M1 Pro Gaming Is Better Than You Think

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Timestamps
0:00 - Why Apple Gaming Is Bad
0:47 - How We Game on Mac
1:20 - Sponsor
4:23 - Native Game Support on Mac
5:30 - How To Play Unsupported Games
6:00 - Why You Can't Measure Mac Framerate
6:27 - Trying Native Steam Games
6:37 - Hades
6:48 - How I Screwed Up
7:10 - Hades Pt. 2
7:30 - Shadow of the Tomb Raider - Mac
7:58 - Why This Is Impressive
8:46 - Trying Native Epic Games Games
8:50 - Borderlands 3
9:01 - Metro Exodus
9:35 - Fortnite
10:00 - How To Setup CrossOver
10:38 - Back 4 Blood
11:07 - DOOM Eternal
11:13 - Final Fantasy XV Windows Edition
11:30 - Portal
13:10 - What Games Still Don't Work
13:20 - Shadow of the Tomb Raider - Windows
13:33 - The Witcher 3
16:12 - Conclusion
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Presenter: Brett Sticklemonster
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[@sebastiandalton3981]

I wasn't expecting this video! I thank you for giving a different perspective of performance on these new MacBooks.

[@CameronVanNatta]

What I'm curious about is if the frame stutters are from shader compilation or not. The reason is, compiled shaders are cached. If that's true that means the longer you play the game - the smoother the gameplay gets as all the shaders get compiled. If this is true, Crossover or others could share precompiled caches and remove the vast majority of stutter. This becomes even more feasible because there's very few gpu configurations so you don't have to keep as many caches. Of course, it might not be shader compilation stutter...

[@JakeFishmanTech]

I tossed up Witcher 3 using Wine on my new M1 Max, and initially I was getting stuttering, but the longer I played the less stuttering I had. So it does sound like it is shader compilation stutter.

[@jonmarinos7170]

Idk it’s worse than I expected, honestly 😅

[@Milos596]

I miss intel to be honest 😂 they should still make some intel products. Like iMac 27 inch.

[@haydn847]

Witcher 3 can get high. In my experience it is specifically Nvidia Hairworks that is causing the crash. Turn that off and high works for me on the M1 Pro. Hope this helps someone.

[@m4jorm4jor14]

Hey! I would absolutely love if you could benchmark the new M1 Pro on Parallels as that is how I am planning to game on my mac.

[@GloriousEggroll]

WINE - Wine Is Not an Emulator. Also -- Wine is the free and open source backend used for crossover Also -- Wine is what Valve's Steam Play/Proton uses Also -- Valve contracted CodeWeavers -- the creators of CrossOver, for Proton work several years ago through now. So -- when you contribute to WINE code -- you help both gaming on linux AND mac. So --- all you Mac gamers -- thank Valve and your linux brethren. -- Brought to you by one of those basement dwelling neck bearded linux nerds.

[@BrianJones-wk8cx]

Thank you, GloriousEggroll, for all your hard work on this front! This is an exciting time for alternatives to Windows, recently switched my gaming rig over to Linux and not looking back. Been dabbling with Wineskin Winery (on Mac OS) for years now, have always loved and appreciated the scene and the community that makes all of this possible. Keep up the amazing work and thank you for taking a moment to educate-so much can go unnoticed in terms of the all the folks involved to make this magic happen, but I promise that everyone appreciates the amazing progress! You’re a legend and I appreciate you taking a moment to set the record straight. For those Mac users a little more technically inclined, I’d recommend checking out Wineskin Winery and the corresponding porting scene around it and other Wine-related efforts on the Mac. While I don’t personally own any Apple Silicon for myself, I believe the latest unofficial builds of Winery support the M1. With a little tinkering, I can get games like Witcher 3 running fantastically on my older Mac hardware. I wouldn’t be surprised if, with a little time and attention to settings, a tinkerer could better realize the accomplishments of the community here.

[@WhatThePheel]

@@BrianJones-wk8cx Why not just use bootcamp?

[@AndreAngelantoni]

@@WhatThePheel No longer an option with the M1 chips.

[@yanksmc7]

@Garrus Vakarian It has worked great for me on M1 Max

[@robthehood]

I know this is an old video... Here's the big difference between current mac and PC for me. Right now I have a m2pro mac mini and a $3000 PC with Nvidia 4080 and Intel i9 chip. I use the same dual 2k 144hz monitors for both systems. Using World of Warcraft as my comparison, i get about 40-80 fps on my mac mini. I get 80-144 fps on my pc. Both at ultra and high settings. The big difference is the heat the PC puts out. I have to turn on my portable AC to keep the room comfortable as after an hour or so, the room gets hot with the PC. My mac does not make a noticeable change in temperature in the room.

[@sherry4353]

Hey, I've got a problem. I need programs like photoshop/indesign/premiere pro so I have to buy apple. But I also want to play games and I don't have the money to buy two pc's xD Is the M1 Macbook Pro the solution? I have high expactations on design and that these programs went well - but for gaming I only want to play Valorant or other f2play titles. I know to play games with low quality so I dont have much expactations. Is there any solution to work and play games on mac?

[@carldavis5839]

Whats going on with that screen cap quality?

[@XxViciousxX]

Better than I thought once you explained the n64 graphics were due to capture card settings issues. But gaming is not really this laptop's main focus in the first place so still did pretty decent considering that fact.

[@AdmiralBison]

‘Gaming is not this laptops main focus” This is an excuse by Apple and too many Mac fans are towing that line. for such “high end” laptops these MBPs severely lack in a massive aspect to the total computer experience - “play” Apple is a multi trillion dollar corporation with god knows how many $billions, yet the Mac platform has languished when it comes to AAA games for decades. There is no excuse for Apple to be abysmal in this area of general purpose and high end computing anymore. Don’t feel bad or excuse them, demand better otherwise they will not bother to address this issue.

[@XxViciousxX]

@@AdmiralBison Well it is sad that my $1600 laptop destroys it in gaming where for the price the MacBook should beat my laptop in every single way considering how much more it costs.

[@milkyy4168]

@@AdmiralBison Developers don’t port to mac because everybody who buys macs are people who browse facebook all day. If anything, the same could be said for high end chrome books, crypto mining computers (lol), or servers. Sure, they can design chrome books to be gaming machines. But nobody who buys a chrome book will game on it. Does that mean they should spend resources on something .01% of their user base wants?

[@Maximus20778]

​@@AdmiralBison idk ARM is pretty new so that's why more games are supported on the intel MacBooks

[@alisinimoho836]

@@XxViciousxX This isn't actually true, it can handle a lot with much less impact on battery life and performance which is a deal breaker when it comes to choosing windows. Don't get me wrong I love windows but yeah big deal breaker if it can do a lot and battery life and longevity just suck

[@ottoernst6707]

Still a Mac but it’s very impressive especially with the battery and mini led

[@nsbarba108]

can you play path of titans on the M1 Chip MacBook Pro 2020?

[@ahmedjamal4127]

Please do the parallel desktop test as well 🙏

[@mariowario5945]

How does doom eternal run?

[@user-mw4jb7yl3l]

10:36 WINE is not an emulator, not arguing just detailing on the self recursive acronym.

[@caliptus85]

yes, you should have re-recorded gameplay footage. Still thanks for the video

[@RunForPeace-hk1cu]

@@OutOfNameIdeas2 Weak hardware LOL .... unoptimized HW yes. Weak hardare NO. Enjoy getting your lap burned and the jet engine fan noise. And don't you dare unplug that power cable.

[@Ben.N]

@@RunForPeace-hk1cu who games on their lap? Plugged in is ok.

[@TXPer]

you should try minecraft witch shaders, that need powerful gpu to run smoothly, and minecraft runs on java, you need only install java jdk for m1

[@magnuscarslen8630]

does anyone know if the macbook pro can run valorant

[@Wunnabeanbag]

im interested in parralells on cheapest 16gig m2 macbok air

[@ChesterBearChannel]

Witcher 3 crashed on high settings because Nvidia hairworks was on. Just turn off the hairworks options and set everything else to high/ultra and the game should work.

[@butterysmooth5808]

What about d2r???

[@AlvinChao]

Would be interesting to see you run GeForceNow and see how this might work on the new Macbook Pro.

[@VectorGaming4080]

Since GeForce Now just needs a screen and a decent internet connection, it would run fine on a potato.

[@chvisuals5303]

GeForce now would run on a fridge monitor

[@davidveneroso9886]

@@VectorGaming4080 I attempted this according to your advice and indeed it was compatible with my potato.

[@davidlee3203]

The witches part was hilarious good job brett

[@ZaimAfham]

Does raft support

[@playerone2772]

You predicted the Game Porting Toolkit. Well done.

[@PRiMETECHAU]

8:35 Hold up right there, Steam Deck is not ARM64, its x86 still (or AMD64). It won't help Mac unless Linux developers make significant advancements in firmware and driver support for ARM64 which might trickle into stuff like Proton or Wine... Apple MacOS is just too closed walled garden for it to thrive with gaming unfortunately.

[@PRiMETECHAU]

@Cold As The Poles I presume your being sarcastic, otherwise you're hilariously wrong.

[@PRiMETECHAU]

@@genesishep Ah yeah, but Apple has been making it harder for such things. They ditched OpenGL and Vulkan and are using a dodgy Metal API for starters... (I've heard that games using Metal API just don't perform as good as vulkan counterparts)

[@johnforde7735]

@@PRiMETECHAU "I've heard that games using Metal API just don't perform as good as vulkan counterparts" You heard wrong. Metal is performant. OpenGL is dead. Nobody is going to be using that for future development. "Ah yeah, but Apple has been making it harder for such things." Apple having Metal is akin to Microsoft supporting DirectX. Mac does support Vulcan through MoltenVK.

[@PRiMETECHAU]

@@johnforde7735 OGL gets plenty of use on Android still! you know, biggest market ever!

[@johnforde7735]

@@PRiMETECHAU Yeah, Android was also a bit behind on technologies.

[@nathanyoung3483]

At 12:38 in the video. The idea of playing portal without knowing about glados hurts

[@javiej]

Running a game locally for getting a worst experience than same game using online gaming services makes no sense to me, I think it shouldnt be in your book. I mean, the whole point of gaming on local hardware is because (when properly implemented) it is a much better experience than using cloud gaming services. Otherwise it is not a thing.

[@mikkpokk]

Can you provide FPS information without running screen recorder also? I believe screen recorder uses a lot of GPU & CPU as well. I believe streamers never consider playing on Mac.

[@glassesofnapalm]

If you run the pirated version (buy your games first), it sometimes actually works.

[@G80allen]

Is boot camp not a thing anymore?

[@michaelthompson7790]

Were you that villain guy in iron man 3 👀🤔?

[@d00mch1ld]

6:49 - Hi editing Brett.

[@kylenorris9585]

Does proton work in Mac os ?

[@CameronVanNatta]

Proton does not work on Mac, so you have to run all of Steam through Wine/Crossover.

[@bedrock5067]

Witcher 3 runs fine at high but hairworks are the reason it crashes turn off hairworks.

[@martinlingad7840]

Damn!! imagine there is same ARM for switch. Maybe we can get the switch pro everyone waiting for.

[@felrobertcasipe]

It's not your typical college laptop anymore like the Intel MacBook Pro's that can do everything, too bad Apple miss the boat they should had x86 support in the M1 then it can really compete with the BIG boys.

[@voltspc9394]

the new MacBook use and adaptive frame rate so lord knows if any of the numbers are correct, this is a huge reason why most programs fell out of development

[@zionlee4594]

dude you look like that guy from suits who works at the sec and adam neely

[@SerjStar]

Imagine Nintendo switch head the M1 chip . I seriously hope that Nintendo gets up it of there asses and makes a proper sequel Switch with proper performance and 1080p screen

[@deusprogrammer_thekingofspace]

Why would they? There’s nothing wrong with the Switch. They are making money hand over fist. The hardware doesn’t make a game good, the game makes the game good.

[@Maximus20778]

​@@deusprogrammer_thekingofspace ah yes charging $70 for a ps3 like games

[@evacody1249]

You are getting 40 to 45 on Shadow of the Tomb Raider on 1920 x1200. I can get more then that on my PC at 2560 x 1440 which would be 112fps. If I drop it down to 1920 x 1200 I would get more then that. So no that's not good.

[@gijoeljamesmaldonado]

i wish manscape was sulfate free

[@widejeff8993]

My friend and I were able to play valorant on his m1 MacBook. He was somehow able to install windows 11 on it

[@SireDragonChester]

I wish we get a portal 3 for next gen PCs and consoles. Portal 2 with RT would be epic. :) But yes love see more games on Mac and help push for more Linux games/proton (vulkan api

[@makke_macro]

will it run cyberpunk? >:DDDDD

[@12382685]

the reason Witcher 3 crashes on high is because it turns on nvidia hairworks. just turn it off and u good

[@SerjStar]

No I want all this new tech be able to buy it for reasonable prices

[@T-Rich1228]

I totally understand the costs associated with being able to do a video like this but man o man that sponsor intro was long.. like LONGggggg. Other than that good video for sure

[@mix3k818]

These M processors are doing surprisingly decent for a new architecture

[@Wusyaname_]

They are amazing actually. Gaming wise, it’s being limited by software mainly, but battery life, thermals, and other resource intensive tasks typically perform better with m1 variant chips than any other computers except for some desktops.

[@CameronVanNatta]

Woohoo, I get to be the first in the comments to say "Wine" stands for "Wine IS Not an Emulator" ;-).

[@tomdchi12]

Dean Pelton "This better not awaken anything in me..." Brett shaves his eyebrows and here we are with him gaming on a Mac... Come over to the dark side before you regain full brow protection for your brain!

[@shauryatrehan4709]

Good buzz cut

[@spacefacts2553]

Parallels!

[@cursedowlsgaming5355]

Also people forget games that don’t want to run can use GeForce now on Mac as well. And it’s vastly improved over when geforces now launched

[@DavyDave1313]

Ok nerd

[@cursedowlsgaming5355]

@@DavyDave1313 ok? and your point is what?

[@DavyDave1313]

@@cursedowlsgaming5355 that you’re a big nerd lmao

[@cursedowlsgaming5355]

@@DavyDave1313 is that supposed to be a insult? I’m aware I am a nerd. Pretty much anyone watching that video is a nerd

[@Ben.N]

No

[@tipoomaster]

Please Tim Apple just splash that cash around to attract first class native game ports to Apple Silicon. If that handheld Switch competitor rumor is true, maybe that'll be what attracts more games to the Apple Silicon platform.

[@mikeylejan8849]

If Apple finds a way for Macbooks to become true gaming machines, they would sell like hotcakes. Is DOTA 2 playable?

[@imicca]

Macs: Aren't designed for gaming Entire tech community after MacBook release: BRO LETS GAME ON MACBOOK! Look at specs! Here is how YOU can game on Macbook :D

[@reggiestreams]

How are you playing Fortnite though ?

[@itsdeonlol]

I might consider buying a MAC now!

[@RunForPeace-hk1cu]

@@OutOfNameIdeas2 So stupid they are destroying in Resolve and many other professional tools. But what do you care. you don't run professional software on your computer to get paid.

[@bedrock5067]

@@OutOfNameIdeas2 You should first get a m1 mac and see how powerfull it is every pc one day will switch to arm and you will have to use it too.

[@brokensh3ll816]

@@bedrock5067 laptop not pc

[@danawakes2001]

I wish you did Starcraft 2

[@razor19906]

It suCks

[@josephfrye7342]

m1 cpu is the original one while m1 pro is the new one and for gaming too it's kinda like intel cpu vs amd cpu but this time just the apple version with m1 and m1 pro cpu

[@AdmiralBison]

I’m sorry but it if isn’t clear to all of us Mac fans, Apple NEEDS TO EMPLOY A GAME GURU. Cloud gaming, Apple Arcade for children and demoing one or two old AAA games is not going to cut it. For expensive “ high end” laptops M1 Pro/Max fall far short on a massive aspect to the total computer experience - “play”. Apple has neglected AAA gaming for decades and Mac users ought to be critical towards Apple than PC gamers in this area. There shouldn’t be any need to eek out and tweak performance just to get reasonable performance for today’s gaming standards out of the already slim pickings of native games , let alone have worse results in Crossover and Parallels. This is more Apple’s fault, than it is developers not bothering to put resources into a platform that has languished in this area since the beginning. Don’t excuse a multi-trillion dollar corporation they can’t do AAA gaming when small outlets in China are able to pull better AAA gaming experiences with far less capable hardware and budgets.

[@shanevanpelt7802]

Lmao it can't even get 60fps at 1200p low meanwhile my pc gets 100fps in most games at 4k high in 90% of games

[@aqueous5099]

What laptop?

[@JeanAnD0nly]

Lmao 4k 100fps on laptop? Ur dreaming bruh unless u overpaid for that compared to my beast pc setup i call bs

[@dr.python]

You sound like you don't know what native support means, those games in steam library don't have native support. Don't mislead.

[@drzeissler]

mostly still x86-code that runs through the ARM64 pipeline...so 30-50% performance wasted... still input's not fixed on most feral games in steam...what a shame.

[@sherry4353]

Hab ein Problem. Brauch wegen Mediendesign ein Apple Gerät, will aber auch spielen, bin in einer Ausbildung. Ja. Toll. M1 Chip die Lösung? Kann mir da jemand rückmelden ob sich das lohnt? Will eigentlich nur Valorant & Overwatch spielen & bin schlechte Grafikeinstellungen gewöhnt, heißt ich hab im Bereich Game keinen so großen Anspruch. Mit Design allerdings schon wegen Arbeit, Adobe Programme halt, die brauch ich. Lohnt sich Macbook M1 Pro dafür?

[@casperes0912]

Sorry, what? Portal came out way way way after 64-bit was a thing. It's 32-bit yeah, but the first AMD x86-64 chip was released in 2003 and there were 64-bit chips back in like the 80's, maybe prior too

[@adnelortiz]

Fix that Mac, install Windows. ^____^

[@eugenelu2011]

feel like player was played by games more than playing games. but surely, this will definitely improve in near future. not apples fault.

[@Chemy.]

GeForce Now works? Also Stadia? Lol

[@exow5552]

hmm valve porting to linux x86 (x64) has nothing to do with ARM tho.. so Crossover emulated x86 to ARM?

[@totalermist]

Nothing to do with CrossOver - the M1 can run x86 code using Rosetta by itself.

[@BidoTech]

As you say. It just work. For that price should play everything in 8K maxed out.

[@RunForPeace-hk1cu]

It's not a gaming PC. It's a laptop designed for professionals to do work that pays them money.

[@gemferg]

bro you look like freeza what happen

[@maxpanicked1451]

Wondering too. Hoping evrrything is okay...

[@Clutch4IceCream]

Considering the M1 IPad Pro was running Divinity original sin 2 max settings 1440p 60 FPS with minimal drops, I’m not surprised how strong the new M1 chips.

[@quantumleaper]

Running a 4-year-old game... I would hope it ran well.

[@WhatThePheel]

Doesn't count if you're running the app version that was made for the IPad

[@Clutch4IceCream]

@@WhatThePheel The app Version is highly optimized and runs at PC MAX settings natively. it's impressive to see.

[@emc2677]

I have a laptop specs are gtx1050 ti + i5 7300. It runs witcher 3 with high graphs and 50-60 FPS! Price: 700 Dolar M1 pro gives 45-50 FPS! :D price is sky.

[@AV84USA]

Doesn’t anyone just ask their mom to buy them an Xbox anymore?

[@danield.7359]

The big elephant in the room is the fact that this is an SOC - a CPU with an integrated GPU. So dear AMD, please, please do not serve us another round of just a little bit improved APUs. We want an integrated GPU that performs on RTX2060 levels at minimum! Apple has demonstrated that this is absolutely feasible. Anything less than that would be just an embarrassment.

[@HypoCT]

Not gonna jump in on AMD's defense here, even Intel don't have such level of integrated GPU. It's quite the tall order too considering 2060 performs quite similar to 3060. An SOC does not equal to an APU, it's almost an entirely different thing. Personally, I'd love to see the more realistic RDNA 2 APU soon, that's gonna be awesome.

[@RyugaHidekiOrRyuzaki]

Memory bandwidth. AMD could come out with a banging APU and it would be kneecapped by DDR4/5 latency and bandwidth.

[@evacody1249]

🤦‍♂️ The Playstation and Xbox both use an AMD SoC.

[@x6da9crain]

So buy a cheap gaming desktop setup and get a mac for the road. Got it

[@danielnowak6504]

Is worse than i expected, its barely better than fucking GTX 770 in borderlands

[@YouTuberr285]

Damn this processor sucks for gaming

[@findingharmoni6750]

Witcher 3 cannot be high 😂

[@yashgurung2809]

Lol Max user trying to say below 60fps for aaa games is completely ok; Damn sound sooo desperate lol

[@shalukafernando6910]

Try Dota 2 and share some video as well. Thank you

[@jt3000o]

Lol 1050ti is better

[@evacody1249]

At low settings.

[@jt3000o]

@@evacody1249 no

[@Maximus20778]

Dudes comparing a full on gpu to a Apu 💀

[@AdmiralBison]

M1 Pro for gaming is NOT better than I thought, it turned out disappointing. It should be no surprise considering Apple has done Jack squat in decades to do anything meaningful to make the platform a respectable AAA gaming powerhouse. Apple doesn’t know gaming, Apple thinks mobile, cloud and Apple Arcade is gaming and is desperate to sell that to gamers instead. Let’s stop excusing a multi-trillion dollar corporation and demand better, otherwise they will not do better.

[@flightevolution8132]

You didn't say a single meaningful thing @duane. Everything you said was vague shit, how about you mention the specific problems you had with it.

[@marksapollo]

ANY Windows laptop at this price point and for 'pro's' would run any of these games fine, as in without crashes and bugs.. Macs are now more disabled for gaming then they were before.

[@CNFrostXY]

That's really disappointing, since it looks like the M1 Pro's GPU gaming performance is worse than even the Radeon 5500M from 2019, which can run Shadow of the Tomb Raider at 1080p on high at 50 fps and Witcher 3 at 1080p on high at 60+ fps. However, on Notebookcheck, the ranking of M1 Pro chip is just sitting above the RTX2070 mobile, which can run the above settings at 100+ fps. So either the theoretical benchmarks are bogus or you did something wrong.

[@michellek8896]

Here’s a tip, talk about no sulfates fast hair growth shampoo.

[@LastSnailStanding]

…yeah I’m glad I ditched apple ahaha

[@GiantMrTHX]

Next time test other games than minecraft and terraria. 😛

[@marksapollo]

And also no Apple are. It putting any pressure on the industry. Arm Macs are a tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny part of the global market. And AMD is in the PS5 and Xbox Series and in Microsoft's Azure network, let alone PC's, and that's not mentioning Intel. But damn these new Macs are nice.

[@freger7841]

OMG no way!!! Your 3000$ laptop performs slightly better than 1030!!! Shut up and take my money!!!

[@300sekkq]

for 2k laptop its litterly dog shit

[@Maximus20778]

It's ARM dude it's new ND different