M10 GMC , When Good is Enough | Forged for Battle

[@ConeOfArc]

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[@Axolsniper]

Tomorrow I’m ordering my own Hellcat patch and I’m very excited for it

[@Mellenius]

What is your source on the variant using the Japanese Type 91 105mm Howitzer? Asking so I could put in a request for it to maybe be made for War Thunder.

[@ConeOfArc]

@Mellenius there's already a post about it on the forums. Most of the information on that one is from online sources although the gun itself can be compared to photos of the gun and it's a pretty clear match. Not sure how accurate all the information surrounding that variant is though which is why I didn't go into too much detail on it

[@iGucik]

Will you also the jumbo sherman? Or maybe the croc churchill. Bumbbar and halftract stuka (230mm rockets i believe) would be dope.

[@farmcat9873]

Wolverine was popularized and given that name from model companies it was never actually given that name by troops my grandfather laughed when I first came to him and said what type of Wolverine were you in? He laughed and said What? He said it was just called the M10 never ever was it called that when he served with it.

[@ambravirlebreton]

The turret traverse is pure pain

[@AHappyCub]

Just turn your hull lmao

[@amogusenjoyer]

THEY SHOULD'VE DESIGNED THE TANK WITH FUTURE WAR THUNDER PLAYERS IN MIND 🥺 (jk but only partially)

[@Jaxenmarks]

Fr bro

[@clonescope2433]

Compared to a towed anti-tank gun it was comparable, especially when you can buy the fact that the whole hole can move under its own power instead of having to get for the crew to grab the spades and move it left or right, it's pretty decent for its time. But yeah, definitely in war thunder treat it as a casemate.

[@markolysynchuk5264]

Very true

[@joseaca1010]

This vehicle lives rent free in my head after playing Company of Heroes "Wolverine on the prowl!"

[@AHappyCub]

Makes it really sad that there's no proof that the M10 was ever called the Wolverine, US called it M10 GMC while UK called it M10 Archilles or M10C Archilles depending on the gun

[@herrdoktor1071]

“Tear´em to shreads goddammit!”

[@joseaca1010]

@@herrdoktor1071 half-track destroyed, pieces are raining down all over the goddamn place!

[@mikistenbeck6517]

in the Blitzkireg mod nowadays you can get the M10 Wolf, Hellcat, and the Jackson. :D

[@unironic_uwu]

not sure if one was referencing the other, but in Halo Wars, the Wolverine (Anti-Air) has the exact same voiceline!

[@moose6790]

I love the M10 and M36, they're some of my favorite vehicles from WWII. Great video!

[@TheGreatCd]

Agreed

[@mavrick6ada553]

My Dad got me into historical Armored vehicles. his favorite was the M10 GMC, and I find it very fitting that, in all of my researching and learning about tanks, its successor the M36 is still my favorite.

[@thekommunistkrusader3921]

Bro is the successor

[@Anlushac11]

At the time it entered service the M10 was a lethal threat on all the fronts it was deployed. It was even capable of knocking out a Tiger I frontally at normal combat ranges. By the time the M10 and M4-76mm arrived it was no longer needed. in ETO conversion kits whcih consisted of a M36 turret with gun, and hte necessary parts to complete the conversion were issued so that as M10's came in for overhaul they could be converted to M36's. The problem was the M10's sent back were so worn out from constant use it was decided not to convert them. To fill the need for replacement TD's the M36 conversion kits were instead installed on M4A3's in the motor pool to create the M36B1's.

[@CommanderJoe1984]

Such an informative video as always. I never knew the M10 had such a long and varied design process. I feel the M10 isn’t talked about a lot compared to the M18, M7 Priest, or Easy Eight. It’s nice to learn about it. Those irl sections were cool to see as well. I personally love the Panther disguised as an M10. Great video!

[@Blockio1999]

I really appreciate the fact that this is not just The USA Show, but also goes into use by a lot of other countries

[@dougstubbs9637]

You move more and more onto camera, this becoming a host driven channel. Been a long evolution. You, Cone, are among the most prestigious in this Utube space. Well done. You deserve and have gained bulk respect. Cheers.

[@WyanoPenna]

13:50, my great grandfather was a Wolverine driver with the 899th, he fought from North Africa to Germany, his unit won a Presidential Unit Citation in Normandy, destroying 6 Panthers in one day while protecting an element of the 4th ID

[@andrewdopple6946]

sure

[@WyanoPenna]

@@andrewdopple6946 it's true. tankdestroyer.net/images/stories/ArticlePDFs2/899th-AAR_for_July_11_1944-1.pdf

[@rixithyellas0621]

This is my all time favorite tank, the affectionately nicknamed Wolverine is such an amazing creation and even looks equally as badass as it was operating. Thanks for uploading a video on this gem of a vehicle

[@pencilpauli9442]

Curate would have made sense since the nomenclature of SPGs in British Army was of various offices within the ranks of the clergy: Priest, Sextant, and Bishop. May have been dropped as the names of tanks began with the letter "C", though that only seems to apply to British designed tanks. US tanks were named after US generals of the Civil War. So who knows! lol

[@robertlabaw2037]

Wow! Thank You for mentioning the unit my father saw action with in Italy. The 3rd platoon of the the 3133 Signal Corps, Special - the "Blue Devils" sound deception unit.

[@macdaniel6029]

19:25 M10 Panther is such a fitting name regarding the Ersatz M10

[@TheLadderman]

Wow, I didn't know those bolts were actually meant for applique armor, that's really interesting.

[@diooverheaven6561]

Hmmm this video coming out on 11.11 is kinda funny as it's Polish indipendence day. I find it funny because one most well known modern Polish armored vehicles is KTO Rosomak and Rosomak is polish word for Wolverine

[@Jarms48]

It’s armistice day/remembrance day for much of the English speaking world.

[@diooverheaven6561]

@Jarms48 i know but i just find it funny that he made video about wolverine at that day

[@billballbuster7186]

The 3"GMC M10 was an outstanding vehicle in 1942 when its gun was on a par with the German 7.5cm KwK.40. In late 1943 the M-10 was provided to the British who used in in the defensive role as a mobile anti-tank gun. The British converted 1,150 to the 17 Pounder S.P. M10 MkIIc, also known as the Achilles MkIIc. Most served in NW Europe were they inflicted huge losses on the German tanks, causing them to stop attacking and go on the defensive for the remainder of the campaign.

[@selfdo]

While both the M10 Wolverine and the Limey version that employed the 17-pounder, Achilles, were potent TDs, I'd like to see the figures to back up the assertion of high number of Panzer kills. Germans infrequently using their armor to attack in NW Europe, 1944-1945, had more to do with lack of panzers, fuel for what they did have, and the "dreaded Jabos".

[@billballbuster7186]

@@selfdo The most documented instance of the M10 in action was at Buron 8 June 1944. Two 17Pdr SP M10 MkIIc of the 62nd Anti-Tank Regiment, 1st (British) Corps, in support of the Canadian 3rd Infantry Division. Destroyed15 PzIV and Panthers of Panzer Regiment 12, 12th SS Panzer Division. The 12th SS were forced to withdraw and abandon the battle. It was mentioned in records they had decided against further frontal attacks against the British. Sgt Brown the commander of one of the M10s was credited with 11 kills and awarded the Military Medel.

[@coachhannah2403]

@@billballbuster7186- "frontal attacks"

[@ThommyofThenn]

Great to see you on location. Bet that was a lot of fun

[@NestoriWasTaken]

Fuck, that patch is so alluring.

[@thebguywhoplaysroblox]

Sold out so fast too.

[@corneliusmcmuffin3256]

The M10 was simply called a “TD” by the troops since they didn’t have any other tank destroyers. The British actually called it the Wolverine to distinguish it from other tank destroyers including the Achilles, which was based on the same hull.

[@ConeOfArc]

Haven't seen any evidence of the British calling them "Wolverines". One document hints at an animal name but doesn't specify one for the M10 and it isn't referenced in any of the documents I've seen

[@josephahner3031]

​@@ConeOfArc nobody seems able to chase this one down. The best theory I heard is that postwar historians, journalists, or a modeling company knew about the M18 Hellcat and decided the M10 needed a cool nickname as well.

[@markolysynchuk5264]

Americans had M18 Hellcats around the same time

[@NeuKrofta]

M10 was my favorite "tank" as a kid. It always gets overlooked by the m36 and m18

[@sgt_s4und3r54]

If it works, it ain't stupid. M10 crews did their best, and the vehicle did the mission it was asked. Regardless of other opinion it did its job.

[@davidcox3076]

The Patton Museum at Ft. Knox has an M10 on display. Pretty neat place to visit. My son and I hit it and the museum at Ft. Campbell a number of years ago.

[@Actalzy]

Firstly, great video as always. I can't be the only one though that thought every time the loader ducked down after putting the round in with the commanders arse right in his face that the only thing going through his mind was "Please don't fart."

[@MegaMan192]

I knew that I recognized the tanks! I drove a Chaffee at the American heritage museum!

[@Forgetthereality]

I just love how "Helen the Hellcat" sounds like "Hell in the Hellcat"

[@selfdo]

The M10 was a means to use a common chassis and drivetrain (M4 mefium) and get what was, for the time, a "BFG" to counter fairly much anything that the Panzerwaffe could throw at them.

[@arturThe17]

17:51 this is at the italian campaign, where Brazil fought :D

[@nomar5spaulding]

Seriously, anyone who hasn't been to the American Heritage Museum, if you are in the area around Massachusetts, do yourself a favor and go.

[@johtajakansio]

Wow it's modular

[@globalcitizen8321]

Even better than the M-10 would be the M-36 Jackson.

[@ConeOfArc]

M36 is an interesting one as it's essentially just the M10 with a new gun so it's more of an upgrade than a stop-gap. I'll be discussing it further in an upcoming video

[@globalcitizen8321]

@@ConeOfArc Thank you for your insight. Kind regards

[@treyriver5676]

The first tank destroyers made by German were also very light. Panzerjäger I Marder 1 Sd.Kfz. 135 as N.Moran showed the German pre war doctine was very similar to what the US Army ended up making.

[@tacomas9602]

5:58 I need to see more of this

[@JonathanPan-d8u]

Talk about the M36. The, you know, M10 GMC on steroids?

[@ConeOfArc]

I will in a future video

[@kKingKazuma]

My favorite American tank destroyer of all time! Thanks for finally covering it Cone!

[@thebighurt2495]

If you think about it, this vehicle does have some value. If, instead of intending them for the "Rapid Response" role, you deliberately intend them as an SPG/Assault Gun, they make a lot of sense. They provide a tank-like support role for Infantry while freeing up your regular tanks to be concentrated into Armor Divisions for your big pushes.

[@gr8990]

Loved the video, and can't wait for one on the M36.

[@michalsniadala1667]

i love the m36 personaly its one of my favorite tanks

[@piggyharris7988]

I’m lucky enough to be 40 minutes from that museum, went there for my 21st birthday this year

[@od1452]

No expert here but I have read the M10 was preferred over the M18 by a number of TD units.... I think one reason was it was roomier in the turret. Thanks. I hope we can discuss other lesser known AFVs.

[@ConeOfArc]

When the M18 was initially entering service crews were somewhat hesitant towards it likely due to the thinner armor. I discuss that a bit in my Hellcat video

[@BELUGAHISTORY999]

I loved the American heritage museum, I would go again any chance I could get

[@leon91474]

One was used in the Croatian homeland war in the 90s, and it can be seen in the museum in Karlovac

[@LastGoatKnight]

My opinion on the M10 is similar to the M8, which is aiming is an issue but once you get the hang of it it becomes fun, especially in video games. I still remember the time I played War thunder with my friend and I shot with the M8 a HEAT shell 800-900 meters to a target and I watched as the shell arced in and hit the enemy right into the commander and the ammo rack mounted into the back of the turret😂 (the game still counted it as overpressure though but I saw in the hitcam how the copper plasma goes into said area)

[@balljointedmercenary]

"I have partnered with Ahoworks" really caught me off guard there

[@alexshaw0704]

My favourite American tank I don’t know what draws me to TDs so much other other tanks but outside of the StuG and Hetzer they really don’t get a lot of love and attention they deserve

[@darkmatteranimatoin1797]

3:39 it looks so much like the m7 priest lol

[@darkroom0716]

Very cool video. The sort of stuff I loved to watch on History Channel as a kid lives on here at youtube.

[@coiler3927]

I like to think of it as a light self proppeled arty (how many of those w/full turrets were in WW2) that has the added bonus of it's direct fire AT capability

[@wayhip]

so the M10 tank destroyer began to put into a SP armillary role while the Stug III began as mobile support artillery which became tank destroyers. so they both filled the same niche.

[@xt6wagon]

The problem is it steals a m4 from you. I think this the real reason for the short production run. Use the components and factory time for the more universal vehicle. Now if it started with the 90mm or could fire indirect maybe. Imagine TD support as arty till they are needed as TD. Then they run off and do that.

[@bluntcabbage6042]

M10s saw a lot of use as indirect fire artillery platforms during the war, so much so that the optics were equipped with azimuths and such to enable better indirect fire. There are images online of M10s surrounded by used shell casings from indirect fire roles

[@LittleNala]

Over 20 years ago, playing battlefield 1942, the M10 was the first vehicle I'd rush to get! Every time I tried the Tiger, the reload and traversal time was so long it was no fun to use. Better something a bit nippy - rush around the battlefield causing chaos!

[@ItssVrxforEternity]

Wait a minute, at 8:38 you said the turret allowed for interchangeably with the 105mm Howitzer, where did you get this source? I couldn't for the life of me find anything about this being done aside from Chinese forces with captured Japanese guns and unconfirmed reports of Taiwan with an (american?) 105mm Howitzer, both of which were post war. Any info would be appreciated.

[@ConeOfArc]

I'm not aware of any cases of it being done just that it had the capability to do so

[@ItssVrxforEternity]

@ConeOfArc thanks alot man, that's what I figured. Keep up the good work!

[@thebravegallade731]

probably the best TD actually built considering everything... though it really should have had a proper roof and hatch. this platform was used untill 2001 in Taiwan in the ROC army due to them having upgraded M36's with 90mm heat rounds.

[@bluntcabbage6042]

The lack of a roof had many benefits that perfectly suited a fast skirmisher meant to outmaneuver enemy elements in the field. IRL the problems came from when open topped TDs were thrown into urban combat. This is decidedly _not_ how American TDs were meant to be used and this was known from the day they were introduced.

[@tinkertalksguns7289]

The proof, as they say, is in the pudding. While flawed they were useful and for the most part effective.

[@CharlesAhner]

IIRC, 'Wolverine' was the nickname given to the Canadian M10s. (Hence no American sources...)

[@yoface2537]

16:00 I christen thee the party tank

[@amptechron]

Ive always thought the M10 had a cool profile with the counterweight....

[@jasonz7788]

Thanks 👍

[@assuredaviation9116]

I’d love to see more videos on WW2 British tanks. All you really see is the Churchills, M4 Firefly’s or rarely the Mk.1 Centurion MBT (yes, it’s WW2 but missed the European theatre)

[@alonespirit9923]

M10 is my brother's favorite and M36 is may favorite of the US Army TDs. Back in the 70s and/or 80s we each had a couple of Tamiya's 1/35 scale models of them, and at that date Tamiya still had a lot of their tanks with battery motors. Totally prototypical instant weathering when running them through shallow mud puddles. 😄 Later I added the crudely articulated bogies from a Testors-Italeri M4A1 to one of my Tamiya M36, loved watching the suspension move as the model ran on that two C cell powered motor. My brother wired in a couple AAA batteries to make one of his M10 faster. We had a lot of fun painting the crew figures, making an additional figure or two, and referring to photographs for inspiration in adding external stowage. We also used them a lot in freelance scenarios for Avalon Hill's Squad Leader game. 😎 While looks don't matter the most in those vehicles' environment, I do find the two to be quite attractive designs with nice lines.

[@StephenBaird-cp1fc]

It was fantastic

[@brennanleadbetter9708]

The M36 is what happens when you give the M10 steroids.

[@darren689]

4 degrees of turret traverse 😬 the amount of times I have died because of it in War Thunder is insane

[@rgriffinRETIRED_SHEEPDOG]

Great channel!

[@JimIAmDaniels]

The Americans didn't want to know the British 17 pounder they had the 76 mm and the 90 mm, but both were not outstanding

[@CaptainBrimer]

Our group, WW2ARMOR, have a few different GMCs

[@paulkendall6069]

M10 did a job that needed doing at the time kill axis tanks, the real problems came from The Army commanders not agreeing what they wanted or how it was to be used, slightly understandable as before WW2 tanks had been slow poorly armed hit&Mis weapons. This ment designers&manufacturers had mixed messages of was needed, then politicians worrying about costs, result delays in brave fighting men slowly getting things they could use and ultimately needed. So in a way It was a miracle it got built at all and a Testament to the fighting men that found ways to use them efectivly and minimise there potential faults.

[@onomatopoeia7505]

There are so many grammatical, spelling and punctuation errors in your post I'm amazed they let you have a smartphone. Too bad there's no IQ test before you're allowed on the internet.

[@Ghostmaxi1337]

While i am through and through german. I have to admit, the M10 looks nice.

[@thebighurt2495]

One can fully admit somebody else's tanks are neat without needing to disregard their own. They are not mutually exclusive.

[@SL4PSH0CK]

Just in time for a rebirh seein the new M10

[@slobodanmitic1354]

Just a simple note: both cast and rolled steel can be welded.

[@kronieno.2757]

I have a lot fun with M10 in games.

[@oddball_the_blue]

The best vehicle sometimes is the vehicle you have right now.

[@ronaldharris6569]

Bob semple tank patches would be awesome 😂

[@TheDeputy173]

Could you please do a video about the Japanese tanks used on the frontline? If there's already a video about it I apologise, I'm quite new 😅

[@RoyLoveday]

Some times you have to go with what you have. It was the right thing at the time. But the Hellcat was sweet.

[@GarGhuul]

Nice to see you Cone! And I have to admit “Gun Motor Carriage” sounds awfully British to me.

[@pyeitme508]

Yes, next M10 Booker

[@axistempest2860]

Oh shit I didn’t realize that there was a tank museum here in Mass I know where I am going this weekend

[@aldenconsolver3428]

M10 A reasonable temporary vehicle. Not perfect, but it moved well, in general its main gun could deal with the majority of German tanks and it was pretty reliable (just like the tank it was built from).

[@Damian-03x3]

M10 is definitely one of the best looking WW2 armored vehicles.

[@LazuliteLol]

the gun mantlet is pretty ugly imo

[@Damian-03x3]

@@LazuliteLol The ugly part is the round transmission cover imo.

[@johnecklund8556]

Wow so cool what do you do with it now?

[@papyrusspaghetti9376]

This guy and the M36 are two of my favorite vehicles on War Thunder. The M36 pairs well with the M18, Jumbo, etc. and is fun to play, but I somehow am better with the M10. For whatever reason, I find myself scoring over 7 kills reliably while using it at 4.0 or even 4.7 paired with the T14, far more than I can score with the rest of the vehicles, such as the M4A2, M42, or Calliope, despite it being g rated for 3.3.

[@AikoMitsuki]

Why Does The Tiger 1 At 15:37 Look Like It Has A Different Gun?

[@kanadiankid2591]

Idk I did some image searching and looks like it is Tiger tank 221 but in modern day pictures it looks like it has a normal gun

[@EngineerJohn883]

M-10 is my favorite tank to use in WarThunder, great gun, good armor and good speed. It also just looks awesome Edit: M3 GMC is also my 2nd favorite lol because it’s literally a truck with a 76 gun lmao

[@Beatles__]

my favorite tank is the m26 Sherman

[@MisterOcclusion]

My opinion isn't nuanced, but it does seem to be at home with it's German contemporaies that were also thinly armoured about the gun. Before the purpose built jagdpanzers came into being.

[@godzillaandtanks7541]

I like the M10

[@masudashizue777]

It's surprising that such a thing as the ersatz M10 actually existed.

[@pentadeuce1086]

What museum were you at? It looks like the one in Wyoming.

[@ConeOfArc]

Link is in the description to the museum

[@pentadeuce1086]

@@ConeOfArc Thank you.

[@fooman2108]

The footage in Eurpe of TD in Europe (probably France?) Is that civian carrying a TROMBONE? Interesting...

[@PhilTheTucan]

Since when was there a m3 gmc at the American Heritage Musem?

[@tannertaylor9432]

I'm pretty sure Tamiya was responsible for the "Wolverine" name

[@DeepSpaceIndustriesLOL]

I'm surprised they didn't make the counterweights additional armour on the back of the turret, I know its relatively useless tho

[@ConeOfArc]

They would act as armor to some degree since they're big chunks of metal

[@user-ns4zm8qe9p]

It pretty much functions the same way. Hunk of metal is still hunk of metal even if it’s not called armour

[@Necoy666]

Wouldnt it just shot trap the shot into the hull?

[@ConeOfArc]

@@Necoy666 if you're getting shot in the back of the turret I think a shot trap is probably the least of your problems

[@lewcrowley3710]

Much mention of the M10s providing indirect fire. But, the actual projectile, used also in the 76mm US Weapons, was vastly inferior to the M4 'sherman' 75mm. And lacking MGs, it would be a very poor assault weapon for infantry support.

[@omarrp14]

14:26 what if he farts

[@melony1685]

American tanks: oh no I only have 5 degrees of gundepression 😢😢 Russian Tanks: you get gundepression??? 😂😂

[@zillsburyy1]

13:56 american heritage museum?

[@adirondacker007]

Yes. On a side note, though it may be old news at this point, AHM's M-36 was fitted with a functioning (blanks-only) breechblock and 75mm chamber liner by the wizards in the tank shop. The gun made its debut in The Battle for the Airfield in October. It sounds wonderful.

[@zillsburyy1]

@@adirondacker007 when they have the barn and hanger open one a year, thats very very nice to see it all.

[@adirondacker007]

@@zillsburyy1 they actually open on monthly event weekends from May through October.

[@TheLoyalOfficer]

Guderian would have designed the M10 if he could. I wonder what he thought about it in the war?

[@ConeOfArc]

The Germans in a way already had an M10 with the Stug III or Jagdpanzer IVs. Adding a turret definitely improves effectiveness however Germany already had tanks armed with guns equivalent to the 3-Inch and going larger would result in a larger, heavier vehicle most likely

[@Ghostmaxi1337]

​@@ConeOfArcWell there was development and limited production AND doctrin for fast turret German TD (as well as the thought of either armor and fixed gun or speed and turret) Beeing the Pz.Sfl.II 7,5 cm K.L/41 Which would also be a nice video.

[@TheLoyalOfficer]

@@ConeOfArc Do you know if General Guderian ever commented on the M10? I read his book, and he prioritized speed as first, gun as second, and armor as third. Naturally, that's not how things worked out for German AFVs overall, but my point is that the M10 seems to be exactly what Guderian wanted - just designed and fielded by the enemy...

[@nanab256]

Like this tank-easy frag. Just one hit with HE, no matter where(end of the barrel or track works) and one hit kill all the crew.

[@stephenandersen4625]

At a time when “drawings” were actually hand drawn drawings … how these proposals and revisions were made and finalized in time to start actual production

[@greaterglider]

Nice video