Speedrunners Just Broke Luigi’s Mansion….again

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Just over a year since the Luigi's Mansion any% speedrun broke the "final" minute barrier, a new discovery has completely blown the speedrun wide open...again.
Edited by: ‪@OfficialGlitchDoctor‬
Special Thanks to the following for research assistance:
GlitchDoctor/GlitchPhD: ‪@OfficialGlitchDoctor‬
minimini352: ‪@minimini352‬
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#speedrun #luigi #nintendo

[@LunaticJ]

Background songs used in order: Luigi's Mansion Theme - Super Smash Bros. Brawl Boom Boom's Theme - Super Mario 3D World Professor E. Gadd's Lab - Luigi's Mansion Mansion (Exterior) - Luigi's Mansion Bomberman Hero - Redial The Mystery of Glitz Pit - Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door Underground Room - Super Paper Mario Pokey's Theme - Earthbound Library Piano - Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon Possessed Clockworks Battle (Medley) - Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon Pennington's Theme - Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door Bowser's Galaxy Generator - Super Mario Galaxy 2 Haunty Halls Galaxy - Super Mario Galaxy 2 Speed Run - Super Mario Galaxy 2 Tostarena Night - Super Mario Odyssey Staff Credits - Luigi's Mansion 3

[@quintonconoly]

Ok

[@cerealbloodx]

thank you!!! I was about to ask which songs from ttyd you were using since it's sounds so familiar

[@rndmmeme87]

did you cerealsly like your own post? XD

[@LunaticJ]

@@rndmmeme87I didn’t like it. I LOVED it

[@thedotgiver2820]

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[@TurboV8boi]

If you think about it... Luigi walking through doors, walls, ceilings, walking in all different orientations.... I think LUIGI IS THE GHOST.

[@Jackson44872]

well no- wait actually he's got a damn point.

[@dougglez16]

That’s a groaner. 🤦‍♂️😂

[@aonoloki]

He supposed to fight them, not join 'em !

[@quincyzhou2296]

⁠if you cant beat em, join em!

[@mrt1880]

It is Luigi's Mansion

[@Xeronoia]

I know these things are often very precise frame perfect things that need ideal timing or setup, but its always really funny to me when a new breakthrough in speedrunning happens and its "They pushed up on the c stick" or "they used a known phase-through-walls glitch to phase through a wall" (Golden Eye) after 10 years of people not thinking to do that.

[@tylercunanan8255]

I remeber them talking about this in prey. where they were all confused how a runner was clipping through the wall. and the main reason is he was playing on ultra high graphics while everyone else was doing potato graphics (my guess is lag). parrently wall collision is dissapears between low and medium quality

[@skyemegakitty]

I think the situation is in part related the classic exploration-exploitation dilemma. You only have so much effort/resources you can devote to your pursuits, and so you have to find a good balance between looking for more promising rewards (glitch hunting) or collecting the rewards you've already found (trying to get a world record run). If everyone just had the goal of lowering the game's overall time as low as possible, we'd see much more time spent exploring for more optimal glitches/routes. But because speedrunning is largely driven by glory, we see much more energy put into performing the best at the currently known route. Another side of it is that much of the time, the people able to do the runs aren't the same people finding new glitches. They're separate skill-sets, though obviously there are some people who can do both. I would also imagine just based on the barrier to entry, that runners are much more numerous than bug hunters.

[@chucklesdeclown8819]

@@skyemegakitty another reason I think is notable is I notice in everything. people don't normally think of the simplest way to do things first. most people will do the "it cant be that obvious" run around before implementing the obvious and the obvious obviously beats the current thing. i'm not saying its never the opposite sometimes its just everybody looks over the simple stuff because "it cant be that simple" a lot and it leads to situations where you wonder how it took so long when the solution was in front of everybody's faces all along.

[@Aryasvitkona]

I think the c stick one was that no one had ever seen it do anything normally. Then one guy happened to see it do something and everyone lost their minds seeing new possibilities. A lot of the walk through wall ones are usually terrain being super fucky in OOB areas. I remember in.... I forget the game... One of them... I discovered that when oob you had to basically walk on textures of walls and one step either side either made you fall to your death or fall inbounds. I think it was borderlands 2 in hindsight. You can't just wander where you want it's super anal. In other games the concern are certain flag zones for enemy/boss/item spawns that try and FORCE you to go the normal route

[@Aryasvitkona]

@@chucklesdeclown8819 rereading and this is also definitely a factor. This also holds true for life too, it's why the IT "turn it off and on again" is step 1. Instinctively it can't be that simple. Yet often it ends up being actually that simple. So when you take this human nature out of an easily replicable and experienced situation (tech not working) and plonk them into a game where they barely understand how something as simple as movement works, they lose their mental checklist of stupid obvious things to check and need to make a new one basically. And well.. sometimes things like moving the C stick are never remembered to be put back on that list... Cos it can't be that simple.

[@charlienoakes2984]

Never played Luigi's Mansion, never done speedrunning, but for some reason absolutely addicted to these videos!

[@Starveed]

I played Luigis Mansion for the switch (first Luigis Mansion ever) and I'd say it was not bad

[@birdie8006]

i didnt understand a word he was saying but was still doing the poggers face the whole time, i love it when documenters like summoningsalt and lunaticJ get so enthusiastic. the speedrunning community seems so wholesome, lol! ive only played LM3 and cant wait for LM2 to be remastered for switch.

[@vegito2000]

I really like watching videos about speedrunning, to see how much a game can be broken

[@SecondBestArtMuseum]

Japan: “speed runners will always use Japanese subtitles.” Pal: “… uh, we’ve got mice?”

[@BLJMARIOSM64]

What kind off mice you mean pikachu

[@retro6416]

I'm real proud of ya for where you've gotten since I last saw you man. Great work!

[@LunaticJ]

I appreciate it! Happy Halloween!

[@TheNewBronyGames]

Former runner of this game here. Just finished watching this and the previous video. 1) Its crazy to think of how much has happened to this game since i shelved my copy 6 years ago, a Chauncey and King-Boo 1-Cycle were unthinkable at the time 2) The whole concept of In-bounds skews had actually been seen long ago, and even i never thought anything of it. Former PAL WR holder DeathJohnson has a clip still on his twitch channel today where he got what looks almost like that perfect skew. Its titled "Luigi's great faceplant." In hindsight, that answer was right below our noses the whole time 3) On the topic of PAL, i find it funny how so many years ago, i actually caused a category name-change because i uploaded a Proof-of-concept to the forums where you would drag the golden bats over to the area after wall-skip to do the first main skew (since the purple bats traditionally used dont exist in that version), thus making PAL OoB possible, and yet to this day its never been utilized, but has now made it the theoretical fastest version for this unholy category

[@doctorreed_]

glitch being revealed as the editor was fun lol

[@goosevillenews7932]

Reminded me of the one fighting game that summoning salt covered and it turned out he has all the wrs lol

[@smbsmw1111]

I honestly half-expected glitch to be the owner of the channel, I feel like it's a well-established trope at this point

[@apollojusticefanboy]

Great video. I remember loving your original Luigi Mansion speedrun video as someone who was unaware of Luigi Mainsion speed running as it was so cool to see how optimized the run was. When I learned about the new trick and saw the 5:14 run, I was shocked and amazed and knew there was a good chance you would make a video. Excited to see where the world record stands in a few months with this new trick.

[@minimini352]

Great video again! Really Taylor deserves just as much credit as me for discovering the new clip, he was the one who started looking on that day, and then I joined in to help and just happened to be the one to find it first. I gotta say though, I do believe in the foyer clip someday... sub 3 minutes when

[@kaiirunz57]

It is possible to get that skew in parlor but it's not strong enough at all to be able to clip.

[@giriiko]

Hi Mini! Am I wrong to assume that no one ever tested to manipulate Luigis angle with the C-stick previous to your finding? Or was it something new that caused you to try it once again?

[@minimini352]

@@giriiko I believe I was the first person to try it, I basically tried to figure out why the GBH clips only worked up/down and realised that it's because any other direction will cause you to turn in the GBH, and then found that pressing the C stick up will prevent that from happening

[@VocalMabiMaple]

​@@minimini352it's funny how often new glitches are found by trying one more button on the controller.

[@Kya10]

The fact that GlitchPhD became your editor is absolutely wild, I love that ^^

[@ThaRixer]

Great video, grats to everyone who helped make this route possible

[@your_local_ginger9931]

I remember watching people do the original runs as a kid. Never thought it would ever be broken beyond that point. This is absolutely insane, kudos to everyone involved!

[@FlaukeLP]

Another amazing video doing Luigi's Mansion justice, Glitch Edited a fantastic video. Cannot wait for Pablo to get another "Unbeatable" WR for us to find another 2 minute time save.

[@OfficialGlitchDoctor]

dw Flauke PAL Anteroom to Floor 1.5 clip will do wonders 😎 and thank you! 😄

[@Kyulnjir]

I was JUST watching Linkus cover this game

[@UltraHylia]

Same lol

[@McMuffins42]

Mee to

[@nickel7o740]

Me three.

[@Akid1021]

Same 🤣

[@RealPendragon]

Me aswell

[@WillowEpp]

The editing at 13:35 with his bewildered expression is really funny.

[@prizm9515]

I feel like a lot of the time people see a crazy any percent route and assume that there's nothing more to discover. I'm glad someone decided to look into this ancient route finally.

[@thehellsage]

And I thought the sub-8 was insane enough, and nigh unbeatable... Never doubt the glitch hunters.

[@Warclam]

Skews are already pretty crazy, but the ones for the Chauncey skip looks completely unhinged. I love it.

[@btarg1]

0:13 that's me! My point still stands, I love these speedrunning videos, keep em coming!

[@Sleepkirby6472]

A glitch that lets you go to the final boss without killing Chauncey? Yes please!

[@HDSpeedruns]

Another banger video. Just when you think the game is finally optimized it always gets busted wide open again, and Nick did an amazing job with the editing as well. The LM community is truly one of the greatest speedrunning communities out there! I can't wait to see what's in store next.

[@RoseFielden]

Man that's awesome. As someone that ran this back in 2012 its nice to hear something new being found for it even 10 years later

[@gonaldocr24]

It's now possible to beat Luigs mansion quicker than a casual super mario bros run.

[@rompetiss]

I had to listen to the start of the video 10 times. I still hear "Incwedibly broken speedrun" due to the sound clip playing at the same time lmao

[@rompetiss]

Also, not sure why you're not blown up even harder yet. first video I've seen from you, and you got some good quality my man! I enjoyed this and have to see more!

[@crazeyfwend8]

I was just watching your coverage of the Luigi's Mansion speedrun earlier. I was wondering after that video if the record had changed. Lo and behold, it did 😂 Amazing work from the speedrunners and for you for doing all of this 👏🏻

[@Mini3x3Music]

It's always heartwarming to see fellow Mini(s) achieving great things! 🥰 Minimini352 - evolving the Luigi's Mansion any% meta. Miniland - achieving a 4:54.914 run in Super Mario Bros.

[@LunaticJ]

Minimini352 also prominent in Wind Waker speedrunning as well. Just didn’t really mention that in the video

[@apairofhands3464]

Idk why but I always like it when these speedrunner analysis videos address the playable character by their name. Acknowledging that Luigi could randomly get spooked by ghosts upon entering floor 1.5 fits Luigi's character a bit and I'm not sure ehy

[@DomyTheMad420]

the thing i love about these videos is that all the glitchhunters get credit. :) makes it a nice motivator to be one

[@Ryan-ni7mo]

Whenever i see a overview of some old game ive never played and how its speedrunning history changed, i always watch. Its just so interesting to me

[@ToasterCorgiGaming]

Speedrunners are some of the most crazy-determined, and disturbingly-creative playerbases in gaming...

[@blakbludmusic2109]

Ight from now on we only count speed runs off your first play of the game so you can use that fast ass vacuum

[@blakbludmusic2109]

Jp I’m just salty I can’t get the glitches down

[@DarkAuraLord]

imagine unironically saying a speedrun "can't get any faster" it's like you're TRYING to awaken Sockfolder from his ancient tomb.

[@Wolf_Zero]

I was literally waiting for this. Incredible video :)

[@jashketchum1844]

7:17 GOAT transition

[@taze7]

I've never played this game in my life, I didn't even heard about it, but I watched the entire video with ease, you are doing a great job man!

[@Silas_MN]

LM was my first exposure to speedrunning, something like 15 years ago. absolutely stunned to see how far it's come

[@ebonychan]

saw chauncey skip and instantly went "oh christ what have they been up to over there" and i was not disappointed. mother mercy, you've been busy bees

[@jkid1134]

Oh my gosh they're getting so close to passing the Super Mario Bros WR

[@RedpilI]

I HEAR BOWSERS GALAXY GENERATOR! banger, not used enough in these types of videos

[@Mari-Schimmer]

I just checked and TODAY the record was beaten... by milliseconds. Both 1st and 2nd place are at 5:02, with milliseconds of difference

[@Minty_Meeo]

It's kind of sad that the elusive Chauncey one-cycle was finally found, only to be completely obsoleted.

[@LunaticJ]

It’s only obsoleted in any%. It’s still very relevant in the No Out of Bounds and 100% categories

[@jiranthaninlai5612]

@@LunaticJ and 100%

[@Sizzyl]

this lunatic is my new favorite speedrun content creator

[@Snezzyboi]

And then minimini got a 5:02 WR on 12/03/2023

[@MyAmazingUsername]

I like that you pronounce horror as "whoar" (intentionally misspelled; replace the ending with "ore"). 😂😂

[@bajorekjon]

If there's one thing i've learned about speedrunning, it's to never claim that "this is the final minute barrier".

[@Drrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrl]

Thank you for using Bomberman Hero Ost! I loved that game so much and it just makes me want to play it right now!

[@jackson7099]

I think your right. I think at this point the only thing that would make it faster is ACE, but even that could be potentially slower.

[@jcmee91]

This is why I like Luigi's Mansion 3 where you can't do this shit. You have to beat the floors in order.

[@guyinaroom7771]

Top 10 as of 07.03.2024 minimini352 5m 02s 933ms PabloRuns 5m 07s 133ms jovin 5m 14s 933ms GlitchPhD 5m 37s 867ms Levi1022 5m 42s 667ms Chill Wizard 5m 50s 833ms RedsMSR 6m 04s zero_status 6m 18s Skozzy 6m 18s JTown2909 7m 38s

[@wasuh464]

Holy shit. I just learned about Chauncey one cycle for the first time in this video. Everything else just broke my brain. This is so wild! Great job everybody

[@naerolf09]

I cant believe you dont have more than 100k subs Your videos are amazing Cheers to many more luigi runs

[@dailynonsense9360]

Funny, i was just replaying this game today. Always fun to se new discoveries.

[@daniilpashuk6017]

Wait wait wait. You have the one of the leads in discovering the glitches and speedrunners AS YOUR CUTTER?! Wth of an epic flex is that?

[@williamdrum9899]

It's funny how all the planets have to align for these things to work

[@Tinivee]

Thank you for releasing this on halloween and holy cow I did not anticipate Chancy skip ever existing!

[@NicholasFowler]

Stumbled across this video just now. Love speed run videos. Looks like PabloRuns just made a 5:07 run. So cool.

[@tysondennis1016]

Good way to finish a year, the same way it started: A Luigi’s Mansion video

[@Kosmicd12]

my man is playing redial

[@TheChronova]

i was *just* watching your other luigis mansion video, and youve just made a new one :o)

[@shopnil4]

I just watched your other video a few dats ago. The timing is is pretty good lol

[@riverresident4769]

I can’t believe Lotad blew the record out of the water. 💀

[@jovin3514]

Great video as always. Thank you for shining some light on the LM community :)

[@inspectorvoid]

The summoning salt video will be lit 🔥

[@Kulkogo]

Luigi casually breaking physics just to get his brother back:

[@IvoryMadness.]

Great video! That was an awesome discovery, for sure!

[@wondrouslyperish]

Great video man! Really well done 👍 never played this game, however I am a fan of speed running and will definitely check out LM more. Well done man 👌

[@FatalHog]

This video exists to spite your original estimates of 8 minutes being a impossible barrier

[@Blexmer1]

I don't know, I miss karls catchphrase of calling us legends. But real shit, I enjoyed the in depth breakdown of how things are done, as someone not in the know of all the tech it made sense, good work!

[@xyvernthederg5760]

as soon as someone says the record can’t go lower someone is motivated enough to make it go lower

[@hitavi4965]

Imagine spending months working on your Chauncey one cycle only to find out that someone found a way to skip the fight altogether

[@ShiningSilvally]

DAAAAMN. SUB 5 MINUTES IS *_THAT CLOSE????_* The original Skew Exploit was absurd, in it of itself. BUT THIS?! Speedrunning scares me even more than GhostFace(from a certain point of view, at least), I swear.

[@WvyyFPS]

The best speed game ❤ All of these new discoveries are so fascinating. Great video!

[@megalunalexi5601]

Hey, here to make an unorthodox comment. I'm so happy to hear some Super Paper Mario music in your videos!!! Such an underrated game!!!

[@flyingtomato98]

Always wild to see hahaphd mentioned outside the Mario party discord… I forget people play other games lol.

[@volt392]

Before starting the video I love the fact that I watched the first Luigi's Mansion video literally yesterday

[@comedicidiot]

It's actually insane just how fast you can beat Luigi's Mansion

[@ZeranZeran]

I love videos about these new records and how its done Great job LJ

[@drucy.]

4:50 Oh hey ! My native language on a LunaticJ video !

[@Legitzombieguy]

Never underestimate a speedrunner. They’re a whole different breed of human

[@paulwoodford1984]

you mean they need to get a life

[@JosephCeretor]

I feel like the C Stick Reveal is the kind of reveal that's like... Oh that makes perfect sense.

[@a2rhombus2]

I miss running this game. Used to be 12th place in no oob... 8 years ago lol

[@erikaz1590]

"This game can't get any faster." -every speedrunner before something else happens.

[@theshiny_lotad4661]

The last thing I expected to hear in the middle of this Luigi's mansion video is Lotad

[@geneon101]

Here after watching the first video. 👏 Thanks for making these.

[@purplestarchu9376]

0:55 WYSI

[@Hezkezl]

On November 8, PabloRuns got a 5:07 for a new record!

[@diannakerns1404]

The more we speed runner's play the Luigi Mansion series, the more it breaks.

[@MarkusHobelsberger]

The year is 20XX. The Luigi's Mansion WR is clocking in at minus 20 minutes and speedrunners are still finding new strats to cut off time.......

[@artey6671]

I love Luigis Mansion (only the first game, sadly). This is just insane. It's like a different game from the one I've played.

[@TheTotallyNoob]

As a part of the playerbase I have to say it. 0:56, WYSI!

[@Nickk7878-v8t]

Can you talk about speed running and glitches in the 3DS version because they patched out that one glitch from the game? What about other Luigi’s Mansion games? Maybe there is something interesting there.

[@LunaticJ]

Ya know, I could make it a halloween tradition to release a Luigi’s Mansion video…

[@selairium]

I always thought the baby boss screamed:: VIAGRA VIAGRA!!!

[@SgvSth]

(7:02) - Time to catch some Pokémon in the mansion.

[@steadfastwolf2159]

I would imagine the next optimization is getting the skew earlier with a different language, or finding out how to skew without mobs

[@jetpackdog3427]

This game is held together by a single fucking toothpick

[@OfficialGlitchDoctor]

Now we just have to wait and see how thin the toothpick really is.

[@CDJAM-webm]

0:53 WHEN YOU SEE IT WHEN YOU SEE IT WYSI

[@Thibbs-vp6gm]

As of January 31st 2024, minimini352 holds the Luigi’s Mansion Any% World Record with a time of 5:02:933

[@saltysalmoling8055]

I just finished the last video and this gem came out! Glad I could see how the story ends!

[@Magnovi_]

1,000 years ago Luigi came into being. His birth marked the beginning of the end. 1:00