Lumix vs. Sigma | 24-70mm f2.8 - Which one is better?

[@EBTL263]

I have the Lumix S5 with the Sigma 24-70 for video, and you can set the focus ring to linear in the S5. It works great. But the more expensive Panasonic focus clutch does still offer more resistance. Sorry if someone else has already pointed this out. Thanks for your video, PAV. Always a pleasure to watch your reviews.

[@PavSZ]

As far as I am aware linear focusing does not work with Sigma lenses at all. Yes, you can switch it on but it just does not change anything with all of S line cameras

[@Millistration]

I can also confirm Sigma can go linear, the only thing is the degrees remains unchangeable. The throw will be linear though, and seems to sit around that 180 degrees or so.

[@fluffybuht]

Thanks for this bit of info. I was wondering if firmware updates for the Sigma lenses now allow linear focus.

[@ShahbazBakhshnia]

You are one of the few people I enjoy watching on KZbin. Honest, top-class, and detailed reviews!

[@jeffreybowdoin1881]

Panasonic 24-70 for me seems to be one of the best video AF lenses compared to other lenses I own such as Panasonic 24-105, 35mm f1.2 sigma, Panasonic 50mm f1.4, etc The performance comes down to AF settings. I’ve found that each lens performs differently and requires different dialed-in settings. So not an out-of-the-box AF system. Also Panasonic 24-70mm seems to have more 3d pop and character (possibly due to Leica cert). But it is slight, shows more in some photos, and looks similar to the sigma in other photos. So buying new, sigma is probably the better value (not sure about build quality and longevity, obviously Panasonic would likely win). But buying used, Panasonic seems to be the best choice IMO (esp for video, or for that extra pop in your photos)

[@PavSZ]

it also comes down to the personal preference when it comes to choosing lenses of the same spec. I agree with different dialed-in settings for AF for different lenses. It's just how it is

[@markm4263]

The dust issue is VERY much real and happened to all those who had early copies of it (assuming it's been fixed). Whats more, Sigma was very slow to react to this and did not acknowledge the issue until much later. I will never buy another Sigma lens for this reason.

[@PavSZ]

check out my video about the Sigma lens - I talk about the dust issue in it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZuZnaekZ8aSjas

[@markm4263]

@@PavSZ Thank you for doing that issue justice. We have to hold companies accountable as it's not pocket change, even for moderately-priced gear.

[@DrBrunoDzogovic]

I like how the Sigma breathes in certain vibrancy of the colors in the photos, but this is something also adjustable in post. However, the Lumix has slightly more pleasant bokeh, and this is also a matter of taste after all. For such a small difference, I believe the price can only be the deciding factor.

[@PavSZ]

Totally agree!

[@georgehudetz1233]

FWIW, you can assign AF-ON Near Shift/Far Shift to buttons and it will force the camera to choose the near/far subject, respectively. This functionality came in FW 1.2 and you can find the description in the 1.2 addendum.

[@PavSZ]

thanks for that info. I shall check this out in a minute

[@jorgemtrevino]

I have the Sigma and I'm amazed by its IQ and general performance.

[@estherruzo]

Thank you for the info Pav! I preordered my s5 ii for a very good price and I am a beginner filmmaker. I found an offer of the panasonic one, being 550€ more expensive than the Sigma. It's a very tentative offer but I don't know if is worth it... Since I didn't try the panasonic ecosystem before and i am a beginner, what would you recommend me? I believe both of them will perfom good with the new autofocus system but I am also wondering if Panasonic will go for a better 24-70 f2.8 such as Sony did. Would like to know your thoughts on this! By the way, congratulations on your video and thank you for this comparison, which is difficult to find!

[@PavSZ]

They both will perform very well on the new S5II. Only you can decide which one is better for you based on the look, weight, price and how you feel about one of them. Hard to say that this or that is better in this case. Thank you for watching

[@peeravaskongsansatien9945]

I'm using the sigma 24-70mm. And I have dust issues. I just sent the lens to service for removing small dust... 2 months later I found another dust inside the lenses. ( I used the lens in normal condition and put it in a dry cabinet.

[@PavSZ]

oh no, that's a shame. I know it happens on some of the copies. Sorry to hear it. I hope you have it sorted

[@ju2705s]

Heard a UV 82mm filter would help on the dust problem. Cross fingers because I ordered yesterday the Sigma lens.

[@LucaBono.Studio]

Don't worry about it...I have the same problem with Panasonic lenses. I replaced my 24-105 3 times because of dust or mold... and I've probably used these lenses for maximum 20 times in total... in two years lol Lenses that extends while zooming in and out are prone to pump dust inside the barrel...it happens with every brand.

[@twix_creative2364]

Great! And what about stabilization with lumix s1? Which is better?

[@PavSZ]

both of these lenses are not stabilised so they both as good as your camera's IBIS

[@twix_creative2364]

@@PavSZ oh, thank you! :)

[@errolfernsstudios]

Thanks for your info sir. So which lense will be the best on the lumix s5 for video to shoot with autofocus?? Specially with a gimbel.

[@PavSZ]

I would not rely on autofocus of the S5, nothing to do with the lenses.

[@DidierMOULINPhotography]

1:58 is this what you call similar colors? the two images you show are so different color wise !

[@PavSZ]

similar - I have edited them individually before putting them into the video. The left image could certainly have more saturation/vibrance added to it. Raw files are very similar

[@DidierMOULINPhotography]

@@PavSZ OK thank you so much because I was impressed by the difference !! Keep on going, your channel is great !

[@gravitymediapro]

Really great content, and I appreciate you making an actual decision. New sub!

[@PavSZ]

Thank you very much!

[@vaidehiarts]

Hey :) I was actually looking for a comparison between Lumix 24-70 f/2.8 (or 24-105 f/4) with the Sigma 28-70 f/2.8. That lens seems ideal for travel and documentary work. Have you used it? Any opinions on how much the IQ difference is between the two?

[@PavSZ]

I think Sigma is much better for value for money delivering identical high end quality as Lumix

[@jacobsnightmare1807]

Great video! Subscribed right after watching! Will the Lumix s5iix display the current focal range with the Sigma? Ive always wanted to go with a constant aperture zoom lens for short films, but I always thought I'd never really know what focal length the lens was at unless i was at one end or the other. I an new at this, obviously :) Thank you!!

[@PavSZ]

thanks. It displays the focal length when you zoom in/out with zoom lenses

[@jacobsnightmare1807]

@@PavSZ Great! Thank you!

[@wesvdell]

Good review! How about the Sigma 24-70 vs the 28-70 f2.8? The size of the 28-70 is very appealing if the IQ holds up to the 24-70.

[@PavSZ]

good idea!!! I might make that comparison video soon

[@francissosing]

@@PavSZ I'd love to see that video too

[@uishiuishi]

I have both. The 28-70 is smaller and lighter, but lack the 4mm on wide side and the image quality is lower than the 24-70, expecially at longer focal lenghts. Both of them needs to be stopped down when focusing at the minimum distance, due to field curvature issues. If i have to choose one, i'll go for the 24-70 with no hesitation

[@CrazyGamer109]

Great review! The sigma does such an excellent job for half the price

[@PavSZ]

Yes it does! Thank you for watching!

[@miklosnemeth8566]

That section starting at 2:32 is brutally interesting how a Lumix camera is performing focusing with millions of hunting back and forth. I guess you can get used to it.

[@PavSZ]

it does not happen every time and it's not really a problem, not a big problem anyway

[@ThePhenomenalLife]

I think this is a repost, right? Because the autofocus in the video is way different now from when you first did this review. But I could be wrong.

[@PavSZ]

I have never done this comparison before. I have compared Sigma and Lumix 85mm lenses side by side before

[@ThePhenomenalLife]

@@PavSZ Ahh, Thanks, great review!

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

There a few key features the Lumix has, if you know you need them, you need them.

[@PavSZ]

apart from the pull/push manual focus switch there is no other features on the Lumix lens that Sigma hasn't got

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

@@PavSZ the MF clutch, slightly better characteristics for bokeh (pretty subjective and slight, and for video guys the Lumix is parfocal whereas the sigma is only mostly parfocal.

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

I think the sigma breathes more too but yeah it’s pretty slight

[@ahmadshaarawy1224]

Love your photographs too! :)

[@PavSZ]

Yay, thank you!

[@divinepledge8640]

Did Sigma ever address the dust issue on the Sigma Zoom? I am wondering if the LUMIX is worth the extra 1k to avoid the dust issue that I’ve heard about

[@PavSZ]

dust issue was only an issue with early versions of the lens. Lumix lens is not better performance wise

[@divinepledge8640]

@@PavSZ That’s what I had seen based on test footage! I’m looking for a grab and go zoom for live events and I have the 70-200 2.8 lumix lense so was hoping to match the look of the lumix (got on a deal) personally my Meike cinema lenses are more fun to use but pulling focus during live events is a hassle! Thanks for the great review

[@lukaszs44]

I think, diference in price between Lumix nad Sigma cause R&D cost. Panasonic lens has 100% cost of R&D, unlike Sigma, where this cost is divided on E-mount and L-mount. Especially, in E-mount this lens has much bigger number list o customers than L-mount.

[@PavSZ]

maybe. I still think that Sigma is a better value overall

[@Mathew-vlogs]

How is the sigma for photography? And to be specific, continuous auto focus? I can’t seem to find any videos of people showing the continuous auto focus for photography. I get that in video it’s not reliable, but how about photography? I. Would appreciate it if you can answer this question for me. Thanks.

[@PavSZ]

there is no issues with AF-C in photography using this Sigma - in fact I have my S5 almost always in AF-C when shooting photos

[@Mathew-vlogs]

@@PavSZ thank you. That’s what I was worried about. Because the lens looks awesome. Thanks for the response.

[@nawar9261]

thanks for the great Video.. I watch it in the right time, cause i want to buy a Lens in this range

[@PavSZ]

Glad it was helpful!

[@eonrionel4751]

If you had to decide between Sigma 24-70 F2.8 and Sony 24-105 F4 G OSS, as all round use (mixed photo/video) wich would win?

[@PavSZ]

I have made the side by side comparison video about those two lenses awhile ago

[@georgedavall9449]

Outstanding ‘Real World’ comparison Pav! I believe you’ve just about nailed it with regards to these two lenses. I am considering going with the L Mount alliance system, just unsure of Lumix cameras and their AF system. I believe Panasonic makes a great product, but they need to step up their game with regards to autofocus! You’re a very likable chap, and come across great in your videos. ☺️😉 I’m Glad I’m a subscriber, and look forward to seeing more content from you! 👏🏻👍👍👍😁✌🏻🇺🇸📷

[@PavSZ]

Thank you very much George! I use my Lumix S5 regularly and the AF is not perfect but it is totally manageable when used right. The best spec camera for the money for sure

[@georgedavall9449]

@@PavSZ You’re Welcome Pav! Thanks for the nice reply! I neglected to mention for the money, I’d go with the Sigma here, no doubt! The clutch focusing on the Lumix is nice, but wow what a price! Sigma has been making lenses for a long time, and their Corporate philosophy is to always improve upon their product. Most of the time they get it right. 😀 The S5 is very appealing to me. A solid camera no doubt. Great Value! Enjoy your S5! Peace and Health to you my friend, from across the pond. 👍😁✌🏻📷

[@LucaBono.Studio]

Great comparison Pav! I like the Panasonic way more than the Sigma...I see many CA and a lot of contrast in the samples of the Sigma lens. I'm curious about the Leica version of this 24-70 F2.8 from Sigma...the coating of the Leica version should have way less contrast.

[@PavSZ]

Thanks Luca! I'm hoping to review the Leica lens soon

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

Biggest downside of the sigma, they havent released the 70-200 yet so you cant make a set with them :(

[@PavSZ]

it must be coming soon and the very long overdue 50mm DG DN as well

[@francissosing]

Whoa... I thought there is already a Sigma 70-200 2.8 Leica L mount available

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

@@francissosing nope

[@marcalfredmaligalig2594]

Update on this video with the new s5ii/x please! :)

[@PavSZ]

I won't be making that video. Optically these lenses are very similar, nothing changes there, and AF performance will be very close, depending on what you are shooting

[@Mowikan]

When i bought my lumix 24-70 there was no sigma. Thank go i am happy with that lens. Ps i am using it on my s1r

[@PavSZ]

still great lens

[@Luka-kc2ok]

Sigma looks better in the image samples 😂 One question though, how does the sigma hold up with higher MP count camera’s eg. Lumix S1R

[@PavSZ]

I never heard hat Sigmas don't resolve high resolution well. They are premium lenses

[@AlexJenkins]

So I have an S5 now. Is it normal for the camera to bounce focus when you half press the shutter? I don't know if I noticed that as much with the Sony/Fuji cameras I've used.

[@PavSZ]

bounce focus?

[@AlexJenkins]

@@PavSZ yeah. When you half press he shutter the focus kinda bounces a bit before it focuses. It's in the video when you're talking about Panasonic autofocus issues. I assume it's normal though. But seeing it in the video sparked the question.

[@PavSZ]

@@AlexJenkins I can't say I have noticed it or thought it was a problem and I do use Sony, Nikon and Fuji cameras at the same time

[@AlexJenkins]

@@PavSZ It's at 3:16, there's just the ever so slightest background/foreground focus. But I know Panasonic struggled with autofocus stuff as it is. ANYWAY, thanks for the responses! Love the page. Subbed my friend!

[@stevenbamford5245]

I know it's been 2years but I just bought the Sigma for my concert photography, and it's not great, it hunts way to much and to the point I had to take it off the camera during a gig, as I had enough of missed shots. I tried the 16-28 f/2.8 and the performance was way better in low light situations I think the 24-70mm maybe a bit dated now. For me it's definitely not a keeper.

[@PavSZ]

strange. In my experience they both do a very good job. It will depend on the camera a lot as well or maybe your copy of Sigma was not right. I have used Sony and L-mount versions extensively and never had problems with af

[@stevenbamford5245]

@@PavSZ Hi Pav, thanks for the reply, I was using a Lumix S1. Like I said the 16-28 no problem, I also used a 35 f1.8 with great results. The 24-70mm started ok, then it began to struggle. Thanks Steve.

[@firehorseweddingphotograph3995]

Neither…but instead the Sigma 28-70mm f2.8 because it’s much smaller and lighter with very little real world difference in image quality. Especially if you can live with 28mm vs 24mm…which I can (having the 20-60mm in the bag which at f3.5 at the wide end, is pretty decent).

[@firehorseweddingphotograph3995]

If I had to between these 2, the Lumix for sure.

[@firehorseweddingphotograph3995]

Oh and one other thought and that is it would be interesting to see the new Leica ‘version’ in the mix…

[@PavSZ]

yes and yes and ... yes (I hope to try the new Leica version soon)

[@A1Bokeh]

man a lot of times I picked the lumix but some sigma images..man thats a tough one I think it all depends on budget at the time

[@PavSZ]

Lumix is not $1000 dollars better for sure

[@A1Bokeh]

@@PavSZ right. But you pay big for small upgrades in the camera world

[@Verde88]

Now both can bought new for exactly the same money where I live, with the Panasonic cash back lumix is even cheaper but never mind. Would you still recommend sigma in this case ? Is Panasonic any better? It’s heavier and bigger and more difficult to sell later on imho.

[@A1Bokeh]

@@Verde88 ya I went with the panasonic for the possible slight edge. Can't go wrong either way

[@greeneryeveryday5699]

3:41

[@Wistbacka]

Sigma's bokeh is uglier. But I like the Sigma colors better.

[@PavSZ]

it's all down to personal preference

[@christopherfox735]

I think Panasonic lenses are overpriced! Their 70-200 F4 at £1749 is a case in point. I’m looking forward to Sigma coming out with their version. If you’re a Pro photographer you’d buy the Panasonic 70-200 F2.8 for £500 more, that is a decent price for F2.8, the F4 version should be about £1200. Great video.

[@PavSZ]

yes! thank you for watching

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

I don’t know about overpriced. They’re roughly in the range of Canon and Sony first party lenses of the same type

[@christopherfox735]

@@RhettThompsonFilm For me if you’re trying to get people to move over to your Full Frame system you need to incentivise people. They’re doing that with the four smaller lenses 24-85 F1.8 but a 70-200, in the old days 210 is a standard tele-zoom, they really can’t justify the cost. The Sony 70-200 F4 is £1,095 so I’m interested in how Panasonic can justify the extra £700 for their version. My next purchase might be the 85mm F1.8 or the Sigma 90mm F2.8 Contemporary. But I will need a 70-200 in the future.

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

@@christopherfox735 the Sony is 1500 the Panasonic is 1700. Not a massive difference especially considering the Sony is 8 years old and the Lumix is only 1 or 2. I got my Lumix 70-200 for 1000 dollars

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

TLDR; Panasonic’s lens is newer, better, and has more filmmaking features.

[@Ansonandco]

I think we all know who the clear winner is here…

[@PavSZ]

YES!

[@leesanghong80]

aj12b

[@PavSZ]

for sure

[@germancreatives88]

First

[@PavSZ]

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