A Customer Brought us an old 1976 Bally Flip Flop Pinball Machine To Repair!

[@LyonsArcade]

If anybody is interested in any Merchandise, we have a new store at : teespring.com/stores/joes-video-games

[@TheGnomestead]

Shop print Rocks buddy

[@nettlecreek1799]

I bought a shirt last night, I'm a sucka for t-shirts!

[@Kaavoort]

Ahh man! The 24 x 30 print is sold out? Should I wait?

[@LyonsArcade]

@@Kaavoort It's on their end, they must be sold out of those size frames or something so can't make any that big right now... it might update when they get more stock in. We didn't put a limit on them or anything!

[@LyonsArcade]

@@nettlecreek1799 Thanks man we appreciate it!

[@maccustoms2295]

Great video.love the idea of how you said a detailed before video and what you think might be wrong. Shows at the final just really how much hard work you guys put into these machines to make them reliable to last many more years.

[@LyonsArcade]

That's what we're trying to do at least! Thanks for watching Robert!

[@andymouse]

Yeah, I'm good at measuring stuff to !.... Interesting to see that the spare "Fuse" was still in there after all this time, all 9 inch of it !

[@pin-monkeypinball3548]

You going over the artwork and beauty of this game has inspired me to add the cowboy and horse to my em pinball sleeve tattoos. So now it includes flip flop, slick chick, big Strike, old Chicago. Still to add nip it and some others.

[@LyonsArcade]

That's pretty cool man, good luck with it :)

[@InMyHead]

I saw this one in progress when I visited a couple weekends ago. I actually touched this pinball machine!!! I've been looking for this series to start.

[@LyonsArcade]

It was good seeing you in big Rock Hill man, see you next time!

[@paulclarke7571]

Favorite color of the day MAROON! Thanks for your fun and informative videos. I appreciate them very much up here in Canada!

[@tcb8295]

Ron, thanks for another great video. Looking forward to all videos on this machine.

[@LyonsArcade]

Thanks TCB 82 we appreciate you watching as always!

[@DirtyRobot]

A good tool for handling glass panes are the suction cup handles. Sometimes called floor panel lifters. You can find them pretty cheap now.

[@martywolfman]

Looking at the interior of some of the last EMs like this, it makes me think that it was a good thing that solid state was just around the corner. It's hard to imagine that they could have got much more in there, and were pretty close to the limit of what an EM could do.

[@LyonsArcade]

The most crowded one I saw was that Grand Prix we did, it had a double bonus and all that jazz. About as fur as you could go :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJzXdHSPh7-LgMk kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2fTno17Zranr9k

[@LarryOliveria-on8du]

I have several SS pinballs from the 90's to the 2000 but in the early 70's I played EM machines in high school at the local bowling alley. Recentlty took a chance on a Gottlieb 1972 Wild Life. Was not working, right... running score motor, duh. Between your videos and schematics (had original) I cleaned and adjusted everything as you taught me and now it is as close to perfect as possible. Even added a lower mid flipper mod drain pin bumper to make it fun and intereesting! Topped with plastic green and purple flower petals to match game color scheme. I would send a pic but done see how to. Anyway, love your teaching style and patient teaching skills. Love the Carolinas... Larry/WY

[@ocsrc]

Backglass looks really good for its age

[@LyonsArcade]

I check it out in a later video and discover it's in mint condition.

[@nettlecreek1799]

Is it wrong to 'like' a video before actually watching it? I especially love the troubleshooting videos, where you go through a machine step by step. I finally got my Bally Flicker schematics, tossed the Boomerang ones, you were spot on regarding the schematic and logic differences, much simpler and things actually make sense... IMAGINE THAT!

[@LyonsArcade]

They are similar on certain ones, like this one somebody had Bow & Arrow schematics with it and a lot of the stuff is the same but when you jump from 4 player to 2 player it all changes

[@grlg2]

Hi Ron, 80's V12 Jaguar trunk lids do a good job of falling on your head at just the wrong time. The torsion springs are weak from the factory and when they get old they only get worse. My first boss loved Jags so I was forced to work on those nightmare engine computers. Analog fuel injection system where the caps would drift with age, not to mention a mechanical MAP sensor that would drift and fail with age too. But I digress. Cheers.

[@Foxonian]

Bally would later use those out lane bumpers on 1980's Viking and 1981's Centaur. Nice feature to save your ball if you are quick enough.

[@LyonsArcade]

I like them!

[@Maxxarcade]

I wonder what the most complex EM game ever made was? This one certainly has a lot of stuff. I like the layout of the Bally score motors better than the Gottlieb ones though.

[@LyonsArcade]

The Bingo machines are far more complex, I have never done a video on one of those though. This one called Grand Prix was very complex : kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqKtY6Gopdd-oc0

[@clintevans6643]

This is going to be a fun one. Thanks Ron.

[@LyonsArcade]

Thanks Clint!

[@charlespalmer3595]

That VW book was "How to Keep Your Volkswagen Alive: A Manual of Step-by-Step Procedures for the Compleat Idiot" by John Muir. And yes, that is how complete was spelled on the book! I had 3 copies and they all became unreadable from the black oil stains.

[@LyonsArcade]

I was told about that book way back in the 90's but I never owned a Volkswagen ... guy is a LEGEND though, lol

[@chrisfreemesser5707]

@@LyonsArcade I own an old VW and got a laugh when you mentioned the book...my copy was literally an arm's length away while I was watching this video. It's definitely *the* bible for old VW ownership. The 70s vibe to the book gives it a lot of charm!

[@TheGnomestead]

Love that back glass! Have you ever opened one up and found you were that guy that worked on it many years before? See how it held up? Don't say Night Rider anymore you tease! Keep up the great work and content Ron! Never disappoint 👍👍 I got the nail joke lol

[@LyonsArcade]

You guys are going to make me wait longer and longer to do the Night Rider :) Yes we've worked on some that we had before but I never forgot I had it, I always recognize them when they come in :)

[@RetroGamingWithHopper]

That one has a great starting point, Ron. Should be a fun one to get up and running. Looking forward to watching this series.

[@toddament8035]

I know you will take the hours to clean every contact on every switch and relay. I also give you credit as it would take me months and I would probably lose my place, twice. It's amazing that these machines still exist as they were expected to have a very short life span and then be junked to make room for newer games.

[@tjcope4746]

Your videos are amazing! I appreciated you taking the time to go to so much trouble with the camera and with your explanations. I've recently purchased this same machine for my grandkids for Christmas. It is in ok shape; pretty dirty and a bit rusty on the inside. You've given me the courage to clean it up, test and trouble shoot to make it ready for Christmas morning. This old school fun will be a great change for theses video game kids - 12, 10 and 6 years old! I have a one question: You talked about the back glass at length in this video and in the Backbox video. The back glass I have has no white layer(s). Without the white layers I can see the lamps through many places - like, for example, the wagon covers - and there are no ball count or bonus number. The TILT, GAME OVER, nor SAME PLAYER SHOOTS AGAIN labels don't show either. (Thanks to your videos I found the locations for all of these!) Do you think there was a backgound layer that was peeled off by a previous owner. In the Backbox video at 41:46 it looks like there is a white layer over the whole back glass. Other than this the colors are great. Thanks for going into so much detail! I can hardly wait to give it to the kids!

[@LyonsArcade]

If you look close does it look like it flaked off at some point? It's common for one color to disintegrate sometimes, like you mentioned it's rusty and dirty so it may have been in a storage shed or something for many years... what happens is some of the paint colors fade away because that particular color was made with a chemistry that's less durable. So it very well could be that the white just flaked away over the years, or it could have been loose and was cleaned off by somebody. I don't think there would be a way to peel it off, it's all attached together.... You could clear coat it so it doesn't get any worse, and then paint a white coat over everything left. I'm going to do just that on a "Night Rider" Pinball video that we have coming up in a couple weeks, you can see how it turned out then if you'd like... we also have painted a whole bunch of backglasses in the past with the triple thick clear coat from Krylon, it does a good job protecting it and gives you something to paint on. If you run into any problems send us an email! Thanks for watching TJ!

[@CaptNRetro]

we are on the same wavelength lately..a guy just gave me 3 pins..Kiss, Mata Hari, and a Flip Flop..the flip flop is the worst condition I've attempted to restore..this series will be just as helpful as the Kiss from 3 months back!

[@thornmountain8129]

Aside from the dirt at least the wiring on this one is intact.

[@davidg-m1768]

I like your thinking on the intro - great to get a really good first assessment.

[@Jeroen_a]

A 9 inch nail..... they nailed it :D

[@station240]

I count 20 colours, the ones not included in the 16 you counted are: The horse in the center has "off white (blue tint)" and a darker version. The Barn and two cowboys pants middle right have mid blue and a ever so slightly darker version. If I recall 20 colours was the limit of screen printing, can't remember the reason why though.

[@LyonsArcade]

Think of the money they spent, extra, when they didn't have to, just to make that backglass even better. This I believe is the most complex silked one I've ever seen (I noticed it several years ago when I did another Flip Flop). In a later video we figure out this particular one is in mint condition, the back is perfect and there's no fading.

[@DoItMyselfGarage]

Thumbs up for the George references!

[@LyonsArcade]

People don't believe me, it's obvious, I have much of it on tape!

[@daveweston5158]

HI Ron - You spoke at length about the back glass of this unit (and rightly so... That thing is amazing!), and that got me wondering... About when did the manufacturers of pinball machines begin to make the transition from back 'glass' to plastic? As always, I'm looking forward to to your process, as well as the result! :-)

[@LyonsArcade]

They started making those plastic film things about 1984 I believe. They've recently started making them with real backglasses again though!

[@davidh6713]

The 2 reset relays in the head reset the score reels only. The 4 latch ins at the top of the head are for the 100,000s

[@cthlhu]

@15:00 100% can confirm! Working on my first pinball machine and dropped the Super-Flite playfield on my head! I did bang myself a good one!

[@dmkaeding]

The biggest problem is the horseshoes are pointing down letting all the luck run out.

[@LyonsArcade]

That's a good point

[@thiesenf]

Yeah... that triggered my OCD... I so wanted to turn the shoes back the right way... :-)

[@Even-Steven]

That back glass looks perfect. I'm not sure I noticed any defects? Pretty remarkable. Our friends over in Great Britain are going to giggle at 'Bell End Ranch" lol

[@RudyValenciaDotCom]

Just like they giggle at Minges Printing Company! 😜

[@ETPinball]

Ooh.....any idea when you might post the Bally Freedom videos? I just bought one yesterday.

[@LyonsArcade]

I haven’t done it yet so we’re prob about a month out on those videos but it’s coming!

[@cliffburridge]

Another neat vid! Cheers, Ron. 😎😎

[@douro20]

A dead blow hammer applied in the upward direction to the edges of the lockdown bar should be able to loosen it up.

[@rustychopps]

Ronnie I'm stealing the Piss in the Ocean line! Haha

[@LyonsArcade]

lol it's the truth man!

[@jeffreymurdock8366]

You had to reference 9 inch nails. Good one.

[@geraldgreenwalt3725]

I can't wait till I hear that game start if I remember correctly when I bought that game brand new it sounded strange when it started.

[@LyonsArcade]

This one has chimes so I don’t know if it’ll play anything...

[@geraldgreenwalt3725]

Its not the bells that I'm talking about it the sound of the motor and reset coils. If I have the right game you'll see what I mean. It could of been NIPIT? Joe hope we get to see or hear.

[@melanatedprose9134]

The symbols made me think about hieroglyphics, initially.

[@LyonsArcade]

Yup it has that vibe!

[@theoldar]

This one feels familiar. I'm pretty sure I played this one!

[@LyonsArcade]

Those flip targets were on a couple other ones but I'll bet this one was popular back in the day...

[@thiesenf]

A nail that is nine inch... Cleveland 1988... Ok... I had to google the year... but Trent Freznor I didn't have to google... :-)

[@cliffordmaxwell9802]

That would be my luck open the thing up to a hornets nest on the inside lol This flip flop has a lot going on, should put on a great show when it is up and running fully functional back glass looks awesome on this one. Work your magic Ron!

[@NivagSwerdna]

@4:00 loving the dudes on the fence

[@WreckDiver99]

Between the amount of mechanical items, wiring, and very complex glass...this had to be one expensive game in the past. So...any idea how it did for repay? You went through that for a video game a while ago, did they have that for Pinball too??

[@LyonsArcade]

Some of them had meters in them, i'll have to check what this one says :)

[@WreckDiver99]

@@LyonsArcade That's right...I forgot about that. Way back in a previous life I worked at one of those Pizza Time Theater places (Major Magic, Show Biz, Chucky Cheese kind of location). That's when they had REAL arcade games (now it's all this ticket garbage). All our machines had counters on them...I totally forgot about that. We used to have to count the tokens in each machine once per week and compare it to the counter. We also compared that to the amount of money in the token change machine. We would be able to tell if people were saving tokens (more cash than tokens spent) or if lots of free play was happening (kid comes up and is crying they lost a token, we'd just give them one, or we'd go to the machine to see if it was jammed and just flip the play switch for them). We probably should have just done what bars did for the Jukebox...had a bunch of painted tokens that the crew carried and used those to see how many "free" games were going on. LOL...good times...I did a bit of game tech work back then, but nothing like what you do.

[@jimcolepaugh7601]

The VW book is “Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance”

[@abbyrhodes814]

Eight ball deluxe, "Less talking and more chalking". Beep beep beep.

[@jppagetoo]

According the pinball database only 3 games had those flip flop flags. I have only been able to find two; Flip Flop and Wizard. It's a Bally only design. Not popular with players I guess.

[@station240]

Someone made a pinball game about beach footware ?

[@LyonsArcade]

Yes!

[@lascheque]

Trent Reznor wants his nine inch nail back.

[@charlespalmer3595]

I don't understand the tilt delay. Why? What did it accomplish? What was the problem that prompted them to install it?

[@davidg-m1768]

Just another level of protection to minimise the risk of damage to the machine. You don’t just lose the ball but the whole machine shuts down. Going to be fairly obvious you were being too rough with it.... standing next to a dead machine until the delay is finished.

[@Doughiemantoo]

Every bit of 9.5 inches.

[@LyonsArcade]

LOL

[@ocsrc]

I count 18 colors

[@LyonsArcade]

Think of the money involved with that many colors silkscreened, I think this is the complex backglass I've ever seen on one.

[@80sHeavyMetalNerd]

hey Ron! a quick question : i ve got a 1980 bally mystic and the lights are not working good, the q transistors are all reading (with multimeter on the arrow sign)about half of them 750 something and other half 860 something, except 4 of them that they are way out,down or up.should i change only these 4,or should i change all of them?is there a problem that almost all of the rest have in a way a bit different values? thanks!!

[@LyonsArcade]

Yes those four are probably bad for sure but are all of them acting up if you go into test?

[@80sHeavyMetalNerd]

@@LyonsArcade the lights are working good in more than 80% of the play field and backglass,the rest of them don't blink at all when in test mode,or in general.how bright the rest 80% of the lights are,now,this is another thing.some of them could be better but hey,they still work!

[@LyonsArcade]

Those four are prob def bad and you might have some bad sockets on the rest that don’t light up

[@80sHeavyMetalNerd]

@@LyonsArcade thanks Ron,really appreciate it!!!

[@fishingforfish9037]

Hi Ron do u have a Facebook page as I'm doing a pinball table for my pet bearded dragon and I like to show you it as he love watching ur videos

[@LyonsArcade]

We do, we're joe's classic video games on Facebook

[@fishingforfish9037]

When I finish I'll have to send u a picture of it

[@ld3640]

Okay so does this one look as bad as a Williams Grand Prix or does the Grand Prix still have the title of world's most complicated pain in the beep 😁

[@LyonsArcade]

I think the Grand Prix is still more complex.

[@andrewcooper3845]

FLIPFLOP :D sold :(

[@williamsudbrink4187]

Go "sledgehammer" Joe!

[@LyonsArcade]

He's standing by waiting!

[@Spaghetti_Parmesan]

A bloodstained packet, broken glass, and a broken plastic. I wonder what happened to this machine in the past. Bar fight?

[@LyonsArcade]

I had a Freddy Kreuger Pinball Machine and a guy was operating it in a bar, a drunk broke the glass, and stole the freddy head right off the playfield! Rough place!

[@TheShanerc1]

Yes sir!

[@LyonsArcade]

We're gonna Do It To It

[@memyopinionsche6610]

It's the same tempered glass that car window are made of?

[@LyonsArcade]

I believe most car windows are laminated which means they have a film inside the glass so when it breaks it stays in tons of little shattered pieces... but side pieces might not be, I don't remember the difference.... essentially yes they're the same concept as this piece though.

[@memyopinionsche6610]

Oh ok I totally forgotten about that.

[@KieronWray]

snigger 17:15, did make me laugh :)

[@AdyHewitt]

The minges ranch ?

[@waynegram8907]

JOES CLASSIC, The Time Delay Circuit is connected to Both Slam switches. Does all pinball games have a time delay circuit for the slam switches? I'm not sure why the time delay circuit needs 49.5VAC, any reasons why the time delay circuit needs 49.5VAC? I'm not sure what the name of the filament its called in those #455 bulbs that that when its cold its closed filament and when its hot the filament opens, is there a name for this type of filament?

[@moshly64]

Bimetallic strip

[@waynegram8907]

@@moshly64 Are they called Thermometer bulbs?

[@danieljames4405]

Just bought me a beautiful 1976 Bailey's flip flop for a thousand bucks that I get a good deal?

[@LyonsArcade]

Yes, that's a pretty good deal. We'd probably sell one in nice shape and fully working for about 2000 at the moment....

[@FuturehouseCa]

haha, pee in the sea . Like your show man

[@LyonsArcade]

Thanks Granby Ridge Farm we appreciate you watching!