M-V-Y - Master Class - World of Tanks

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QuickyBaby

QuickyBaby

Күн бұрын

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@MrPH3N0M3NAL
@MrPH3N0M3NAL Жыл бұрын
QB switched back to APCR because he wanted to save credits. Sure sure, it certainly wasn't because you wanted to track the e100 for more assist dmg :D
@njking3d61
@njking3d61 Жыл бұрын
Qb sucks
@iTzNice01
@iTzNice01 Жыл бұрын
Yeah he was aiming for the tracks
@robertoavalosjr.2529
@robertoavalosjr.2529 Жыл бұрын
QB is a liar
@BaldEagle777
@BaldEagle777 Жыл бұрын
​@@robertoavalosjr.2529rude
@jagdpanzere.onehundred911
@jagdpanzere.onehundred911 6 ай бұрын
QB does love credits and tracking so it could be both
@AI0102
@AI0102 Жыл бұрын
QB as you started posting master class series, I started playing those tank, and as I played those tanks you have posted on master class series, this increased my win rate by almost 5 to 10 percent which was previously 52 percent and now it is almost 60. Thanks a lot and I hope you post more of these series.
@nightsounds8366
@nightsounds8366 Жыл бұрын
Seeing the weak spots on the M-V-Y actually helped because it was always a pain to deal with on a hill
@Wangpi3ce
@Wangpi3ce 11 ай бұрын
that slot under the turret is big, had no idea that was there.
@Panic_Wot
@Panic_Wot Жыл бұрын
Easily my fav T10. The ROF is so good, the armour is reliable, mobility is great, and it just mops up in the late game. It does struggle against beefy bois tho
@Hyphessobrycon
@Hyphessobrycon Жыл бұрын
thank you QB for showcasing another tank in the master class series!! We would greatly appreciate if you updated your master class playlist in your channel. I find myself coming back over and over again to these videos, and having them compiled into a playlist would be super nice!
@JoshuaMacri147
@JoshuaMacri147 Жыл бұрын
This has been such a great help for me! I switched my setup to the ones you recommend, and in this tank I jumped from 41% damage to 66% damage. As a relatively new player, this was my first T10 mark of excellence. I'd also like to say that this is the only T10 I've played in where I've gotten more than 6,500 dmg. (Pls don't bully me) Thank you QB!
@alphaxalex1634
@alphaxalex1634 Жыл бұрын
I love the M-V-Y but it has its problems which is good. However, I do feel that the 105 needs slightly better gun handling. Being 25% worse than a super C with a gun that has 10% less damage doesn’t make sense to me so giving it that little extra gun handling will make the tank feel less derpy for the gun that it has. Also I’d recommend the experimental hardening as the fuel tanks seem to be quite bad on this especially when hit from the side
@talbarerez
@talbarerez Жыл бұрын
Funnily enough earlier today I watched other of your videos about the M-V-Y, the tank review and the "MY KIND OF TANK" video. The timing to upload this video is just hilarious to me 😂
@antinotice
@antinotice Жыл бұрын
I actually prefer bigger guns on Yoh heavies. Higher alpha seems more usable than ~200-250 more DPM. It's easier to play and trade with it. Tier 8 is an exception, because 240 alpha is more usable at tier VIII than 320 at tier IX and 360 at tier X. Short reload means you can trade 2 for 1 - something that becomes extremely tricky at tier 9 and 10 with many high DPM tanks that have 400-440 alpha. Penetration difference is negligible because of normalization, shell velocity is still great (1120 m/s) and having usable HE shell helps. Shame about worse accuracy, gun handling and aiming time, though (they are still great for 440 alpha heavy tank). Smaller guns are great on paper but they don't fit Yoh tanks. You have neither armor nor mobility to make proper use of them and DPM is not good enough for such alpha (less than 400 alpha heavies...). You meet E5 or S.Conq and you are toasted because they are better hulldown tanks and hit harder with barely ~1s longer reload (so you have zero room to fire twice before they reload). This is similar situation to Czech heavies and their single-shot guns. On paper, normal guns are vastly better in every way. In practice, autoloaders is what makes those tanks work. M-V-Y can be medium tank wannabe with 105 mm and be worse than an actual medium tank in every way or you can be a slightly faster, a bit softer T110E5 that hits harder. It's worth mentioning that 120 mm gets bonus points for surprising enemies because hardly anyone expect to be hit this hard by an american heavy tank... Of course, this is just my opinion. I don't use purple equipment, directives and all that fancy stuff. Perhaps with all those advantages it's possible to push 360 alpha to the point of usability. For me, it was a struggle and I hated the fact that both heavies and mediums can hit me harder and often reload faster or almost as fast as me. Once I unlocked 120 mm gun I never looked back.
@matthewpaine6908
@matthewpaine6908 Ай бұрын
105 mm is way better, you can shoot an equal tier heavy twice or even three times for every shot into your tank. You have to play very aggressive in to make it work however, so if you are and inexperience player or a passive player, you will struggle to make the 105 work.
@AMSRocker
@AMSRocker Жыл бұрын
QB thank you for doing these. I really like the fact that you are not focusing on only the popular tanks. I find these videos very helpful and really look forward to the next one coming out in the Master Class series! Well done!
@01Zipang
@01Zipang Жыл бұрын
I grinded this tank pretty early even if it was "bad". But it's incredibly fun in the right situation and the fast firing gun is really good for track locking. The premium isn't bad (outside of the credit price) and hull down you can still get reliable bounces with it. It's not a hidden gem by any means but it's tank that can shine under the right circumstances and if you know how to wheel it. It's a pretty fun Tier X and I find myself going to it pretty often compared to the leopard or the Udes
@benjaminpedersen6345
@benjaminpedersen6345 Жыл бұрын
The 3d styles are legit the best. i can soon choose one after im done with battlepass
@touficjammoul4482
@touficjammoul4482 Жыл бұрын
QB: no fast heavy tanks in the game with good gun depression. also QB : shoots at a Concept 1B. a medium tank speed and a hull down monister.
@shalakabooyaka1480
@shalakabooyaka1480 Жыл бұрын
Love the way this derpy ass tank looks. Reminds me of the Battle Droids from SW. "Roger Roger"
@Davuf
@Davuf Жыл бұрын
9:39 well obviously. In Soviet Russia the clock ticks you!
@pressltobias3964
@pressltobias3964 11 ай бұрын
Is the treeline of this tank fun to play? I have been thinking about grinding for it.
@8bpspfreak2
@8bpspfreak2 Жыл бұрын
7:51 ah yes, the assistance for your "opponents" behind you! I almost forgot WoT is 1 vs. 29 :D (some times at least)
@akairyu1291
@akairyu1291 Жыл бұрын
One of my favorites, with 55%wr. I have a segondary equipment for speeeeeed
@Gate0r
@Gate0r Жыл бұрын
I love mine. Always feels like a challenge to do well in though. They really need to tweak that 120mm gun to make it a viable option though. It’s just outclassed by the 105
@ugginator6876
@ugginator6876 Жыл бұрын
Sad to see that the tier X on this line in World of Tanks Blitz (M-6 Yoh) is much better because it has an autoloader.
@matthewkabanuk443
@matthewkabanuk443 Жыл бұрын
Essentially the blitz one is a Yoh with a Vz.55 gun
@theisfnatic5551
@theisfnatic5551 Жыл бұрын
Plus the tech tree on blitz is actually numbered properly🥴
@ugginator6876
@ugginator6876 Жыл бұрын
@@theisfnatic5551 Except for the M-VII-Yoh
@iustinirimescu2258
@iustinirimescu2258 Жыл бұрын
You can do a mastery clasa for ebr 105
@RedXlV
@RedXlV Жыл бұрын
22:55 So ridiculous that it makes any difference that you hit an ally, seeing as it's been impossible to damage a teammate for years now. Which means that now, all such a thing does is further incentivize griefers to block a teammate's shots to deny them awards they've earned.
@arvidsasse165
@arvidsasse165 Жыл бұрын
what is the number 922 at 23:32 ?
@AndyVasilev
@AndyVasilev Жыл бұрын
The first game have already been featured in an older video called All action american heroes
@robertflint4115
@robertflint4115 Жыл бұрын
Question: how do 3 crewmen, main gun breach, ammo, hydraulic system and other equipment all fit in that turret? 🧐 physically impossible 😕 Rock on tankers 🤘😎
@robertflint4115
@robertflint4115 Жыл бұрын
I guess if EBR’s can do all the impossible things they do, why not. 😂
@WoTjolly
@WoTjolly Жыл бұрын
Great tank, i live it. I know the 122 is not the most competitive, but sometimes the alpha makes up for the drawbacks. As far as equipment i don't find the vents gamechangina and i play it with turbo, gun rammer and hardening 😊
@Milfsuu
@Milfsuu Жыл бұрын
80 more alpha does not make up for less dpm, worse gun handling, worse aiming time, worse traverse speed and worse pen values. U can think that it does but it doesn't
@WoTjolly
@WoTjolly Жыл бұрын
@Milfsuu in many cases it's worth it, you need to peak fewer times and therefore you take less damage
@Milfsuu
@Milfsuu Жыл бұрын
@@WoTjolly but when u peak u have to aim longer if u don't want to snap shot every single shot, so therefore u have to expose urself to enemies for longer periods at a time when playing with 120mm gun
@WoTjolly
@WoTjolly Жыл бұрын
@Milfsuu you can setup the tank with the fields mods differently to compensate, the 120 has 2s aim time, it's not bad for a heavy, not the best either. One more thing is that you have more capability to overmatch armour even if it penetrates less
@Milfsuu
@Milfsuu Жыл бұрын
@@WoTjolly there's not many plates that 120mm will overmatch at tier 10, 122 would be a different story. But like i said, u use what gun u like, usually better players use the 105. Also if the 120 gun suits better for u then m-v-y is not the tank for u, just stating my opinion
@smoloms
@smoloms Жыл бұрын
I just started up the line and I miss the alpha that the E5 line has, but at the same time it’s also just been reliable just like the E5 line
@greguito917
@greguito917 Жыл бұрын
Honestly I really like this one !
@anshuldwivedi1919
@anshuldwivedi1919 Жыл бұрын
I find myself being more consistent with the 120mm gun; the alpha seems suitable for a HT.
@Tank-Talk
@Tank-Talk Жыл бұрын
more please
@stevenmclaughlin2138
@stevenmclaughlin2138 Жыл бұрын
excellent MC QB. Cheers for the content! I haven't bought this yet but have the tier IX....
@matthewbrown5228
@matthewbrown5228 Жыл бұрын
"no heavy tanks that have good speed and good gun depression" Kranvagn: "should...should I leave...or...?"
@williamst.germain3394
@williamst.germain3394 Жыл бұрын
This is the type of tank that requires the player to actually 'Play' the game as it was intended. Not like the BZ premium where it just trolls and rolls wherever the hell it wants with damn near no reprecussions.
@The3eka
@The3eka 11 ай бұрын
Krangvagen still standing there 09:15 🏆🏆
@lucabehrens6108
@lucabehrens6108 Жыл бұрын
Still wondering why this tank has a reserved track but the Phase doesn't
@BlaZeFisto
@BlaZeFisto Жыл бұрын
hey quicky baby you should make some video on like the top 5 tier ten medium tanks heavy’s tanks destroyer etc or best tech tree lines
@Dman08mWS
@Dman08mWS Жыл бұрын
can you do a AMX 30 B review plz
@brians9879
@brians9879 Жыл бұрын
he already did
@XDLadiesManXD
@XDLadiesManXD Жыл бұрын
the Rinoceronte is really fast and has good gun depression!
@Swellington_
@Swellington_ Жыл бұрын
Yup,one of my favorite tanks in the game
@XDLadiesManXD
@XDLadiesManXD Жыл бұрын
@@Swellington_ same, absolutely love it!
@HatteKlatten
@HatteKlatten Жыл бұрын
Do Centurion AX next ✌️
@loops7071
@loops7071 10 ай бұрын
Wait what the Yoh series ain't an autoloader in WoT PC?
@sigvehaslie4639
@sigvehaslie4639 Жыл бұрын
Now the big question remains, and that is, will we be seeing QB everday for the rest of the year? I truly hope so;). Love your content
@Depth867
@Depth867 4 ай бұрын
I don't understand why the m5y route was buffed in the lesta version but not in the WG version.
@UnSovereignedCitizen69
@UnSovereignedCitizen69 Жыл бұрын
I think its unfortunate that this tank is in the state or role its in. Id like to say its a jack of all trades but i cant even say that about it. This tank was available on wotb for quite some time before wg realeased it to wot. Its interesting to me because wot got the vz 55 before blitz but blitz got the yo's before vz line. From what ive seen playing both versions of the game, blitz is where a lot of new mechanics and potentially OP or toxic tanks get released and tested on first before wg decides to release them to wot. Example, when blitz got yo tanks, none of them had the reserve track system but from t8-t10 they all had auto loaders. I beleive these tank was originally designed in real life to use auto loaders. When wg released yo tanks to blitz, we had them for about 5 or 6 month before wot had them and 3 month before that wg released the vz line with the 2 shot high damage auto loaders. Wg released the yo tanks on blitz from t9-t10 with the option of a 3 round 105mm auto loader with 350 damage and 3 second intra clip reload and or the 120mm with 2 rounds and a 1.75 second intra clip reload similar to that of the vz 55 with 450 alpha damage. When blitz finally received the vz line, none of those heavies had an auto loader option because we basically already had the same gun on the t9 & t10 yo tanks. Another interesting thing to note is that on blitz, the m6 yo is t10 and the m5 yo is t9. We have also had the new Japanese tds for quite while now. At least the last 2 years or so along with the new Japanese heavy tank line. The type 71 heavy tank is a monster on blitz and i suspect will be no different when it finally gets released to wot. Maybe im wrong but i feel that wg prioritizes wot over blitz and uses blitz as a low key super super tester for all of the potentially controversial and or upcoming future tank lines. In this regards they're able to test and iron out a lot more potential problem a head of time as they know somewhat to expect from the blitz players feedback play the tanks. Thus this leaves less room for complaints of broken or op tanks by time they release them to wot for super test. If anyone has read all of this, i applaud and commend you for making it this far. Its just the only way ive been able to truly make sense of how they release certain tanks and tank lines into the games.
@juanzulu1318
@juanzulu1318 Жыл бұрын
Where is the Commander "Cover Girl" from? 2:44
@itoldyou7887
@itoldyou7887 Жыл бұрын
I got this tank recently but didn't test it yet, I have Arnie as commander @ 79% of his 5th skill and 3 ladies from Xmas event and they @ 71% of their 4th skill, same your 1st equipment setup but used rotation device instead of the vent
@Milfsuu
@Milfsuu Жыл бұрын
Why??? Why IRM??? What makes u think that this tank needs IRM? Put atleast vstab instead of IRM and I promise u that u get better games
@itoldyou7887
@itoldyou7887 Жыл бұрын
Because of the slow turret/hull traverse speed, IRM will make the tank more efficient against fast tanks@@Milfsuu
@koykoy8244
@koykoy8244 Жыл бұрын
Imagine if the same tech tree YOH's in Blitz was implemented in PC 🤷‍♂️ love my TierX YOH with 120mm autoloader
@Djoki1
@Djoki1 Жыл бұрын
Look guys, its the tank with the *track mechanic* . Anyway, you might wanna alter the thumbnail a bit. The L in "Class" is a bit shy
@riderZ873
@riderZ873 Жыл бұрын
FV215b catching fire twice.. what a shocker
@trogdortamer48
@trogdortamer48 Жыл бұрын
1:16 that's actually 60 percent worse if you're comparing 10 to 6 rather than 6 to 10! If that makes any sense.
@ishiggidiggi
@ishiggidiggi Жыл бұрын
he's making this thing look like an armored grille-friend with benefits
@YiweiShi-z4t
@YiweiShi-z4t Жыл бұрын
At 16:18 QB actually blocked E50M from falling back. It seems he didn't notice that.
@BulwerRudolf-y6t
@BulwerRudolf-y6t 2 ай бұрын
Welch Pines
@brycesolomon9933
@brycesolomon9933 Жыл бұрын
Is your Commander an Easy Breezy Beautiful ad campaign??
@WebsterWright-t2y
@WebsterWright-t2y 2 ай бұрын
727 Orrin Fields
@ByronBurke-i1b
@ByronBurke-i1b 2 ай бұрын
653 Deckow Ramp
@BlueBaron3x7
@BlueBaron3x7 Жыл бұрын
Turret Depression is 66.66% worse Dr QB on 120mm
@RuskVanessa-z9e
@RuskVanessa-z9e 2 ай бұрын
Missouri River
@JedSansouci-e4z
@JedSansouci-e4z 2 ай бұрын
Tressie Circles
@AnderRusel-u8x
@AnderRusel-u8x Ай бұрын
Ralph Mills
@yevgeniykhakhaev9788
@yevgeniykhakhaev9788 Жыл бұрын
you're not wrong, the clocks do tick differently in russia..... is US they go tick-tock, in Russia they go tick-tack
@josegarcia3000
@josegarcia3000 Жыл бұрын
Im very New in Wot PC (i played Wot blitz for 4 years), but someone could recommend me a line? I go for lines that I know, but idk to much about WOT PC, thank you guys
@eclypse1259
@eclypse1259 Жыл бұрын
The 257 that ran away just needs to uninstall.
@GuyCurrie-z6z
@GuyCurrie-z6z 2 ай бұрын
Lacy Burg
@RantrexGames
@RantrexGames Жыл бұрын
The mention that stock gun is the best BY FAR is simply untrue. Sure, it has quite a few advantages but there are tracks that you will not take down with one shot and hitting enemies for 360 is kinda riddiculous in t10 heavy. Both are fairly competitive and no person is mad to use one or the other...
@Milfsuu
@Milfsuu Жыл бұрын
Let me put it simply: better players use the 360 alpha gun just because it's more competitive in basically every way. Higher alpha is not a reason to take the 120mm gun, actually there is not a single reason why anyone should take the 120mm gun instead of the 105mm. But if u play with the 120mm then play with it. In the long run dpm is more important than alpha. Same concept goes with E100, 152mm gun is not better than the 128mm. Yes, 152mm gun has better gold pen but better players still play with the 128mm because it's just more competitive and simply just better
@RantrexGames
@RantrexGames Жыл бұрын
@@Milfsuu Higher alpha is actually pretty good reason to use the 120mm which is why better players use it
@Milfsuu
@Milfsuu Жыл бұрын
@@RantrexGames name one actually good player who uses the 120 gun. Here's few examples who uses the 105: skill, daki, kajzoo, msimpson. Well i can name that one good player who uses 120 and it's orzanel, but he's the ONLY ONE i know that uses 120
@RantrexGames
@RantrexGames Жыл бұрын
@@Milfsuu That's beside the point so sorry but no
@Milfsuu
@Milfsuu Жыл бұрын
@@RantrexGames u said better players use the 120 gun but yet u refuse to tell me who uses it....
@kalouthiam1729
@kalouthiam1729 2 ай бұрын
Josh Estate
@ellazeaustin1404
@ellazeaustin1404 Ай бұрын
187 Hudson Meadows
@przemeklewandowski7476
@przemeklewandowski7476 Жыл бұрын
M-V-Y is such a strange tank; a heavium but in a wrong way: you get armor and alpha of a medium and size (height) of a heavy. The only really good thing is speed. Personally, I don't like it and rarely play it. There are so many better tanks I don't see any reasons why anybody would grind this specific line.
@1997jankuschef
@1997jankuschef Жыл бұрын
Too easy, I had to. Of course clocks tick different in Russia, they stopped completely in 1999 😂
@luke_angelo
@luke_angelo Жыл бұрын
AMBT in the last game was a payed actor
@IP-zk2fo
@IP-zk2fo 11 ай бұрын
amx 50 B ????
@voicelag
@voicelag 9 ай бұрын
Hardly see this tank
@HarteZoe-k9p
@HarteZoe-k9p 2 ай бұрын
Crooks Flat
@HamiltonBroderick
@HamiltonBroderick 2 ай бұрын
2025 Tyrique Field
@StevenAllen-u6z
@StevenAllen-u6z 2 ай бұрын
2922 Tess Causeway
@axtanicsecretworkshop1137
@axtanicsecretworkshop1137 Жыл бұрын
Is this reupload or i'm having heavy dejavu?
@AndyVasilev
@AndyVasilev Жыл бұрын
No, it's not a reupload but he has already featured the first game of the video in another video called All action american heroes
@axtanicsecretworkshop1137
@axtanicsecretworkshop1137 Жыл бұрын
@@AndyVasilev Thx, now thats why I kinda remember that first clip lol.
@viktorreznov8740
@viktorreznov8740 Жыл бұрын
Is it me or is qbs videos getting g less likes and comments than videos past??
@CharlesEdwards-y5l
@CharlesEdwards-y5l 2 ай бұрын
Reichert Crossroad
@TylerOrville
@TylerOrville Ай бұрын
9555 Shakira Branch
@michaelclarke8507
@michaelclarke8507 Жыл бұрын
Sorry no crew returned to play this tank 15 days now WOT knows this and is fixing problem in upgrade still waiting, you are using WOT crew supplied a rating good luck missing any thing.
@djs9573
@djs9573 10 ай бұрын
Bro reused his replay
@voster77hh
@voster77hh Жыл бұрын
Can we pls go back to easily tracking people in WoT? All the new mechanics to ease up getting tracked for noob players ruin the game tactics appeal. It is totally pointless to play lights these days. TDs can't really be tracked anymore and racking up high assistance has become nearly impossible. Vision system is conceptually broken by this tweak. Even TDs themselves got a harder time, as they can't track enemies out of sight and work them down. Wargaming really listened to the wrong people complaining about being tracked a lot. Needing two shots to track people is totally bad. It would have been much better to shave 25% or 50% of the repair time.
@A-ZEE_GAMING_TIGER75931
@A-ZEE_GAMING_TIGER75931 11 ай бұрын
DON'T WORRY, I AM UNLOCKING THIS T 10 TANK, SOON IT WILL BE ON SALE. AND I WILL CHANGE THOSE STATES WITHIN A YEAR. AND I WANT TO KNOW WHEN IT WILL BE ON SALE SOMEONE IN THE GAME TOLD ME 24.12. 2023 IS THE DAY WHEN IT WILL BE ON SALE. IS THAT TRUE?
@Enzo-16
@Enzo-16 Жыл бұрын
wargaming say: Developer Diaries. Modern tanks 931 K views 8 years ago
@Costgav
@Costgav Жыл бұрын
It's nice to play vs even reds they are black players gj Qb 😂😂😂
@lunalane
@lunalane Жыл бұрын
Literally every tank is rammer tank unless the game literally prevents you from equipping it. Also stab is superior than vent as it improves your accuracy and aiming time by a huge margin. So if you have two setups I would run hp, rammer, stabs and second setup hp, rammer, turbo. Or, if you wanna be really fancy and you like this tank, use the experimental stuff, it works really well on this tank, so exp hp, rammer, MIS. You can theoretically forgo the hp and play turbo, stabs, rammer but the benefits of hp are pretty big, especially if you have to watch qb videos.
@unbekannternr.1353
@unbekannternr.1353 Жыл бұрын
Your content suffers alot without adblocker, especially 'Master Class' vids get chopped up to dust.
@UnSovereignedCitizen69
@UnSovereignedCitizen69 Жыл бұрын
Everybody's gotta eat. Qb has to keep up his marmite funds.
@unbekannternr.1353
@unbekannternr.1353 Жыл бұрын
He mostly feeds those sandwiches to the VCR or the keyboard, FEED THE HUNGRY!!...GG@@UnSovereignedCitizen69
@GideonpriyadharsanW
@GideonpriyadharsanW Жыл бұрын
Looks like this tank sucks for me
@bikeguy3034
@bikeguy3034 Жыл бұрын
Lol 257 in second game so obviously a bot. Pretty easy to get 8k games playing against bots huh....
@airspectfps4862
@airspectfps4862 Жыл бұрын
@jaskakikkeritoivasdewqsdw2174
@jaskakikkeritoivasdewqsdw2174 Жыл бұрын
First comment! Great vids GB!
@robstervienna4695
@robstervienna4695 Жыл бұрын
I love master class videos, but not for this crap ;)
@alexcornish5946
@alexcornish5946 Жыл бұрын
first😀😀
@alexcornish5946
@alexcornish5946 Жыл бұрын
great vids, thx QB for how to set up these tanks. (Bodmin77)
@johnscott107
@johnscott107 Жыл бұрын
i hate this tank just for the way it looks, it makes the game even more of a joke. I know it was an actual design on paper, but seriously, its just a joke.
@matheusheimann6280
@matheusheimann6280 Жыл бұрын
FIrst one yey
@Do-U-SmellThat
@Do-U-SmellThat Жыл бұрын
I can't believe you're using the Russian version but I guess having a Belarusian wife you do like Russia
@theimmux3034
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shut up?????
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