M1 Garand - Campfire stories

[@TacticalThaumaturge]

In the wise words of Clint Smith on the Garand's ping "lore": "You just shot 8 rounds of 30-06. Everyone around you is FUCKING DEAF"

[@Zach_Hazard]

I fucking love that quote

[@TheMaleAlicorn]

@@Zach_Hazard Would you be nice enough to say what the reference is? I don't get it.

[@floopusdoopus]

@@TheMaleAlicornsome people believe that the garand ping would tell the enemy that you were out of ammo, but when there are thousands of people around you blasting 30.06 you cant really hear the ping

[@TheMaleAlicorn]

@@floopusdoopus ahhhh thanks

[@Kaarl_Mills]

​@@floopusdoopus assuming their hearing wasn't also fucked by Hans and Franz squeezing off several hundred bullets from an MG42

[@zonk4718]

Zach taking guns to Mikes house when recording is so hilariously on brand

[@jiin6]

i hear Zach likes guns

[@davidiceberg2744]

@@jiin6 :O

[@bogdeer4966]

Pub feed

[@scyfrix]

@@jiin6 I dunno man, that seems kinda far-fetched..

[@Hhbhhgfg]

​@@jiin6and feet

[@northland7885]

Ofc Zach would bring the rifle with him to Mike, its like his emotional service dog.

[@seran-nei227]

Emotional support rifle.

[@Ozymandias2x]

I mean, that PING definitely raises peoples' spirits.

[@orionakd]

That way, when World War III begins, Zach can instantly shoot emotional damage bullets at his enemies with his Emotional Support Rifle, right?

[@jaredpyle3425]

I need me some emotional support rifles

[@coldheartedreaper]

He's just showing off his new toy

[@Redhoodtcf]

“Why not give them Firearms with their food?” And that’s how Walmart came to be.

[@imperialbricks1977]

@@PlebNC Nice try, that guy was an eco-Marxist.

[@YamahaR12015]

RIP Walmart firearms

[@Hypastpist]

"give a man food, you will keep him fed for a day" "give him a gun, and he will be fed for the rest of his life"

[@Capt_Contractor]

@@YamahaR12015Yep. This is a comment written by someone who actually lives in the US. Rip indeed.

[@bruticus1496]

He eat well for sure for life if he has ultra depression

[@themadmanchannel9036]

"You know... I'm something of a gun enthusiast myself." -Zach Hazard

[@axelord4ever]

_'How do you do, fellow gun enthusiasts?'_

[@themadmanchannel9036]

@@axelord4ever Lol

[@TheTroofdotcom]

And just like that, Zach inadvertently started his own national militia via a former government program

[@librarianseth5572]

Hazard Squad: Like the Division, but far far cheaper

[@northland7885]

@@librarianseth5572 and more sillier....and warcrimes.

[@n0t_zat0ichi29]

​@@librarianseth5572 I feel like it would be more like bad company 💀

[@imperialbricks1977]

Baaaaaaased

[@jackhammertwo1]

Giving how damn corrupt the SHD IS in the current Lore,Zach would make his own versión instead.

[@driftertank]

There's two big benefits to the Garand ejecting the empty clip out the top: 1. Theres only 1 opening into the receiver for debris to enter. 2. When you're in a fire fight, and completely deaf from you and the rest of your squad mag-dumping .30-06, when you come up empty, the clip goes sailing through your sight picture to tell you its time to reload, so it much less likely your panicked and task-saturated brain makes you sit there tugging ineffectually at the trigger and wondering why your gun stopped working...

[@CassandraFortuna]

Both of those make perfect logical sense, I'd be curious to see if they were actual design considerations or just positive side-effects of the action.

[@rdrrr]

​​​​​​​​​@@CassandraFortunaI would say probably just a side effect of the action, but it's definitely neat. I could be wrong, militaries have specified kooky stuff before. The Czechoslovak vz.58 has an open-top design so you can feed it with stripper clips like an SKS. Is that really useful? Probably not but it's a neat party trick. It was, however, a design consideration the Czechoslovak military considered important. The visually similar (but internally different) AK cannot feed from stripper clips because the ejection port isn't open at the top. Why the Czechoslovak military thought that was important while the Russians didn't I do not know.

[@fuzztsimmers3415]

Has a bolt hold open the clip moving into your means nothing

[@kireta21]

@@rdrrr I'm guessing the only reason is because Vz.52 had this feature. Requirements tend to have legacy features even when marginally useful, and it's usually designers who have to convince people drafting them, that it gets in way and it's more beneficial to remove it. Like mag feeding on M249. Is it cool to be able to use M16 mags in M249? Sure. How often you run out of ammo for M249, and scrounge ammo from riflemen? Not very often, like, at all.

[@RvEijndhoven]

There's a third: One of the biggest issues with earlier guns that used En-Bloc clips, like the Carcano, was that if you were firing it prone and trying to keep your body (and therefore your gun) as close to the ground as possible, you'd have the hole that the clip was supposed to fall out of covered by whatever you were resting your rifle on (likely the ground). Which meant the clip couldn't actually fall out and a new clip wouldn't go in and you had to lift up the rifle, shake and prod it to get the spent clip out (which might be difficult because if it didn't fall out clean, it could get snagged on the follower and wedged in there) and then load in the new clip. Just launching the clip out of the top of the rifle solves that potential complication quite handily.

[@jonathanstiles6072]

Three nickels. John Thompson. Also let's not forget that Garand was the kind of weird and whimsical guy who would flood his basement in winter to make an ice rink, of course he's going to make it ping.

[@shinyjoyouscook5598]

Definitely more than three, John Browning had at least three himself

[@dragonranger8456]

I don't want to believe that he would do that... but at the same time, I also do

[@jonathanstiles6072]

@shinyjoyouscook5598 Fair, I was thinking about the number of gunsmiths named John, not necessarily the total number of guns they invented. But JMB had *way* more than three. The 1919, the 1917, the M2, the BAR, the 1911, the Navy's PT boats had the M4 automatic cannon, on the other side you had the FN Hi-power... Then of course there was the Thompson submachine gun, which a) wasn't designed by JMB, but was still designed by a John, that being John Thompson, b) was arguably a real POS even in its heyday, and c) still used the .45ACP cartridge designed by JMB. Then of course you go back to WWI, Archduke Ferdinand was assassinated with a Browning 1910, there was the 1897 "trench broom"... Hell, in some parts of Europe in the early 20th century, the word "pistol" no matter its actual manufacturer was often used interchangeably with "le Browning". That is not an exhaustive list of his commercially successful guns. Not by far.

[@greganator111]

Making Ice rinks seems very on brand for a Canadian.

[@RamblingsByCorey]

Worked a pawn and gun store. The amount of copium and just fart sniffing customers had when trying to sell beat up surplus was amazing.

[@Pinetreemoto]

It’s a nightmare sometimes

[@AspenBrightsoul]

Zack "I like guns" Milkcrate.

[@Megalomaniac_Trans_Lesbian]

Holy shit, I only just realised how old the milk crate story is now

[@bonaconlodoset9264]

Hey Zack freee milk-crate...and a cmp garand for 800bucks

[@DeadSpaceWing]

More like Lootcrate am I right?

[@cjnf11]

Freeee milkcrate.

[@strateupgamr7]

​@@DeadSpaceWing and just like lootcrate, I'm gonna put you under for such a bad joke

[@bignath250688]

Zach grabbed Mike, dragged him to the Winchester and waits for all this to blow over

[@jonathanstiles6072]

Hey, Zach! If you're reading these, what make is your Garand? I know Winchester was making some, mine's a Springfield, I'd like to get my hands on an International Harvester, just because of the tractors I grew up with.

[@Matryoshkandroid]

something thats been fun to notice over the years is hearing mike remember the gun info hes learned from zach. watching a 6 yo video vs a recent one, zach doesnt need to explain nearly as many things as he used to, and mike now can add his own bits that he remembers too

[@blueberrimuffin6682]

It's always great when people remember infodump info.

[@kyriss12]

He still asks the occasional stupid question just rile Zach up though.

[@jidk6565]

love the Garand "This Machine Kills Fascists"

[@tachyon8317]

And commies!

[@jidk6565]

@tachyon8317 please don't kill me :< but it did do that in South Vietnamese and Korean service!... if you count them as commies lol

[@ScoutTrooperMan]

@@jidk6565 well vietcong and NVA were commies during 'nam

[@Dhips.]

I can't thank Zach enough for helping remove the Fudd-lore of the ping. Not only do you have several dozen 30-06 rifles going off around you. You have tanks and all kinds of crap being loud as all hell.

[@skeletonbuyingpealts7134]

Your buddy had his legs blown off

[@JohnnyShagbot]

A whole squad magdumping 30-06, tanks, planes, the general din of battle, and also the fact that you're anywhere from 50-300 meters away from your target at any given time. They ain't hearing shit.

[@joshuahadams]

@@JohnnyShagbotthat and your adrenaline’s got blood roaring in your ears from getting a mag dump - probably from like a half dozen guys - in your general direction.

[@LordMarsh95]

Along with that, it's not exactly a close-range gun, and people have a tendency for self-preservation and use cover. So unless if you're in a Naked Gun shootout 5 feet apart, I imagine they'll have time to reload before you have a chance to take advantage of it.

[@commandercody2980]

​@@skeletonbuyingpealts7134 huh?

[@kHolm]

Krag Jørgensen mentioned, the Norwegian heart jumps with glee. A big problem with the 30-40Krag, is apparently with the rim causing jams. If you get one in 6.5x55 however, ensure you only use lower powered loads, the single locking-lug is only suitable for "recruit loads" as we call them over here.

[@kainepeterson6638]

Rimlock is easy to account for if you just load your gun right.

[@kHolm]

@@kainepeterson6638 Have never operated the american variant myself, but as far as i had heard it was one of the drawbacks in combat-use, as there were no stripperclip or equivilant reloading mechanism at the time of US adoption. edit: Of course, for hunting and relaxed shooting the American surplus seems preferrable, but I am biased towards 6.5x55 :)

[@max84678]

@@kHolm I own an american 1896 variant and doesn't jam that much... I mainly get jams if i use a flat-nose, low grain variant of 30-40 krag so I dont use those anymore. Like the top reply said, Ive not really experienced rimlock that much cause i tend to load it a specific way

[@Voltmander]

(another Norwegian here...) Right, my gramps has two Krags where one of them has been converted to 22lr for some reason... Probably because people decided to convert them to lower powered calibers for club recruit shooting

[@princeavaritia]

I own a '99 carbine that has fine aftermarket irons So much fun to shoot And surprisingly accurate (well as accurate as I can shoot lol)

[@RandallFrequentFlyerFlagg]

Buying a Garand specifically in .308 because of Fallout: New Vegas isn’t a dumb reason at all. I’ve toured several locations in Southern Nevada, Arizona and Utah just because they were featured in New Vegas. I treated my last two trips to Las Vegas as New Vegas tours. Fallout: New Vegas (and the Fallout games overall) is a worthwhile game to do dumb stuff for.

[@HipsterKhan]

Reminds me of the antiques guy who DIDN'T know what he had. He told me he had found two decently maintained M1 Garands in an estate lot auction and was just trying to get rid of them as fast as he could because he wasn't an FFL. He sold them to some guy who had arrived just an hour earlier for two hundred dollars. Some days, I think of them and wonder.

[@zacharybaird9236]

My great uncle was a paratrooper during ww2 and he came home with so many souvenirs. Last i remember: 2 lugers, 1 stg 44, a ss helmet, and a bottle of wine from some field commander's home. The lugers are in excellent condition, the 44 has a bent barrel. I love the story of how he got them home. He said after the war was over, western union and the us postal service set up shop in several places in europe for a bit. He went to the western union station and shipped them home, no questions asked. Apparently this was a daily thing for both groups. According to him, soldiers were mailing so much stuff home, command finally had to put a stop to it. One of tge lugers is nickle plated, with a double set of swastikas on it.

[@skeletonbuyingpealts7134]

Officer's pistol

[@PsychopathicV2]

Dude that is bad ass. I would give my left nut and kidney for a working StG-44.

[@galil5565]

Do you know what happened to the guns

[@zacharybaird9236]

@@galil5565 still have them. Bought them a few years before he died

[@galil5565]

@@zacharybaird9236 that's amazing to hear

[@PlagueMaster815]

12:00 whoever makes these, this little touch of Zach actually taking out the rifle is perfect

[@Matryoshkandroid]

that would be mike, he does all the editing, subtitling, and michinima-esque things

[@PlagueMaster815]

@@Matryoshkandroid I guessed, but I wasn't completely sure

[@BPKPhoenix]

He truly is The Magician.

[@safreq453]

@@Matryoshkandroid I miss Machinima...

[@saintmachinima]

@@safreq453 Oh? Really?

[@justat1149]

Fun fact, International Harvester produced a good number of Garands during the war. Post war, to get rid of some surplus, if you bought an IH Pickup or Scout, you got an M1 free with purchase from many dealers

[@tachyon8317]

Just as the founding fathers intended! 🫡

[@jonathanstiles6072]

You sure that by "the war" you don't mean the Korean war? My understanding was that IH started production during the 50s, specifically because a) Uncle Sam sold off too much surplus after WWII and b) there was concern about Springfield and Winchester plants being about 60 miles apart, not a concern before the Russians got The Bomb in '49. But it's been some time since I read that I might be hazy.

[@bno6156]

America, can’t help but love it

[@Gebunator]

I heard that the reason why Garand launches the clip is due few reasons. One is that when firing prone, the shooter doesn't have raise their gun to let the empty clip slide out from the bottom. The other is to prevent the clips getting stuck be it due dirt or something and finally, give distinctive feedback to reload. Apparently combat can be so harsh that a shellshocked soldier may be just firing a gun dry and having a feedback like THE PING helped with that.

[@nickgraff9413]

When Ferdinand Mannlicher invented and patented the en bloc clip, his designs using them (along with all the foreign copycats) included a hole at the base of the receiver. Once all the cartridges in the clip were fired, gravity would take over and let the now empty clip fall out of the rifle. This, of course, was a design flaw when these weapons eventually went into combat as it let dirt and debris get into the action. The thing about these early en bloc clip rifles was that the en bloc clip acted as the feed lips of the magazine, and attempts to load individual cartridges would cause damage to the extractor. Introduce a little dirt, and the action gums up, or the clip isn't properly seated in the housing. To that end, it was common for en bloc loaded rifles and carbines to have the drop hole covered over with a piece of sheet metal, and for the clip to be ejected upwards. I've seen this fix on old Mannlichers, the Steyr M95, and early Gewehr 88s.

[@NitroDragon]

Fun story! Up here in Canada my boss had his M+M M10x (the only non-Norinco AKish style rifle that is still legal up here) delivered by Canada Post. You would assume a signature would be required and that is the case. And yet, the rifle was delivered to his neighbour, just dropped off at the door. With the dealers custom shipping box clearly showing it was a gun. And was sat there for an entire day before the neighbour noticed it and brought it over to my boss.

[@AnOrdinaryLobster]

The Lobster is pleased by the humourous content before me.

[@seerscratch2048]

*eyes suspiciously, rolls nat 1* Huh, cute lobster I guess, anyway...

[@orionpax2115]

Hmm something about this……is off

[@Safexscape]

I’ll get the butter

[@Gb_cole]

14:18 you look dirty, I'm going to run you a nice hot bath

[@certifiedmug3087]

​@@seerscratch2048chuckles the war criminal

[@jte7438]

5:12 Holy shit, an "Ø" from my native language, and it's used correctly! I just about never see that happen when used by English speakers! Nice attention to detail, Mike!

[@kHolm]

Norge represent

[@JuanofthePorch]

Babe wake up. New Campfire story has dropped

[@justanobadi6655]

I'd call it a pub chat.

[@thefish53_68]

22:45 From what I could find, Garand started working on what would become the M1 all the way back in 1919. The first version had a detachable magazine, and at least to 1924 were primer actuated (as in using the primer to power the mechanism). This may go some way in explaining the M1s strange design.

[@supercuttlefish6199]

18:00 wait til Zach finds out about the transitional gewehr 88 from ww1. They took a regular mannlicher clip gun, slapped a floor plate on the bottom and attached a spring to it. You hit the clip release button in front of the trigger and the clip shoots out the top WITH the same PING noise. You can do it on a normal gewehr 88 but it’s a feature intended more for ejecting a loaded clip using the magazine spring. After typing this I think there’s a good chance he already knows all this.

[@bignath250688]

That M1 Garand ping is literally music to my ears. I love it

[@ReinaSaurus]

fedex current delivery status: in combat zachs m1 garand. probably so embedded in his soul that a quick prayer might just manifest it out of thin air.

[@tachyon8317]

Zach, waking to a noise from downstairs - "aachio, garand!'

[@soupcangaming662]

"Delivery cancelled because bullets."

[@judgemental9253]

After looking at an X-ray view of a grand, that operating rod/ejection system is genius. The ‘follower’ pushing up on the last round, after having that round stripped into the chamber, rises to the point where the dog leg of the op rod can contact the ‘trigger’ of the clip ejector. Because they have the hinge at the bottom, if there’s a single round in the clip, the operating rod physically can’t go far enough back to trigger the ejector. That must also be how the manual ejection works, just an external protrusion of the clip ejector trigger bar.

[@judgemental9253]

It’s very weird, it’s almost like an upside internal toggle lock, but for the feeding system, not for the bolt

[@odinlindeberg4624]

Based Krag enjoyer spotted One fun thing about the Krag-Jørgensen is that while most bolt-action rifles have an internal magazine that sits beneath the chamber and is fed from the top, forcing you to lock the bolt back in order to feed the magazine, the krag has a horizontal internal magazine with a bolt operated elevator on the inner side. You open a trap door on the side and feed the magazine whenever you feel like without having to lock the bolt back, which means that with careful consideration of how much lead you're slinging downrange, you can fire continuously without having to stop to reload.

[@TheRealAaronSmith]

One of my half assed ways to explain a clip vs a mag is that clips are usually meant to load a magazine, and a magazine is meant to load a gun. Not always the case, but especially with more modern firearms, that's a functional enough distinction to teach a green shooter

[@kirknay]

My personal distinction is that clips are shipping packaging, mags come empty.

[@TheRealAaronSmith]

@@kirknay hey, that works

[@diamondtron01]

"I like guns that are slightly weird." Pancor Jackhammer 🤣 I've also wanted an M1 for the longest.

[@Garrrization]

He said slightly didn't he

[@jidk6565]

the pancor is not just a little weird to be fair

[@hrodga]

Any weapon that you have to disassemble to reload.. with _tools,_ mind you.. no thanks.

[@Slender_Man_186]

The Pancor isn't just "weird," it's an overhyped failed prototype.

[@nikoladedic6623]

CMP time then.

[@jidk6565]

the m1 garand ejecting the Clip is so there isn't a hole in the bottom... that let's in mud, and dust, and sand this thing fought in thick snow trenches in SPRING, Deserts, and the entire pacific theater imagine if you had a hole in the bottom of your semi auto weapon... it'd become either inert or a bolt action VERY VERY QUICKLY

[@mfree80286]

There's also a few things in the way under there that the Carcano, Steyr, and others didn't have to deal with.

[@joshuahadams]

The other clip-fed service rifles of the time used charger/stripper clips. Pop the clip into a guide at the back of the mag well, slide the cartridges down, and then flick off the clip. Kar-98s, SMLEs, M1903s, M1891/30s, & Type 38s all used that system rather than M-blocs because they’re easy to use stuffing single stacks of cartridges into an internal magazine.

[@noneed4sleep64]

Holes in the bottom are excellent at removing that sort of thing, that’s why the Owen gun was so good…

[@jidk6565]

@mfree80286 I did note that about it being a Semi auto becoming a bolt action! there where attachments tho for things like the Gewehr 1888 and the M95 mannlicher that acted as a spring for ejecting the clips similar to how the Garand works! at least in function lol

[@jidk6565]

@@joshuahadams I've owned Krags, M1903's, M17 Enfields, and Mannlicher M95's and even a Russian Lever gun I have experience with guns of the time! just not the Garand lol

[@creativespark61]

"Why not give them a gun with their food?" The new McDonalds Happy Meal toy!

[@clutchedbyanangel]

My favorite bit is when Mike makes a sarcastic quip about his own gun knowledge and Zach just ignores it, it doesn't register because it just sounds normal to him.

[@evanwcahill4439]

I like how zach has a list of the reasons of why he got 308 but the ultimate was "huh huh just like the videogame." and i respect that.

[@raptorcell6633]

There used to be a time in the US where you would order a Thompson SMG in a catalogue and it would be mailed to you. God bless America Zach likes guns? This is news to us all.

[@chesterfield1138]

11:26 It's okay Zach. My first two guns were a Walther P99 and Walther PPK, simply because they were the James Bond guns.

[@CertMediocre]

Pub Stories

[@Rockso78]

So happy we get more camp fire stories

[@StevenLandesVO]

Clips load bullets into magazines. When the M1 clip is used, it's putting the bullets into the rifle's internal magazine.

[@lance5445]

On a battleship the room that holds the ammunition is called "the magazine" the magazine is where the bullets live before they get used. A clip of ammo is basically just a wheelbarrow that puts things into the magazine

[@cooperwilliams9140]

I also got one in the mail. Good ol' CMP. I got mine back when they were $650 from Korea

[@camber_courtney5250]

You guys have brightened my stay in the ICU, thank you Mike and Zzch

[@Legitpenguins99]

I'm almost certain from watching C&Arsenal that it ejects from the top to prevent mud and stuff from getting into the gun. That was a very common problem with enbloc rifles during WW1

[@petsan97]

God, seeing Zach sit there in a Brodie helmet and Mike with a bowler just further solidifies the sort of Sherlock and Watson dynamic of "on the spectrum firearms nerd" and "knowledgeable but comparable lay-person" they got going on. I love it.

[@Rigel_6]

I absolutely have the same stance on sporterized vs full length handguard. And the reason is... AESTHETICS. It just looks nice.

[@Zach_Hazard]

It looks really nice

[@nikoladedic6623]

Ahem. *This should be teatime stories or pub stories.*

[@skeletonbuyingpealts7134]

Zach should get a Winchester 1895 with the full handguard

[@austinclements8010]

20:55 to be fair, when i shot a Garand it kicked like a mule and hit the target like a sledgehammer, so i like it xD theres something about the tactile feel of a wooden stock that speaks to my soul, its America's Rifle. kinda like how the 1911 is Americas pistol

[@firefox5926]

19:55 and thats assumeing the sound of artillery and grenades havent blown your ears out already lol

[@max84678]

I own a Krag and I will say it is a very interesting gun, it is a very smooth action and has a very fun loading system. One thing I will say about it is that (at least with my gun) you need to aim a lot lower than where the sights actually are. Aparently the doctrine back then was something called "6-o-clock down" or something like that where you need to aim the gun lower than you want it to be.

[@gagebrockman158]

I got my .308 Garand like 3 years ago and it is still my favorite rifle to shoot. One thing I don’t think Zach mentioned in the video which is my reason for getting one, you can not shoot “off the shelf” .30-06 out of a Garand without modifying it with a gas plug because the .30-06 cartridge has been hot-rodded for hunting purposes and if you shoot it repeatedly through the Garand, it will bend the operating rod and the rifle will slowly tear itself apart. If you buy ammo, it has to be surplus M2 Ball, or marked specifically “Made for M1 Garand” because it operates at lower pressures. .308/7.62 on the other hand, is fairly moderate and is easier on the action. Glad Zach got a Garand! Watch your thumb! 👍🏻

[@garrettgoss2691]

12:00 I need Zach to carve the whole phrase from This Machine onto his stock "Well This Machine Kills Commies"

[@CorundumDevil]

Zach, I will be spoiling you thru Throne on occasion. Keep that item list up to date, both small and large ticket items. Mike, I love you too, but I'm pretty sure Zach is my spirit animal. I must make offerings to him. To the trash panda.

[@analien4813]

"I like guns." - Hach Zazard

[@christianmarshall6250]

Firearms with your school lunch "I'll take the pizza, chocolate milk, a salad with ranch, and a 1911 please."😁

[@majorziggy9800]

I think the reason behind making the en-bloc clip flying out of the top of the gun is to prevent having a "hole" under the gun that could gather dirt in the bolt assembly.

[@yamikami13]

Gun jesus told me that John Garand specifically designed the ping so that soldiers know exactly when their gun needs reloading in a heat of battle.

[@Caged_Viking]

So fun fact: the Krag Jørgensen was not made by Springfield Armory, and was basically the first service rifle to do it. This is because the rifle that Springfield brought to the 1892 Rifle Trials exploded since it was a Springfield Trapdoor chambered in a smokeless cartridge. The US took the Krag (which is one of the most controversial adoptions in US History) and Springfield sued the US Military for it. In the end, Springfield got to slap their name on it, but they were still not happy.

[@abriannaaguilera2123]

Use an airborne M1 Carbine for home defense! Foldable stock baby!

[@centurion7993]

18:13 the wild part is by late ww1, all of them had attachments that made the clips fly out the top, cause the hole kept eating too much mud and jamming the guns up, so the M1 essentially just skipped the adding an extra attachment step since it was made post ww1 unlike the other ones which didn’t consider all the SOIL everywhere

[@sniperboom1202]

Yup, my dad got one with his dad in the 80's doing the same thing. Cost them like couple hundred bucks. Now they go for THOUSAAAANNNDS

[@dawsondemro4858]

My grandpa bought an M1 sometime back in the 80s or 90s. Paid about $300 for it. He kept good record of what he paid for guns, and I nearly wept when I saw the price of what guns used to be. $89 for an SKS was heartbreaking

[@stasiek_mlg349]

12:40 a used gun a used gun that's a good one

[@TB-xl9eg]

The 30-40 Krag. Got one coming to me when a certain someone passes. Can't wait to inherit it. Love the novelty of it.

[@scubajho]

If you get a Krag, go ahead and plan reloading for it. The factory ammo's hard to find as it is and runs $3.50-4.00 a round. They do have one of the smoothest bolts though, and the loading/feeding mechanism is fun.

[@senperj.williams1664]

Zach reminds me of me if i was actually qualified and knowledgable on my interests, either way love hearing his gun rants and stories.

[@Grenadier-]

It's awesome that the CMP sends you M1s through the mail. I just wish they updated you on when they shipped the damn thing because the only reason I knew I was getting mine was a text from FedEx literally the day before. Literally just a text saying 'we got your order' 5 months before hand. Also .308 has a nice side benefit of not beating up the op rod like a lot of modern loadings of .30-06 can do to the M1

[@loganbrown3334]

My Grandfather served in the US Army from 1953 to 1958, and was issued the M1 Garand, when my dad was a kid, growing up in the mid '60s to early '70s, his dad marched in full uniform in the local Memorial Day parade. After my grandpa passed, we got all sorts of interesting cartridges and other things, including a live .50 BMG cartridge taken from an M2, and a bunch of En Bloc clips loaded with blanks. Unfortunately, he chose not to keep his issued weapons, and I inherited his uniforms, which I'm working to piece back together firearms and all.

[@conner9907]

Seeing how Zach talks about the M1 Garand got me really curious what'd he think of the M1908 Mondragon, Produced by SIG and being the first rifle to be fully adopted by a military, even though it couldn't get fully adopted due to the Mexican revolution happening and the Mexican government being unable to pay them. They were used a bit by the German air force in WW1 and by German civilians in late WW2.

[@nathanfiala3719]

My first thought was the time Mike said "that mime has a gun" but instead of those words, Zach showed up to Mike's house and in the same tone "Mike I have a gun"

[@truckerwolf8369]

Modern 30-06 is also hotter than what the M1 Garand was using back in the day

[@michaelsheal7025]

Since 1968 there is three ways to have a firearm ship directly to you in the US 1) any Flint lock or Percussion cap gun regardless of year manufacture do to not being classified as firearms by the federal government 2) any firearm date of manufacture being 50+ years from current year if you have a Curio&relic (C&R) License and 3) the rifles and carbine from CMP

[@spoildmilk5249]

My dad's dream gun, always a staple of firearm history

[@Acetilcystein]

20:24 i mean, there is a very obvious thing flying in your line of sight, that signalizes "man, you really have to reload", maybie that's why

[@austink4623]

Well that and vs the other rifles like it at the time that had a big ol' opening at the bottom for more mid to get into

[@MandoWookie]

The Garand makes a lot of sense when you realize it was designed for the trenches of WW1, and look at the late war mods everyone was doing. And the Garand itself is pretty much an updated & refined RSC 1917. The Germans modified the Gewehr 88s still in service that used the en bloc clips to cover the hole in the bottom & eject put the top like a Garand. The French Berthier carbines & rifles were modified to have trapdoors in the bottom to keep mud out.

[@axelord4ever]

I knew pretty much everything Zach was talking about here, CMP _et al._ Because years ago I decided I wanted a M1 of my own, and I wanted to know everything else I didn't know about this gun that I didn't already, so I started looking for info online. Unfortunately, I do not live in the US. Fortunately, I do live in a country I can still get a gun sent to me in the mail. In the end, I built up my gun off a Danish/Beretta receiver, and slapped on a .308 barrel. Had to buy all the related whatwhats to put the barrel in, index it, ream+lap the chamber to spec, and the gauges to verify I hadn't fucked up. All this while I was living, at the time, in Garand's hometown, for extra 'lore' points, if that means anything. I don't shoot it much, but it is pretty much the one gun out of my collection I would run through fire to save. There are many like it, but this one is mine.

[@freelancerdetroit102]

I am fascinated about Zachs gun knowledge and his general fascination for Gun History. I wish I could pursue guns as much as you two could, though to compensate, I recently started Collecting Yugoslavian Military Paraphernalia and Surplus items. So far, I managed to gather from a Flea Market a Gas Mask with Filters, a Yugoslavian Civil Defense Force Bag, a Mess kit though sadly the Spoon was missing, a Field Flask, Two Decontamination Kits, in one them only the Paper Towels are missing, a Helmet, and now to the Crown Jewels, the Instruction Manual on how to Use the entire Gas Mask and the ABC Protection Kit and last but not least, two Inspection Booklets, where it would be written who would have gotten the whole Civil Defense KIt Issued to. I am so happy about those finds, as I can Imagine Yugoslavian Surplus is probably rare to find outside of the Balkans.

[@nikoladedic6623]

Oh, damn. Shame I hadn't seen this months ago. Could have maybe tried to help.

[@freelancerdetroit102]

@@nikoladedic6623 Don't worry about it mate. It is okay.

[@nikoladedic6623]

@@freelancerdetroit102 I mean, if you couldn't guess from my name, I am from there.

[@freelancerdetroit102]

@@nikoladedic6623 Truth be told, I rarely read the names closely, hahha. But hey, it is good to meet a fellow Kinsman.

[@spacehobo1095]

On the noisy M1 clip meme; most people don't think about the fact that on top of combat being loud, you're also (hopefully) being covered by a half dozen other riflemen with M1s, A BAR gunner, and maybe even an M1919 or M2 Browning keeping the krouts heads down. Until the adoption of the AK in the 50s the US had such a distinct firepower advantage over any other army, pointing a loudspeaker at them and announcing that your reloading wouldn't motivate them to move if 12 of your buddies are hosing their position down with 30-06.

[@william3307]

You can always go visit the CMP in Anniston, Alabama to help speed things along, if you lived close by that is.

[@nepnepnepnepnepnep]

"If you are a gun loving American, you are morally obligated to love the M1 Garand" I've never heard truer words be spoken

[@LDSG_A_Team]

Hey Zach, you should get a Steyr Scout as your bolt-action ;)

[@Zach_Hazard]

DON’T TEMPT ME

[@LDSG_A_Team]

@@Zach_Hazard you know you want one

[@neonizermk2]

I laughed loudly at 5 am reading his response

[@mfree80286]

Zach could have really blown Mike's mind by describing how the Krag's magazine works without a clip, or anything else for that matter. Open hatch, dump cartridges (with a little care, rimlock is a thing), close hatch.

[@chasebess3281]

Need a Mike and Zach shooting range vlog

[@Gb_cole]

Zack doing an extended bit on how badly the US ordinance department fucked over so many great gun designs that lead to so many unnecessary deaths would be magnificent

[@greyklopstock7155]

3:56 as a musician, we generally call those "player grade." Which I agree, those are the ones you want. You'll be paying crazy premium for a like new one, and a trashed one is gonna cost more than it's worth to fix. You want the ones that have some wear and tear from life as a good tool, a few nicks and dings, but also maintained well enough that you're not getting something on life support. I'd imagine a wood furniture gun like a Garand with a worn down finish on places like the cheekweld and the grips, combined with hardware that's been maintained properly, would be desirable in the same way that a guitar with a worn down lacquer finish on the back of the neck is. I mean, I know I'd rather have, say, a well built 335 from the 70s that's had a good refret or well repaired headstock than a museum quality one from the 50s. I'd be too scared to play the pristine one. The best condition for tools like guitars and guns of the vintage variety I'd venture to say is around a clean 7/10, up to a really dirty 8.5. If it's too clean there's probably something wrong with it that prevented the owner from shooting it a bunch or playing it often, but if it's got cosmetic blemishes with functioning and able to be maintained working parts, that's the one you wanna get

[@JDUBB2399]

I prefer a brand new guitar over an older one. The best guitar I've ever played was one that I pre ordered before it was released to the market. I still play it daily, and it's perfect. I've also let other people try it out, and they're blown away by how well it plays.

[@teztiklesinyomouth9534]

I have to say though It's great to see a content creator who actually understands firearms. Honestly, you don't just think "pew pew bad cuz scary" and it's fucking entertaining man

[@Swangbang]

I mean there’s tons of KZbinrs who makes content about the military/guns it’s mostly the la and Europe crowd that’s terrified of guns

[@weaponsgradepotato]

Surprised Zach didn’t mention the CMP’s m1a1 carbine debacle. Love my CMP garand. I felt that as a red blooded American I just needed to have one and it was totally worth.

[@TheGLORY13]

I got my M1 from a gun show was sold by the CMP it was around 2009 it's a H&R from Korea (very beginning). I paid 900$ for it.

[@SGTShorty65]

I usually determined “Clips,” versus “Magazines,” is that; - A Clip feeds into the gun, but the gun runs the rounds through itself. - A Magazine will move and hold rounds for the gun to run.

[@Rolzhey]

I love when Mike says stuff right after Zach does and pretends to know all about the stuff too, my fav bit

[@camhedmr_5593]

Okay, but Imagine Mike with a M1 Carbine as his home defenses weapon

[@hankyswanky]

I would definitely recommend the Japanese arisaka type 99 as a bolt action, these rifles have some of the smoothest actions I’ve ever used

[@user-rh7jz9ww2g]

I know this is a couple months old but, this one is for Zach and maybe a new rabbit hole, the Krag-Jørgensen he likely saw was the model 1892 made for Springfield Armory chambered in 30-40 Krag. The 1894 Krag-Jørgenson was chambered in 6.5x55mm Swedish. So it's kind of a rechambered '92 but still it's own gun. Even though the cartridge was developed years ago, the ballistic performance isn't far off from 6.5 Creedmoor and it's just fun to shoot a gun that's just over 100 years old and (seemingly) still zeroed in perfectly.

[@Kez_DXX]

The CMP is one of the few ways you can still get a Garand for anything resembling a reasonable price.

[@BattleManiac7]

One of my grandfather's regrets were selling off a Garand and its matching bayonet that somehow came into the family's possession during WW2. It was from the liberation of the Philippines (which is where I was born), though if I remember correctly it was for a good cause. It helped put his kids througy school, which I'm thankful for. My parents met b/c of them both being engineers, so in a way that rifle helped me be born lol.

[@nguyentrunghieu8806]

15:28 and I thought I am the only weirdo in the world who has the same odd fixation on full-length military bolt-action handguard and to me those rifles are just more aesthetically pleasing that way. Thank you Zach for the (unintended) validation!

[@stormhawk2595]

My dad bought his garand through the the CMP as well, and he got one that actually saw combat in France in WWII. He also got his 1903 and 1911 through them as well, of which the 1911 is all matching and also saw combat. The research he does on each of his rifles is insane, he could name where it’s been, which battles it’s seen, and maybe even who used it, though I’m not sure about that last one

[@joe2marrow]

I had a licensed guy through my post office who did nothing but mail M1 Garands. One day after years of working with him I asked him, "How do you have an endless supply of m1 Garands?" He laughed and then told me. Post WW2 the military upgraded their firearms and lended them out to countries all over the world. To this day there is still an inflowing supply of M1 Garands coming back from being lent out almost 100 years ago hence why this guy has an unending supply. He buys 'em in bulk .

[@taqnology]

Krab-Jorgensen sounds like a rifle straight the Spongebob Squarepants WWI special. We finally know what Eugene was up to during the war.