Luton Airport fire - car was "NOT HYBRID or EV" - Fire Service | MGUY Australia

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[@Thunderbloke2]

The only investigation required is to ask the owner for the registration details.

[@bradwilliams1691]

Spot on! Or, better yet - contact the DVLA & ask them.

[@rustysworldofentertainment850]

Or ask their neighbours. It's guaranteed they would have told the entire street they'd bought a hybrid.

[@Thunderbloke2]

It can't be difficult to confirm can it?

[@richardsimpson3792]

If you do, you will see the vehicles is a diesel

[@Thunderbloke2]

@@richardsimpson3792 how do you know that?

[@michaelhart5886]

I call bulls#@t

[@harrytd50]

I'm beginning to think honesty and truth are things of the past.

[@skookumjack]

The fire isnt the scary part. It the overlords being able to manipulate the truth at this level. 1984 is here folks

[@mikldude9376]

I am an ex truck driver also with some time in the motor repair industry , and I’m old , but I’ve never seen a diesel fire act like that .

[@markseehawer3762]

39 years licensed mechanic. I agree. Fuel fires go up not sideways. As for this fire the flames are coming out behind the front wheel, Fuel tanks are at the back.

[@RichardASK]

At the side is exactly where the L-ION batteries are on this model.@@markseehawer3762

[@ashleyralston9142]

I qualified as a Fireman as a secondary trade whilst serving in the British military. A simple C.O,2 extinguisher should have been more than enough to put out a simple Diesel fire. Remove the air, cool it down - fire out.. This sounds like total B.S. to me.

[@TachyonDriver]

Exactly... and thank you for your service.

[@byronlee-wi3zv]

Really a qualified fire fighter recommending a CO2 ( carbon dioxide ) extinguisher be used on a class B fire? I call bullshit to you being a firefighter then. A CO2 extinguisher is limited use on a flammable liquid fire, it is recommended for a purely electrical fire though. Dry chemical or foam extinguisher are recommended for fuel fires.

[@ashleyralston9142]

I was trained back in the 1970's/80's to used CO2, Dry Power, Foam and BCF (oh this is no longer allowed but it was the best fire extinguisher around) and straight water (H2O). The small hand grenade BCF's where great but doubt many people today have every seen them. But we where trained to use CO2 on liquid fuel fires with electricity as long as the voltage didn't exceed 25,000 volt. In the case of the airport fire would have been ideal in the very closed in environment, smother the whole vehicle. Doubt your going to find a Dry Powder, Foam or even CO2, more than likely just plain old H2O in a multistory carpark. None of these would be really any good with an EV fire by themselves. Military both British and Australian. @@byronlee-wi3zv

[@svenjorgensenn8418]

A simple co2 could put out a diesel fire because it's cooling hot spots which is the only way a diesel fire can sustain itself

[@ggee7391]

You would need foam to cool the fire or it would just reignite once the oxygen flowed back in.

[@70chevs]

I guess the government told the fire service what to say, it seems that is a common thing these days.

[@RoverIAC]

Monaro Forever!

[@brianandglendaharkin9457]

Old school MOPAR for ever 👍🏻🇦🇺

[@TheGuruStud]

Or lose their job and pension.

[@cleop610]

and the British Bulls****ing Corporation.

[@SoupDragonish]

He who pays the piper, calls the tune.

[@drowe2]

It’s too bad that most people don’t find out the truth. This sort of misinformation should be punished

[@johnnyjrotten59]

Is it misinformation or disformation? I cant keep up!!

[@randywl8925]

What disinformation? The report? The host? ............the idiots commenting? Use better words so we know what you're trying to say.

[@AndrewTSq]

@@johnnyjrotten59 its a lie

[@jimmydesouza4375]

@@johnnyjrotten59 Both. Mis is incorrect info, dis is intentionally incorrect info to push an agenda. Dis is mis but mis is not necessarily dis. Like how a camel is a mammal but a mammal is not necessarily a camel.

[@JohnDoeSr]

EV's are safe and effective

[@mr2spyderchronicles287]

If they say the fire was caused by a diesel, why are they reeinforcing that it wasn't caused by an electric? The first statement should be enough... Its like someone showing at the hospital with a 9mm hole in his body and saying "this was an accident with a crossbow and tottally not with a 9mm handgun"

[@markligget341]

I was a firefighter for 13 years and I am ashamed of the lies, follow the money, government pays the fire brigades budget yearly so they need to say what the governments narrative is.

[@bsimpson6204]

Same goes for the BBC but they’d go along with the diesel story anyway.

[@ggee7391]

Local Authority pay firefighters wages not central government but they are more likely to have been infiltrated with woke/environment activists and nearly all of them are signed up to agenda 21/30.

[@jimsouthlondon7061]

So did Princess Kate fake her Cancer Diagnosis ?

[@sidecarmisanthrope5927]

It is possible that an ICE vehicle had a lithium ion starter battery which would have gone into thermal runaway.

[@robertkubrick3738]

@@sidecarmisanthrope5927 Where would you find one of those?

[@Plus_Escapee]

If all it takes is one EV to destroy an entire lot, then we must remove the entire lot of EV's.

[@Bluepillphil-d1w]

That’s why they’re lying

[@rustysworldofentertainment850]

So why would it be required to park EVs in a different garage . . . ?

[@gerbre1]

@@rustysworldofentertainment850 Maybe because the charging infrastructure is located there?

[@russthebiker]

​@@001dieselmanyou don't have to park an electric car on the charging bay, especially if it has enough charge for the return journey, and you don't want to pay the higher rates charged at airports

[@knockschool]

@@001dieselman It was a hybrid fire, the white hot flames exactly where the hybrid battery is situated. ????????????????

[@williamtyndale1402]

You can trust a thief but NEVER a liar.

[@intrance96]

@@001dieselman You bots can stop, you don't reach anybody. It's a waste of ressources.

[@carlmorgan8452]

I trust neither

[@intrance96]

@@001dieselman What a slick comeback. I see u guys are evolving.

[@tonysheerness2427]

Every one involved in covering up the true cause should all be sacked.

[@biggils8894]

You can’t sack the government. A lot worse is happening by the way. Way worse! The most horrible unimaginable things are happening from so called governments against the their citizens. Most ppl couldn’t stomach the reality of truth. Yes it’s that bad!

[@simon6071]

And put in jail.

[@rw-xf4cb]

Sacked and for those Fire Authorities taken to court. Its another of those what's the difference between a conspiracy theory and reality - 6 months

[@Barth78]

Jail putting people lifes in danger

[@The_Irish_Volunteer]

I heard that many employees at the airport know the truth. It was an EV.

[@davidpope3943]

I had a fire in the engine bay of my diesel Discovery. It had just been serviced at the Land Rover dealership I’d bought it from. My wife and I were on our way to a Christmas party and as we approached a roundabout I put my foot on the brakes but very little happened. When the car came to rest there was smoke coming out of the near side front of the car and the bonnet. A very quick inspection revealed the source of the fire and just one of the two small extinguishers I always carry was more than enough to save the day. Apparently the workshop had left an oily rag stuffed onto the exhaust manifold. This unsurprisingly ignited. Parts of the burning rag dropped down and melted through the flexible brake hose. I can see no way that the Luton fire was anything but a hybrid diesel as has been reported elsewhere. Flames travelling horizontally need some energy to achieve that. What better than lithium in thermal runaway? It’s like a fire with built-in afterburner!

[@jonathanbuzzard1376]

There are pictures of the vehicle floating about where you can read the number plate. It was a plain diesel engined car because given its age it dated from before hybrid Range Rovers were a thing.

[@grahamwishart4832]

Can't find photos with number plate?. If you can you could check exact age and model.

[@JoeBManco]

As part of my Sheriff's training, we had to put out a fire that was controlled by the fire department made with a mixture of gasoline and diesel. It could be put out with 1/4 of a large fire extinguisher and the flames moved barely faster than a wood fire. That flame in the video is so hot it was almost blue and lacked definition.

[@daddybob6096]

They're telling lies of course.

[@gerbre1]

Of course. 🤣 Approx. 200,000 ICEs are burning each year in the US and approx. 60 EVs.

[@AlexanderDaGreat79]

Hmmmmm, let’s not scare the potential future EV purchases by telling them that EV’s have far more safety concerns than ICE’s. Does anyone else think that the fire brigade were told to produce a false statement?

[@victorgrech1136]

people can't rock the boat if they want advancement

[@DeeDee-pw9pm]

Blatant apologists are always wrong. Blatant because they dare make definitive statements where not all information is available.

[@zwieseler]

No…

[@Dilbert-o5k]

DEI hires will happily do as their bosses tell them. They possibly don't know any different

[@st-ex8506]

Do you think the insurance company (its) will accept a falsified conclusion, which might well be at their (HUGE) disadvantage? I haven't heard of any insurance company sueing the Bedforshire Fire Service! BTW, ALL studies of the risk of fire of EVs vs ICE vehicle conclude that EVs are 10 to 60 TIMES (depending on country and study), not percent, LESS LIKELY to catch fire than an ICE vehicle. But you seem to be among those more concerned about their pre-conceived opinions than about facts!

[@hemaccabe4292]

Yeah, I’m not buying it either.

[@bradwilliams1691]

Nobody with half a brain does.

[@petriko_]

Lol you are strictly not parking next to it either??

[@ejh1100]

And I won't buy one of the shyt things either.

[@hemaccabe4292]

@@ejh1100 I meant not buying the story, but that too!

[@hughjardon3538]

The fire chief didn't say it was a diesel. Instead, he said, "We've been told it was a diesel". He knew exactly what it was because they had the registration number of the vehicle from the cctv an other systems. He most likely used those words because he knew he was lying, and when the truth comes out, he has his getout. Why should anyone need to tell him what it was, when he's in charge of the investigation and he has all the info? This indicates to me that he was lying and covering up that it was an EV of some sort.

[@alli3219]

Just following orders

[@RichardASK]

Said the guards at Auschwitz!@@alli3219

[@childofthe60s100]

He needs to keep his job!!!

[@andynorton1970]

And the registration showed…. It was a diesel!

[@I_Don_t_want_a_handle]

... well, because you don't buy a dog and bark yourself? Management will have been told by one of the staff, or an outside agency. The info then gets passed up the chain. They didn't google the info themselves.

[@pookatim]

We had an underground parking facility at the company I worked for. One day, the fire alarm sounded and we evacuated the building. The fire was started in the engine bay of a 1990 Ford Thunderbird which was gasoline powered and belonged to a colleague of mine. Since this was a high security business, There was a delay of about 20 minutes before the Fire Department was able to access the car and extinguish. The fire was caused by a fuel leak under the hood. The car burned for at least 30 minutes and scorched the two adjacent cars that are also gasoline powered vehicles. And that was it. There is another important point. Fire Engines don't fit inside car parking structures. This is another consideration.

[@simonparkinson1053]

No, but they have the facilities to get hoses from the engine to up there. They also have vehicles with telescopic platforms and remote controlled nozzles (monitors). Foam added to the water would have relatively easily extinguished a petrol/diesel/plastics/R1234yf fire by both cooling and oxygen starvation. But when a reaction creates its own oxygen......

[@JamesSmith-qs4hx]

Absolute liars.

[@BHarris25]

Most military vehicle’s are diesel precisely because they don’t catch on fire.

[@rw-xf4cb]

and Fire trucks (well up until recently).

[@andrewthompsonuk1]

And the military are exempt from emissions regulations. So they are unlikely to have things like a DPF on their vehicles.

[@randomidiot8142]

It helps that diesel is exceptionally dense as a fuel source and can have excellent power output, besides being easy to make with minimal electronics and generally has a pretty long service life.

[@flinch622]

Or if they do [as in an injector line leak]... any extinguishing agent is helpful. Plain water [correctly applied] can cool to the point below auto-ignition temp and (barring hot spots) its done. Takes longer than a dry chemical agent, but it definitely can work.

[@markseehawer3762]

@@randomidiot8142 What you say is actually true. i have a 1994 dodge cumins diesel. it has an electric starter and an electric fuel shut off valve which could be operated by a cable. the truck has no other electrical to the engine operation. as for the fuel it will gel when cold enough. there is no way slow burning Diesel caused this fire.

[@SantaClause-m9h]

take that report with a grain of salt. uk gov has a lot of money tied up in EV's. I don't trust any of them.

[@michelgranger5075]

Which sane person would put his trust in pathological liars anyway?

[@Thunderbloke2]

If EVs don't succeed it brings into question the whole net Zero objective which I have heard estimated at going to cost the UK tax payer £1T. There's a lot of money to be made by a few people from this.

[@gebirg1]

A bucket of salt I'd say.

[@Anonymous-ib8so]

Explain that nonsensical statement

[@Thunderbloke2]

@@Goodnessandlove What evidence?

[@keegan773]

If the VIN number and registration number of the vehicle involved are known then the make and more importantly model can be identified. Are we to believe that this information is NOT available.?

[@kalaharimine]

Never mind the fire extinguishers, what happened to the sprinkler system. Isn't that a legal requirement in the UK?

[@matton36]

Fire liar, pants on fire. Fire debt lies.

[@mr.fingers]

think it was more of a water debt than a fire one.

[@billyhatcher643]

They're lying to get regular cars banned even faster these disgusting people are known to lie never trust these people they don't know what they're talking about battery cars are far harder than a diesel car

[@hendrickswart4122]

Them was a Biological EV (therefore Female), identifying as a Diesel, being manufactured like that. So don't you dare to miss gender them, just because them threw a tantrum according to there's genetic make up.

[@spencereagle1118]

Look at Grenfell, they claim a fridge started the fire, despite the vast majority of its residents being engaged in feverish late evening cooking to beat a looming midnight religious fast.

[@richardwillson101]

Why? What's their motive to lie?

[@jimtekkit]

So they say it's an electrical fault in a diesel car, but the video shows the rear lights are still on while it's ablaze. In a normal car the fuses should be all blown by that point.....that's clearly not the case here. And the car is a new model that is unlikely to have shoddy electrical work done to it. Their narrative doesn't pass the sniff test.

[@cleop610]

Well spotted.

[@rustysworldofentertainment850]

Excellent point.

[@richardsimpson3792]

It is a Land Rover product, and they come with their faults pre-installed at the factory

[@fredmonroe6042]

I agree this is pretty smelly. However modern doesn’t always mean quality. Management wants it quick and cheap, which doesn’t usually mean quality.

[@byronlee-wi3zv]

Not true, the only fuses that would possibly blow are the ones in the faulty circuit and they would only blow if the fault created a over current situation, many electronic components can go up in smoke with out causing fuses to blow. Have you never heard of manufacturers recalls because later on a component in a vehicle was found to be faulty at the time of manufacturing and the vehicle is recalled to be repaired at the cost of the manufacturer? Airbags for example, so it is entirely possible that a new vehicle could have an electrical malfunction.

[@jaysdood]

If you believe that wasn't an EV fire, I've got the Luton Airport Carpark to sell you 🤦‍♂️

[@mikeholling8830]

😂👍🏻

[@davidclemens1578]

The insurance companies need to investigate the fire officials and departments for fraud because it does affect the settlement costs.

[@rustysworldofentertainment850]

And the insurance of every other car owner.

[@kadmow]

- no thanks... lol..

[@SoupDragonish]

Going cheap due to a fire sale. (sorry)

[@nigelcox1451]

In the days after the fire, there was a suggestion that some, or all of the pics were not of the actual car and fire, but library pictures from a previous fire. However, if we accept that pic, the colour of the flames are too bright for diesel fuel. Remember the emissions scandal, because diesel fuel burns dirty. For diesel, the flames should be a darker yellow, with significant volumes of dark smoke. The bright yellow suggests a significantly hotter temperature than diesel can manage. The position of the flames fits well with the battery position of a hybrid Land Rover. Electrical fires around the engine bay will rarely ignite the fuel, but if they do, the fire will be there, at the front of the vehicle. The fire rarely spreads along the fuel line, until the whole vehicle is already alight, and the fuel in the line is a small volume, not enough to give those flames. An electrical fire in the engine bay will quickly destroy the main battery connections, which would extinguish the exterior lights, yet this vehicle is still lit. If a purely diesel vehicle did go up, the heat produced should not have destroyed a concrete car park, that would need a lot more heat. They can produce any report they like, but if it does not fit the results, we will not believe it. Someone has to pay the bill to clean up and rebuild. Insurance companies will get to the bottom of this, as none of them will want to pay. If the car park owners look to the vehicle owner, his insurance company will likely be looking to divert some or all of the blame onto the vehicle manufacturer (if the car is reasonably new, or the fault should not have occurred), or to a servicing dealer if the car is older. Of course, if the owner has been off-roading, the hybrid battery could have been damaged, and any evidence of this may be difficult to find. I imagine the owner's premiums will increase somewhat.

[@vociferon-heraldofthewinte7763]

I don’t think the individual’s insurance will cover this. Typically liability coverage would be $1M to $5M. I can see the totality of the claims in this instance to be north of $100M.

[@tonyking2030]

I thought our fire service was beyond reproach, but this Luton fire shows that political influence was bought to bare. However, when the fire spread to other EV’s, that was the end of that multi-storey car park, so that tells you all you need to know about EV fires, plus the massive clouds of highly toxic gases given off when they go into thermal runaway!

[@jamesrodgers3132]

And that's what we used to think about the NHS, and the RLNI, and Borders Agency, and every other institution that has proved otherwise in the last five years.

[@prussiaaero1802]

Fire? What fire? There was no fire, the parking structure… ummm…. Fell down….. yeah, there was no fire.

[@TheZodiacz]

climate change weakened the concrete...

[@philparmenter53]

It was sunlight refecting off the windows. 😉

[@prussiaaero1802]

"Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus."

[@Audioremedy0785]

It’s funny as there is this narrative of denial, based on all the very objective evidence that’s available, the only denial is by people like this idiot MGuy who is trying to force a blatantly untrue narrative to get clicks and honestly it’s pathetic

[@liberty0758]

So we're supposed to believe that the EVs are "safe and effective"? Yeah nah...

[@simon6071]

The cars currently used by the UK Prime Minister are armoured, custom built Range Rover Sentinel supercharged 5.0 litre V8 models and armoured Audi A8L models.

[@simon6071]

The cars used by the UK Prime Minister have to be fossil fuel powered because they know EVs fires can happen so fast and furious that the occupants would have little time to escape. Another reason is if EVs were used, they would require an impractically large battery to supply the power for the extra weight of the armour. In other words, EVs cannot be the "safe and effective" vehicles for the UK Prime Minister.

[@liberty0758]

@@simon6071of course. No government anywhere in the world uses EVs as a form of transportation. US (p)resident's motorcade consists of 73 vehicles, not a single EV.

[@gerbre1]

@@simon6071 EV fires affecting the battery evolve slowly. It takes several minutes. You only need to look at videos where someone tries to burn a battery in a car for demonstration purposes.

[@davidvanderklauw]

Q. What is the difference between mandated EV's and mandated injections of an experimental Covid vaccine? A. Government insists that both are a safe and effective solution to an urgent problem, but one is brought to you by @fizer whereas the other is taken away from you by fire.

[@stevenmitchell7830]

Politically it can't be a lithium battery fire, even if it involved a lithium battery.

[@teekay_1]

It's not unusual when government covers up their own incompetence, particularly around EVs uptake; what we should object to is the _media_ which seems to go along with to the government.

[@gaiustacitus4242]

An article I've located states the report by the Bedfordshire Police and Bedfordshire Fire & Rescue Service concluded that the car had a diesel engine and "it was not a mild hybrid, plug-in hybrid, or electric vehicle." The article states the "'all evidence' pointed toward the cause most probably 'being an electrical fault or component failure' in the engine bay while the vehicle was moving." The report is also alleged to have determined the driver attempted to extinguish the fire but was unable to do so. If this is all true, then: 1. Why has video not been released which shows the vehicle on fire before it was parked? 2. Why does video not show the driver exiting the burning vehicle and attempting to extinguish the fire? 3. Why has the make and model of the car not been identified so that third parties can research the type of drive train installed in the vehicle? 4. Why is the lone vehicle in the video, which is known to be an electric vehicle and the source of the first explosion, not in close proximity to any other burning vehicle? Note: Another article claims the inferno started with a diesel engine powered Range Rover and rapidly spread when "a number of electric vehicles burst into flames in a domino effect."

[@markusgorelli5278]

Do we know anything about the driver? Because if it turns out to be some executive or middle manager from the car manufacturer in question then maybe it will explain why the information isn't forthcoming if not being actively blocked behind the scenes. After all, if this was a regular bloke who just had his car gone up in smoke and at risk for liability for an entire car park full of cars, then he or she is going to throw the vehicle manufacturer under the car park rubble. That doesn't appear to be happening and one must wonder why.

[@jonathanbuzzard1376]

In the days after the fire there were pictures floating around on the internet showing the Range Rover in flames abandoned in the car park. The registration plate was visible and readable. Checking on the DVLA website showed it was a plain diesel car. In fact, given the age of the car it dates from before hybrid Range Rovers were made. My guess as to why stuff has not been released is the driver is going to be prosecuted. He was arrested on return to the UK. As such the pictures cannot be released before the trial so as not to prejudice the trial.

[@katywalker8322]

@@jonathanbuzzard1376, it was a cherished plate. Look at the online records and you will see it was new than the launch of the hydrid version of that vehicle (not saying either way if it was a hybrid, just that JLR were already selling hybrid versions by the time that vehicle was built).

[@KEB129]

It is not politically acceptable to admit it was an EV fire! "Nothing to see here!"

[@carlmorgan8452]

Powers that be

[@vociferon-heraldofthewinte7763]

@@Goodnessandlove. I’ve seen car fires before. This looked nothing like those.

[@3-DtimeCosmology]

The truth is politically incorrect. 😂

[@molarguy]

Most fire extinguishers cause acceleration of EV fires, wrong tool. Find the cost of that FOAM.

[@TheComputec]

@@Goodnessandlove Because governments around the world are pushing EV's to consumers as "The future"... with little or no choice of alternatives... It isn't very useful for their policies to see the clusterf**** they become when they spontaneously go into reactor core failure in a confined space ... It isn't the promo video they are looking for. The video isn't conclusive but I smell lithium!

[@paulh6395]

Unfortunately the same think happened here in new zealand when a car caught fire in the garage because video footage and drone footage showed it was the starting point but the fire department a few days later said it started at the other end of the house and not the garage.

[@Audioremedy0785]

Why would there be drone footage of the start of a fire? The drone footage showed smoke coming from the garage as it was open. Doesn’t mean the fire started there.

[@paulh6395]

Yes the car was on fire inside the garage through video footage but the report said the car was outside of the garage so not a factor in this fire.Who is not being truthfull here or simply didnt have all the facts.Did the media and specators modify their photos and videos to make it look like the car is in the garage or was the report wrong.@@Audioremedy0785

[@johnstonstewart9683]

It was a Tesla that burned at Gatwick airport last week and ,strangely enough, there has been very little talk about it.

[@lesliereed4047]

Demonstrates the power of Elon Musk to put a D-notice on any Tesla fire incidents.

[@TachyonDriver]

Several other vehicles were damaged/ written off also.

[@gerbre1]

Source please.

[@ChristianDee-s9d]

@@gerbre1 local media reports. A total of 11 cars lost as well. Geoff Buys Cars lists the sources and covers the story, as well as another wrecking yard fire.

[@gerbre1]

@@ChristianDee-s9d The statement of a single airport worker is not a valid and official source.

[@lukeclemo3659]

So the final report will say that the car that was filmed was not the initial ignition car…it was just an innocent EV bystander to the initial ignition (diesel) car. And that’s where most of the report will be focused. There will be little if any talk about the EV on fire and how catastrophic it was to growing the fire once alight. They are writing the report backwards from the already arrived at final conclusion. 😂

[@MrJamesSalter]

I know a few of the big bods who work at LLA, and they have told me that this 100% WAS a Diesel Hybrid, but the Government have forced authorities and LLA to deny it. Have been told it has something to do with the Government not wanting to introduce regulations regarding EV parking restrictions in multi-storey car parks.

[@Wayoutthere]

Ill stop believing in conspiracies when they STOP CONSPIRING.

[@SoupDragonish]

Interesting how the phrase "conspiracy theories" has now been contracted to just "conspiracies". As if they weren't meant to mean completely different things.

[@Dilbert-o5k]

​@@SoupDragonish unfortunately conspiracy theory has become a cover story for the underlying conspiracies. There is so much misinformation, propaganda and outright lying from the authorities and its sycophant media, that the perceived wisdom has become " Q what is the difference between a conspiracy theory and reality? A 6 months" . In so many subjects this is now a truism as the truth leaches out from people in the know.

[@happyjoyjoy6976]

corona to covid, same thing, change the narrative to keep the uniformed looking confused @@SoupDragonish

[@totallyjonesin]

I believe them because they keep coming true.

[@FrankTimms-cs5hl]

That phrase tells me to look even closer and that it’s probably true🤔 “Move along nothing to see here”🙄

[@ZeD69420]

EV fire that was covered up as it goes against the "NARRATIVE"

[@SoupDragonish]

Remember the house in New Zealand that burnt down after people arrived in a hired EV towing a boat. No enquiry needed. The fire chief was absolutely sure it had nothing to do with the EV which was parked in/close by.

[@secondchance6603]

@@SoupDragonish Was just going to say that. Most fire investigations take weeks if not months here in NZ but that one was solved within hours.

[@jakefriesenjake]

1. Kid battery mineral labor 2. Range anxiety 3. Risk of garage fires 4. Paying 20k more than a comparable vehicle 5. every time you fuel up an EV, the fuel tank gets smaller and smaller. Battery degeneration. 6. Poor resale value. The porsche Taycan turbo S model Ev, loses over $100,000 dollars in value, in just 4 years time. That's $100k!, or $25k per year. A Nissan leaf Ev loses over half its value in 2.5 years. Here's a little joke ; how do you double the value of an Ev, when you go to sell it?.... Answer; you leave a $1 coin in the glove box. 7. Much reduced performance in the cold, highway. 8. Higher repair costs, where many, many mechanics refuse to work on them or aren't trained to do so. 9. Awful charging network experiences in the weather, without restrooms 10. Higher insurance rates 11. Replacing tires more frequently. Michelin states that tires wear out 20% faster on an Ev, and could be as high as 50% faster! Ev tires made for ev's, cost 20 to 30% more, than regular tires for ice cars. As Ev tires wear out, they leave behind more tiny particles of rubber than normal ice cars. This causes more pollution. 12. Death by autopilot 13. $15k - $35k battery 14. Low km range per tank of energy. 15. Sometimes, you must wait in-line 1-2 hours to charge. 16. Then wait more time to charge, while charging. 17. Spontaneous combustion, with no way to put out the fire storm. 18. If they catch fire in a tunnel, many people will die. 19. People without a pro charger system or a parking spot at their house, will run an extension cord to the road, which is dangerous and could lead to people tampering with your charging setup (super slow charging at the road). Currently illegal to run an extension cord to the street in most places. 20. If you're in California, you won't be able to charge your car past 4pm because of a shortage of electricity supply on the cheesy grid. 21. It is not actually "green". The pollution is made at the power station, and during the manufacturing process, not the car. In advance of the Cop26 climate conference in Glasgow in 2021, Volvo released figures claiming that greenhouse gas emissions during production of an electric car are nearly 70% higher than when manufacturing a petrol one. 22. Only 5% of used junk batteries get recycled, the rest go directly into the bin. It's cheaper to mine for new minerals. 23. Chhinna actually does 70% of all the refining of the minerals and production of the batteries. 24. Minerals are becoming more and more scarce, and the cost will only go up, not down. 25. Some countries where they mine for lithium, actually use a very big boat load of fresh water to only produce 1 ton of lithium, so they are afraid of running out of water. It takes over 2 million liters of fresh clean water to produce 1 ton of lithium.

[@jakefriesenjake]

26. Ev cars will soon not be able to drive in tunnels or be able to park in underground parking garage and probably will eventually void your house insurance if you park it in your personal garage. 27. It is very hard to charge your battery at super stations when it is bitter cold out. Look to Chicago news for this situation. 28. If a fire truck comes to put out an Ev fire, all the chemicals go directly into the sewer or storm drain system, poisoning everything. They need tons of water to slow down the burn. They can't actually put the fires out, they are only trying to prevent other things near by from catching fire. 29. Ok, there are 2 good things; regenerative braking, which charges the battery while you are slowing down on the highway, which saves your brakes from much wear. It has come to my attention that some people set up their regen system for maximum regen while taking their foot off the accelerator pedal, and not "coasting". For best mpg, you must coast more. You need to "hyper mill" for best mpg. If regen is set too high, passengers will end up puking. This happens because the car is too quiet and accelerating and slowing down to fast. 30. Loss of fuel tax revenue, so now the roads will only get worse, not better. 31. in Dublin, huge diesel generators are being used to charge EV buses, due to electrical grid strain. buses in Athlone also cannot be put on charge until midnight, for the same reason. Bus Éireann is saying that they can't charge their buses until 11pm for the same reason, and to avail of a lower tariff. 32. Not everyone on earth even has electricity to charge their cars. What are they supposed to do in 2035? It's easy to get a bucket of fuel to power up a regular car. 33. VCE, or "vapour cloud explosion" is very bad. If any battery, typically anything larger than an E-scooter battery, and especially only "half" charged. If a problem occurs in the cells, it might not catch on fire right away. Instead, a cloud appears, and then may be ignited a short period afterwards. There are 2 different types of vapour clouds that appear; heavier and lighter than air, which form will be dominate, can not be predicted yet. This produces a bomm. 34. For Ev transport trucks, they aren't allowed to carry the same payload as a diesel truck, because of the massive weight of the battery. The owner of the Ev truck therefore loses potential profit, every day. They also lose more profit for the waiting times for charging that Ev truck. The driver will get paid to charge the truck, which in turn forces the owner of the truck to lose more money. 35. Ev cars are more likely to be written off, if they experience a minor collision. After the collision, something could have upset the structural integrity of the battery. 36. Ev cars lie to you. If you are bold enough to go out on a decent road trip and its 210 miles, one way, and your Ev tells you that your battery will last you 223 miles, there had better be no hills, or excessively cold out.... You'll probably get stranded, trying to get to the charger, at the end of the trip. Ev's have left many families stranded already. 37. Ev's and their batteries, will soon need their very own "passport". With all info about them when born, and current info about them (power output, resistance, mineral composition, etc.) 38. Thieves stealing charging cables, will soon make it impossible to "fuel" an Ev car. They take a long time to replace the cables, just to have them cut again for scrap money. 39. Cars were typically being made lighter and lighter using aluminum and or fiberglass and or carbon fiber, to reduce emissions and pollution. Ev's are only getting heavier and heavier, causing more pollution than ever. Remember, an ev's pollution is made at the power station and the dump, not at the actual Ev, except for the tire particles as mentioned above. 40. More on spontaneous combustion of the battery. What if you had 3 children strapped into car seats, in the back seat ,which kid do you rescue? More fires start so fast, there is hardly any time for even the driver to escape, let alone 3 kids strapped in. 41. There must be a reason that Boeing 787's aren't battery powered.... Until jets are battery powered, I'll be sticking to fossil fuels for my mode of transportation. 42. Can't bring an Ev up north in the woods, nor any battery powered chain saws, where there are no grids to charge them up. You would need a huge amount of solaar panels to get you anywhere. 43. Even Mr. Bean, (Rowan Atkinson) says; "I love electric vehicles - and was an early adopter. But increasingly I feel duped". "When you start to drill into the facts, electric motoring doesn’t seem to be quite the environmental panaceaa it is claimed to be." "It seems a perverse choice of hardware with which to lead the automobile’s fight against the climate crisis." Mr. Bean (Rowan Atkinson) is a smart man. 44. There isn't a used market for ev's. How are teenagers going to buy and insure a $50K Ev... (take your pick: either $50,000 new or a $20000 used EV that needs a $20K battery replacement in a few years)?? A teenager can buy a used $1k ice car and be set up for 5 years, no problem. 45. Even if large transport trucking companies have a service where they could just swap out their pouch batteries for a freshly charged battery, the lifespan of the battery would be greatly reduced to maybe a couple of years. Recharging a huge battery 3 or 4 times per day would really hurt the battery in short order. 46. If an Ev car goes up in flames on a huge carrrgo ship, the whole cargo shipp sinks. Happened many times already. 47. Many many people claim that driving in an Ev makes them, their family and their dogs sick. Motion sickness. 48. With the extended charge times in the public, there is a much greater chance of getting mugged or car jacked. In a tesla, if you see a criminal gang heading right towards you to mug you and steal your tesla, you can't just drive off. You must go outside, disconnect the charger, go back inside your tesla, turn it on, put it into drive mode, and then attempt to flee the muggers, with the little time you still have remaining. In a regular petrol car, all you must do is put it in drive or 1st gear, and flea the situation. The fuel pump hoses have nice quick-disconnect couplings that pull apart when you go to attempt to flee criminals. This saves much time, your car, and potentially your invaluable life! 49. When your Ev is at 10% Battery left, and you head out to find a public fast charger bank of 10 fast chargers, and they are all full, and k? some aren't working, and there is a line up of another 10 cars in front of the fast charger bank, you might not be garenteed that once you actually have access to a "fast" charger, that it will actually be capable of "fast" charging. You see, there is only so much power alloted to a full bank of "fast" chargers. You will get fast charging for maybe 5 or 6 chargers being used at a bank of 10, but connect 7 or 8 or 9 or 10 ev's to that bank of 10, the bank as a whole will throttle charging power output to all cars, so as to not fry all the wiring of the bank or blow the breaker. With 10 cars charging at that bank of fast chargers, it will become a bank of slow chargers. I would have of thought that this would be designed into a fast charging bank. Some charging stations might not throttle you down. *not all of these points affect every Ev, or Ev driver, or every Ev charging station or bank* There's this Ev van company called "Arrival", in the UK. It's been around for 10 years or so. It was worth around $13 billion just 2 years ago.... They didn't sell a single unit, and are now bankrupt. Hertz rental car company backed out of a huge tesla Ev purchase of 100,000 ev's. Soon after, Hertz backed out of a huge purchase of 65,000 Chinese Polestar ev's. They did that because ev's cost to much to own, and too much to operate. The CEO of Hertz, Stephen Scherr, is stepping down from his position late March, 2024. He blamed EVs for the Loss of revenue. The cars were more expensive to maintain than Hertz had initially thought, and the company couldn’t make as much money selling them, when it needed to refresh its offerings.

[@itchynackers]

⁠26. Uneducated public re ev's.

[@Boodieman72]

You have 100 firefighters for a diesel fire, yeah right.

[@riaanlouw1874]

No, you have a 100 firefighters for all the OTHER cars that went up in flames.

[@rustysworldofentertainment850]

And how many of THOSE were EVs or hybrids that went mad at the first sniff of fire? Quite a few, going by alleged UK milk float sales.

[@TheZodiacz]

@@riaanlouw1874 from a diesel fire?

[@Boodieman72]

@@riaanlouw1874 It takes at most 3 firefighters per car unless it's a lithium battery issue.

[@Audioremedy0785]

It was because the petrol/desire car took the whole car park down with it. Dangerous.

[@aaronnoyb]

The transition from internal combustion vehicles to spontaneous combustion vehicles is going to cost a fortune.

[@MainelyLove]

TY for that very clever comment. That image will stay with me for quite some time.

[@martentrudeau6948]

The Luton Airport car park building burnt to the ground with 1500 cars is alleged to be caused by a diesel vehicle, a phenomenon I have never heard of before. Especially the burnt destruction of the non combustible concrete and steel car park building that would require sustained high temperatures for hours to burn. A tank of diesel fuel doesn't burn hot enough or long enough to do that. But lithium battery fires do burn hot enough and long enough. It's amazing, how government and corporate media protect lithium batteries from bad publicity. They are sacred cows, to say anything bad about them is sacrilegious and blasphemous.

[@svenjorgensenn8418]

They spent trillions on this since the 1990s. Of course they will force us into them. Too bad I have over a dozen pre obd2 cars and trucks. I also can make biofuel from used oils and compost. Good luck out there!

[@TravisHi_YT]

They are never going to be held accountable, so why would they be honest and honourable? As many have said, a lot of them have a lot of money tied up in pushing these types of vehicles.

[@martentrudeau6948]

@@TravisHi_YT ~ Right they will never admit to it. But rats don't like the light (aka truth) , it's our job to turn the lights on.

[@patrickroche7026]

Modern car bumpers and plastic bonnets and wings are to blame They have a reasonably low melting point and simply flow across car park setting others alight Happened in Cork Ireland from a Zafira andIn Schiphol in Hertz carpark.

[@martentrudeau6948]

@@patrickroche7026 ~ "The burning lithium creates a metal fire existing at temperatures of 2,000 degrees Celsius/3632 degrees Fahrenheit." Envista Forensics. When fires get this hot all building structures will perish in them.

[@RichieRouge206]

And also, we know how keen JLR - especially Jaguar - are to cover up any negative press especially about faulty runaway cars that ‘don’t have a problem’…

[@TachyonDriver]

​@@001dieselmanbecause it is JLRs faulty product.

[@video3ish]

Diesel fire my a%^* !!! That was an EV. Talk about a cover up ffs

[@randywl8925]

Be patient. Wait for the official report. Idiots come out in full force in the comment sections. Base your comment on at least one factual item...... Other than, "there was a fire"

[@TheJon2442]

​@@randywl8925like the COVID and jabs scams cover-up!

[@TheJon2442]

Er it was not a car but a horse and cart!

[@xr6lad]

@@TheJon2442no difference between an EV and a horse and cart. Both could only go so far before being needed to be rested and fed (hay or electricity) for an hour or two.

[@jimmydesouza4375]

@@randywl8925 Waiting for the official releases is only a good option if you trust the credibility of the government, which no one does any more. They have a track record of obviously lying (including obviously lying in this specific example, for instance they initially tried to claim it was a completely different model of car than it actually was).

[@peetsnort]

All the bbc believers say it was a diesel

[@charlestoast4051]

and Jimmy Savile was innocent

[@paulreid2223]

And the bbc believers all got cucked by lots of BBCs' ....

[@RichardASK]

Are you surprised about the Biased Broadcasting Corporation?

[@gregculverwell]

I just can't believe what they are saying. If it were burning plastic components there would be very little or no flames under the car. If it were burning fuel, you would see it spreading out around the car. That is not what we see. A few years ago I helped to put out a Ford Fiesta which had crashed into a tree. The plastic bits in the engine bay had been pushed into the exhaust manifold and set them on fire. (and kept reigning them). I used a small dry chemical extinguisher I always carry in my car. My extinguisher was insufficient because the car kept reigniting and eventually the whole front of the car was burning fiercely. Luckily a neighbour down the street came with a large extinguisher and we got it out. AT NO STAGE was there any real flames under the car - just some small puddles of melted and burning plastic which had dripped down.

[@larrym12]

Even if a faulty EV did not start the fire the reality is once the cars in the car park that were EV's caught on fire it would have been impossible to put out the fire and thats why the Airport car park was totally destroyed

[@lesflynn4455]

I'm no expert. I've just seen a number of videos displaying how EVs burn vs ICE vehicle fires. This fire at Luton was shooting flames like an EV in thermal runaway. I don't know enough to determine either way, but I'm highly suspicious of this finding, that it was a diesel powered vehicle. I'd love to have a beer or 8 with the firefighters on the scene.

[@patriot388]

This was obviously an EV or hybrid! But the powers that be are covering it up. The fire venting underneath and to the side is the key!

[@brykalaero]

It is a really simple question. Where is the CCTV of the vehicle entering the airport complex and car park? It's England. They have CCTV everywhere.

[@TheGuruStud]

Do you want to get boeing'd? 😂

[@vampire__uk]

True Story@@TheGuruStud

[@solariss452]

True. You can't scratch your arze in London without 3 security people filming it - 'secretly' of course.

[@BenjaminHern-i3g]

the same type of incident occurred a few years ago in Stavanger Sola lufthavn (Norway) when a multistory carpark caught fire, grounded aircraft for a night and had residents of Sola (the neighbouring suburb) buttoning up their doors and windows to keep the toxic smoke at bay. The official result of the investigation was that a diseasal car had magically caught fire while the driver was parking and while he went to tell airport staff, the fire spread. The main critical finding of the investigation was that there was no sprinkler system in the carpark to suppress the fire and no access from outside since they clad the carpark in some aesthetically plreasing perforated steel plates. Little made of the fact that around 2/3 of the cars parked were EVs and that was why the fire spread so aggressively, why it took a few days to finally get everything extinguished and why the neighbours had to sit inside their houses overnight to avoid exposure to the smoke. Structural weaking of the part of the park that hadn't collapsed on its own was the official reason the remainder of the park was demolished with so many of the cars still inside (rather than admitting it wasn't safe to go moving EVS that had been grilled). It can't be anything to do with EVs, they're saving the planet from gullible warming after all.

[@svenjorgensenn8418]

It's crazy because car emission have helped green the planet. Back in the 1800s the planet was very brown. Remember the dust bowl?

[@stephenfennell]

"Gullible warming", I like that!

[@rogerphelps9939]

It was a diseased car was it?

[@chrisbyrne5678]

@@rogerphelps9939Well, it’s deceased now !! 😉😂

[@freedomforever6718]

It's a sad day indeed when both the police and first responders collude to fabricate such an important story. Thanks for your report.

[@rogerphelps9939]

Wrong, wrong. When will tou anti-EV nutters accept the truth?

[@gasgiant7122]

We in England call them Emergency services not "first responders"

[@sullivanrachael]

I think the reason they had to say it was diesel powered - it was not a mild hybrid, plug-in hybrid or electric vehicle - is that this is a weak assertion and so it is being over-emphasised. The fact diesel fuel is remarkably safe in fires as it doesn’t burn easily proves chemistry and physics is not a strongpoint of the narrative writers. I expect over the next few months multi story car-parks are going to be modified by deleting every other car space - park one miss one, park another miss one. Ostensibly, this is because new cars are heavier than the ones built in the 1960s when the car-parks were designed. It also might help prevent vehicle fires spreading. It’ll also halve car-park capacity but they won’t mind that - this whole thing is about trying to prevent car use!

[@EllieMaes-Grandad]

* multi-storey car-parks are going to be modified * Sprinkler systems would probably be too expensive and wouldn't do the job anyway, whilst halon would kill everyone!

[@sullivanrachael]

@@EllieMaes-Grandad- halon is banned as it is chlorofluorocarbon, and as you say sprinklers just won’t do it. So physical separation of vehicles might help, and it would solve another problem of EVs weighing so much more than IC. When society is built around easy mass transportation - this is crazy.

[@stuinNorway]

Or maybe they said it because it WAS a pure diesel, on a Land Rover model that had a known issue with a fire risk, and that had already been confirmed from the vehicle number plate that it was a diesel that pre-dated the hybrid bariants ?

[@mellarner8253]

@@stuinNorwayYou are referring to the photoshopped plate with more characters than the first version of the video showed.

[@stuinNorway]

@@mellarner8253 No the plate relating to the non hybrid vehicle which it was. The other airport carpark fire in recent years, in Stavanger, was also started by a diesel powered vehicle. The carpark fire in Liverpool that destroyed 1600 cars, also an ICE as a source vehicle. Despite ICE cars being 20-40 times more liklely to catch fire per 100,000 vehicles, you guys are desperate to blame every car fire on an EV.

[@ironclaw6969]

And the lies go on .... that was clearly NOT a diesel fire,

[@Audioremedy0785]

It’s a diesel car. That’s on fire. Yet you guys downing the crazy juice are convinced it’s an EV fire. Mad.

[@ironclaw6969]

@@Audioremedy0785Having serviced and maintained diesel engines for years, I can tell you that diesel doesn't burn like that. It doesn't burn very well at all until you atomize it and put it under pressure. The powers that be want everyone in shit vehicles, therefore there can be no bad things said about them. Remember, if the government says it, the safest assumption is that they're lying through their corrupt teeth.,

[@andynorton1970]

It clearly WAS a diesel fire.

[@Audioremedy0785]

@@andynorton1970 the problem is that they don’t care. They are too busy wrapped up in their own agenda that they just blindly ignore objective facts. Total morons.

[@andrewallen9993]

I personally have put out a burning diesel land rover. Something in the engine caught fire and by the time the fire had burnt a hole through the aluminium bonnet I was able to extinguish the fire using six buckets of water filled from a tap 50 metres away. I had to wait until the bonnet had a hole in order to be able to throw the water on the burning plastic.

[@silo_fx3182]

I 100% totally agree with your (very logical) conclusion that the worst possible outcome for Luton car park management is that was a 'normal fire' from a 'normal car'. Opens them up for allegations of total health and safety incompetence. The insurance companies will have a field day. No, that WAS an EV and it highlighted the terrific complexity of storing EVs together and how to manage the safety concerns. The insurance companies can now either accept the finding (knowing it is a lie) and reap the easy court cases to recover costs from Luton OR, ignore the fabricated finding and lift insurance premiums for car park owners. And by lift, I mean to orbital lift.

[@jonathanbuzzard1376]

There are no regulations that require any sort of fire suppression in multi story car parks in the UK. As such any fire is going to rapidly get out of hand EV's or no EV's. We need update regulations that require retrofitting foam based fire suppression in multistory car parks. As it stands given it complied with the existing regulations the car park owner is off the hook legally.

[@totalutternutter]

EV's must be safe and effective because If they weren't, the media would surely tell us.

[@cspark9186]

🤣Love it!

[@Max-my7uj]

It's a conspiracy!

[@jakefriesenjake]

So is this list I made! 1. Kid battery mineral labor 2. Range anxiety 3. Risk of garage fires 4. Paying 20k more than a comparable vehicle 5. every time you fuel up an EV, the fuel tank gets smaller and smaller. Battery degeneration. 6. Poor resale value. The porsche Taycan turbo S model Ev, loses over $100,000 dollars in value, in just 4 years time. That's $100k!, or $25k per year. A Nissan leaf Ev loses over half its value in 2.5 years. Here's a little joke ; how do you double the value of an Ev, when you go to sell it?.... Answer; you leave a $1 coin in the glove box. 7. Much reduced performance in the cold, highway. 8. Higher repair costs, where many, many mechanics refuse to work on them or aren't trained to do so. 9. Awful charging network experiences in the weather, without restrooms 10. Higher insurance rates 11. Replacing tires more frequently. Michelin states that tires wear out 20% faster on an Ev, and could be as high as 50% faster! Ev tires made for ev's, cost 20 to 30% more, than regular tires for ice cars. As Ev tires wear out, they leave behind more tiny particles of rubber than normal ice cars. This causes more pollution. 12. Death by autopilot 13. $15k - $35k battery 14. Low km range per tank of energy. 15. must wait in-line 1-2 hrs to charge. 16. Then wait more time to charge, while charging. 17. Spontaneous combustion, with no way to put out the fire storm. 18. If they catch fire in a tunnel, many people will die. 19. People without a pro charger system or a parking spot at their house, will run an extension cord to the road, which is dangerous and could lead to people tampering with your charging setup (super slow charging at the road). Currently illegal to run an extension cord to the street in most places. 20. If you're in California, you won't be able to charge your car past 4pm because of a shortage of electricity supply on the cheesy grid. 21. It is not actually "green". The pollution is made at the power station, and during the manufacturing process, not the car. In advance of the Cop26 climate conference in Glasgow in 2021, Volvo released figures claiming that greenhouse gas emissions during production of an electric car are nearly 70% higher than when manufacturing a petrol one. 22. Only 5% of used junk batteries get recycled, the rest go directly into the bin. It's cheaper to mine for new minerals. 23. Chhinna actually does 70% of all the refining of the minerals and production of the batteries. 24. Minerals are becoming more and more scarce, and the cost will only go up, not down. 25. Some countries where they mine for lithium, actually use a very big boat load of fresh water to only produce 1 ton of lithium, so they are afraid of running out of water. It takes over 2 million liters of fresh clean water to produce 1 ton of lithium.

[@jakefriesenjake]

Also my list! ; 26. Ev cars will soon not be able to drive in tunnels or be able to park in underground parking garage and probably will eventually void your house insurance if you park it in your personal garage. 27. It is very hard to charge your battery at super stations when it is bitter cold out. Look to Chicago news for this situation. 28. If a fire truck comes to put out an Ev fire, all the chemicals go directly into the sewer or storm drain system, poisoning everything. They need tons of water to slow down the burn. They can't actually put the fires out, they are only trying to prevent other things near by from catching fire. 29. Ok, there are 2 good things; regenerative braking, which charges the battery while you are slowing down on the highway, which saves your brakes from much wear. It has come to my attention that some people set up their regen system for maximum regen while taking their foot off the accelerator pedal, and not "coasting". For best mpg, you must coast more. You need to "hyper mill" for best mpg. If regen is set too high, passengers will end up puking. This happens because the car is too quiet and accelerating and slowing down to fast. 30. Loss of fuel tax revenue, so now the roads will only get worse, not better. 31. in Dublin, huge diesel generators are being used to charge EV buses, due to electrical grid strain. buses in Athlone also cannot be put on charge until midnight, for the same reason. Bus Éireann is saying that they can't charge their buses until 11pm for the same reason, and to avail of a lower tariff. 32. Not everyone on earth even has electricity to charge their cars. What are they supposed to do in 2035? It's easy to get a bucket of fuel to power up a regular car. 33. VCE, or "vapour cloud explosion" is very bad. If any battery, typically anything larger than an E-scooter battery, and especially only "half" charged. If a problem occurs in the cells, it might not catch on fire right away. Instead, a cloud appears, and then may be ignited a short period afterwards. There are 2 different types of vapour clouds that appear; heavier and lighter than air, which form will be dominate, can not be predicted yet. This produces a bomm. 34. For Ev transport trucks, they aren't allowed to carry the same payload as a diesel truck, because of the massive weight of the battery. The owner of the Ev truck therefore loses potential profit, every day. They also lose more profit for the waiting times for charging that Ev truck. The driver will get paid to charge the truck, which in turn forces the owner of the truck to lose more money. 35. Ev cars are more likely to be written off, if they experience a minor collision. After the collision, something could have upset the structural integrity of the battery. 36. Ev cars lie to you. If you are bold enough to go out on a decent road trip and its 210 miles, one way, and your Ev tells you that your battery will last you 223 miles, there had better be no hills, or excessively cold out.... You'll probably get stranded, trying to get to the charger, at the end of the trip. Ev's have left many families stranded already. 37. Ev's and their batteries, will soon need their very own "passport". With all info about them when born, and current info about them (power output, resistance, mineral composition, etc.) 38. Thieves stealing charging cables, will soon make it impossible to "fuel" an Ev car. They take a long time to replace the cables, just to have them cut again for scrap money. 39. Cars were typically being made lighter and lighter using aluminum and or fiberglass and or carbon fiber, to reduce emissions and pollution. Ev's are only getting heavier and heavier, causing more pollution than ever. Remember, an ev's pollution is made at the power station and the dump, not at the actual Ev, except for the tire particles as mentioned above. 40. More on spontaneous combustion of the battery. What if you had 3 children strapped into car seats, in the back seat ,which kid do you rescue? More fires start so fast, there is hardly any time for even the driver to escape, let alone 3 kids strapped in. 41. There must be a reason that Boeing 787's aren't battery powered.... Until jets are battery powered, I'll be sticking to fossil fuels for my mode of transportation. 42. Can't bring an Ev up north in the woods, nor any battery powered chain saws, where there are no grids to charge them up. You would need a huge amount of solaar panels to get you anywhere. 43. Even Mr. Bean, (Rowan Atkinson) says; "I love electric vehicles - and was an early adopter. But increasingly I feel duped". "When you start to drill into the facts, electric motoring doesn’t seem to be quite the environmental panaceaa it is claimed to be." "It seems a perverse choice of hardware with which to lead the automobile’s fight against the climate crisis." Mr. Bean (Rowan Atkinson) is a smart man. 44. There isn't a used market for ev's. How are teenagers going to buy and insure a $50K Ev... (take your pick: either $50,000 new or a $20000 used EV that needs a $20K battery replacement in a few years)?? A teenager can buy a used $1k ice car and be set up for 5 years, no problem. 45. Even if large transport trucking companies have a service where they could just swap out their pouch batteries for a freshly charged battery, the lifespan of the battery would be greatly reduced to maybe a couple of years. Recharging a huge battery 3 or 4 times per day would really hurt the battery in short order. 46. If an Ev car goes up in flames on a huge carrrgo ship, the whole cargo shipp sinks. Happened many times already. 47. Many many people claim that driving in an Ev makes them, their family and their dogs sick. Motion sickness. 48. With the extended charge times in the public, there is a much greater chance of getting mugged or car jacked. In a tesla, if you see a criminal gang heading right towards you to mug you and steal your tesla, you can't just drive off. You must go outside, disconnect the charger, go back inside your tesla, turn it on, put it into drive mode, and then attempt to flee the muggers, with the little time you still have remaining. In a regular petrol car, all you must do is put it in drive or 1st gear, and flea the situation. The fuel pump hoses have nice quick-disconnect couplings that pull apart when you go to attempt to flee criminals. This saves much time, your car, and potentially your invaluable life! 49. When your Ev is at 10% Battery left, and you head out to find a public fast charger bank of 10 fast chargers, and they are all full, and k? some aren't working, and there is a line up of another 10 cars in front of the fast charger bank, you might not be garenteed that once you actually have access to a "fast" charger, that it will actually be capable of "fast" charging. You see, there is only so much power alloted to a full bank of "fast" chargers. You will get fast charging for maybe 5 or 6 chargers being used at a bank of 10, but connect 7 or 8 or 9 or 10 ev's to that bank of 10, the bank as a whole will throttle charging power output to all cars, so as to not fry all the wiring of the bank or blow the breaker. With 10 cars charging at that bank of fast chargers, it will become a bank of slow chargers. I would have of thought that this would be designed into a fast charging bank. Some charging stations might not throttle you down. *not all of these points affect every Ev, or Ev driver, or every Ev charging station or bank* There's this Ev van company called "Arrival", in the UK. It's been around for 10 years or so. It was worth around $13 billion just 2 years ago.... They didn't sell a single unit, and are now bankrupt. Hertz rental car company backed out of a huge tesla Ev purchase of 100,000 ev's. Soon after, Hertz backed out of a huge purchase of 65,000 Chinese Polestar ev's. They did that because ev's cost to much to own, and too much to operate. The CEO of Hertz, Stephen Scherr, is stepping down from his position late March, 2024. He blamed EVs for the Loss of revenue. The cars were more expensive to maintain than Hertz had initially thought, and the company couldn’t make as much money selling them, when it needed to refresh its offerings.

[@bentullett6068]

The story has changed again as I remember hearing that the owner left the car and got on their flight. Hence why they arrested them. I remember it was witnessing the fire in the in the carpark that had to locate a fire extinguisher as there were inadequate located ones in the carpark. Currently there are a few issues regarding electrical components on Land Rover products and each time its being covered up.

[@TheGuruStud]

So they're scapegoating the owner😂. Despicable. Well, if he tries to come forward...he will be found un alive in his cell.

[@phred196]

Even if the vehicle is substantially burned it should be fairly straightforward to determine the make and model. The vehicle is going to have a VIN. And some insurance company is going to pay. What I'm saying is there's going to be a paper trail about the make and model of this automobile and therefore whether it's electric or diesel or plutonium. Some insurance company or other is paying out for this. And it's impossible that there aren't a dozen pieces of paper already in existence which say exactly what kind of car this was. I wonder how much of this information would be accessible through a freedom of information request? I'm fairly certain both the police and the fire department would make reports on this matter. The police at least would note the vins. Any police report is public record. I mean it's not as if there's nudity or minors involved here. It's simply a car fire. No privacy concerns. So there should be no problem with any given Department releasing the public records. If you keep digging it's all going to be there.

[@georgejetson3648]

Most will remember the first report......that was a lie. That's the crime.

[@EllieMaes-Grandad]

A report will be published, eventually, but after a very long delay and with no publicity.

[@billysolhurok5542]

the official narrative resembles that of a UFO crash

[@lioneloconnor4785]

Unfortunately there is Nudity!! The Naked Truth!😉

[@aircraft2]

Diesel cars basically never spontaneously combust for the reasons you mentioned - the car model, a Range Rover Sport, also has a hybrid option which furthers this theory. ICE car fires are also MUCH easier to put out and don't spread like they did in the video.

[@CDB8939]

I hate to disappoint you, but I have attended 100's of fire involving ICE vehicles in my 32 years as a firefighter. 95% of them were caused by an electrical/component fault behind the dash or in the engine compartment. Whatever fuels the vehicle is generally a factor in the cause of the fire. Most vehicles are completely destroyed by the fire as a suitable extinguisher is not usually available instantly, also the person using it is not trained how to use it. The other factor is the fire is not accessible due to being behind the dash or in the engine compartment that cannot be opened. The Liverpool car park fire was a Diesel Range or Landrover. That also destroyed over 1,000 vehicles and the car park with not an EV in sight.

[@davidgifford8112]

The primary reason for fitting diesel engines to battle tanks is they don’t spontaneously combust when hit by a AP-shell.

[@ggee7391]

And jet fuel to military aircraft and small gun boats - English Electric Deltic 2-stroke

[@CarlJones14]

I did an FOI request with the local fire service, and I've not heard a thing from them. This vehicle was most likely a hybrid.

[@iancarrington1967]

I did the same with Bedford Fire Service. Zero reply after three months.

[@RichardASK]

It was.

[@zelmulec72]

There was a video clip in circulation taken by a passenger clearly showing it was an electric car. Tried to find the clip but it mysteriously disappeared. What a surprise!

[@rogercamp2910]

They sort of told the truth in that it was an electrical fire, caused by a bloody big battery underneath.

[@Danger_Mouse3619]

When it looks like an EV fire, smells like an EV fire, burn like an EV fire. It's an EV fire.

[@Audioremedy0785]

This looks like a non EV fire and smells like a non EV fire. So what is it…?

[@mr.wizeguy8995]

Sounds like ICEthusiast.

[@oliverpolden]

It wasn’t an EV. It was a duck.

[@matthewkeith8605]

@@Audioremedy0785 But it doesn't look like a non EV fire does it? Exactly the opposite in fact. So.... The vehicle on fire in the video is NOT burning like an ICE vehicle, that is not a diesel fire.

[@Audioremedy0785]

@@matthewkeith8605 I think the point you are missing is the the vehicle in the video is a Diesel car….

[@johnnyhollis9977]

The carpark was relatively new and did not have a sprinkler system installed!! Right from the outset of this story breaking there were questions being asked and things were not being reported openly. There are too many unanswered questions about this event, so the authorities have done their bit in smoothing over the real reasons for the fire. I believe that all charges were dropped on the cars owner just recently which is also a bit odd as he apparently dashed off to catch a flight leaving his suspect vehicle to burn. He left the scene of the accident which is usually a bad idea in the eyes of the police! I smell a chargrilled incinerated rat here!

[@brotherowl]

Perhaps the fire simply did not fit the narrative.

[@prjndigo]

Not even a catalytic breach with the engine in run-away is going to shoot flames that far out the side of a diesel vehicle. The people in charge of the investigation need to be sent to prison. The entire government that has repeatedly failed to require sprinkler systems in parking garages also needs to be sent to prison.

[@EllieMaes-Grandad]

Sprinkler systems would probably be expensive and wouldn't do the job anyway . . .

[@VerladT]

@@EllieMaes-Grandad Sprinklers would have saved the rest of the cars, or at least the ones that weren't too close. Yeah, they wouldn't be able to put out an EV fire but it would have mitigated the damage which is the best you can hope for with those.

[@fredmonroe6042]

@@001dieselmanthe bottom of the care also happens to be where the batteries live.

[@youflatscreentube]

Even the sprinkler system may fail to put out a 2 3,000 degree fire.

[@EllieMaes-Grandad]

@@VerladT Saved the building too, probably.

[@quietackshon]

Strange that they need to say it wasn't X, Y or Z. Why not state it was a diesel fire, the end? If someone's telling porkies, the insurance companies will have a field day suing is responsible.

[@acurafillfilip9868]

With regards to EV news I come to MGUY for down to earth reporting and the Electric Viking to have a good laugh

[@ChristianDee-s9d]

That idiot is insufferable! Electric Wanker more like.

[@SoupDragonish]

"They lie to us, we know they're lying, they know we know they're lying, but they keep lying to us, and we keep pretending to believe them."

[@starpawsy]

I have read that the car was idnetifiable by the front number plate, which supposedly proved it was a hybrid.

[@jeremyashford2145]

It has been suggested that the film from the front, which emerged belatedly, was fraudulent, and did not even match the car in the original video. The configuration of the car in the rear photo suggested hybrid but the front, as I say, was a different car.

[@starpawsy]

@@jeremyashford2145 Hard to be certain of anything in this, the Misinformation Age.

[@therawlins1]

And yes it was a Diesel no lies , but also a hybrid, they say electrical fault yes , the hybrid battery, the lights were still on because it was the hybrid battery not the car electrical system, the driver knew about it because it was probably a blocked DPF that burns at very high temperature when blocked , and that very high temperature was enough to cause the hybrid battery to malfunction and cause a fire, this of course implies common sense never before used in a situation like this!!

[@cleop610]

I am 76 and a retired HGV driver. Back in the 70's in icy weather drivers used to light fires underneath fuel tanks to thaw out frozen diesel. Diesel only ignites under pressure.

[@Dilbert-o5k]

Yes I remember seeing that when I was a kid. There was a truck park in a local town and all the drivers would have bonfires under their engines and diesel tanks on very cold mornings. I think diesel now has additives to stop diesel waxing in cold temperatures

[@markseehawer3762]

Thats true Diesel gels when cold Not that combustable. Its actually kind of amazing that a diesel engine will even run.

[@ggee7391]

We had diesel vans in the 1970s - I used to put a 3 bar fire under mine to get to work when it was frosty that chuffing van would never start at the best of times.

[@Man_from_UNCLE]

Yeah, I am from the construction industry and we used to make fires under Drott bulldozers etc in icy, frosty weather to melt the waxy diesel to get the engine started.

[@andynorton1970]

Diesel only ignites under pressure?? 😂😂 that really is some grade A ignorance and stupidity.

[@offshoretinker]

Not buying, and I do not need to elaborate.

[@chevalsauer]

Who do they think that they are kidding? Only themselves... Just wait till the rest of them start warming up...

[@stevem6402]

As a fuel tanker driver, that fire was not a petroleum fuel fire.

[@snirptacular]

As a fuel tanker,.... has many of your vehicles caught fire?

[@DecrepitBiden]

None, if you take proper precaution. Always ground your vehicle before loading your tanker & offloading it into a tank/plane. I used to refuel aircrafts in the Air Force from 1990-1999. Never heard of a fire. As for civilian side, now that's a different story if these guys don't take static electricity seriously.

[@LessBeard]

Apparently the guy driving the car was late for a flight & knew it was on fire before he abandoned it in the multistory car park. That was said on a Geoff Buys Cars video back when it happened in October. He knows & they know exactly what car it is & there should be absolutely no ambiguity about that. There will be security video footage of the car entering the garage & passing several other cameras whilst it is on fire if that is the case. I also believe this is yet another EV related car fire cover up....as a serving firefighter.

[@gerbre1]

A serving firefighter has likely never seen a burning EV in reality, because those are very rare incidents.

[@intrance96]

@@gerbre1 You are an agent

[@gerbre1]

@@intrance96 Just referring to official numbers of EV fires, e.g. in the US 200,000 burning fossils compared to 60 EVs.

[@ChristianDee-s9d]

@@gerbre1 oh my dear God! Not this shit again. Those figures include all the ICE vehicles that are stolen to use in crimes and joy rides, and insurance jobs, that all get torched. Nobody steals EV's in comparison for those things. ICE cars in the USA can be up to 50 years old and still daily driven, with no annual safety checks. So, any car poorly maintained is also included, compared to bugger all EV's anywhere even 10 years of age yet. FFS, stop being a donkey, blindly swallowing crap statistics which have no declaration of their parameters. Not to mention the billions of ICE cars in the USA compared to a relatively tiny EV fleet.

[@intrance96]

@@gerbre1 Does your propaganda department need help?

[@davidgriffin2918]

Anyone with half a mechanical brain can see it was more than just a regular car fire

[@EllieMaes-Grandad]

At some point there will be a death resulting from an EV fire, from toxic gasses probably. Then it will all hit the fan!

[@mellarner8253]

A common rail diesel engine has a high pressure fuel pump driven directly by the engine, by gear or chain. The engine would have to still be running for a high pressure jet of diesel to be made. That engine had stopped, vehicle stationary and the high pressure jet of flame was to intense and of the wrong colour to be diesel fuelled. The fuel tank is at the back, so not that. The low pressure fuel pump feeding the fuel supply and return system is not able to provide such a jet. The visual evidence indicates a battery fire from near the left front wheel, near where the hybrid battery is typically found in those vehicles. Then there was the immediate response about the cause on the day, that is never revealed, too soon for even an initial investigation to be made, the fire was still raging. Strange that.

[@svenjorgensenn8418]

I've been working on diesel for 20 years. Never seen a red flame lol. You must be a crap mechanic.

[@RichardASK]

You're talking nonsense mate! I wouldn't want you working on my vehicles.@@001dieselman

[@CDB8939]

​@@mellarner8253Why does everyone think a fire in a diesel powered vehicle will involve the diesel fuel. It doesn't. Most of the fires are caused by electrical faults behind the dash or a component in the engine compartment. The DPF is a popular cause on these vehicles. JLR have had loads of recalls for potential risk of fire

[@composedlight6850]

Just publish the Reg of the car and we will have no confusion on the matter 😂😂😂

[@TheJon2442]

Er the DVLA database can be altered!

[@robertwhite3503]

The Registration Plate was videoed and published. It showed up in the Press shortly after as a diesel.

[@robertgreen9614]

​@@robertwhite3503Mild hybrid diesels show up on the DVLA website as "DIESEL" under fuel type. Check any mild hybrid's details, they only record the fossil fuel type, not the fact that it is a mild hybrid. Funnily enough the RR in question's declared CO2 output on the DVLA website, was the same as the RR diesel hybrib. Not the higher CO2 figure of the dedicated diesel RR. Make of that what you will.

[@robertwhite3503]

@@robertgreen9614 That makes sense and explains why the Fire Brigade said what they said. Edit: This comment was made in response to a previous comment that seems to have disappeared.

[@kennethbowry1521]

Which the private plate or the one they showed in the photos.?

[@carriertaiyo2694]

Just how desperate are they to make us pretend to like those ridiculous cars?

[@Graeme_Lastname]

After all the time I spent in a tow truck, I never saw a diesel car, truck or tanker ignite. And that's after a prang which, on occasions, left thousands of liters of diesel sloshing around. I can confirm it's damn hard to ignite. Also, whenever I've seen diesel burning, the smoke had a much darker, denser look. Oh well, I'm old and have learned not to expect honesty when things get to this level. 🙂

[@I_Don_t_want_a_handle]

This is obviously true as it is well known that diesel fuel needs quite a kick-start to burn. Perhaps these diesels have something else in them that burns? Didn't RR have a recall because some pollutant suppression device kept catching fire? On the Evoque? Seems a bit of a fierce fire for that though.

[@harukinzaphod]

Happens kzbin.info/www/bejne/aJeuZ619mdejeNE

[@maxsec2]

and ive driven throusands of mile and see plenty of cars aligh or recently put out...

[@Graeme_Lastname]

@@maxsec2 So have I but they weren't diesel. 🙂

[@harukinzaphod]

@@maxsec2 So have I but they have all been petrol.

[@Cubby9999]

lol diesel, mad misinformation

[@SolAce-nw2hf]

If it looks like a battery fire, burns hot like a battery fire and is as hard to fight as a battery fire, it must be a diesel fire.

[@NotJanine777]

This could all be resolved by the person that owned the car in question coming forward and making a statement. Why haven’t they…?

[@beastieboy3926]

They have been given a new identity and live somewhere else under a police protection programme.Nothing more to see here.

[@kensweet6022]

@richardsmith273 £££££££££ ?🤔

[@TheGuruStud]

Arrested to silence them

[@mikeholling8830]

Probably wants to live a bit longer. 🤐

[@intrance96]

@@001dieselman Your lies dont reach anybody, do you not notice that? You can stop with the ai channels :D

[@ColinMill1]

I find it strange that the owner of this Range Rover who would, I'm sure, get a significant chunk of cash for an exclusive interview with one of the MSM outlets has remained well hidden.

[@vociferon-heraldofthewinte7763]

Reports are that he was arrested.

[@ColinMill1]

@@vociferon-heraldofthewinte7763 He was arrested but released with police saying they were taking "no action". So that does not explain his silence.

[@vociferon-heraldofthewinte7763]

@@ColinMill1 Unless he was warned to be silent or suffer consequences. Being arrested will scare a bloke.

[@ColinMill1]

@@vociferon-heraldofthewinte7763 And why would they want to scare him into silence I wonder.

[@TrueSkyl1n3]

It’s the fact that they released a statement blaming diesel at break-neck speed, not just “an internal combustion engine” no no… EXPLICITLY “diesel”. Smells like absolute bullshit to me, totally wasn’t trying to demonise diesels further for their own agenda 🙄

[@albertlanger2339]

Much money can be spent and taken - as long as you follow the rules.

[@rickcrickc1017]

You hit the nail on the head ! Follow the money !

[@sirjohng1]

It is also possible that the fire extinguisher did not operate properly , possibly as the mandated annual safety check of the extinguisher had not been attended to. Often public extinguishers are vandalised and inoperable. Such a failure would also likely be hidden as a huge embarrassment to the fire service and the Car Park owners. Incidentally, the smoke from this fire as seen on CCTV was light greyish alluding to a battery fire, diesel would give off a much darker grey colour.

[@sirjohng1]

It is sad how outcomes can be so easily manipulated with no redress.

[@Resist_JWO_1984]

This was not in China, where they have fake fire extinguishers.

[@TheGuruStud]

Even just plastic burning would be black as can be.

[@sirjohng1]

@@TheGuruStud Many plastics give off a cyanic gas too when burned.

[@iancurtis1152]

I’m pretty sure the model was recognised by the tail light design (before the car was obliterated)

[@Walter-wo5sz]

I had a diesel truck that caught fire from the 12v battery shorting out and you are 100% accurate. The plastics under hood burned and that's all. After replacing the plastic and a wire harness it ran like new.

[@spynles7947]

If that was a diesel fire I'm the King of England, and I'm not even a Brit.

[@ggee7391]

Neither is the King of England he a German / Dane - House of Battenberg.

[@suburbiapheonix7960]

@@ggee7391 And Our PM is an appointed Indian.

[@RoverIAC]

Even if it wasn't an EV to start with it could spread to an EV and then we have an EV fire.

[@gerbre1]

An EV fire creates the same fire load as an ICE fire. Most of the load comes from the plastic inside the car.

[@intrance96]

@@gerbre1 Is this all you do all day long? Please tell me you get paid for this otherwise you are being taken advantage of...

[@gerbre1]

@@intrance96 Just repeating EV fire studies is not my daily job.

[@intrance96]

@@gerbre1 You know what? I honestly feel bad for you....

[@gerbre1]

@@intrance96 Once again, studies say EV fire load is not different from ICE fire load.

[@bobkelly8644]

Ultimately, it doesn’t matter how the fire started. Each EV that was encountered fed the flames. Are they going to claim that the vehicle that melted through the concrete floor was a conventional diesel?

[@TheGuruStud]

They will

[@bobkelly8644]

@@001dieselman EV parking or charging is located elsewhere? Does somebody stand at the entrance to keep the EVs out?

[@TachyonDriver]

​@@001dieselmanthere is no law that says you have to park your EV at a charging point on a car park. You are currently allowed to use any space. An example may go something like this: If I've just charged up my EV at home the night before then why on earth would I want to park it in a charging space when I can easily find plenty of spaces on the second floor?

[@bobkelly8644]

@@001dieselman Where does that fact come from? Were you there that day monitoring all 1,200 cars?

[@easyonenow]

Im not a fireman. But have run large warehouses, all fire equipment serviced every 6 months. I did proper fire risk assesments. And was always told by advisors... Fire Extinguishers are not to Extinguish fires rather to aid escape.

[@roch145]

Then I suppose they should change the name of Fire EXTINGUISHER to Fire Suppressor. I have never been told that Fire Extinguishers can’t put out fires in my many years of annual safety training at a very large hospital.

[@PG-je2yj]

(Maybe next time ask the specific question...Are you expected to get out or grasp (a small) Extinguisher and head back in). Its why Extinguishers are at all egress points. The thought is, you might need to fight the fire to get out of the door. Its not worth going back into the building and risking your life. Then let the professional deal with it. Though now a days that means the fire engine sprays the roof whilst the unit burns. Total respect to Firemen as all this changes if life is inside. These Heroes will then risk their lives, they do die, and try and get the like of you and me out. @@roch145

[@GeneralChangFromDanang]

@@roch145 It depends what's burning. If it's paper or wood, it will just reignite later.

[@philipoakley5498]

@@roch145Sounds like you need to get them to review their training! There's always (in any lesson I've had) an 'if safe to do so' caveat for any fire extinguisher usage. The biggest cause of fatalities is the false expectation that an extinguisher will work, rather than clearing the building. Yes, there are many cases of small fires being controlled, but many more of medium fires getting out of hand before the alarm was raised. I've seen one such fire in a new building, while queuing for lunch, and everyone not really wanting to lose their place in the queue!

[@roch145]

@@philipoakley5498 hospitals train to relocate or rescue patients first, then activate alarms and call in the emergency, next confine the fire if possible and finally extinguish the fire if you are trained and able to do so. We’ve never been trained that an extinguisher can’t put out a fire, assuming it’s in its early stages.

[@sr6424]

My car was in the car park and obviously not recovered! What is interesting is how quiet it has gone since. The=last time I Googled I couldn’t find anything that had been created over a couple of weeks after the incident! In fact this is the first new piece I’ve seen. Someone was arrested, as a precaution! I have never heard that wording before. I couldn’t believe how well my insurance company treated me. I was completely happy with their first offer. That surprised me. Maybe I have a good insurance company! Thanks for the video.

[@dragonshadow1902]

The car may have been EV. But it identified as ICE and you respect it's combustion dysphoria as reality.

[@singmysong1167]

too funny😂

[@dangdang8106]

I just dont believe it was diesel.