Lunar Lake Intel Core Ultra 7 258V Hands On, Zenbook S14 First Look

[@qvivnb]

A proper comparison between the 780m, 890m & 140v needs to be done with and without extras like frame gen and FSR. You could run things like the GTA V, shadow of the tomb raider and Cyberpunk benchmarks on 720p, 1080p medium to high settings without frame gen or FSR to get raw gpu results.

[@leonxus2701]

the battery is where x86 was brutally bad, thank you ARM for making X86 efficient. healthy compitition helps us consumer

[@danebeee1]

Yeah it was mostly apple though not Qualcomm. I see a lot of uniformed people saying things like “snapdragon made intel be more efficient” because the snapdragon x chips came out a few months ago but they didn’t realize that it’s takes years to develop these chips. So what likely happened was one of the first generations on apple chips made intel see the benefits of this type of architecture. So yes still credit to arm but specially apple.

[@leonxus2701]

@@danebeee1 that's why i said ARM. I never said Qualcomm. Arm architecture efficiency made apple who they are and made Qualcomm come to the pc segment market. If there was no arm to begin with there would be no Apple silicon. Who knows

[@danebeee1]

@@leonxus2701 yeh I know you weren’t saying that I was just saying I have seen that being said a lot. Yeah I am super excited for the future of arm. But even lunar lake proves x86 can be solid for batt life. The stand by time is apparently really bad though. (The phawx video.

[@ranjitmandal1612]

🙌

[@israelramirez0202]

I've always had anywhere from 9.5-11 hours of battery life on my Surface Book 2 13in with an i7-8650U and gtx 1050 mobile. I don't think you have ever used a premium x86 machine. battery life hasn't been an issue for years unless you buy trash laptops worth $50.

[@razorgcy]

Oh boy, imagine the second gen MSI Claw 🤤

[@gentlemanjones8469]

Portable heater 😋

[@betag24cn]

even less cores, even more noise from heat and the same crappy performance, msi will be so happy, for the money intel will give to them, because these things do not sell

[@Dracula-m2k]

​​@gentlemanjones8469 😂 I mean atleast it will keep me warm during the winter 😎

[@Swarailiaball]

@@betag24cn ah yes cuz less power = more heat

[@betag24cn]

@@Swarailiaball 36 watts is less for you, so you must like to see the thing smoke the battery and make lots of noise? it is barely better when compared to current claw, that thing lasts for a hour, this one will last, a hour and a half?

[@marcelomoura6685]

I like Intel, AMD and Qualcoom products.

[@someguy321]

Title says 256V but video is 258V

[@mechanicalmonk2020]

This is the editorial quality we have come to expect from ETA ❤

[@robertlawrence9000]

@@mechanicalmonk2020 Humans be humaning 🚷

[@_mamide_]

The only difference between the two is the RAM Capacity ... 16 GB vs 32 GB

[@kllrbeas]

@@mechanicalmonk2020 Yeah you would think as much as we pay him, ummmm....nvm

[@gentlemanjones8469]

@@mechanicalmonk2020 Yeah, I'm surprised there wasn't a weird audio cut in this video like usual.

[@ItsMeProday83]

Thanks for your effort man! Can't wait to see the full review of 258v

[@Historiasincriveisparamaiores]

ETA PRIME Ultra 7 256V ONLY HAVE 16GB RAM WRONG TITLE

[@itsmilan4069]

ETA 256V is 16GB ram varient while 258V is 32GB varient ig this wasn't a scheduled post but you seriously you gotta recheck when it comes to thumbnail and title

[@robertlawrence9000]

Crazy naming scheme they using 😵‍💫

[@Frozoken]

​@robertlawrence9000 i think clearly disclosing the ram the laptop has in the name is great and discourages companies from sneakily cheaping out

[@josiahmoorhouse8036]

How does a channel this large not have proper proofreading done? "Is the new Lunar lake iGPU water than the Radon 780M or the the Radeon 890M?"

[@SOF006]

Exactly, no excuse really. And its a reoccurring theme with all of his videos.

[@victorricardorezende8079]

lunar lake IGPU > Radeon 880m Lunar lake IGPU = Radeon 890m (some cases intel arc gpu wins)

[@Patrick73787]

You need to edit the title, it's the 258V not 256V

[@NoobNotFoundDev]

Intel and AMD sucks at naming thing right now lol

[@SylvesterAshcroft88]

This sounds quite similar to my old toshiba satellite, which is an absolute workhorse, and still runs pretty well after using it for 8 years, and it seems like asus has some incredibly good laptops available at the moment for the price.

[@imreloadin]

The reason that they only have an 8 core/8 thread CPU is that with the Core Ultra 200 series Intel stopped doing Hyper-Threading.

[@Son37Lumiere]

They did away with hyperthreading and limited it to 8 cores because it's more efficient on the new Lunar Lake architecture; and efficiency and much better battery life was their primary goal.

[@imreloadin]

@@Son37Lumiere That's what now having to compete with ARM will do to you.

[@rhysmuir]

That Msi claw 8 with it’s 80w battery is looking pretty promising

[@Perfect_person_who_has_4_lags]

Why buy Intel when AMD handhelds Are the same price and you get more performance

[@rhysmuir]

@@Perfect_person_who_has_4_lags These reviews are showing better battery life and equal or better performance games to amd. For a handheld gaming device, those sound like good reasons to me

[@Perfect_person_who_has_4_lags]

@@rhysmuir but way more expensive

[@shk0014]

@@rhysmuir don't over commit, wait for reviews, you don't know how it will perform at scaled down voltages.

[@bigbrawler7078]

I swear seeing the "first" comments is so annoying. Like what do you even want for it? Medal? Money? Balls in your mouth?

[@filipyt3400]

yes

[@dadaroja2455]

their mother must so proud of wat they are doing

[@robertlawrence9000]

@@filipyt3400 NOT AGAIN MOM!!!

[@juice7661]

The latter one would be a dream come true for me😁

[@howthereyou9227]

Just ignorè it...... Its been happening since the inception of comments

[@zlz95]

According to Intel, 200V has a minimum base power of 8w, which I think can be applied to making fanless variant of laptop or tablet or handheld. I wonder if there will be any manufacturer making one in the near future....

[@Crustenscharbap]

Thanks for the review. This Core Ultra is absolutely great! Its seems to be slightly slower than older chips but its much more efficient. This is what I've told so often. Most mobile chips were too fast and often needes 60-70W. This makes the PC loud und bulky. I wait for a NUC with this CPU and put this into a fanless Akasa case. (You have also made a video about it)

[@itsmilan4069]

I hope there'll be camm2 models next year

[@robertlawrence9000]

Probably not since these have integrated RAM build in unfortunately.

[@reiniermoreno1653]

Lpcamm2 would become a thing when DDR6 be officially released

[@runninginthe90s75]

Imagine Intel Lunar Lake on handheld, not to mention XeSS hardware level like DLSS. It gonna be insane for handheld !!

[@NothingNewNerd]

Msi claw is releasing January next year, though it'd be better for it to release by holiday season

[@abdulkadiraminu262]

Finally!!!! Been waiting for these so long

[@majkronyk]

Competition is always welcomed:)

[@irata2006]

Lular Lake looks really good, even compared to AMD's Ryzen AI. It also looks like Battlemage fixed 1st Gen ARC's (Alchemist) shortcomings. Overall, thanks for the awesome first-look video.

[@shankroidbeast4644]

Unless battery life is a priority for you $1,500.00 is a lot for a laptop that doesn't have a dedicated GPU and has weak multi-threaded performance. It does have a very nice screen to make up for some of that though.

[@flakeinfire]

It is not only battery life. I would gladly choose 1500 $ laptop with 100% better user experience, meaning less heat, less noise, less weight, smaller charger, better battery life, perfect for average compute needs and gaming on bit lower setting. As opposed to 1500$ dGPU noisy, hot, heavy, bulky power hog whose only advantage is to game with med to high settings.

[@israelramirez0202]

multi-thread performance isn't "weak" by any means. it isn't going to top charts, but it wasn't meant to. it's an efficient mobile cpu that was never marketed as Intel's highest-performing chip. it will blaze through 99% of workloads for 99% of people with zero discernible difference in performance compared to a i9-14900k in real world use. benchmarks do not tell the whole story.

[@EnyoStudio]

Now I'm interested in seeing the 130V in the Ultra 5 series. I've been waiting for Zen 5 and Lunar Lake to replace my ancient desktop. The new mobile APU's are kicking Butt! Going to be a good X-mas! 😁

[@JailBotRu]

Wow! Thanks for review!

[@bmqww223]

INTEL MIGHT KICK AMDS TEETH IN WITH BATTLEMAGE OH YESSS

[@robertlawrence9000]

You know what, if AMD decides to not serve the high end GPU market, I wonder if in a few generations, Intel could step in and fill that position. It would be interesting to see and also Intel kind of does have a head start on AMD with AI upscaling for GPUs. We really need someone to compete with Nvidia.

[@bmqww223]

@@robertlawrence9000 you don't say? seen how amd singing different tune now? lol they want to capture market share with rdna 4 and fsr 4 ai upscaling I say my ass, truth is they want to protect their market share from intel.... intel has pulled a common sense move with this one, they have sent out a battlemage in non gaming laptop , so that even with hardware hiccup they can dismiss by saying that the chassis is stopping them from they will smooth the drivers with lunar lake /xe2 here and theyll get the dev optimizations too here and when battemage discete gpus come it will be a tight comeptition for rdna 4 given how good intel was with raytracing at first place

[@AstralQuarks]

What if Qualcomm acquires itel then 🔥

[@robertlawrence9000]

@@AstralQuarks Not happening

[@bmqww223]

@@AstralQuarks it would have been a chance but they almost managed to acquire 8 billion dollar in a week, order from AWS, almost 2 or more billion dollars from the chips act, plus they probably got some grace orders through governemnt intervention, and do yout think they will just let their crown jewel go to qualcomm? XD

[@fxrisxmxli]

When will laptop companies learn that going thinner is not always better.

[@skyak4493]

This does look impressive. It has been a long time since I considered an intel laptop to be the top pic. The memory on chip (like apple) realy opens up the performance.

[@HP4L16]

One thing I really dislike is the use of upscaling and frame gen in these benchmarks, it's impossible to get it's actual performance from it. We need native performance to establish a baseline, upscaling should only be an extra on top of native. Also trying to make everything run over 60 FPS is kind of pointless in a review, that's something end users can do and can be a seperate video. Running at native 1080 low and medium will give us a much better understanding of what the hardware is capable of.

[@ytn00b3]

Intel is really pushing it. I'm comparing this with up coming AMD

[@mrxmgs3768]

Hopefully a Linux review can be done in the near future, i would love to see how Fedora and/or openSUSE runs in these new Lunar Lake machines.

[@andymuzzo8568]

Damn that looks sleek

[@DrakeTech-kh8hs]

It's not revolutionary as Intel painted it... 3nm chip using 8533mhz memories, it can compete with Strix 4nm @ 7500Mhz

[@ranjitmandal1612]

Can't wait for more reviews

[@mutchlouis9707]

2024, having USB C with at least full functionality on both sides should be a standard. Especially with that price tag.

[@robertlawrence9000]

Cool! It would also be interesting to see this up against AMD's offering using an external GPU with an external monitor to have a like for like scenario as much as possible and so it performance results could focus on how well the CPU actually is instead of just the iGPUs. Also different setups of laptop screens could have an effect on power consumption if testing out how power efficient the CPUs are. Nice video! I look forward to seeing more on these chips!

[@Mamiya645]

It's not about being unable to upgrade the ram, it's about being doomed if the ram goes bad and flips a bit. I have had too much bad luck with ram for reasons beyond my control, like buying new and getting something that had no right to pass QC, twice in a row at worst. Third of the same product from the store was fine of course.

[@jipiboily]

This is super interesting! Couple of questions for you folks hanging out in the comments: 1. Is there a chance that we get an equivalent to this, using same architecture but with Nvidia GPUs in addition? 2. What will be the Bazzite support for this thing you think?

[@zeroturn7091]

Ready to move away from Dell and HP laptops. Are there any hinge issues or problems solder joints breaking on the motherboard on this brand?

[@Son37Lumiere]

Asus is not a great brand. Certainly not any better than Dell or HP.

[@Marauder-q2v]

The 12th gen model of this laptop has hinges that are glued on top the lid. I suspect it’ll be the same for this one too.

[@Diamond_Hanz]

Intel making AMDuuuaahhh again

[@henaka]

Lunar lake 🤤

[@Son37Lumiere]

What this doesn't show is that while 3dmark shows the 140V faster than the 890m, in actual games it's often slower. Still, a very good improvement for Intel's integrated graphics.

[@NoovGuyMC]

It's not, it's beating radeon 890m in most game, by like 10-20%

[@cozidonapreguissa]

You have to test it without any upscaler, test it raw graphics so we can really see how much fps it does.

[@TechnobikerID]

Every manufacturer must really push their low wattage products before the release of M4 and taking their shares again due to lack of performance of previous meteor lakes or compatibility issues with the snapdragons.

[@helloken]

4:16 You got it right earlier in the video. The memory is on the package, not in the die itself.

[@Canarious]

I would love to see if there is a difference between 8GB VRAM and 16GB VRAM when gaming

[@robertlawrence9000]

I think these have non replaceable RAM built in and only come in 16GB and 32GB variants at the moment.

[@Canarious]

@@robertlawrence9000 You're right, also I had forgotten that this also takes advantage of DVMT. Windows by default will reserve half the RAM your system has for dedicated GPU graphics, but this is an, "up to" variable. Hardware reserved will be utilized at all times and dynamically use more when necessary. This is similiar to the Auto VRAM setting on AMD GPU devices such as the ROG Ally. Some games perform well when using DVMT and some do not because some games are programmed to look for how much VRAM your system has to optimize itself. When it sees less than 1GB dedicated, it compensates for it, and you get poor performance. That's not the case here since dedicated doesn't exist, only Shared GPU memory does. This answers my request, there wouldn't be a difference.

[@erictayet]

For thin & light, it's normal for soldered RAM. The DIMM connector is chunky. Want upgradeability? Buy something like a Vivobook. But it's much heavier. Would like a head to head review with the AMD 365/370 laptop. Should be interesting. Not going with Snapdragon this generation.

[@lubossoltes321]

Except that these Intels do not support RAM upgradability at all in any form factor.

[@Frozoken]

it's not soldered it's on package. On package has much more performance and efficiency benefits but is more expensive

[@lubossoltes321]

@@Frozoken from upgradability prtspective that's even worse. There are options to change soldered packages, on die not so much.

[@Frozoken]

@lubossoltes321 No its not because soldered memory is way more anticomsumer as theres almost no benefits to it whatsoever. This is a trade off

[@erictayet]

Soldered RAM can operate at higher speed. Any DDR5 ram above 7000MT/S require a shorter trace to the CPU's memory controller. CAMM2 is seeking to change this but if you look at 8000MT/s ram, it needs to be super close to the CPU to avoid issues with signaling. This is why it's hard to operate at 8000MT/s on DIMM slots with DDR5 but you regularly get 8000MT/s LPDDR5 on high-end laptops. Agree RAM on CPU is impossible to upgrade but that's the price to pay for Intel iGPU to outperform RDNA3.5. Hoping to see Gaming laptops on AMD Strix Point using 8333MT/s RAM. Still waiting for the ROG FLOW X13/Z13.

[@prashut]

Great review. What are the desktop video wallpapers?

[@barabrainrot]

can you do a comparison with the snapdragon chips? really interested in the difference in battery life

[@robertlawrence9000]

If snapdragon will actually run the applications he would like to test.

[@davidnarcissus39]

waiting for the S16

[@samal90]

would love to know how battery life is impacted in standby mode. Like leaving the laptop 24h in standby and then checking how much the battery drained.

[@tourswithalex]

Thanks for review.

[@yvindaandalen6708]

I wanna test the price? Over here in Norway it is above 2000$.

[@tchallawallace7968]

I'm going wait for strix halo or panther lake. The gains of this generation seem to be power saving specific. Z2 according to the latest leaks will have only 12 cu instead of the 890m 16.

[@ricarmig]

I’m glad Intel entered the fight again, AMD (and now Intel) showed us that we can have almost ARM-like battery life with better performance and still x86 compatible. Qualcomm and Microsoft made a bad decision not forcing DRM manufacturers to make their old and present software ARM compatible nor a strong GPU. Intel / AMD have a much better GPU, fully compatible CPU and great battery life. AMD’s chips shake very good at lower TDPs, let’s see if some reviews test these chips at 15W.

[@Amrrkevin]

We need laptop displays to support ltpo & battery boost when u change display resolution from 4k to 1080p just like mobiles

[@havocthehobbit]

lock everything at 30fps and put setting from medium to high, with upscaling or frame-gen and we have a console quality gaming PC and a really good office or college notebook. Console sales will go down if they bring the prices of these to slighly above celeron prices and these will sell like hotcakes over xmas ,if bundled with 2 controllers and a few already free indy steam split screen games or 3 month xbos game pass. since it will double up as study tools and entertainment units for kids.

[@andrewt9204]

I know its better for efficiency and a slight bump in performance, but on-die RAM a deal breaker. Just ordered a 155H with sodimm. Wasnt comfortable paying 200+ to go from 16 to 32GB. Otherwise lunar lake looks pretty good.

[@hakimbdrt6953]

Who need dedicated graphics card now 🤔

[@NothingNewNerd]

Battlemage! Yippeeee

[@oldgangster4119]

Snapdragoons

[@henrydrago]

Stop using upscaling methods to make comparisons! XeSS and FSR use different scale process for each option(Quality, Balanced and Performance) FSR uses 2X for balanced but XeSS uses 2.2X that is basically FSR Performance preset who also uses 2.2X scale, that's misleading both from companies for changing the scales in their latest versions without disclosing it and from those who use them to compare and do not inform consumers/viewers

[@EinSwitzer]

Super proud , making my 4050 go uh oh

[@juanaldaba95]

What beats the 2023 Zenbook Pro 14 OLED w/RTX4070 without taking away features that come with it?

[@rajmangalpandey3910]

Nothing

[@juanaldaba95]

@@rajmangalpandey3910 yeahh I didn’t think so

[@become-software-architect8043]

But less cores

[@juanaldaba95]

@@become-software-architect8043 the Zenbook Pro 14 OLED has 14 cores/20 threads

[@juanaldaba95]

@@become-software-architect8043 the Zenbook Pro 14 OLED has 14 cores/20 threads. What are you talking about?

[@iniyan19]

Hi , whats the power draw while gaming? Is it plugged in ? Or just battery?

[@rodolforubens]

Can you test without those AI upscaling/frame gen features?

[@sheldonkupa9120]

Of course, first thing you slam games on it😂 Thats why i came here👍😉

[@kresimirlukin7543]

I like to se comparison to AMD Strix on Linux, because of rumors that Microsoft braking AMD in favor of Intel

[@israelramirez0202]

X Elite made irrelevant overnight. Qualcomm must be fuming lmao.

[@zay6612]

I need a tablet with that Chip in a Minisforum v3, or a surface pro type device.

[@Jada_Maru]

Can we get some settings other than low? Cyberpunk at 90fps low 1080 is great, but at this point can we please try medium or something to see if the game gets 60 with decent graphics?

[@maytinhdibo]

compare it with Z1E.

[@donoturnback]

Finally it beats AMD in terms of iGpu gaming. AMD lead on igpu is history now. You also get top iGpu performance with (i)7 CPUs and only one missing Xe cores with (i)5 CPUs unlike AMD where top igpu performance only comes with Ryzen 9.😢. The battery performance with video playback os insane. 23 hours like whole day and night on single charge.

[@TalynOne]

I'll wait until these are $500 in a few months.

[@vinyfiny]

Good luck with that. Ultrabooks drop in price pretty slowly.

[@israelramirez0202]

Intel sells the most cups in laptops globally compared to any other chip maker. this ain't happenin lol

[@KeyT3ch]

Your title is misleading, you're reviewing the 258V, not the 256V

[@PlayNeth]

Please, stop including fake frames in the benchmarks. It's misleading as it doesn't account for real world performance.

[@chromerims]

Very educational video 👍 Thank you, ETA Kindest regards, neighbours and friends.

[@KeyT3ch]

Could you install Linux to see how it functions on it? Ideally something that's more recent/Arch based like CachyOS or Manjaro so you can take advantage of the Linux 6.11 kernel. It seems like it would be a battery beast running on Linux EDIT: Nvm, Let's wait for Linux 6.12 in November, that's when Intel Battlemage GPU is enabled by default out the box

[@DerPhiL]

Can anyone do some Lightroom AI noise reduction benchmarks with those current notebook APUs?! would be awesome! :)

[@marcelomoura6685]

It is amazing machine!

[@Seb00lean]

How does the gaming performance compare to the 890m?

[@lantvant5712]

Where is Fallout 4 😢

[@RenPat]

yup

[@forty2retro]

Early first look

[@fdgdfgdfgdfg3811]

not gonna lie the first sentence Hey its ETA prime is becoming annoying you should consider change that.

[@infinitbz]

Cpu usage and temp 🤡🤡🤡

[@kennethlee1977]

does it have instant on feature during sleep/wake like in ARm laptops?

[@chronicle_4]

Proof that our boy doesn't read the comment section. Fix your damn title

[@destrayo3049]

dude what is that wallpaper with the changing backgrounds.

[@rluker5344]

FSR looks so much worse than XeSS. Especially the motion graininess.

[@StefanBlurr]

12302pts in R23 for this price? No thanks.

[@cia4gent128]

RIP Snap Dragon

[@ChaotixAsbestos]

damn it feels like I just bought 1st gen laptop not long ago, times fly by

[@morten1]

Don't watch these videos about new laptops Just enjoy your machine until a replacement is needed :)

[@ChaotixAsbestos]

@@morten1 i like to have more cores tho so all good

[@galiplecter]

Love it

[@become-software-architect8043]

Is it ok for programmers? Like ditnet developers?

[@larscwallin]

Can I play Star Wars Outlaws on it, you think?

[@cooldude8100]

What about the thermals?

[@JayzBeerz]

Nice ❤

[@nick-dogg]

Can you test out some warzone gameplay? =)

[@Historiasincriveisparamaiores]

ETA PRIME Ultra 7 256V ONLY HAVE 16GB RAM WRONG TITLE

[@artvram]

Test with Bazzite please

[@dreamsky66666]

视频出的很快啊，很看好这代core,有可能会打败AMD的核显。