Lyra witnesses BRUTAL polar bear fight! | His Dark Materials - BBC

[@timovangalen1589]

Aside from the lack of jaw swiping and armour, my other problem with this scene is the fact that the other bears are all just wearing armour. In the book, Iofur forced the bears in his court to wear ridiculous human-like outfits that they immediately tear off after he dies. It's a small thing that really drives home the theme that Iofur led the bears astray, and that Iorek is their rightful king. Having them all just wear their armour robs the duel of meaning, and makes it seem like it didn't make a difference who was king.

[@TheBlackestKey]

Honestly a good 90% of this tv shows problems was the budget

[@abdullahx4908]

Lofur wanted to be baptised

[@lochness5524]

The book explanation makes more sense then what happened in the show. After the battle all the bears changed armour to show their loyalty to Lorek, but that contradicts the fact that their armour is irreplaceable

[@SirToaster9330]

that makes sense, but the same still happens in this show too

[@SirToaster9330]

@@TheBlackestKey small budget films tend to be the best :)

[@jppreto99]

I just wanted to see Iorek rip off the lower part of Iofur's jaw, like in the book, and in the movie...

[@rafi3341]

It would have been cool, I still loved the way this was done and he probably did in the blurred shot (there is a bit of a crack or something). Whilst some inaccuracies in the adaptation have annoyed, I thought this episode was quite close to the book; I was very happy when they made the guy in will's home fall over the cat, great detail.

[@timovangalen1589]

@@rafi3341 That's the money shot of the duel. Say what you want about the movie, but at least they got that part right. Another thing this duel doesn't do right is the fact that Iorek doesn't trick Iofur, which to be fair the movie doesn't do either.

[@animalqueen1237]

What.. the.. heck..

[@samc.o.3684]

@AlwaysThere The reason why Iorek kills Iofur off-screen behind Lyra, because it will be to horror and blood thirsty.

[@jc-kj8yc]

@@timovangalen1589 he does in the movie, they just don't spell it out. But if you pay attention he fakes his paw being hurt and then uses this paw to kill Ragnar

[@lou-bv8bb]

Sadly, this adaptation of the fight wasn't jaw dropping...

[@brettforsyth4842]

lmao

[@vixanspectre]

Oh.😂

[@RubyCarrots3232]

I can't say no to a good pun.

[@cfowler7936]

ffs lol

[@yourcrapp]

come on, all in all this is a much better adaptation then the old movie

[@my2randomcents]

One kinda misses Ian Mckellen's "that is all!" Triumphant moment

[@my2randomcents]

@@UNREAL8745 no, Mckellen In the 1st movie

[@UNREAL8745]

@@my2randomcents How tf did I miss that… For some reason I though you were talking about the other bear😅 I’ll take my L

[@mek5882]

“No polar bears were harmed in the production of this scene”

[@dylanjj]

Imagine having armored bears and having them fight without armor

[@isaaclee3788]

I actually like this version of Iofur, his voice fits his personality perfectly, brutal, serious and evil. He never bullshits or takes things lightly, he's ready for anything. And when he said, "Ready me for BATTLE!!" I got chills.

[@samc.o.3684]

I prefer Iorek Byrnisson's original voice in the 2007 movie version because his voice was clear and deeper

[@isaaclee3788]

@@samc.o.3684 I think both Iorek Byrnissons are equally good in terms of voice, Ian Mekllon sounds booming and loud like a bear, and the other man sounds rough and scary like a bear.

[@canonbehenna612]

I like the king of the polar bears voice more in the movie than in the series

[@isaaclee3788]

@@canonbehenna612 Yeah. To be fair, Iofur's voice in the movie is more accurate to how the book described his voice.

[@yoboibeerus1387]

Sounds like just a typical bully and a stereotypical villain. That type of voice can work but its overdone when the VA clearly tries to hard and just makes it sound bubbly.

[@beardednortherner64]

Is.....that....ALL?!

[@isahaqyusuf777]

Slices his jaw off Breaks his neck with jaws Gets his heart eaten

[@bundle1549]

"yes, that is all"

[@pedrocampos691]

Prwxcuio.

[@magdalenachmara9128]

I love those bears voices 😍 So deep and cool

[@zachariahkelley5298]

I love the bears voices to

[@michapawowski2645]

It may not be the best adaptation, but it is really good bear fight. And the cgi is just brilliant.

[@gdwolf7]

For sure!

[@theotheseaeagle]

What you on about this is 10x better than the film

[@abc.animal5143]

@@theotheseaeaglethis fight scene was done better in the movie, but everything else is better in the show

[@kamixakadio2441]

@@theotheseaeagle Show overall >>> Movie overall but Movie bear fight >>> Show bear fight. Not even remotely close of a comparison.

[@ivantheterrible2594]

I think I know why Iorek won this fight. He was more determined and knew how to fight like a bear. Sure Iofur did give him a pounding, but he underestimated him, was more concerned with his status and prestige amongst the other bears than he was about beating his opponent. He got careless, has probably been complacent over the years and not had to fight anyone since he took the throne. He behaved more like a human in a bear skin than an actual bear, Iorek saw his chance and grabbed him. That's why he won.

[@samc.o.3684]

0:23 1. The two Polar bears fight against each other without wearing their armors. 2:16 2. Iofur's demise (off-screen behind Lyra)

[@cfowler7936]

That sickening scream at the end from Lorek is enough for to us to know what happened.

[@isaaclee3788]

That was Iofur, not Iorek.

[@da96103]

Not enough.

[@savonlofton]

It's not enough when the rating of this show should've allowed them to show it. Why shy away from it?

[@marshallwayne-uf4pq]

Lorek was the main character

[@cfowler7936]

@@marshallwayne-uf4pq I knew the comment would come back to haunt me 😂 I remember realising I got the names mixed up but sort of said "screw it no one will notice" but here you are 😂

[@modsmum]

This series is so good. Ruth Wilson is brilliant. In fact the whole cast is great.

[@SjaAnat]

You can’t be serious

[@HasufelyArod]

Big difference, as the lower jaw was ripped off. Also, in the book they were wearing armors.

[@theotheseaeagle]

Even if it’s not exactly like the books, the series as whole is more book accurate than the film version

[@thepapistyourmotherwarnedy752]

Iorek: entire speech about how important his armor is Also Iorek: didn’t fight with it. This was plain disappointing, however many times people dump on the movie they definitely got the dæmons, how important they are and this fight right

[@GeffenAvraham]

Imagine if they remade The Phantom Menace, and it was really good, but they cut out the ending of Duel of the Fates and instead, the camera focuses on Anakin putting his hands over his ears after seeing the death of Qui-Gon, and Obi-Wan defeats Darth Maul off-screen.

[@orsenjoshlazarus]

Funny you mentioned that because Iofur was voiced by Peter Serafinowicz. The same actor who did Darth Maul's voice from The Phantom Menace.

[@graemewilliams5976]

I can understand why they cut out the jaw-smashing scene, but I found this fight really disappointing. One of the few things which the movie did better than the TV series. I also thought Iorek was underused in the Bolvangar rescue scene. It's a shame to see such a great character short-changed

[@v1olante]

In my humble opinion, it's probably because of the budget

[@KanishQQuotes]

Is that all

[@HasufelyArod]

0:18 as disappointing ad the whole thing was, I appreciate the fact that they kept Iofur's name.

[@xXLyra405Xx]

Other than the lack of development with the human/daemon relationships, this also felt like kind of a rushed let down. The family friendly 2007 movie felt like it had the daemon development, and didn't shy away from showing Iofur's brutal death. For some reason this adaption did, despite being shown on the TV an hour later than usual. This adaption really felt like it focused development on the human connections, which is fine, but a lot of it feels missed out. Some stuff with Will just felt like filler when really they could have put development between Lyra and Pan, or Lyra are Iorek in those moments.I still like the adaption, but it just lacks in a lot of areas. Hopefully the ending next week isn't butchered.

[@timovangalen1589]

Another minor but significant detail they missed is that when Lyra first sees Iofur in the book, he's holding a doll that resembles Ms. Coulter, showing how desperate he is for a daemon.

[@rumaysa9649]

What do you think of Lee in the show

[@jj_b5400]

It was only moved forward an hour due to scheduling conflicts, it was always intended to be pre-watershed and thus couldn't show graphic violence.

[@thepapistyourmotherwarnedy752]

@@rumaysa9649 His accent was too forced and sounded comedic, Lin tried WAAAY too hard. I definitely preferred the 2007 version, at least in that one Hester didn’t disappear into the background

[@BirdaeBlue]

At least we have both versions now that both have different things to offer

[@mr.manbat6897]

"Brutal", lol, even the movie version of the fight was better than this

[@vixanspectre]

Same.

[@PetrovOfficial]

@@vixanspectre and how about the movie version CGI? :)

[@RubyCarrots3232]

Never mention the movie again.

[@carnagekasady1743]

They actually fought like bears

[@GuyWhoLikesTheSnarkies1435]

Eh, that depend. Sure, this one lacks the "gore" as in the film and anything, but it's still a lot more brutal in a way since it's much more grounded to rl bear fight in so many ways and it's paired with the brilliant close-up shots which further elevate the intensity very well. I'd rather prefer the more intense, realistic CG fight in this one over that "pre-rendered game cutscenes" fight in the film version.. and honestly that silly bitchslap scenes only make it even less brutal for me lol

[@Anonymityfan]

My biggest issue was they weren't wearing armour so it was hard to tell who was who and the fight wasn't as good as in the golden compass movie. Still enjoyable though.

[@KanishQQuotes]

Is that all ?

[@Anonymityfan]

@KanishQQuotes yh. Why?

[@KanishQQuotes]

@@Anonymityfan you didn't get it

[@Anonymityfan]

@KanishQQuotes oh yh 'is that all' is a line in the movie (and I think book?)

[@calvinmusquez9162]

I feel like BBC corporate is largely to blame for the neutering of this scene. The rest of the show doesn't really pull punches, and we all know HBO has no problem with gratuitous violence, but the BBC Editorial Guidelines specifically mentions "unusual or sadistic methods of inflicting pain, injury or death" as having to be taken under serious consideration for broadcast, which I think may have poo-poo'ed the whole "jaw-dropping" climax to this fight.

[@history-makers]

Where’s their armor and the jaw drop and the intricate fight scene. What?!

[@theotheseaeagle]

It’s not that big of a deal lol. The series as a whole is more accurate to the book than the film that’s what matters

[@L3VV1SS]

The film wasn’t very good but the fight still gives me goosebumps to this day. This is disappointing

[@SirToaster9330]

the fight in this show is so bad, but everything else makes up for it

[@glowy_subject3050]

@@SirToaster9330 Bad only for book readers, I didn't know anything about the books and for me this was still quite a good battle

[@SirToaster9330]

@@glowy_subject3050 what no I mean the action in the show is bad, it's slow, bland, and ends on a randomly

[@phillymaine8104]

@@glowy_subject3050 all you had to do was watch the movie and you would understand why it’s so bad

[@yoboibeerus1387]

​@@glowy_subject3050 you probably didn't watch the movie either 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@234kashhd]

Yesss,...in first movie from the golden compass there is no blood in this duel,....this is make the his dark material more realistic and good of all

[@Jcash3139]

I came back, This fight scene was underwhelming so I watched the golden compass fight again and YES THAT IS ALLLLLLLLL

[@KanishQQuotes]

I like how brutal this is despite trying to keep the final one off screen with focus on the girl horrified But the movie fight is much much better Also why aren't they wearing armour ? It's an important thing to this Conflict

[@nathanjackson9112]

For all you people saying the fight in the movie was longer... literally the only time difference is 14 seconds

[@KanishQQuotes]

Is that all ?

[@joshuarosen202]

I would say maybe it would have been better with armor on but this makes more sense and I also think it break his jaw clean off would have more exciting as well

[@trilldadon100yago5]

"YES!..... THAT IS ALLL!" Will always be one of the coolest things I've seen as a kid, sad they didn't add it here

[@DemiX7X]

These gentle loving creatures need to be protected! Hopefully someday there will be a sanctuary for these bears

[@karolinakuc4783]

But these are not real bears they are CGI

[@samc.o.3684]

Iorek and Iofur should've warn their armors to fight against themselves like they did in the 2007 movie, also Iorek should've wacked his jaw off too. However in this TV series, the two king Polar bears fight over armor-less, and Iorek defeats Iofur off-screen behind Lyra, so it wasn't to horror and gory for viewers.

[@KanishQQuotes]

Even I didn't like the lack of armor But I think the off screen thing is done well with Lyra horrified closing her ears

[@zacharythomas5839]

Smaller budget. Can't blame them for less CGI. Did a great job with what they had.

[@envygotboard4107]

Movie name?

[@zacharythomas5839]

@@envygotboard4107 this is a tv series called His Dark Materials on HBOMAX.

[@MrKaje72]

So close...it’s unfortunate that the ratings hindered such an artistically complex piece. I know they worked hard to pull this together. An intense fight that was rendered vapid because of that missing catharsis.

[@apl175]

Ahh it reminds me of typical bear antics in West Hollywood at the weekend evenings before COVID....

[@delabuse]

See Lion King, that's how you make animal look realistic AND expressive !

[@hansalexanderleonard4791]

Damn, iofur voice is badddassss

[@vulupus5621]

Damn where's the slicing jaw scene? That part was what makes the fight between Lorek & Lofur iconic :'v

[@zachariahkelley5298]

I know right

[@lem1738]

If there aren’t any dismembered jaws, I’m not interested

[@boriskostic6964]

These two could whoop tiger's ass like It's nothing

[@MrDerrickmcwhorter]

Yo this show looks cool As! I’m gonna start watching!!

[@carnagekasady1743]

Not a good Idea to watch the serie after watching the whole bear fight lol

[@christopherjohnson5748]

The series may be better than the movie overall, but I can’t believe they shot/edited tis, stepped back, and said “I think that’s it,” especially when the fight in the film version is out there for comparison.

[@Foebane72]

They're ARMOURED BEARS, not polar bears!!

[@-Clutch-]

Same thing 😭

[@arumikahaven]

This absolutely sucked compared to the movie/book. And it makes no sense, the show was doing amazing up until then

[@AKGRIZZLY49]

They went for a more realistic approach to the fight.

[@niclastname]

@@AKGRIZZLY49 That's not usually the best idea when you're dealing with a fantasy world lol. So much was wrong in this fight compared to the book or movie.

[@pedrocampos1787]

The Cave Bear.

[@maxflores3276]

These bears are boxing fr.

[@click1865]

just reminds me of 2 drunk uncles going at it

[@Playa001]

The fight is more… uhh bear like. But the movie fight was a lot more exciting. Still thought this looks incredible.

[@-Clutch-]

“ We do bear ways, not human “

[@coreyfisler8663]

0:25 round 1, fight!⚔⚔⚔⚔⚔⚔⚔⚔⚔⚔⚔⚔

[@joshuarosen202]

In the books Iorek kills Iofur like how his is and eats his heart

[@indiarose6350]

1:20 HE NEEDS CPR!!!!!!!!!😂

[@darrylthompson7453]

They're fighting without armor?

[@kammie_elise_25]

One of my favorite movies EVER!! YES!!

[@SjaAnat]

This is a tv show, not a movie.

[@kamixakadio2441]

Disappointing how the mostly Not-faithful Movie did the fight more justice.

[@kFlynn_217]

In terms of book-fidelity: movie In terms of cgi and physics: series

[@angelolorenzo2770]

In the book, he ate his heart

[@coreyfisler8663]

that's terrible!!😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱

[@RisingFell]

Seeing the false king die is one of the best bits in the books and the film, to barely see anything and have it all blurred out and hidden is such a disappointment and so ridiculous. It was such a show of power and strength, and it finally shut the false king up. Literally the best part of the fight and we see nothing.

[@Silentprincess360]

90% of these comments will be about how they prefer the original fight from the film.

[@elijahbranford2618]

Honestly like how they made the Bears fight each other without their armor. but I wanted to see a little bit more like iorek Rip's Lofur jaw off.

[@Feral-xi5rr]

0:24 tiger roar?

[@pedrocampos691]

The saber tooth tiger.

[@Feral-xi5rr]

@@pedrocampos691 Sabertooth was not a tiger

[@tyronegrayii3246]

Yes it is a tiger

[@tyronegrayii3246]

Yes the saber tooth is a tiger

[@Feral-xi5rr]

@@tyronegrayii3246 it's not tiger is a machairodontidae an extinct feline

[@GiOvAnNiSaNcHeZ420]

I wish they would’ve made a second movie with the same actors :(

[@jiayouazhary]

why would need a movie if we already have a damn good tv series with the same quality?

[@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive]

What’s an armored bear without his armor?

[@nightmareguardian9310]

lofurs had a huge advantage at the starting but lorek kicked lofurs ass at the end and I'm surprised that he is much smaller than the bigger one size sometimes does not matter it's strength and smarts

[@DanielSadjadian]

Not the best fight scene but still the best show ever.

[@samc.o.3684]

I prefer the 2007 movie version where the outside fight scene takes place and Iorek and Iofur/Ragnar fighting over to be king while wearing their armors to protect their skin. Iorek wacking Ragnar's jaw off wasn't to blood thirsty, that was my best. Blood shouldn't be shown on-screen outside the bear's cave in the the BBC TV version as Iofur's demise was played behind Lyra off-screen so it wasn't to blood thirsty for viewers.

[@ReallyWasTheLastDance]

There are better series

[@blitzer9981]

I don’t mind this fight, and I don’t mind the fight in the movie, but neither really capture what I’m looking for in this battle. If only we could take the best parts from both and merge them together. From the Movie: The bears in their armour (like, Jesus it’s in their bloody name! It’s their soul! Come on guys!), The brutality of the Iofer’s death (bloody PG’ed to death, at least give us a neck snap, Ma Costa did it last episode!) and better lighting (it was kinda hard to see initially on tv). From the Show: The updated graphics (while I miss the armour, these bears look damn terrifying and I’m here for it!), That entire ending bit with Lyra, Iofer and Iorek (while the movie was admittedly cool with that “Is that all” bit, I much prefer Lyra coming to Iroeks aide, Iofer realising he’s been duped and going for the kill, and Iorek finding the strength to get up and take him down. I stan a protective Father Bear). Now we just need an adaption that puts all of that together and we might get something close to what we deserve!

[@hellothere1457]

I wanted to see Iorek fake his paw injury

[@marshallwayne-uf4pq]

He did not fake his paw injury, Lorek used his other paw.

[@michaelkelley2727]

movie bear fight was better, but this fight is a close second

[@arlenekovacs3017]

This fight is awesome

[@amybananana]

Why were they without armour? It makes no sense

[@leah-marie5031]

I think it's because it's supposed to be a fight to the death, but seeing them wearing armor would have been cool.

[@amybananana]

@@leah-marie5031 in the book they fight with the armour, and it's because they never go anywhere without it. It's supposed to be a part of their soul, I think they also say that in the show

[@leah-marie5031]

@@amybananana I know and I agree that they should be wearing it

[@jose17981]

Like black panther.

[@timovangalen1589]

I assume it was done for budgetary reasons. Probably cheaper to animate without armour.

[@smnoy23]

This scene is objectively rad as hell but I can't help but prefer the movie/book version. Which is not something I thought I'd say about this otherwise TREMENDOUS adaptation!

[@austinwoods466]

Bear stud.

[@beastmaster0934]

Overall, the show is better than the movie. But the movie’s fight between Iorek and Ragnar/Iofur is WAY better than the show’s. Mainly because they don’t shy away from showing how Iorek kills Ragnar/Iofur

[@zachariahkelley5298]

facts bruh

[@Mr.Floyd1984]

for some reason, not showing yorick killing lorek and hearing him scream like that makes it even more graphic

[@francescomarchio115]

Not at the same level of the movie, but amazing battle

[@zachariahkelley5298]

i wish they had a scene of lofur raknison put blood on his face before he and iorek byrnison fought each other in this episode

[@kineographBOT]

Lame. They didn’t have have the same conviction as the Golden Compass.

[@da96103]

Lyra should move aside so that we can see the fight.

[@zachariahkelley5298]

exactly

[@MichaelBroadhurst-it3eo]

Wow 😳

[@javinrichardson]

Is Lorek the same polar bear from the movie “the golden compass “?

[@Infinite-void908]

Yeah, he's the same character

[@javinrichardson]

@@Infinite-void908 I knew I wasn’t going crazy , I was wondering if it was

[@SPM0717]

​@@javinrichardson They're both based on the book The Northern Lights in His Dark Materials series.

[@javinrichardson]

@@SPM0717 oh ok . That’s what I was thinking

[@gphx]

It's tempting to draw comparisons between the movie and series here. Instead I'll just be glad we get to enjoy both for what they are.

[@MrGruzefix]

HM. I was waiting for his feint with the hurt arm from the books, but OK. Overall, I kinda feel this show generally suffers from having not enough of a budget to do the book real justice. There is hardly any Daemons or in this case bears around, which ends up with a world that feels kinda empty

[@Powerslave62]

dont know what you expect from a BBC tv series - it isnt HBO or Netflix with the mega budgets they have. The world and the effects look mighty fine to me, but that is just my opinion of course

[@MrGruzefix]

@@Powerslave62 actually it's literally on HBO :P They paid for the exlusive rights and produced it together with BBC

[@stelmaria-mx]

Agreed its so good but the little things pull me out of it

[@senjuguy]

I was waiting so bad to see Iorek knock his jaw off but nope. They did it off screen

[@emilyscloset2648]

Same but its still a better adaptation than the golden compass like by introducing will eariler for example. Would have also liked to see them submit to iorek too but hey ho

[@khalilbradley3016]

How did lofur get that scar in his face

[@mikeyg8568]

At least Golden Compass showed Iofur's death. And it was triumphant.

[@tyronegrayii3246]

Thaddeus look out get out of the giant polar bear fight

[@jamesrobson8308]

This is that golden compass preqel

[@shohnke]

Well, what they made of the fight compared to the books sucks. They don't even wear their armours. Also Lyra being so stupid to drop the act???? What the hell were they smoking.

[@-Clutch-]

It’s better with no armor and no protection just raw strength and skill don’t be dumb mate she was upset and worried

[@HexagonalspyTheSpy]

With all due respect, I rather watch the polar bear fight in the Golden Compass movie than this fight. No offense.

[@brovusmarillian3303]

ohh come on even the Movie showed Iorek punching his jaw off.

[@tyronegrayii3246]

I've come here to give you a real fight you fool you are no king and I will show you that

[@AveryScarlet]

Oh c'mon, at least the movie didn't pussy out in the most brutal moments of the book. As much as we dislike the movie, it did some moments justice. Ah well...

[@draccoonxcii1288]

No... Armor??

[@TarkTheWild]

Why didnt they add the jaw snap off??

[@freddybonilla2472]

You see The Golden compass and his dark materials are both part of the same fantasy books

Rất thích những flm như này 💓💓💓

[@gdwolf7]

And we witness her, mostly, witnessing the fight, instead of witnessing the full fight ha!

[@EH-so3rp]

Only thing i love or even like about this is how well they made the bear cgi making the muscles jiggle with every hit it looked almost like a real bear fight Im just sad that the story wasnt as good as the og movie or book this has disappointed me If this cgi was used w the og scene of the fight it wouldve been fk amazing

[@SuperBowserJrRyan0305]

2:29 lorek byrnison has won!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@giacomorinaldi8803]

They should have kept their damn armors, HBO. I hated the movie but at least the fight was spot on

[@guillerposbo5839]

Yeah... Brutal...😒👌