M1 Pro & M1 Max - Everything You Need To Know

Apple has two new models in its MacBook Pro line-up along with two new processors, the M1 Pro and the M1 Max. Both have up to 10 CPU cores, while the M1 Max has up to 32 GPU cores.
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[@open_ckt]

Everyone is talking about the power efficiency, imo the most mind blowing thing is the GPU, who would have thought that integrated graphics will one day destroy most of the discrete ones!

[@Deadlines-X]

ps5 xbox series x...

[@amanagarwal1939]

@@Deadlines-X Ps5 has 10.3 tflops of performance. m1 max is marginally better at 10.4

[@DanielBoos]

@@amanagarwal1939 never go by tflops numbers, it's pointless when you comparing different architecture

[@shrin210]

@@DanielBoos Even in terms of architecture arm is better than x86.

[@amanagarwal1939]

@@DanielBoos Right but it does give an estimate of Raw GPU capabilities

[@open_ckt]

4:37 For those who don't know, the instruction cache and the data cache together form the L1 cache.

[@generalginger7804]

Oh boy, you are super hyped aren't you?

[@open_ckt]

​@@generalginger7804 Hell Yeah!

[@makisekurisu4674]

So, it doesn't have any L3 cache only, lots of L2..Just like how Nvidia did it during the 750 ti days

[@open_ckt]

@@makisekurisu4674 Mabye they haven't disclosed the L3 size.

[@makisekurisu4674]

@@open_ckt Most likely they don't have it. If you have a lot of L2 you don't need L3 anymore!

[@open_ckt]

So now we have the M1 Max Macs lol

[@mikemuponda1781]

U lost me at m1 ma... 😭😂

[@GamerTayhong]

While eating a big Mac at McDonald's

[@binoymathew246]

@Gary Thank you for this video. A nice little breakdown of everything.

[@El.Duder-ino]

Well explained thx Gary!

[@open_ckt]

9:46 Funny, this time they indeed gave on the bottom right which PC laptops they are comparing with.

[@simeonnischith6075]

yeah this is new.

[@peterfarah6015]

Detailed and clear recap of the new M1s. Thank you !

[@tjsound1258]

The most useful rundown of the chips yet. Thank you! Based on what little we have, can you speak on the power consumption, heat generation, and fan noise? Having used the M1 Air for nearly a year, as a musician, I am ecstatic about the complete lack of heat and fan noise issues. My previous was a 17” MacBook Pro, which fried two graphics chips. Not to mention the M1 SSD is 10x faster than the 17”, and the MacBook Pro’s are 2x faster than that!! My understanding is that the Max chips come with a beefier cooling system. Are Max users going to experience higher power consumption along with related heat and fan noise? Thanks again for your comprehensive review!!

[@oscarmvl]

This is the video I was waiting for right after they announced the new processors.

[@vibinm3964]

Excellent explanation 👌🏻

[@omerfar]

I have been waiting for this review

[@vit.khudenko]

Thank you for the review. For me it would be even more interesting to see the single core performance comparison, as in many cases this is what primarily defines performance for my tasks.

[@Filtersloth]

Check out m1 benchmarks then. These are m1 cores, just more of them.

[@murtadha96]

Your videos have the most insight, thank you!

[@GaryExplains]

Glad you like them!

[@shahzaibcfa6348]

this is what i have been waiting for..Gary explains is everything when it comes to in depth technical knowledge. thumbs up, you deserve a million subscribers

[@eyeshezzy]

would like to see you do some crazy neural code processing with these

[@gves2]

Honestly, coming from the tech industry myself, I really value Gary's input into soc's in the arm space. Gary, you're doing a great job

[@SwissPGO]

Lets hope they finally support Multi-stream display port (MST) so that multiple external monitors can be daisy chained over USB-C. Not everyone working with macs are doing video work and requires pro-res etc...

[@kylebelle246]

You didn't mention what I consider the most important part for me which most windows laptops fail miserably at and that is unplugged performance. It seriously defeats the purpose of a laptop. Not only is performance like 80% worse but battery life still fucking sucks while doing so.

[@kylebelle246]

And I bet these new Macs don't get nearly as hot as some of these windows machines and not nearly as much fan noise but that's just speculation on my part, we'll have to see

[@simeonnischith6075]

@@kylebelle246 yes same idea because it would barely go 40w for most tasks and its easy to handle due to it having two fans

[@kylebelle246]

@@simeonnischith6075 yup thats true. it also helps with another major issue with these hot windows laptop, and that is battery swelling and extreme battery degradation. i suspect this is happening with my current razer blade 15 advance. i can't even get an hour of netflix from this thing. This is pretty much just a sleek desktop.

[@simeonnischith6075]

@@kylebelle246 all we need now, is optimised software to efficiently use cores unlike older x86 apps

[@open_ckt]

8:12 How do you identify this stuff just by looking at it?

[@hupa1a]

Great one!

[@TheGuroguro12]

thanks

[@anmolagrawal5358]

11:27 Couldn't the ambiguity regarding whether the 30W is referring to GPU only or the whole package be resolved by referring to the M1 power in the same graph and compare it to the data when it was tested?

[@jeff8580]

I am hoping Garry is planning to benchmark these M1s on speed test G. Can't wait.✌️

[@GaryExplains]

That would be great, but I don't think it will happen 😪

[@dnazz9784]

Does it make sense to purchase the M1 Max if you don't care about the extra gpu cores and are only going for 32GB of RAM? Seems the memory bandwidth increase 400 > 200 only applies with a 64GB config?

[@jorge1170xyz]

Great video as always but I personally believe that the layman needs to get a quick refresher (on almost every video) reminding everyone that the dramatic switch to ARM itself accounts for some large portion of the Apple magic we are witnessing...at least the power consumption part.

[@tonyburzio4107]

Blender is getting Apple engineering help, so a native Metal version of Blender is imminent. Blender feeds into Steam, which means games.

[@wowpeter]

Blender is just a 3D modelling / animation / VFX tools... So I don't see how this will translate to more games per say.

[@melomaniakjm]

Blender has nothing to do with Steam. But yeah having Metal for Blender is awesome.

[@evacody1249]

🤦‍♂️

[@evacody1249]

Steam is working more on the Linux side.

[@godofbiscuitssf]

@@wowpeter The more places Metal is supported, the more familiar developers are with Metal, the more Metal is supported, the more games end up atop Metal.

[@psycl0ptic]

Wondering if the RAM chips are 16GB modules only. Note they are stated as 128Bit bus each, so combined in parallel, gives you the total throughput, just like a GPU. The mem perf is stated as "upto - 200GB or 400GB", so wondering if its upto based on your config. If they only use 16GB modules, then 16GB config would only be 100GB; 32 would max out at 200GB; only a 64GB would actually hit the 400GB bandwidth 16X4 or 128X4 for 512Bit bus.

[@protek7028]

Garry can u please highlight wether M1 chips are hyperthreaded or not ? M1 pro with 8 core CPU is 8 x physical cores or 8 x logical processors ??

[@GaryExplains]

No they are not hyperthreaded, these are real physical cores.

[@open_ckt]

Firstly, Hyperthreading is basically a special case of Simultaneous Multi-Threading, SMT (which is indeed hardware thread and NOT software thread) with static partitioning. Secondly, cores and threads are two different things. That means we have 8 physical cores and within that there may be some form of SMT.

[@shresthsonkar9207]

@@steveseidel9967 and obviously apple has 8 wide decoders compared to 4/5 on intel/AMD CPU. Spot on.

[@AbdulMajeedHamid]

I really want to know this , if the rams fail in this kind of unified design , what happens ? Is it fixable or one is just toasted?

[@fod1202]

Fixable, but by a professional. Most likely not worth it to fix though.

[@sefeiba7477]

I hope people test these and tell us the life expectancy of the rams and ssds

[@shmchuck]

Do they really manufacture different chips or do they disable cores via software?

[@open_ckt]

Neither I guess. The ones with lesser cores are the ones that malfunctioned because of some manufacturing error. Such chips are in huge numbers so instead throwing these, they are included in a cheaper model.

[@fmax30000]

@@open_ckt And it’s called chip binning.

[@FernandoAES]

It's probably physically disabled. Intel did the same. They test the chips and if it has a defective core, instead of dumping the chip at a loss they sell it as a lower spec (i3 instead of i5). Or if the leakage is high, they underclock it to keep the TDP.

[@ne0tic]

M1 Pro is one chip, M1 Max is another. They don't manufacture different variants of those. Some cores are either dead or they disable them. For example with an M1 Pro, lets say one performance core is dead, they will then disable another one, maybe two GPU cores are dead as well, it then becomes a perfect baseline M1 Pro chip :)

[@well7885]

Manufactures 2 chips: M1 Pro and M1 Max. Then binning to disable defective CPU/GPU cores to obtain the many variations

[@sbr3618]

Hi! Do you believe the Liquid Retina XDR display requires more GPU power than the M1 Macbook Pro, which lacks the XDR display? In that case, would it be better to invest in a 32-core GPU rather than a 16-core GPU for future-proofing?

[@MadMaxBLD]

The resolution of the new display is higher, so in 3D apps that render to native resolution it would be beneficial to have more GPU cores. However, desktop graphics shouldn't require more cores to run smoothly.

[@adobegr]

Is A15 or A15 as it has the ProRes encoders/decoders inside something A14 didn’t have.

[@TheJlter]

Thanks - So are the new M1 processors based on Armv9, or are they based on Armv8 ?

[@GaryExplains]

Armv8 as it is the same CPU design that is in the M1 and the A14 Bionic.

[@TheJlter]

@@GaryExplains Thank you - based on that would you rather wait and buy a M2 that is based on the Armv9 ? Or is the difference just too small, perhaps ?

[@GaryExplains]

I don't give purchase advise. Your needs will be different to mine, so there is no way I can say.

[@sgill4833]

Does this mean no fan noise?

[@jeffreywoodin8549]

You didn't mention the video encoders and decoders (including ProRes)? The number of memory channels and bandwidth (and GPU VRAM memory size) is really incredible too on these M1's.

[@GaryExplains]

I thought I did mention the memory channels and the bandwidth.

[@jeffreywoodin8549]

@@GaryExplains You did mention some of that (although I don't think the number of memory channels?), and showed Apples 400 GB/s graphic, I was just commenting on how impressive the numbers were. Thanks for the video...

[@mikldude9376]

It will be interesting to see what apple does with the next Imac upgrade , i think it will be beastly .

[@MrJohnyto]

I cannot wait.it’s gonna be 🔥

[@sgodsellify]

I wonder about the thermals on their new chips? From the looks of these new SoCs, especially the M1 Max. If it starts to heat up, then how much does their clock speeds drop? Plus how much time can it run before the thermals start to kick in?

[@chidorirasenganz]

It won’t. The m1 macs with active cooling aren’t limited by thermals

[@FernandoAES]

They show 30W for CPU and 60W for GPU on those graphs. So let's assume 90W if you manage to run both full tilt. Thats the same power envelope of the retiring top end intel 16" mpb and that machine could keep up nicely. Since the machine is not thinner and actually heavier, I suppose it won't have cooling issues. But we will learn next week with the first hands-on.

[@chidorirasenganz]

@@FernandoAES also the fans push 70% more air

[@shresthsonkar9207]

@@FernandoAES yes but how many applications do push that much? If we talk about exporting videos, apple has dedicated encode/decode engines. If we talk about CPU based rendering, GPU utilisation will be minimal. In ML workloads (covered under several articles on M1, search ML on M1 macs) the work is done by the ANE and GPU combined, again, not possible to hit 90W. In games, for example, even running CP2077 on the benchmarked MSI GP66 leopard gives 95+ GPU usage and 45-50 CPU usages In worst case, you’re looking at 75W.

[@debojitmandal8670]

I have a question . The memory used in the apple silicon is ddr and not gddr which makes it slower in theory so how is the memory speed so fast despite boasting ddr and not gddr

[@tonyburzio4107]

Distance.

[@FernandoAES]

Clock speed, reduced cycles for access and number of channels I would guess.

[@vamsi9520]

Please make a video on intel alder lake

[@sinebar]

I ordered the 16" Max yesterday.

[@open_ckt]

Expected delivery? And what do you plan to use it for?

[@aniketmodi7864]

@@open_ckt lodu badhe kem comment kre chodya

[@oghenekaro]

Hey prof, when I asked why they have so many options on the CPU, someone talked about binning, which made sense to an extent but then I asked why the neural engine is unaffected and they said that is impossible to go through binning. can you just make a video on this please so I can really understand and for other people looking to buy a MacBook and choose the processor that works best for them?

[@someghosts]

This

[@byrontheobald6663]

I'd suspect its more to do with the software perspective. They want developers to be able to reliably target a 16-core neural engine, the M1 also has the same number of cores, meaning its capability would be shared across all of their devices. (A14B, M1/Pro/Max and A15B all have a 16-core ANE) One notable difference is the clock-speed, which means the OPS differs. But theoretically if developers target a 16-core ANE, these devices may perform better without additional development effort. Getting technical, ANE and many other ML accelerators / NPUs perform memory and arithmetic operations on multi-dimensional matricies using DMA (Direct Memory Access). The number of cores refers to the number of 'pipes' that can 'start' their operation at a different memory address on large matricies. The number of neural engine cores has always been a power of 2. (2/8/16)

[@zoeherriot]

Yeah, it probably does go through binning - it's just that there is only one allowable spec and any SOC that doesn't meet the spec is "binned" as in - it's just thrown out.

[@kninezbanks]

If you look at the die charts from anandtech, the neural engine is very small.....The biggest components are the gpu cores, followed by the cpu cores, so they are more likely to get damaged, The neural engine is also too important.....if it gets damaged, the chip gets thrown out.

[@ko-Daegu]

@@zoeherriot I dunno but binning sounds like a waste to me why not print your circuited with fewer transistors instead of deactivating them ?

[@Captinofthemudslayer]

how these hold up for general programing

[@GaryExplains]

What do you mean by "hold up" and what do you mean by "general programming"?

[@davidg4512]

System is insane, but the price tag! Still very competitive for video editing performance.

[@soragranda]

If those 10teraflops is on fp16 then at the very least is 5teraflops in fp32, either way is amazing for that wattage, let's hope it's 10 teraflops in fp32!

[@alliejr]

Is the on-chip RAM to CPU channel 400 gigaBITS per second or 400 gigaBYTES per second? Apple said gigaBYTES, but you (and others I've watched) keep saying gigaBITS per second. Which is it?

[@open_ckt]

Gb = Gigabits, GB = GigaBytes

[@emastre16]

It's bytes per the apple website.

[@YPO6]

Byits

[@GaryExplains]

Gigabytes, I misspoke.

[@open_ckt]

@@YPO6 Intellec

[@PaulSpades]

Somebody finally put some PowerVr GPU cores to work in a properly high power product with leading edge manufacturing. Though I think the M1 already had equivalent performance to AMD APUs. I'm already considering a mac mini, hopefullly these new chips wind up in one soon enough.

[@chidorirasenganz]

Nah they stomped amd APUs. The m1 was equal to the 5300m in metal performance

[@shrinivas.badnur]

sir please talk about tenser chip

[@GaryExplains]

🤔 you mean like in the video I posted yesterday?

[@shrinivas.badnur]

@@GaryExplains of sorry i didn't know 😊

[@gioprox5207]

I have a hunch that the M1 Max (particularly the 32 gpu core version) will not match the performance of an rtx 3080 like apple claims (at least not for extended periods of time) because i dont think that the gpu will recieve sufficient wattage for maybe 25 seconds at best, and when the cpu is being used extensively i get the feeling that the 32 core gpu might never recieve the wattage to match an rtx 3080. I could be proven completely wrong tho

[@yuniorperaltagonzalez7888]

Does M1 Pro have a memory bandwidth of 200 GB/s for both 16 GB and 32 GB of RAM? Or that bandwidth can only be achieved if using 32 GB of RAM?

[@Lasagnakilla]

I think Gary got it wrong with that, a ps5 has a memory bandwidth of 440gb but only has 16gb of ram. Memory bandwidth is not determined by ram size but by the chip fabric and architecture, also saw other comments, and I agree that it might be a 4x4 ram package for the max and a 2x8 for the pro.

[@jlu]

I wonder if Apple will follow a tick-tock cycle for its M series processors, releasing new architectures first on iPhone then scaling them up for the Mac

[@synen]

How does these chips compare to say AMD 5950x?

[@alexandereremin8483]

I'm interesting in M1 Max with 32GB unified memory configuration. Will it be 4x8GB with 400BG/s or just 2x16GB with 200GB/s bandwidth?(this is actually where Apple can trick us)

[@GaryExplains]

Very good question.

[@FernandoAES]

It seems pretty straightforward that M1 works with either 8GB die or 16GB die. And M1 Pro is either 2x8GB or 2x16GB. And M1 Max is either 4x8GB or 4x16GB. The photos and the store available configurations all indicate that. Also they don't use the dreaded "up to" in the marketing material.

[@alexandereremin8483]

@@FernandoAES Well, that's a good point.

[@GaryExplains]

And that look like a good answer! :-)

[@yuniorperaltagonzalez7888]

this was my concern as well

[@notmynameonyoutube6658]

Interestingly, these new chips support Thunderbolt 4, as opposed to USB4/Thunderbolt 3 in the M1. I haven't seen anyone talk about that. I had assumed that Thunderbolt 4 was an Intel thing and that the M1 got Thunderbolt 3 because it became a part of USB4.

[@tonyburzio4107]

The M1 is clearly labeled Thunderbolt without a number, since it didn't have display support to be called Thunderbolt 4.

[@GaryExplains]

I have a whole video about Thunderbolt in the M1: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nnnCnZWHmLWcZ9E

[@well7885]

Thunderbolt was co-developed by Intel + Apple

[@pinkindepth]

is it built on risk v9 ?

[@open_ckt]

Nope. Probably the M2 will be built on ARM v9.

[@Limpuls]

@@open_ckt Do you think it worth to wait for ARM v9? I'm not gonna upgrade until spring or summer anyway so perhaps the new macbook airs will come with ARM v9. Besides security what would be other benefits of it?

[@open_ckt]

@@Limpuls I am also waiting for Macbook air M2. It is definitely worth the wait. We don't have any chips as of now designed using v9 but there surely is much more to it other than security, it is a new generation altogether bro, so a lot of optimizations. Apart from v9, we are also having the design changes, better display (mini-LED), more ports, 3nm tech and so on.

[@yuniorperaltagonzalez7888]

I think there will always be something to wait for, v9 with 3nm arch, then more performance or battery life with maybe solid state battery, then lot more mini leds for an even better image quality or maybe micro led, etc. I suggest just buy a new laptop when you really need it otherwise you will always be waiting.

[@Hello-wf5tv]

Have been waiting for you mate😎

[@1MarkKeller]

*GARY!!!* *Good Afternoon Professor!* *Good Afternoon Fellow Classmates!* Stay Safe Out There Everyone!

[@GaryExplains]

MARK!!!

[@AshokKumar21]

Something that I noticed with the color scheme... WoW and maybe other MMOs or RPGs have this item color scheme M1 Pro is Blue (Rare) M1 Max is Purple (Epic) M1 Pro Max will be Orange? 🤔 (Legendary)

[@bobweiram6321]

They will all be named M1 Progeria

[@istaygolden3017]

Cant wait till there's a version of this chip in an iPad! :)

[@chidorirasenganz]

There won’t be

[@amashaziz2212]

No way current ipad designs can support m1 max. Maybe not even m1 pro without additional cooling

[@HeyItsHades]

there's already an M1 in the iPad and its pointless. I have a 12.9" M1 iPad Pro and guess what? It preforms the exact same as last years model. Why? 1) Apples A series of chips are already super powerful and 2) it's an iPad so developers keep that in mind when developing apps. So even video editing apps dont max out the performance like they do on Macs.

[@chidorirasenganz]

@@HeyItsHades it’s not pointless because that was a chip that was always going to end up in the iPad. And also apps do you take a do advantage of the additional performance. Especially with the increase in ram.

[@sarthakyadava]

M2 will make it to ipad pros

[@henson2k]

Each human on Earth can get 4 transistors on each M1 Pro CPU

[@GraphicdesignforFree]

Performance is huge (sadly also the prices).

[@asura2545]

How about gaming?

[@nuyou21]

Well, it's safe to say after seeing these insane M1 Pro and M1 Max MacBook Pros, Intel's CEO started crying. 😂

[@FernandoAES]

And AMD on the GPU department.

[@ewolam]

@@FernandoAES I think Intel is hurt more than AMD in self esteem.

[@peterfarah6015]

Continued crying*. He started when he saw the M1.🤣

[@chillidog8726]

i would have loved to see the same graphs with AMD cpu and AMD gpu since they are more power efficient then intel and nvidia now apple will still be more efficient but id likw to know the diffrence

[@taher9358]

I’m very excited about this.

[@RealLifeTech187]

With Apple using modified Imagination/PowerVR GPUs and seeing how well they perform I wonder why Samsung and MediaTek never used them more?

[@well7885]

Modified is really an understatement. They took the Imagination GPUs and worked on them for so many years to reach this point

[@MrMysticphantom]

You plan on doing benchmarks for these? I am actually interested in the single threaded perf

[@GaryExplains]

That would be nice, but sadly no, I have an M1 MacBook Air and I don't have the budget for these new ones... Way too expensive for me!

[@divyeshjain8699]

@@GaryExplains Why don’t you buy them for a few days and return them within the return period

[@GaryExplains]

Hmmm very ethical.

[@s.lingesan]

@@GaryExplains You can get it from your friends if one of them orders it.

[@ThePowerLover]

@@GaryExplains You're the first man who said that! Congratulations 💖

[@mohammedabdullah4618]

I doubt storage is upgradable, especially if they gave the options to choose the storage, if you know apple's history, you know!

[@anishekanand381]

Thunderbolt is intel exclusive ?

[@GaryExplains]

No it isn't.

[@protek7028]

Garry please make video on how M1 is performing after its release ? What about its emulator rosetta ? What about developer community and companies for reputed application software is choosing M1 arch (ARM) or not?

[@darkashes9953]

New 27 inch iMacs with mini led display and probably a m1 pro and m1 max chip coming first half of 2022

[@B.D.F.]

It would be interesting to see if developers could somehow use the ML cores for ray tracing.

[@eduardoalvarez2497]

ok that's an interesting question. I do not understand how a ML core works to know if that's possible, but if not, maybe the next best thing would be raytrace an scene at a lower resolution using the GPU cores and then using the ML cores for using high quality AI upscaling like Nvidia does. Could that be possible?

[@amashaziz2212]

@@eduardoalvarez2497 hmmm seems worthy of a discussion by people who actually know such stuff rather than kids, who think they r smart, posting their opinions

[@B.D.F.]

@@amashaziz2212 Lead by example.

[@open_ckt]

This is the type of content I love, not just reading the specs. Everything is perfectly covered here. Any similar channels like this?

[@commentarytalk1446]

For some testing you might like: " Alexander Ziskind". Gary is more global in information so different. Both excellent. As for GPU, yes agree with your other comment, that said I'm more interested to see WHAT GAMES (purely compatibility and performance) can run on Apple now. That will be interesting both purely technically but also pointing forwards to if successful.

[@open_ckt]

@@commentarytalk1446 Thanks for the recommendation. Regarding the games, I agree it will depend more on the compatibility part, not all games are yet (natively) supported sadly.

[@tachoudhury]

TechTechPotato for similarly technical content

[@commentarytalk1446]

@@open_ckt Agree, early days hence the interest in how far they can "push it" this early.

[@open_ckt]

@@commentarytalk1446 Yeah, so much performance for what? So many applications cannot run on 'em.

[@abidibrahimsafwan3974]

Gary is this tsmc 2nd or 1st gen 5nm process node🤔

[@greecemobile7610]

probably the first gen

[@open_ckt]

2nd gen

[@alright272]

Now this is making this m1 macbook pro user here jealous!

[@SunsetNova]

RIP Intel 💀

[@allen2770]

Unless Apple is willing to sell these chips to other pc manufacturers, I don't think it's RIP for Intel.

[@tyre1337]

@@allen2770 RIP for intel regardless of apple, 6 years of stagnation, alder lake better be good

[@allen2770]

@@tyre1337 nah it'll take a lot more years for Intel to RIP. But I doubt it'll happen

[@FM-oj7bq]

For daily use, does 8 core and 10 core have huge differences? I bought the 8 core one but not sure if I should change it to 10 core, send help!

[@ne0tic]

What will you do on the daily? You will not notice a difference unless you're doing something demanding in terms of multi-core, like rendering a video. But even then, the GPU will likely help accelerating the process so it will likely just be a 5-10% longer export time, which you would not really notice unless you knew about it or tested a 8 core vs a 10 core side by side.

[@shresthsonkar9207]

Prime focus of these chips are the GPU and dedicated processing blocks for video (en/de)code and higher RAM options. CPU won’t be as fast, but honestly, for video editing that macs are most popular for, you already have dedicated IP blocks. Even then, if 8+2 is claimed to be 1.7x faster than M1, that still makes the base 6+2 cpu on 14”mbp 30% faster than M1. In GPU, that 14c unit would be a whopping 1.7x faster, not as good as the 2x faster claim for 8c GPU, but still impressive enough considering the overall package - 1. Build quality 2. Speakers and webcam 3. 3K120Hz miniLED screen 4. Battery life

[@aisback1990]

Apple is really impressing me.

[@wesss9353]

With how much e-waste they produce? With not supporting the customer with right to repair? How are they impressing you?

[@CC-tk9xw]

@@wesss9353 to put it simply kid it’s like apple combine the best intel/amd cpu and nvidia GPU into one little tiny SoC with just 30w of power. Are you not impressed? Or just dumb? Its a breakthrough that someone did that its an open class of SoC at this point.

[@wesss9353]

@@CC-tk9xw when will Apple release the new schematics? You will own nothing and be happy

[@aisback1990]

@@wesss9353 you sound angry. Have a time out

[@wesss9353]

@@aisback1990 kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWPChI1qqct_pNU

[@VhsssTv]

I really just wanna see the M2 max, armv9 ,4nm & apple further mastering their own chips. Maybe 100billion transistors even 😂❤️

[@open_ckt]

After 5nm, next is 3nm.

[@VhsssTv]

@@open_ckt ah okay, on phones its 4nm next (a16 & snapdragon 898 & exynos 2200) so I assumed the M2 would also be 4nm.

[@nimrodlevy]

It will take time, the don't have the personnel for that now, they'll have to snatch people from intel/amd/samsung/arm to do that, the aren't alot of cpu designers as you think and designing one is really really really really hard.

[@open_ckt]

@@nimrodlevy Yeah, when everyone is running behind software engineering, who's gonna design the hardware?

[@open_ckt]

@@VhsssTv Probably because snapdragon and Exynos chips are manufactured by Samsung foundry and Apple silicon is manufactured by TSMC.

[@QUADBOYification]

I guess next year they will come with integrated SSD? Put it all in a single SOC at 2nm.

[@a.thales7641]

Well next year comes 3nm first. Maybe in 3 years? But surely in 5-6 years.

[@bhargavapothakamuri4218]

I didn’t believe they could fit a 64gig DDR what ever speed on the package! Now I am shocked.

[@open_ckt]

Now I am more excited for Macbook Air M2, which will most probably be ARM v9 based. I just hope Macbook Air M2 won't have that ugly notch.

[@Davidsworldtravels]

I also hope they look sleek and futuristic. The MBP design looks weird and old. Like I’m surprised people like them at all. I’m really disappointed.

[@FrowningTaco]

Sadly... rumors suggest that the air will have a notch. Also, the leakers that said this, were pretty spot on with these new pros.

[@open_ckt]

You get a notch, you get a notch, everyone gets a notch! NotchPhone, NotchBook Pro, NotchBook Air.

[@James-ln6li]

I had the exact same thought. I'm waiting for the Air M2 for the Mini-LED screen and ARM v9 M2. However, after seeing the notch today, I am wondering if I should just buy an Air M1 now.

[@tonyburzio4107]

The screen real estate on either side of the notch is not part of the display, it's where the old bar would go when it slid up off the screen. That's why the aspect ration is so weird.

[@CodeXND]

this has 32 GPU cores while Nvidia Geforce RTX 2060 has around 1900 cuda cores, isn't nvidia better or am I missing something?

[@GaryExplains]

How you define a core in a GPU is very different for each company. If you look at the M1 Pro it has 2048 execution units, and almost 50,000 threads. Nvidia tends to use the latter types of numbers for "cores'.

[@CodeXND]

@@GaryExplains Thanks

[@inuxd8547]

@@GaryExplains nice inpoh

[@michael.d6451]

M1 Pro Max SE Plus

[@lethalhands7497]

Having powerful gpu still not good for gaming why?

[@OroborOSX11]

Love your vids. Just technical enough to keep me interested.

[@muck11790]

I was waiting on this video

[@Ha-ue9kg]

These massive 5nm dies can’t be cheap to produce. I guess Apple is probably subsidizing that with the overpriced RAM/Storage upgrades.

[@tonyburzio4107]

Overpriced, until you see the speeds. Then you realize, it's a bargain!

[@lucabartolucci919]

Selling also the weird 8 Core CPU and 14, 24 GPU just because you can't waste SOC

[@clickbaitpro]

@@tonyburzio4107 No it's still overpriced

[@chidorirasenganz]

@@lucabartolucci919 yeah but that’s normal in computing

[@chidorirasenganz]

@@clickbaitpro nah

[@francescogiuseppearagona1109]

How could they menage performance as good as 3050 Ti for this little power usage i don't know, it sounds too good to be true, but if these claims about GPU performance are true, all other competitors (nvidia, AMD and intel) are basically dead. Because yes, you can't game on a mac, for now, but what if you could...

[@HeyItsHades]

everyone doubted the M1 when gave their numbers. The reasons why they can preform so well with little power usage is 1) arm 2) SOC vs regular modular components 3) vertical optimization. Apples M1 Max is equal to a rtx 3080 for graphics and they showed that the M1 Pro & Max are 5 times faster than the i9 that was in the top level 16" MacBook last year. Also, because they have unified memory all that memory (up to 64GB) can be used by the whole system (which means including the graphic cores). Further, because of an SOC design there is no coping of information between the CPU, RAM, GPU, & storage which significantly speeds up everything. And the RAM is up to 400GB/s which is multiples times faster than any modular RAM today. Remember, Apple is achieving these speeds in laptops. On battery power. Thats not something that possible anywhere else in the entire market. Imagine what they are going to do for the Mac mini Pro, iMac Pro, and Mac Pro where they dont have to worry about battery power at all. Every company should be scared. For a long time its been all these other companies calling Apple out on their BS but Apple just basically gave the entire industry the middle finger. I know Macs cant really game but that is mostly due to gave developers not making games for the Macs because of power limitations. With these new SOCs, metal, and steam being focused on other markets besides Windows (linux) I bet in a year or two we will see a majority of triple A games on Macs and they will preform so much better. And all that ignores rosetta which transcodes x86 into arm (without developers having to change anything in their code) and most apps actually performed better even though they were being transcoded than they did on x86 (and those results were only with the M1 & Rosetta 1). Now we have M1 Pro/Max and rosetta 2. I remember watching the videos of the M1 where windows ran better being transcoded than it did on native machines. Which I just find hilarious.

[@shresthsonkar9207]

@@HeyItsHades with the kind of extra CPU overhead that M1 Pro and max have, it’s very much possible to use a VM like parallels or crossover to play windows games just fine. M1 struggled because there weren’t as many high performance cores and the RAM was limited to 16GB so that maximum you could dedicate to the VM was 8GB. Nowadays, “recommended” RAM for most games is 16GB. Paying for VM once (even if 100$) is much cheaper than getting a new custom pc with similar hardware (including the peripherals and monitor to match the MacBook) If people can use one $3000 laptop for needs which previously required them to have a $3000 pc build, and still need a laptop for on the go usage (which could, again, cost anywhere between 500$ to 1500$)

[@PixelPulseEdits]

I know that Intel is screwed, but should Nvidia be worried ?

[@Davidsworldtravels]

No I don’t think so. The entire gaming/crypto/custom PC market can’t use Mac anyway. Game studios don’t design anything for Mac, etc. So there’s the massive market that Nvidia serves that couldn’t use Apple if they wanted to.

[@tachoudhury]

@@Davidsworldtravels Yes, I'm sure Nvidia also has stuff up their sleeve. Not to mention their software stack. The performance-per-watt arms race has well and truly begun; it will be interesting to see how Nvidia, AMD, and Intel respond.

[@tonyburzio4107]

Yes. Matches the best of NVidia. On battery power. Dayam!

[@mralxndr2846]

@@tonyburzio4107 It Matches the ps5 Performance, Look at a 3080ti or 3090 Form Nvidia. Still a huge Gap. But using 4x Power too

[@manashejmadi]

@@tachoudhury haha ARMs race

[@JamesWilson01]

Can't wait to get my hands on the new Notchbook Pro!

[@camryhsalem5139]

Soc is the future

[@sikendongol4208]

7:07 die shot of 3 M1, M1 Pro and M1 Max

[@nickfelstead7559]

cant wait for the benchmarks next week, could be the death of X86

[@open_ckt]

RISC is the future and the future is here!

[@RiteshKudalkar]

The Geekbench ones are already out: Single Core - 1745 and Multi Core - 12422

[@open_ckt]

@@RiteshKudalkar Those are just estimations. No one actually has got the device yet.

[@tyre1337]

x86 isn't going away any time soon

[@killthemessenger84]

if this true, next year all pc mobile option looks sad

[@open_ckt]

Except if your work demands Windows, not all applications are supported in Apple Silicon.

[@DK-ox7ze]

If would be nice to see a benchmark test for these two processors running different tasks and compare them to other top windows laptops, just like you do for iPhones and Android phones.

[@paulgray1318]

If this turns out to be able to niche it in crypto mining - Had they thought of that. Interesting times ahead.

[@juanmillaruelo7647]

Anything involving intensive data crunching would benefit from this in a high energy cost scenario. In a decarbonized future this will become increasingly relevant, even pressing.

[@paulgray1318]

@@juanmillaruelo7647 Most elegantly put.

[@wabuhwabuh8674]

i was expecting 3nm, increasing chip size was kinda underwhelming for me. everyone else is hyped about it but i know better...for the surface area and size of chip the specs weren't that suprising.

[@GaryExplains]

It was never going to be 3nm. TSMC is saying Q1 2023 for 3nm.

[@wabuhwabuh8674]

@@GaryExplains they could have surprised us, i was expecting to much. it's like tesla's multiprocessor...why not just add more cores LOL underwhelming. ontop of that mac OS feels outdated an clunky.

[@GaryExplains]

It isn't dependent on Apple when 3nm will be ready, that depends on TSMC and Samsung.

[@wabuhwabuh8674]

@@GaryExplains i know...im just saying it could have been a good surprise....

[@GaryExplains]

Well it would have been a seismic shift in the process technology and everyone would want to know why TSMC was saying 2023 when really it was already making chips for Apple on 3nm in 2021.

[@GamerTayhong]

There are many papers saying x86 architecture should be optimized and many of its unused instructions removed. They even detailed how this can be done. Intel didn't listen and are now getting left behind in the dust.

[@ex2bot]

If the new machines are anything like previous ones, flash storage is soldered to the motherboard and not upgradable.

[@TimHPop776]

I did not know memory was not upgradable.