Luna X1 Enduro Vs Specialized Turbo Levo Carbon Ebikes Head to Head Review

[@MrChadx1]

Have always appreciated Matt's reviews. It helped me by a surron x a year ago. This review is great, too. But, he used an incorrect pricepoint for the X1. The $3,490 is for the base x1. Matt rode the bike with m600 silent upgrade ($200) and 2000watt ludicrous upgrade ($300) so an accurate price for the bike is $3,990 (not $3,490 as reported). He mentions the upgrade cost of the levo display but did not mention the x1 2000watt upgrade cost or silent upgrade cost. Otherwise, great vid. Thanks.

[@bluesti3]

Ah, good points, and you're right! Totally slipped my mind. Although, it wouldn't have changed the scoring or the result... good catch.

[@malanalan1]

vid - very important disease. Is that what you meant?

[@MrChadx1]

@@malanalan1 Not sure if you are trolling or misunderstanding common diction, but I'll reply like the latter... vid is informal for video, which should be obvious from the context. It is not capitalized, so obviously is not an acronym.

[@domwybrecht6096]

One of the best side by side reviews I have seen on the X1. Sold

[@ahighervibe4086]

LUNA needs to find a shock mount that allows a bottle mount!

[@hoptard]

@@ahighervibe4086 why?....just get a USWE camel back, geeezuss if you're worried about a bottle mount this is probably not the right bike for you. LOL, people will be bitching next cuz they want a front basket on the bars for their cat.

[@joeows6537]

I spent the entire quarantine watching Luna Cycle videos.... I have saved my extra milk money to purchase the Fat Babe... unfortunately with 3 months of no work, I now have to wait another 5-6 months to save up again..... someday, I too, will own a Luna! Welcome back everyone!

[@kartikeyarajderkar8614]

DONT FOCUS ON BUYING A BIKE, first become 100% financially stable and don’t buy it unless you make at least 7k a month, be financially responsible,

[@joeows6537]

@@kartikeyarajderkar8614 make 7 grand a month?... I don't live in California, I live on a Reservation. I am lucky if I clear ten grand a year... i am getting a bike so i can ride out of town and get a job that pays more than minimum wage!... the Doctor down the road doesn't make 7 grand a month... besides, I will have enough by March to get the Galaxy Paint... now that's an e-bike!

[@markmasi5219]

Finally found my go-to e bike channel. Usually more confused after I watch a bike review, but this was so concise, clear, fair, and HELPFUL.

[@iamkingrichard2032]

I upgraded my X1 with coil rear shock, carbon wheels, carbon handle bar, rev grips, WTB Silverado saddle and raceface Chester pedals and boy oh boy this beast runs and feels great. I would not trade this with any other ebike for that price range plus it has plenty of power and torque. With 2.8 tires it can climb any roots and rocks. And the addition of the throttle this ebike rocks.

[@garyagostini3426]

What rear shock did you go with and what improvement did it give you over the monarch?

[@stevenleslie8557]

Really like my X1. At first I had some reservations. I was used to riding a 750w Banfang hub motor bike. It had lots of power but was heavy with no rear suspension. This made for a very bumpy ride and it couldn't tackle some of the steeper hills I wanted to ride. The thing I had to get use to was the frequent shifting to make sure I didn't overtask the chain and snap it by being in too low of gear. But I found it to be an excellent climber. Although you have to be constantly thinking about the terrain you are riding on. I like the throttle but using it alot really hurts your range. The power delivery is much different as you have to peddle harder to increase your speed and torque, but your efforts will be rewarded as the bike is smooth and powerful. The motor is a little loud, but I'd rather get over that steep hill than worry about that. The trimmings on the bike are largely first class. No Fox but the Rockshox do really good job. Only One major complaint: when you have about 20 percent left on the battery, it rapidly looses power to around one half. Kind of a pain if you encounter some hills towards the end of a long ride. I give the bike a 4/5.

[@jpmtgsvc]

What? All sold out as of June 13? Wow. Good job Luna Cycle. Glad that i ordered on about a week ago and waiting my X1.

[@deathbywombat]

Was just ready to pull the trigger yesterday and missed out 😩

[@mikewelpott8743]

This is the best review of the X1 that I have been able to find. The argument for the Levo is a solid one, and is certainly a good one for someone with deep pockets. The point of the X1 (in my opinion) is to show the consumer who saves their pennies that they can have a solid MTB that will not fail on the trail in a few weeks. As $3700 (or whatever it is at this time) is still a lot of money for some people. Typically, anyone with the resources to by a $10k e-MTB won't even know what Luna is...but those looking at the X1 most certainly know what the Levo is. What the Kenovo is, what the Heckler is, and on down the line. While it sounds like feel that this guy's a Luna fanboy, the fact that he actually has the Levo, and still favorably rates the X1 is huge in my book. The X1 not being as playful as the Levo could be weight, but it could also be components...Change the stem, compare HT angles for possible fork changes, change rims for something lighter and the bike feel can change dramatically. It should be obvious that I am seriously looking at e-Bikes, but even a used bike at $5k is only going to have a 500wH battery, with questionable life left...Try justifying a $5k used bike with my wife, and while I get it, she won't. (anyway WAF aside, just gotta scrape up a few more pennies...)

[@scottjameseaton5503]

They will know what a Luna is when it comes past and they can't catch it.

[@mikewelpott8743]

​@@scottjameseaton5503 Well, I will soon see. Just plunked down my hard earned on the X1, size M, with silent gear and upgraded display. I REALLY wanted the Commencal ebike, as I have recently purchased 2 commencal mtbs for my kids, the Meta 24 and the Ramones 24+. The quality is so good, even though they are just kids bikes, that I figured that was the bike that I wanted for myself. But then the economics steps in, and my "dream bike" will have to wait. That is, provided my kids take to it, as it looks like they are. (I am a motorcycle guy who no longer rides because the kids are not drawn to motorcycles like their dad, so this is hopefully that gateway drug)

[@richarde1355]

Mike Welpott did you get your bike? Thoughts?

[@mikewelpott8743]

@@richarde1355 No, still waiting. It was said to be early August delivery...which I am not sure if that meant delivery to Luna or my house. I must now assume to Luna. As it stands, I have no idea when it will ship to me (I am 6 hours away). I do know that I have the silent gear upgrade along with the 860 display upgrade. I assume that the silent gear upgrade must be performed at Luna...meaning that the bike must be uncrated to be modified to silent gear. The 860 display probably just gets dropped in the box. I did try to contact their chat support to get some sort of update, and I have visited their FB page, but so far, no updates.

[@richarde1355]

@@mikewelpott8743 Wow; good luck. Sounds a bit messy for me. I hope it works out for you.

[@NWforager]

this is easily one of the most concise and informative reviews for laymen out there . With SO many ppl home needing to productively get outside It would be Great to see more owners /testers doing long form reviews of the different aspects of the LUNA line and even more comparisons . ⚡

[@kaywoodparsons7967]

I ride Specialized and thats all I own. All around bike. Especially the iconic stump jumper, can't go wrong. My all time favorite bike. Shes an old gal, 2010 StumpJumper FSR but shes never in last place! I also own a 2008 Specialized Big Hit and it's still a ton of fun for a tank lol. But Today I am stepping out of my comfort zone after seeingt his review. X1 adding to CART! At the end of the day and in our current situation with all the crap going on it's all about the money anyway. less than 4k upgraded X1 or a 9k stock Specialized. Sorry gals, X1 has entered the dance floor! Mic Drop!

[@uploadtime1780]

How's the bike doing for you?

[@joshmorman8854]

To be fair the X-1 "as tested" would cost you 3990 with the $300 wattage upgrade and another $200 for the silent gear upgrade, but it still comes in $1000 less than the base Levo.

[@PopDeek23]

Spectacular review! Learned a lot about what to look for in an electric MB.

[@wsl5585]

I'm old school to the extent there is a market for the SL. Plus I'm to old to change from dealer support. Very informative video.

[@Upthegicker]

Much more honest review than i was expecting1 well done.

[@TheAgentAssassin]

I'd like to see the X1 with a rohloff hub , belt drive and a bigger front sprocket. It seems like a bike more suited to more of a cross country mountain bike than an enduro.

[@do-ineedtosay723]

This is a most excellent video. Matt doesn't say that one bike is a POS so that he can make a sale. He was down right honest in his review.

[@Navillus2273]

This was the review I have been waiting for. Thank you! In addition, I really appreciated the update at the end, which seems to be comparing apples to apples a little closer.

[@ChristianJohnsons]

I wish they would make a class 1 version. That is really all we can expect to become legal on mtb trails locally for the foreseeable future.

[@tylervankampen6160]

They don't make a class 1 because Luna is a class well below Specialized. They don't understand how the MTB industry or culture works. There are plenty of MTB trails and parks that still don't even allow class ones. So adding the throttle and more speed to the X1 makes it a very undesirable eMTB. The X1 is a dirt bike, not a eMTB. Buy a class 1 if you want to ride MTB trails. Buy a X1 if you want to ride with dirt bikes.

[@ChristianJohnsons]

@@tylervankampen6160 I own two class 1 emtbs. This is definitely not a dirt bike and could be made to fit class 1 rules with the right software.

[@tylervankampen6160]

@@ChristianJohnsons Class ones are the best and love mine. Class one up to 20 mph only having pedal assist. Class two having pedal assist and throttle up to 20 mph only. Class three can have pedal assist and throttle but only the pedal assist can go beyond 20 mph up to 28. I don't believe the X1 fits in any of those categorizes. I'm down here in Florida and if you want to ride MTB trails on a eMTB. Its has to be a class one.

[@thebootfitter]

Great review and comparison, Matt. I've been loving my X-1 for sure. Thinking that I may upgrade to the silent gear, since that came out after I ordered mine last November. I've already got one buddy eyeing the X-1 for purchase based on my experience. I'm sure there will be more when I get out riding a bit more.

[@bluesti3]

You can do the silent gear yourself with basic mechanical know-how... worth it!

[@CSAFMedia]

Very objective review...value for money Luna X1 hands down! 👍

[@CaviDS]

I think it depends what you want if you want a crazy powerful bike by all means get the X1, but if you want a mountain bike to ride like a mountain bike with assist that complements the bike not changes it then get the Levo. More power is not always what we want on a mountain bike. Sure it is fun but if you really trail ride then you might be like me and want a more natural feeling mtb. I currently own a couple of E-bikes and one of them is a Kona full sus. with a BBSHD with Ludi controller. Like everyone else I thought I had to have the Ludi. I was wrong, I honestly never use the power of it, and it made the throttle uncontrollable. I ended up programming it back so it puts out the equivalent of the stock controller, and now it feels better on the trails. There are situations one might want a powerful bike, just not for my riding.The Levo just feels fluid and composed, dare I say natural.... But I would buy the base model.... Also just to be clear, I do like the X1 and I love my Kona with the BBSHD

[@bluesti3]

Yep, you're exactly right. That's why I pretty much came to the conclusion that it's a toss up ENTIRELY dependent on what your preference is. The funny thing is, most people "think" they need the extra power... but they really don't. Hell, I rarely actually ever use Turbo mode on my Levo even.

[@CaviDS]

@@bluesti3 yeah if you trail ride alot then a little bit of power goes a long way. For example twords the beginning of the video he climbed the concrete hill on the X1 with only throttle. I would never do that the throttle for me is emergency only if I am almost to the top of a hill and I need just a little extra. i also rented a levo and I found that I really did not need the turbo mode unless I was on a very steep hill, and I am a big guy at almost 270 lbs. on my kona with the BBSHD i rarely go over the 250watt mark. On paper the big power sound aluring and great, and when you get the bike sure you pull a couple of wheelies and fast runs then reality sets in.........

[@mikewelpott8743]

I went with the standard configuration as I like riding bikes. It should arrive in a month. I can see the appeal of Ludi, but after reading everything that I could on the X1, the consensus was that Ludi was a nice to have, but certainly not a "must have" considering that the standard bike is still more powerful than your mainstream ebike. I hope that I am not wrong, but all I really care about is getting to the top and having the energy to explore and then ride back down. My first ride in a long time (just the other day) on my analog bike (without the kids) and I about killed myself trying to get to the top without stopping and walking...needless to say -I had to stop and walk. So, I will make that climb, on that bike...as I have set a goal, but when riding with my buddies who have been climbing said hill for years, they will not have to wait up for me once the X1 arrives.

[@NWforager]

2 seconds in you already know .. No Contest . Luna All Day , Every Day 💪🏾🌛

[@ngenes1]

X-1 vs Levo 10 out 10 times I will buy the X-1. Even at resale value X-1 a no brainer. Fun factor X-1, Kickass X-1. Thanks Luna for exposing these snobby over priced bikes.

[@NotBull068]

Got my X1 today. Only took a week to get it delivered to TX. Took it for a 18ish mile ride on roads, greenways, singletrack, and some small dirt jumps. It's an awesome bike, and I love it. I almost wish I'd gotten the silent option, but meh. It's not that loud.

[@snapfly7]

How long did the processing/handling take before they shipped it? Been a week since I ordered and still hasn't shipped

[@mdwallace]

Order the gear off the website. Video guide posted on changing it out. Not hard to install, plus the satisfaction of learning your ride better

[@NotBull068]

@@mdwallace Good advice.

[@NotBull068]

​@@snapfly7 3 days for me. They might be backed up now?

[@muddypawsadventurer7775]

Enjoyed the review. It just fueled my desire to build another bike, (I build my own frames) but an ebike with the bafang 610 drive and the silent gear.

[@84imreplica]

Great test/review. Well done.

[@LunaCyclesLLC]

We sure enjoyed it also!

[@ahighervibe4086]

@@LunaCyclesLLC does the Luna come in Brighter Paint schemes like Lime Green, Red, orange, etc?

[@glockasauruswrex6362]

Great comparison! X-1 is on my bucket list for sure, sweet bike! I'll take one in RED!!!!

[@GreggScharnagl]

would love to see an update to this with the x2

[@scottjameseaton5503]

For me there is no comparison. Price and performance. The Luna smashed the over priced levo. Always found specialised bikes over priced and frankly they don't warrant it. Another great bike to look at is a Frey. Same motor decent spec and even less than the luna

[@Kubs777]

Great unbiased review. Keep up the good work 🙌

[@epjo122]

So concluding this video. Luna is way more powerfull but since EU doesnt allow anything near that power. The choice would be to go specialized. Luna is like 5kg heavier (thats 25% of the specializeds weight extra!) so thats also a really big thing. If you are off roading with 250-750w every kg saved makes a big diffirence.

[@yogajitsu6757]

5kg more with 1000 more watts

[@epjo122]

@@yogajitsu6757 Yeah but like I am saying thats not allowed here so subtract those 1000W again ahhaha

[@cyprusdaedalus]

@@epjo122 I just put Carbon Wheels on the X1 and it shaved 6lbs so same weight and it was a $500.00 upgrade. Bike is now 50lbs in Large size. More powerful, cheaper, same weight.

[@panhandlemtb4308]

This video is comparing a class -4 electric bike to a class -1 electric bike. The X1 is in the same class as electric dirt bikes except it has pedals. I think the x1 is a cool rig but its kind of ridiculous to compare it to something that its not. This luna x1 is fine if ridden on private land or places where one can legally ride an electric dirt bike. You cant LEGALLY ride a class 4 ebike on any dedicated mtb trails in the states that I know of. I think Luna should design and produce a class 1 ebike so they can really stir things up in the emtb world. If they can sell a class 4 ebike for 4500, they should be able to sell a decent class 1 ebike for the same or cheaper. I put some serious thought into buying an x1 until I found out I basically had nowhere to really ride it….at least not on any singletrack

[@ArshadAli-gz1oy]

Great video! How is the range on the X1 compared to the Levo if you are not using the throttle just pedal assist? I believe you can change the power assist level from 1-5 to 1-9 to make it smoother and to find that sweet spot.

[@bluesti3]

Arshad Ali Depends what power level... if you kept in levels 1-2 then it would probably be comparable to riding the Levo in level 2.

[@stevenleslie8557]

Depends on your level assist. I can tell you if you are on assist 2 and continual throttle you can expect around 20 mi. I'm 200 lbs and change, so it could be better. If you are not using the throttle at 2 then you can probably expect 40 mi.

[@NotBull068]

Luna Cycle puts out good stuff and stands by their product. I gotta get me an x1 i think.

[@proto12qs]

I heard they don’t stand by their products, pretty much the only thing holding me back from pulling the trigger. Anyone care to elaborate?

[@Navillus2273]

@@proto12qs Yes, I have heard this too. Their products look awesome, however, I consistently hear the customer service can be somewhat rough around the edges.

[@bluesti3]

I think communication may be a little slow at times if they're swamped... but they ALWAYS stand by their products and do the right thing, often times even if stuff is WELL past the warranty period!

[@Navillus2273]

@@OnlyCalvesLife where do you think most bikes are made?

[@NotBull068]

@@proto12qs They replaced my BBSHD when it stopped working. Sent me some replacement parts to try first, but eventually they sent a new motor.

[@bradleyvile4465]

Great review, the Luna looks awesome! What rear hub do they run? Just doing a m600 build and not sure what freehub will handle the power!

[@atyt11]

DT Swiss Handles my Ultra Motor perfect. Ripped up 2 standard hubs in less than 2 months. The DT swiss is still fine after 12 months and counting.

[@ahighervibe4086]

Luna needs to find a shock mount/position that allows a water bottle mount!

[@mightymike9721]

I know this is a 3 year old video, but it’s a great comparison video. Any update to compare the X1 to the X2? And do you know about the Canyon Spectral:ON CF 7? Can you compare to that e-bike?

[@PeopleVoicesForObama]

Great review. Can you do a comparison between the Luna Fixed and the FLX Babymaker Pro?

[@Jamminn555]

Absolutely outstanding review. Thank you so much for this.

[@jerrycrunch]

I love my x1, it's a simple choice. Great review!

[@richarde1355]

Two months you wrote you love your X1; still digging it?

[@jerrycrunch]

@@richarde1355 YES,....

[@dalegiancaspro6863]

@@jerrycrunch My hybrid was heavy to me at 34lbs. My carbon roadie seems pretty light at 18 lbs. but this Luna, which a hardcore mtb guy I know swears by, seems pretty damn heavy at 60 lbs.

[@sigmaoctantis_nz]

I've built myself an e-mtb using a Bafang BBSHD and now I'm looking at something like the X1 with an enduro setup rather than trail. The BBSHD on 21S is really too powerful for off road stuff and I would like a torque sensor for better control during climbs at low speed.

[@shannonr6976]

I had this idea in my head for a while I would like to share . I was thinking of a fly wheel to generate power back to the battery and for regenerative braking. Maybe it's not a new idea but I never seen that. I have seen just a fly wheel for regenerative braking. But that's all it was used for. Hope this might help someone out there.

[@salamalycoom]

The M600 used in Europe and Australia is de-tuned for legal use. It's a much more user friendly motor. I love power but 2000 watts on a 54 pound bike! Wow.

[@electricdreams8137]

Loving the Luna

[@frankiehoosier9165]

I like this presenter....he articulates very well and seems to be provide an honest review/comparison. However..............a VERY IMPORTANT item: With Specialized you have a brick and mortar store to shop along with a full service dept and outstanding warranty support of their products. I had experience with Luna a few years ago and it was shall we say in a “nice” way.....horrible horrible horrible ! So bad that I have not done business with them ever. You’re welcome :)

[@evilldead6824]

i want to see an updated comparison with the X2 and the Levo now that its 2024! and the X2 with upgraded ludi controller and 60v is still cheaper than the base carbon levo which also took a price cut the X2 is $4370 820 watt and the turbo is $4999 with a 500 watt battery

[@Rnegade944]

The Levo colour scheme!!! WOW. All we get in Aus for a Levo Carbon Expert is a sage green / bad carbon finish :(. Love that colour!!

[@PeopleVoicesForObama]

yeah huh? Luna needs to step up their color choices and scheme! :-)

[@skinnyjoe77]

Is this the Turbo Levo Expert Carbon that lists for $8,275? I don't see this color scheme on the Specialized website.

[@exileTHC]

What I wouldn't do for an Ebike. I love the suron but I'll never be able to afford one. I just watch these vids n dream. ✌

[@marshallamplification60TSL]

Really great comparison video. I must have the X1

[@jasunsmith9136]

Can it take a black down hill trails at a lift park daily? Will the motor last being pushed hard once a week for 2 years?

[@ChannelZeroOne]

I would like to know how does it handle decent sized jumps like you would see at park. How does it take a very hard landing? Can it be hucked to flat? I know the levo can take it, but can the luna x1? My main hold back buying this bike are these questions? A good bike should be able to handle hard landings. A reply could lead to a bike sale. I am in the market to finally make that e bike plunge.

[@gerrywong295]

Yes I have the same concerns.

[@ChannelZeroOne]

@@gerrywong295 2 years later I am back in the market for an ebike Answer from these guys stillnot solved. FYI Niner WFOE9 lasted exactly 2 years before catastrophic motor failure at 951 miles. It may get warranted but I buying a new bike regardless.

[@marionomadic6227]

X1 takes it all the way!

[@LunaCyclesLLC]

Definitely makes a compelling argument, doesn't it? ;)

[@brett-thomas]

Great analysis and very helpful. Thank you

[@Jameshhl]

Only XLarge size available on Luna site, any idea when will the other sizes be available?

[@ManuelHernandez-bg8bl]

I'm ready for my third ebike. I'm 64 and just getting into biking. Im used to running but running is getting a lot more challenging. I love that this has trottle like my Radrover did. I like the dual shocks and not so fat tires like my MateX and Radrover, cause I like pedaling, but love the trottle when I get tired. I ride mostly easy trails. How is the Luna to ride with power assist off? Does it ride like a normal bike? Would you recommend this bike for me if I was going to change to a comfort seat?

[@nobody617]

Also nice to tap the throttle when u can't peddle. Can't peddle with lean angle but you can throttle. It's great. I'm ex pro motorcycle road racer :) my ebike is insane and people must trip out seeing me tear the town up on me ebike. I have the most insane ebike on the planet and nobody's seen it. Yet. Long long story but it will be told. Thanks god i hid it all away for so long. Decades. And it dominates. I'm back and excited. Full blown downhill bike beyond. 11x,8.

[@DariusBarazandeh]

Quick question... on the X-1 if you pedal without any assist is there drag from the motor? I know some ebikes have that issue... just wondering on these.

[@bluesti3]

Darius Barazandeh, You Wealth Revolution Network No, if the motor is off the bike basically free-wheels. No additional mechanical resistance.

[@ArbitraryLifestyle]

There's no software to modify the power levels and such on the X1???

[@callofdutyfourt]

Hello, I am 6'0" with a 32" inseam, looking at your X1 sizing options. I only see 2 options, Medium 17" and XL 21", which would you suggest, given that pedal distance isn't as important on the assist bikes. Also, I don't care to be excessively hunched over when standing.. Thanks.

[@bluesti3]

Just wait for the Large to be in stock?

[@callofdutyfourt]

@@bluesti3 I went ahead and ordered a medium, let the chips fall where they may.

[@georgelathemjr]

I am 6’3 and ordered the XL. I want the seat on the lowest position so not to be leaning over too much.

[@nobody617]

Should be ok no matter what. Peddling is a whole different deal now that a motor helps so much.

[@david029014]

could I buy just the x2 frame?

[@user-yd1vi9zf6w]

Any updates on the sur ron battery and controller? Anything? Even a little tease? Lol

[@DKLVE]

That is a very,👍 nice bike, 2000W that's the way to go💪

[@LunaCyclesLLC]

We agree!

[@ericevans6187]

Great review, I bought the X2.

[@chapter4travels]

How would the newer X2 change the review, if any?

[@Ricom69]

Hey Matt, did you do a round trip ride at Catalina with on the Levo with one charge or was that a one way ride only then charge again to get back?

[@CncObsession]

When can I get a Wolf Pup? Or 3.

[@mrphotomanTIM]

Is the suspension capable of jumps without bottoming out with a 180lb rider? Thanks

[@dandavidson481]

Matt, Thank you for an excellent review and comparison of the Luna X1 Enduro Vs Specialized Turbo Levo Carbon Ebikes. I was ready to order the Specialized Turbo Levo Comp when I came across this comparison review. I like to do a good amount of research and have changed my focus to the Luna X1 after seeing your review. Also, while looking at the Luna site I found the new Apollo. When will you have an in-depth video review of the Apollo? How can I contact you direct? I would like to discuss the differences between the X1 and the Apollo. Thanks!

[@Jameshhl]

What's the shipping cost for the Luna X-1, since you can't just walk into a bike shop and get one like the Turbo Levo.

[@IchimokuCloud]

Really, this is not a fair comparison, it's a slick sales video for Luna. First, the comparison of a class 1 to a class 3 (this is a speed pedelic with a throttle) bike is bogus. A throttle may be great for street but on the MTB trails getting respect for class 1 bikes is hard enough, but class 3 bikes are poison on the trails and a big reason why there is so much friction between analog MTB and eMTB. Weight is not on the comparison list, although mentioned in the video and a big factor for many riders. Also water proof of the motor unit, which is where a lot of trouble starts for eMTB owners. Extra power sounds good in theory, but unfortunately chains have not kept up so more power means more chain problems. Even on TL its an issue. In fact the market is going the opposite way - Specialized has introduced lower power motors with super light weight spec which gets the bikes to analog level weight with a lower power spec. The price of Luna is awesome, but no dealer service. Specialized stands behind their product and dealer shops can handle any problem. I like that Luna has Minnions, normally I would expect cheap Kendra tires. A lot of riders would prefer those to the Butchers on the TL. One thing I will say is the ebike tech is moving so fast that within a few months everything will change again. I own a Haibike Xduro and TL and ride the TL almost 90%. Its the most awesome bike I have ever owned and my formerly loved analog Yeti is sold.....I would definately not consider a class 3 bike for trails. OK for city and maybe fire roads. The final base TL vs X-1 is more fair, but if carbon is so great, how come the X-1 is so heavy?? Apologies Luna, I'm just sayin'.....

[@georgelathemjr]

I love power. I am not spending over $4000. Made this an easy decision. Plenty of people want more power and will use it. As for sharing the trails with other bikes, be respectful and don’t be showing off.

[@memkev101]

You have that ,Hybrid Diamondback thing

[@tillsy23]

Id have the x1 if there was after sales support here in Australia, if I have an issue with the levo I just take it to my local bike shop for warranty repairs, what options are there for x1 owners?

[@thebootfitter]

For bike components, you can have your local bike shop do the work without any issues, I would guess. For issues with the motor or display, Luna support via phone or internet is pretty solid. Of course, any parts shipping, etc would potentially be an issue.

[@kevinshort3943]

The Levo is a trail bike, the Kenevo is the Enduro bike. Yes the X1 will be faster on that hill, as you will be going over the speed limit for the Levo. RobRides did a comparison of the Euro version of this motor vs the others, and it didn't do so well ............

[@jeffp5418]

So if you're out on a fire road and hitting the throttle only on flat ground how fast can you go? That is with no pedaling, it wasn't clear in the video if that 28mph was with throttle only or with pedaling. Thanks

[@Jujubees225]

With the gearing it looks like it will be only be limited to 25 mph.

[@fromagperspective9428]

Got an X1 with ludicrous snd silent gear. My issue is no matter the gear or whether Im coasting, paddling or throttle the gears make a constant clanking noise. Cant find any info on this put a support ticket but what Im seeing Luna support is lacking. Any help would be appreciated!

[@garyagostini3426]

Try rolling the bike backwards there are some 3 pins on a clutch or engagement gear that occasionally get stuck in the standing position do to grease. The noise should go away if not do it again.

[@silvere36]

How much more range do you think you'll get if the X1 is the stock 750W?

[@staticminds2715]

love this review.

[@vmao4868]

Is there drag from the X1's motor if you ride with the power off?

[@ibbob31]

So what size framed X-1 did you ride? And how tall are you? Want to order but @ 5ft 8in the Med or Large is haunting. Thanks

[@bluesti3]

ibbob31 This is a Large, I’m just under 6ft.. They run a “tad” on the large side. I’d say a medium is best for you!

[@straight2curveus]

I'm 5'8 I would like a med or small.

[@vlogitroy7599]

I am 5 7 should I get the small?

[@georgelathemjr]

I ordered the X1 today in XL. Accidentally selected gloss black. Sent email asking to change to matte black. Hoping that finish is available but it did allow that option so I guess it is. I did see August for delivery but hoping that was not for the XL.

[@BLR1GBattlemaster]

So this or the Trek Rail 9?

[@mattkoski1207]

I’m ordering the x1!!

[@DariusBarazandeh]

Great stuff guys...this DEFINITELY swayed me to get an X1... I've noticed some in RED. Do you have any or plan to make any?

[@LunaCyclesLLC]

The red bikes were just a one thing deal we did through last Christmas...we have no plans to make any more red bikes.

[@DariusBarazandeh]

@@LunaCyclesLLC great darn...thanks for letting me know!!

[@noel5141]

Luna Cycle Ebikes im looking to buy the x1 enduro today in large but all i see is a small option only . When are you planning to have large avail for taller riders ?

[@dennisboyd1712]

Thanks, Go Luna X2 Enduro

[@videosforcatsanddogs214]

I hope the Luna X-2 will have a much larger battery pack (1500+ WH would be nice) and a grip-twist throttle instead of the thumb-throttle that always breaks!

[@jaycarneygiants]

I'm not sure how saying an electric bike is most like a regular bike is considered a compliment. If I wanted a regular bike I wouldn't spend $8k on an electric bike. The Luna realistically crushed the Levo but somehow having less power became a positive as the review went along.

[@mikepopp2463]

Very good video! Thank you!

[@fwvanoorschot6507]

Very pleased with product

[@CelsoMollo]

How having more power can be a bad thing when you can tune down and use the power you need or want but still have the power when you need? In my opinion, if you allow me to say, is that, if one want a electric bike to feel like a regular bike, they should buy the regular one

[@danielsal5442]

Finally an objective review, made by.. Luna them selves....

[@cghoward70]

Upgrade the X-1 to the same components and you’re still 2/3 the Specialized price.

[@richarde1355]

My concern would be future service. $4k in an X-1 is an investment for most folks. We all know Specialized has and will be around for a long time; I believe Luna just celebrated its 4th anniversary. I tend to hold onto bikes for a long time - I could see myself owning this bike in 10 years. Is it worth the extra $$ to ensure a company will be around in 10 years to address repairs? Also nice to be able to walk into a Specialized shop to get service and attention. Just pointing out some benefits of going the Levo route. Sometimes a purchase decision shouldn’t be all about the $$.

[@cghoward70]

Richard E Yep, if you’ve never built, modified, repaired or upgraded an electric bike, it’s best to pay the extra money if you’ve got it.

[@andybcardoso1978]

I'd like to see the luna x1 vs frey ex

[@chrissinclair3136]

luna would be banned on many trails I would have thought?

[@brianseaders]

current x1 is programable and mot of the disadvantages you mentioned could be solved buy turning the x1 down so the bikes were competing at simaler power levels i don't think having the option to use more power can be counted as a disadvantage and i don't think its fair to compare the handling and feal of both bikes at max power when you can turn the x1 down but you cant torn the levo up. "It also has the advantage of not having the crappy Bafang CANBus firmware which requires special box and special permission to program."

[@nohandle257]

Obviously if one wants a decent bike with decent power at a decent price ... Luna is the best out there. That being said I don't think they understand what it's like for us just 'trying' to get into this world. Yes, we're noobs. Uninitiated. The lowest form of life. BUT we're your yet unrealized market. At least many of us have tried hard enough to understand this new world that we even KNOW about Luna Cycle. Some of us have even read most of Karl's articles and even some of Matt's. BUT ... we can't really get in the door. We cannot get enough information on actually buying a bike to feel even a little bit safe. Do we just have to plunk down some money and hope we get a bike within six months? It feels like that. Luna needs to put out real information on the supply chain and availability of bikes. I've even gone to the forum and its a dead zone. 95% OLD information. No real activity. I know covid has royally offed things up. All the more reason to clue the public in on the state of things. Just assure me I can actually get a bike and you will actually treat me as a valued customer once I take the plunge. Please. I really want an upscale bike and I have the money.

[@LunaCyclesLLC]

yes we are here and we can provide that bike....we have many bikes in stock as well.... call our support team or email us....

[@jpslaym0936]

Riding up the cement incline - thats not 2000W of power (2.6 horsepower). If it actually had that much power it would have accelerated and not just held ˜4-6 mph climb speed it showed. I think they are overrating the power, I wonder if its more like the 750W that Bafang middrive is designed to deliver

[@garyagostini3426]

It depends on which gear he is using. I have the 2000w on my x1 and the 750 on a home build. The 750 is much smoother and silent but the 600 2000w will dig very deep I have not run out power yet using the throttle and or peddles on a steep technical uphill.

[@scootfeet8206]

4 months of waiting for them to restock an extra battery and they still don't have them.

[@jtimmis]

whats the difference in newton meters between the x1 and the x1 ludicrous

[@jackreacher1963]

I would take the luna x 1. Its got the bafang motor. The specialized is for grandma 👵. They put the smaller 600 on x 1 it would be nice with the 620. It all depends on how much you want to peddle. You just put it down to level 3 the x 1 kicks the shit out of the specialized. Would buy a moped or a gsx r 1100. The specialized is a moped.