relief and satisfaction - with many in my org suggesting this means pledge ships are now effectively underpowered - and I believe this could easily lead to marketing feeling they can then continue selling ships in 1.0. We've had two ships and one rifle sold en masse in the last year alone which we were told would not be released until SQ42's release, and that would have to be earned by completing that game, for an example I feel is at least somewhat relevant. 3. Agreed you don't have to purchase ships with real money to enjoy them. Also agreed the community will generally be willing to take new players around - though new players can tend to not reach out for said help/guidance. I would say the recent economy changes to further enforce the current progression loop of acquiring ships as detailed in item 1 has skewed this against your overall point. You don't have to buy a ship with real money to enjoy it, but many of the ships are now quite a bit more difficult to obtain - and given the very broken state of this current patch (mostly server-side but still fair to point out), it gets that much more frustrating to make marginal gains towards a ship when it's a swipe away, and that FOMO which CIG is preying on is disappointing to see. I certainly agree it is frustrating that the general gaming public is still so aggressively against the project, given you and I have likely had any number of genuinely remarkable, unique and unforgettable experiences with friends in this game over the past few years - but I also think it is fair to meet people where they are and appreciate the perspective that this project has largely earned its reputation, regardless of the toxicity of discourse often had. A lot of the points I tried to raise were for the sake of trying to illustrate that a lot of Luke's criticism and points made in this video were largely contextualized in the current state of the project. I felt he was expressing wishes to see things change come 1.0 that were less to do with nuanced specifics about the game - but general concerns raised by a gamer who, while maybe not intimately familiar with the game, uses the information he does have to poke reasonable holes in what he's presented with, in a mostly charitable and respectful manner. You don't have to be an expert in something to criticize it, you just need to represent yourself as 'not a doctor' and be humble enough to also be open to being corrected. I think Luke did very well in this video, and didn't provide blatant misinformation as his feelings towards things that generally do happen/exist and are accurate in the current project, and fairly analyzed the 1.0 discussion with a critical and concerned lens. I do hope this finds you well and am open to correction or challenge on my thoughts as well - have a good one o7

[@Torsin2000]

It is what it is. Currently their model is based on crowd funding one way or another. If they can get the game to a state of release, then they can sell access to the game itself without a ship and sustain the servers and patches/etc through standard monthly/yearly subscriptions.

[@hvwkplays]

As a super miniscule gameplay note, around 35 minutes in you decide to fly down to the planets surface. In previous versions of the game, there was only one flight mode. They separated them now and the one you flew down in is much slower. You can hold B to switch between quantum and regular flight, then short press it to cycle through further options. Quantum flight allows you to fly about 4-5x faster than you did in this section :) Great video! I feel the same about most of what you said. I think if they ever do get rid of ship sales, they will replace it with a subscription cost to the game like every other MMO to cover costs, or offer a large number of microtransactions. Who's to say 🤷‍♂

[@Viper-dz2kw]

I only just recently bought into the game after a friend begged me to get it. I was highly skeptical about it being more then essentially an interactive tech demo for a couple planets and ships. I stand very corrected. The technology on display even at the game’s current state is mind boggling, the level of detail and handcrafted elements of entire planets is almost incomprehensible.

[@GrimGatsby]

And only gets better and more in depth every year. In that last year alone we got a crazy amount of content and updates.

[@Onticly]

@@GrimGatsby That only continues to break the game! XD

[@GrimGatsby]

@@Onticly can't make an omlette without breaking a few eggs.

[@sweeney_bot1104]

Quick remark: the game ISN'T playable. At least by normal people standarts.

[@sevenaces7965]

Adding to that, the game isnt a game! Not by normal people's standards.

[@Citizen_Tippetarius]

As someone who likes the game and the project, I agree with both these statements, and I feel a lot of people in the SC community would too. It's an amazing piece of tech that you absolutely can have a lot of fun in if you're a certain type of person, but if you're not a masochistic psychopath it's going to be a hard pass for most people lmao.

[@Praetoreon]

If anyone is looking at trying it right now, please wait a couple days. The current patch is a hot mess and I really would hate for this patch to be your first experience. I think a hot fix is coming tomorrow. o7

[@jondspen]

Good to know - started playing in 2018 (which was 1/2 playable). Then pirates/cops on you as soon as you left PO - broke game. Falling through elevators in Grim. Xeno was fun but horrible. You need(ed?) a super computer to play and render - and you comment clues me in nothing has changed - still a buggy POS 10+ years later.

[@balzarinemythus50]

@@jondspen The most significant issue today is server stability, plain and simple. When the servers are working well SC today is more stable than it has ever been. Right before this most current patch dropped I played in a three man basically all day long. Not a single crash, not a single 30k, not a single game breaking bug. I haven't fallen through an elevator in years. To say the game has made no progress is grossly disingenuous. They should have made way, WAY more progress than they have, but they've come a long way from 2018. They have been abysmally slow to develop this game either way, and splitting focus between SC and SC42 to me was an unacceptable decision.

[@jondspen]

@@balzarinemythus50 I always had better performance on AUS server than any other - US server was rocking at like 3am - but any other time not so great. Try 5pm on a Sat night - forget about it. Xeno wasn't bad (late 2021 if I remember), but I think we (TEST) broke the server ramming 890s into the Bengal trying to get it out of the base area...lol. And I agree....SQ42 should and could have been released a LONG time ago. You don't need server meshing and shards for a single player game.

[@Ventira_Aqanin]

One thing that I should point out in your video, is that on your 'descent' to Arial, you were in SCM-Gun mode instead of NAV-FLT, which means your maximum speed was like 1/10th of what it could be, which is a fair mistake for someone who checks in every so often. A recent patch introduced Master Modes to the game, with SCM-Standard Combat Mode, being much lower in top-speed compared to NAV-Flight mode, which cannot actively use its weapons (or shields) in exchange for much higher top speed. Also wipes rarely happen these days, there was like a two-year gap between wipes, and because of how wipes now work, they RARELY wipe your in-game cash, to the point I can't even remember the last time they did so, which means you can just re-buy the ship even if they have to wipe player-ship-ownership for some reason.

[@jakel2837]

Given his history, I dont see Chris Roberts ever truly finishing this. They'll add new stuff as long as they keep getting money, but the man is a perfectionist. None of his games have come out without outsode forces making him consider them complete

[@menalgharbwalsharq648]

I have no idea if all the money thrown into this game is worth what it is as of today, but this journey sure is something I would not eexpect to see actually happening I may even finally join the community and give my contribution, whatever it goes to

[@Paisa231]

It's soon a new Free Fly event, so you can test the current alpha before you make a decision :)

[@kityhawk2000]

Yes try out one of the free events, but you don't have to be a backer if you don't want to. You would always have the option to buy the game when it releases proper

[@jondspen]

Ehhh....it's only $45...but if you're cool with setting $45 on fire (i.e. spend the money and not expect anything substantial) I would say do it. It's a kinda fun cluster F alpha - if that what you expect for 45 bucks, you won't be disappointed. If you bought in back in 2018 and expected them to somewhat follow a roadmap and be playing SQ 42 in 7 years - you are going to be VERY VERY VERY disappointed.

[@Ssalamanderr]

dont give these liars money, come on now

[@Grimshak81]

Try the international Aerospace exhibition (IAE) end of November, its free for two weeks and you can simply see yourself. Just ask in chat, veteran backers are used to help players who just want to sniff a bit the feeling.

[@ataraxiauk]

This is one of the most rounded takes on the game I have seen to be perfectly honest. I am a few thousand dollars in to it over the last 12 years so I have a fair few ships. It has to be said though that the ships you get are just rewards for supporting the development of the game. If the project as a whole fails I will be sad, but I have put money into the game because I believe in the vision, and damn, it's looking great right now.

[@actionms8566]

Your's seems to be a very healthy way to look at this. I just bought the base package in 2016, but I can understand why people like to support the development with more. After all, this *could* become the greatest experience for sci fi lovers to ever exist. I do understand some of the criticism though and CIG is by no means perfect. But the latest AAA-catastrophes have shown game development to be a chaotic business and tanking ridiculous amounts of money in development on things that will never see the light of the final product is to some extend unavoidable. I don't think there exists any other way to make a game like star citizen than the one CIG has taken.

[@elibrainless90]

Putting thousands of dollars in a game is kinda pathetic tbh

[@ctzn3lack]

Tbh, people do it all the time with other hobbies or subscriptions over a decade. It just looks bad out of context and because of assumed P2W.

[@ironwarr]

@@elibrainless90 what he does with his money is not your concern, it's literally a hobby like any other.

[@F0zek]

Sunk cost fallacy, you are surely not biased... Btw the vision doesn't mean anything chris changes that vision every other week lmao, how many times I seen star citizen defenders say that everything can change because that is development. And game doesn't even have enough features to call it close to original vision.

[@GymShu69]

I’m confused. 700 million dollars. This is no better than No Man’s Sky and they had like 8 people, and almost no budget. No way they will stop selling ships either. So the entire idea is dead in the water. We already live everyday in a rich guy wins scenario. The reason these games appeal to most people is you want to escape that and have a chance.

[@HK94]

I came in to SC as I have been a fan of Cris Roberts and a die hard Single player, fell in love with project, then we got the PU and now I'm playing with around 20 people all the time since we got access to the PU. It had it's Ups and Downs, but this is the game I always wanted so I'm optimistic, even tho it take more time. lol

[@PuissantPeacock]

I get it, he has some issues too but I'm getting the idea that the "concerns" Derrick Smart brought up about Roberts way back at the start, not being able to "finish a game"...eh hem! ...are starting to make me take pause. I know I know, Roberts is "making a AAA, can never be topped, is more awesomer than anything ever made game" and give us an epic gaming experience. But I can't ignore that gut feeling that, with all of the bugs (or parts of the game that aren't working or don't integrate with the whole game) that are STILL plaguing the game, is Roberts vision even technically possible at the current state of technology? IF he is "inventing" the technology, than that's what is making that gut feeling warn me to just stand by and see what happens first.

[@minimumapature3361]

And the begellion dollar question of - will the game be FUN for most people when it's finished?

[@zl6924]

The people buying the $400+ ships are really a benefit to you, you can group up with them or call on them for help when needed. Not much of an impact will be made on your personal gameplay if another person wants to purchase a $45 ship or a $400 ship. There will always be something to grind for. You can't just 'purchase' base materials or upgraded QT drives and shields etc.

[@80KBM]

With 4.0. Can you rent NPS´s in a 400$ ship to shoot turrents or fix components? Or is it useless without a friend or two?🤣

[@briant2438]

The 2 biggest things that came out of CitizenCon is what the full release 1.0 game is intended to be and one of the most boring but important things ever for an MMO system is the Friends and Organizations interface that is the most basic thing in all MMOs. The fact we are 12 years into it and still don't have that basic functionality is mind boggling. But what they showed, is exactly what is needed, and we are glad they are finally addressing it. The downside of course is the "When?" question was not answered, and 1.0 features look like they might take a really long time. SC 1.0 2030? Maybe. It is hard to wait this long and know there is significant waiting ahead.

[@jondspen]

RSI has really failed the customers. It looks like I will be playing this game with my grandson - just hope I am not dead and not physically/mentally incapacitated by the time I get what I paid for. I could have graduated HS, college, married, and while SC created an engine - I created a human being almost ready to enter High School themselves. RSI isn't curing cancer either....FFS

[@Grimshak81]

There are reasons why they tackled the Friedns and Orgs menus right now and that is because: Building Blocks UI". I know you dont know, and I know if I would explain it you would just scream CuLTiSt!!11 anyway, but just for the protocol: there are reasons that make sense. And informed people know more. Also, look again: that system they implemented to organize your org and friends list is better than in most MMOs.

[@mrsasquatch4828]

They dont just do random wipes because its the point of the game tho, that makes no sense. They wipe because of whatever they are working on at the time needed a wipe... our next wipe is 4.0 people??? When was the last wipe ?

[@sebastiaomendonca1477]

I genuinely cannot remember when the last wipe was. Sometime around 3.18 they stopped needing to do it so frequently

[@mrsasquatch4828]

@@sebastiaomendonca1477 and when did 3.18 come out ?

[@z4rk979]

@@mrsasquatch4828 March 10, 2023

[@austin962]

@@mrsasquatch4828 Beginning of 2023, getting close to 2 years ago Wipes have become extremely rare and 1.0 will completely do away with them

[@mrsasquatch4828]

​@austin962 So why did Luke say what he said ffs? 🤦‍♂️

[@XeviousGG]

28:00 this concept is an epic tale of griefing waiting to happen

[@PigeonTendies]

Definitely some valid concerns you brought up at the end. Recently had a discussion about this with a friend. The main issue right now with buying ships in game is definitely the wipes, but with their 1.0 plan, those wipes will no longer happen making buying and crafting your ships to keep in game wayy more viable. This brings up the concern of how difficult or lengthy they'll make it to get ships in game to potentially incentivize just buying them for actual money. And if they do stop selling ships, how else would they be able to appropriately fund the studio to keep building on their ambitions? These are exciting times to be a fan, but there's definitely room to be concerned with the future of the game, even with the huge advancements it's been making lately.

[@lyudvig_]

28:38 Imagine having a second job as a ship cleaner or cook or something like that 😂😂

[@DerKilianist]

Thats what npcs are for, funny idea tho 😂

[@Tokru86]

@@DerKilianist Well, people who pay these outrageous amounts for virtual ships think all other poorer playes are NPCs to them anyway.

[@lyudvig_]

@@DerKilianist My future title in Star Citizen will be the best back massage expert in the Galaxy. I'm very good at it, trust me 😂

[@myrchantkobold8268]

Most larger ships are bought for an org for use as a group. Many ships are totally useless solo.

[@AnymMusic]

My man you're joking..... but we have genuinely seen people who advocated for janitorial quests lmao

[@realbram]

I've played Starlancer on PC (and on my Dreamcast) and absolutely loved it. Then came Freelancer and that open world was mindblowing and I spent hours on single- and multiplayer. Both were Chris Roberts games but I heard he got fired from developing Freelancer because it was taking him forever to finish it and he required a lot of money. I bought a ship for about 40 dollars at the start of SC and I used to check in once in a while. What you said Luke; it's a great pitch but for me the content is lacking and development is crazy slow. I also didn't enjoy the fanbase's cultish and addictive tendencies. When the game is released, some years from now, I can see myself logging in and see my 40 buck ship getting destroyed after launch by a 50 dollar missile from a 1000 dollar frigate just for a laugh.

[@cedvelt]

The game will not work if what you fear is a likely outcome.

[@Apav1x]

It's always interesting to me how outside gamers looking in think Star Citizen is going to work. You all see dollar signs in everything more than CIG does. $50 missile lmao, does it come with LTI?

[@idgi]

@@Apav1xcan’t believe RSI is making me pay for LTI on my weapons smh

[@SpartanArmy117]

Yeah people have gotten weirdly culty around this game. Like you said the content is lacking and it won't get better. How do I know? Because it turns out empty space is kind of boring, who knew. The tech is extremely impressive but that "trick" impresses people just a few times, but content keeps them around. Also just from a pragmatic stand point the "fly anywhere" stuff creates sooooo many issues. Trolling in this game is going to be brutal and maybe even make it unplayable on its own.

[@nygeriunprence]

What Starfield would’ve been if Bethesda was competent.

[@Hunter12365]

But greedier 😑

[@dabbingraccoons6416]

@@Hunter12365I mean at least there’s no loading screens

[@Hunter12365]

@@dabbingraccoons6416 well, that is an improvement 😅😅

[@SpartanArmy117]

Yes and no. Incredibly cool systems that are just flat out impressive, but for what really. Starcitizen is going to be the text book study on unnecessary features in games. In other words, Starfields loading screens aren't what made it mediocre.

[@Grimshak81]

@@SpartanArmy117 the loading screens WERE one of the major drawbacks of Starfield and what you deem unnecessary features is for other precisely that level of immersion that other games so utterly lack. If it help to keep the Fortnite minmaxers or the Call of Duty bunnyhopping crowd away... even better.

[@asmosisyup2557]

Everyone's always hyper fixated on "whats the endgame, how fast can i get to the endgame, game worthless if doesnt have endgame" Am I the only one that wants more early game and more middle game, not less? I want to enjoy a game as much as possible before a hamsters wheel appears in front of me.

[@vijilant]

"SC" is an acronym for "Scope Creep", in case anyone was wondering. As in "That Scope Creep game sure looks like it'll be great once they finish coming up with new features to add"

[@4tech69]

Cargo mission don't work and they want you to believe they'll ever deliver on any of this. Stop calling it a game. It's not a game. Yet.

[@jondspen]

Been away since Xeno - nothing worked then (other than bounty missions). You are correct, this isn't a game, it's a feature test sandbox for Chris's ego. 10 F ing years - that's bullshat - you have an obligation to deliver a product to the person in a reasonable time, not feature creep the project indefinitely.

[@awsm253]

A lot of people I know, refuse to touch the game. A lot see the huge prices and base that off of how much it must cost for entry without realizing you can just. spend a rather low amount for what is still a great experience. As for the money spent, a lot also refuse to listen to reason. - They had to restart development a couple of times due to changes and initial engines being unable to handle the desired game. - They are having to develop an entire engine at the same time of developing the game. And on top of that, Squadron 42 is being made at the same time. - money doesn't just equal progress. it definitely got them the budget and the Manpower but it still takes time.

[@Ssalamanderr]

Those things are all signs of mismanagement, it doesnt excuse the state of the game after so much time and money. The fact that they have thrown out entire game systems and restarted development multiple times is a huge red flag.

[@awsm253]

@@Ssalamanderr Them realizing what they were building wasn't going to work and going back to fix things, and creating an entirely new engine to best suit there needs is a red flag? I guess games like Starfield running on decade old engines that were never intended for games like that is a green flag, then?

[@jonh2798]

​@@awsm253every competent developer knew when they chose the first engine and how they were using it that it wasnt going to work. They chose cryengine all those years ago only because it was the most graphically intense engine. They didnt care that it couldnt handle what they wanted even with their own dev work. That's the red flag. The nonstop incompetency

[@awsm253]

@@jonh2798 If they didn't care about what it could handle. they wouldn't have dropped it in favor of making their own engine.

[@jonh2798]

@@awsm253 the kept trying to force it until it was painfully obvious to them it wasnt going to work, then tried forcing it some more with Amazon's fork of cryengine

[@jacktyler58]

I do appreciate it when content creators outside of the sc mainstream community cover the game, I do. But it comes with a lot of missing context and knowledge and, especially when it comes to ship sales, ends up being little more than a lot of unintentional misinformation. Not mad, just saying.

[@Unknown-ek1ox]

Facts. I do believe many just jump on a bandwagon and cover the game whenever it gets these "information/news bursts" e.g. due to a citizencon. Then people superficially and with limited info - and how could they have deeper information or knowledge and context if they didn't back or follow the project for a while themselves - comment on it. And then a year or two later rinse and repeat.

[@enwerd7050]

It's okay. The outsider perspective is so important. They don't need to get it like us old backers do. Most players of SC will be from outside

[@jacktyler58]

@@enwerd7050 that's actually a really salient point.

[@whatsmyname5086]

The devs should take notes on the prices, if people HATE micro transaction like dragons dogma or in general in any game, then maybe a pack shouldn’t be $10,000

[@Grimshak81]

its a crowdfunding campaign, not microtransactions for a game financed by a publisher. Its in the core a different thing. You dont have to do any transaction, you just buy the game /currently 45 dollars, after release 60-70)

[@SubzeroBlack68]

One of my ideas was that Guilds can create large space stations where the guild members can all park their ships on walk around their guild base and buy defense upgrades and systems for their base. So non guild members who get to close will get attacked or you can buy NPCS to run your guild operations. Imagine being able to buy NPC mercenary teams and buying them equipment and upgrades and they can patrol the your Guilds boundariers. Other players can get into fight with other guild security and if they win, they can loot the gear from the npcs.

[@rezaoka6123]

I want to add some miss conception here : - Server wipe ( Ship, In Game Credits ) only apply because the game is on testing state, once 1.0 release, there will be no wipe. - Bigger ship doesnt mean better ship if only manned by 1 crew, its harder to maintain, and take times much longer to respawn ( if destroyed ) - All real money ship is tier 1, to upgrade it to better tier ( up to tier 5 ) you need to progress it in game

[@AngryHoplite]

the last point is still bad imo. a big Ship should be valuable. Like an "Holy Shit" moment if you see it ingame. and this moment gets destroyed if you just sell these Ships for real Money.

[@ironwarr]

@@AngryHoplite most of the "holy shit" ships are hull limited, meaning only a certain amount of them are sold whenever they're sold, not to mention they're expensive and you need a LOT of friends to even run them. The biggest ship won't even be buyable on the pledge store

[@jedi_drifter2988]

If you get a starter pack and can't save $10. a month to CCU upgrade to the ship you like, then how can afford a PC to play it ? Besides that, the bigger the ship, the harder it is to run. More cost ingame in every aspect, including crew size. A Cap ship crew, will be like herding cats. It will take a disciplined crew to run. Spending more RLM in Star citizen does not = an I win button ...

[@adribier]

- Server wipe ( Ship, In Game Credits ) only apply because the game is on testing state So there have been server wipes during those 10+ years of development? that must really suck (for people who didn't pay for ships)

[@rezaoka6123]

@@adribier I think everyone who pledge for the game already know the risk as the game is still in testing stages. There several types of wipe, either credits, ships, reputation. I am already played the game for 1,5 years and had only experiencing credit wipes, once, as the dev want to test the new economy, I am still keeping all my bought in game ship tho

[@NukeMyHouse]

At 35:20, you were in SCM mode, with a max speed of 225m/s unboosted, 450m/s boosted. You were NOT in NAV mode, in which your top speed *would* have been 1,200m/s, and the journey would have likely been completed in under a third of the time (if you elect not to quantum, at least).

[@Druagr]

This system is awful. It really sucks the fun out of flying.

[@ryu-ken]

My wife left me and took my kids when she found out i spent 50k on this game

[@sethviticus1651]

Her loss lmao

[@EdgewiseSJ]

50k might be a lot or not, depending on how much you make.

[@Nubbley]

Your mistake was not building her a pc xD

[@dabbingraccoons6416]

Are you kidding or deadass

[@tomasarcher4761]

If you're telling the truth, she did the right thing. How could you be so irresponsible?

[@reyork]

Love your videos Luke and your objective and breakdowns of games and why (in your opinion) they are good or bad. You being able to point out narrative incongruencies or appreciate something well down is a rarity in a world where people make videos to pull as many clicks as possible and then say whatever they think will get likes. You don't do that. I think you and Space Tomato have that in common and I look forward to your video together. One thing though: this game isn't pay to win. Yes, you can pay crazy money to buy ships, but you don't have to. Most of the ships are available to purchase with in game currency. Wait a couple months and newly released ships that were only for sale with real money will be available for purchase with aUEC (in game currency). You do have to make an initial purchase for a starter ship and game package. But there is no obligation or real necessity to purchase additional ships with real money. I have spent $56 on this game and have about 8 ships in game that I could have otherwise have purchased with real money. So why buy ships with dollars? Its really to continue to show your support for CIG and this project. As you have mentioned several times, there is a lot of crazy tech they are pushing out and trying to make work while attempting to make two games: Star Citizen (MMO) and Squadron 42 (single player). A lot of people have shown their support over the years by supporting CIG this way. It has also garnered a great deal of criticism and skepticism on whether they can accomplish all this. Again, I really look forward toward your conversation with Tomato.

[@helli0n73]

This game looks cool but for me some parts of it has red flags. Feels like a black hole when it comes to money. Hope Im wrong but I don't know how it will last in the long run.

[@APHEX9]

$730,000,000 funding divided by 22,828,453 players = $31.97 per player. So that again divided by, let's say, 10 years is like $3.19 a year. Well they used every penny very good I would say. People waste more money on gambling etc. then in Star Citizen. After 1.0 no wipes anymore. And it is: planet (some with moon) - solar system - galaxy - galaxy clusters in different sizes - universe. We will never have galaxies or above in Star Citizen (ok, never say never). Still a good video tho - keep 'em coming.

[@samarboria]

"People waste more money on gambling etc. then in Star Citizen." This is a misnomer. By your logic if we divide all potential gamblers by total money spent gambling, it would also be extraordinarily low. That is not the reality; both have their whales, and both aren't necessarily healthy for industry or personal wellbeing. While Star Citizen is a programming marvel and game I personally enjoy, there are individuals who - for lack of a better term - have a problem. The issues that self-evidently arise from how we conduct business is not mutually exclusive to our responsibility to improve ourselves. Some arguments range from "Oh, the rich buy fancy cars, why not sell fancy ships?" to a resounding "Who cares." It seems people are really missing the point.

[@BigRich07-1]

I think calling it a scam is unfair. I think CIG has done a really bad job communicating realistic expectations to their community and they deserve criticism for that, but when you look at what they are doing its actually insane and it makes sense why its taking so long. They aren't just making a game they are also inventing new tech just to run the various systems in this game. I like to compare this game to GTA 6. Consider that GTA 6 is not nearly as complex as Star Citizen, and yet its taking just as long to develop; and apparently with a development price tag twice of Star Citizen; also consider how much time was lost during Covid. Maybe im delusional, i think Star Citizen is taking the proper amount of time to make, the people who are angry simply forgot that they bought into a game thats still in open development. I also know that someone reading this is gonna be foaming at the mouth for trying to say something positive about Star Citizen.

[@bmax3549]

SCAM!

[@kityhawk2000]

I think a lot of it is they are having to learn how to do most of the things they promised and perhaps they were too hasty to make these promises without looking at the realistic viability of them. A lot of things took longer than they expected and others were found to not be feasible

[@Ssalamanderr]

Its a scam because they will never deliver what they have promised. every few years they invent some new tech term that has to be completed for the dream to be realized. Right now its server meshing. As soon as thats in we will suddenly have 50 star systems, and all this amazing gameplay, thats what we are supposed to believe. But they have never shown any ability to deliver on their promises.

[@silviupopovici7122]

I like how a lot of people think the way things are going with Star Citizen is absolutely normal. Lmao. It's all a joke.

[@718Hokage]

They have to keep the mental gymnastics going or they will get hit by the sunk-cost fallacy

[@honeybadger6275]

Anyone that defends it or shows up to argue that it "isn't actually a scam" shouldn't be allowed to breed.

[@elvyynn]

​@@honeybadger6275 How can you watch this video and come to the conclusion that the game's a scam? Maybe your parents shouldn't have bred

[@silviupopovici7122]

@@elvyynn lol.. are you serious? did you opened the internet like yesterday? SC is an overexpensive tech demo that cost 730m dollars. And they released shit with. Are we for real?

[@Salafessien]

​@elvyynn Most people who call it scam never played it at all. The only things they know about SC come from Chinese whispers from the epidemic of mediocre gaming commentary YT channels, their knowledge on the subject is as deep as "expensive taking forever bad" if you ask them to elaborate they will be completely unable to.

[@pookienumnums]

Ships can be purchased by earned money within the in game economy. Purchased ships, as of right now anyway, are permanent in your inventory. Ships purchased for in game currency that youve earned and worked hard for, can be wiped during large updates etc.

[@GuidoQuinceMaat]

I think the 100km distance between POI's actually encourages exploring, en maybe the excitement of finding something interesting. I kind of like bits of quiet and nothing in between cool stuff. I remember Skyrim felt like you could walk around for a bit without finding anything, and then when you did find something, the excitement was all the more real.

[@mediaondisplay3089]

Geez what are they up to total? Over $2 billion in development and the game is still not released, still testing things and the promise of an actual game. At this point why release a game when you can make so much money "developing" it.

[@austin962]

Are you talking about GTA VI? CIG hasn't even come close to 1 billion. Good job watching literally none of the video

[@moebeans72]

Because they are a game studio. Some people make games for passion, Y’know?

[@cedvelt]

Its 730million. Not sure where you found the 2bn. Cloud Imperium games now has more than 1100 employees. That cost alone is more than >50million annually. The only way to create a game like this is by crowdfunding it. Its probably way less costefficient than a big studio could do it. But a big studio would never do it, cause it is too much risk for the shareholders.

[@Unknown-ek1ox]

@@cedvelt Just shows you how much misinformation and conclusion-jumping exists. People yap about the "12 years muh billions" when all they do is spout their nonsensical notions into the net to rant for the sake of it. (Do not confuse this for labelling ANY criticism as bad, I just mean the uninformed yappers and career-haters on the project, which I predict, a majority off will later quietly eagerly play the game if it turns feature and remotely content-complete in the intended 1.0 full release)

[@CaseyLynn-i7u]

@@moebeans72 Or bleed people of their money never finishing a game.

[@WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot_YT]

Just FYI, the terminology ‘content’ and ‘features’ are two different things in the game dev. Features usually refers to tech requirements for an MVP whereas content is actual gameplay elements that are front facing for players that take advantage of said tech.

[@Infinite_Unity.]

OMG GUYS!! It’s never been done before! Give them the time they need to do what we all really want! Most studios take forever and then push out trash that needs 10+ updates to be what they promised! Let them take their time to make a game LIKE NEVER BEFORE!

[@CaseyLynn-i7u]

12 years? Really at a cost of 730 million. No company would let them do that because the odds of it ever making 1 penny is next to impossible. It could be a hit and sell 6 million copies and the company would still go broke. You need a mega hit. Those don't come along every day. At $60 they'd need to sell 12 million and they still don't break even. Not every game is Elden Ring in sells. Good games might sell 3 million. You only need to sell this at a $243 a pop to get 730 million back. Good games are not all mega hits.

[@bradleyhiggs3824]

@@CaseyLynn-i7u people are GIVING them this money, there's no cost at all. You need to go learn about crowd funding and how bottomless the pit of hope can be.

[@Infinite_Unity.]

@@CaseyLynn-i7u I would agree if it was a company giving them the funds but it’s not. Like my friend above says, it’s crowd funded. This game only exists because people believe in it, so trust that it will hit! It will be a stable to the new technological innovation of humanity now. It will be a new standard for years to come! I believe in this game and it’s ok if others don’t…but let’s just see what else they do before assuming it’ll never come out. I’d rather wait a full 20 years (which would be ass) for the “best” game that’s ever been crafted. Then 6/7 for some bullshit we’ve seen before trying to pretend to be what this game will be. Hopefully…👀🫣

[@jondspen]

@@CaseyLynn-i7u To everyone commenting - WTF does it matter where the money came from? If I paid $45 12 years ago - I don't expect to spend $45 today because my son is now 12 and wants to play with me - except we still have to wait another 2 years for the release. This is a game - not curing cancer - and they do have an obligation to deliver something eventually... (EDIT) preferable before I literally die and leave this planet. Continuous feature creep and Chris's vision of another Rolex is getting to be an old excuse fan bois....

[@Infinite_Unity.]

@@jondspen They will deliver something, they actually already have. They continue to show progress…again doing something that’s never been done before takes time. If you’re not wanting to back them, because it’s not like they ever promised a full game right now, don’t back them! The $750 million they’ve raised is from people who believe in the game. If you don’t…be glad you didn’t back it. If you do, then be in excited anticipation for what’s to come. They literally have whole conventions every year showing major progress, again on technology that’s has never actually been used before to this level! Give them time to create the game you want.

[@alphalegion483]

Yeah its looking good . I mainly hyped for the single player version of the game Squadron 42. I wonder if in the future the aliens for multiplayer are gonna be playable that they show in the Squadron 42 trailer . The only disappointment for me was preferred the older controls for the game over the newer.

[@ericc2993]

They sold me when the guy on the stage said we could build our own capital ship. Hell, I'm a fan of Supership or Capital Ship (large-size ship) and I'm definitely buying this game when it comes out.

[@PlatinumParakeet]

I hope you have 100 friends to help you crew it! Definitely consider joining an organization when you do start playing.

[@insanelyberserk3778]

The monetization of Star Citizen will forever keep me away from their project.

[@rayaan6951]

What monetization? The game is in development, if you want to back the game then you can do so for a reward, but everything is still earnable in game

[@insanelyberserk3778]

@rayaan6951 as was stated in the video. Your earned items can and will be reset. If I buy it with real-world money, I get to keep it forever. Also 300 to multi thousand dollar items is monetization

[@dmitrit.4862]

@@insanelyberserk3778 The wipes have actually become quite rare. I bought several ships in the game and still own them, even though several patches have already been released. The money is still there too. Everything that has to do with ‘long-term persistence’, so to speak (and that includes e. g. ships, armour or weapons), was not wiped lately. And as soon as SC reaches version 1.0, wipes will be a thing of the past anyway, if not sooner. And as for your ‘300 to thousands of dollars’ statement: You only need one starter pack and it's enough if you only have the cheapest one. Everything else is optional! Means no one's forced to pay extra or something like that.

[@rayaan6951]

@@insanelyberserk3778 well yeah that's how they fund their project, that's like saying "Star Citizen getting funded will forever keep me away from it." How else is it supposed to grow

[@insanelyberserk3778]

​@@rayaan6951ah yes over 700 million in funding and nowhere near a completed project. You're a genius