2020 Commencal Meta AM 29 Vs YT Capra Pro 29 | Compare and Contrast

[@niklasdr]

Man, your description of the YT Capra is exactly how I would describe it. But I’ve never heard anybody do it this good 👊

[@MILTONATOR]

Thanks man! Appreciate you taking the time to leave this comment 🙏

[@niklasdr]

I had both a Capra 29 CF PRO 2018 and a Jeffsy 29 CF PRO RACE 2019. The Jeffsy I saw as my race bike and the Capra as my freeride and confidence booster for sending stuff. For me at 5’10 / 178 cm on size Large bikes, the reach is good (Capra 465 & Jeffsy 470); could be shorter (450) for more playfulness but is long enough for stability sending it at a little speed. To come down, I did change the Jeffsy stem from 50 to 33 mm; the Capra came with a 40 mm. I recently sold my Capra to a friend getting into mountain biking. My progression is getting into more super steep but not so fast technical sends where I see my Capra replaced by a similar bike that just has the extra outspoken ability from the manufacturer to be ridden as a 79er / mullet / mixer (with warranty and better support for bb height). I don’t know if there will ever be a bike that can perform as both a freeride bike (here, the Capra) and as an enduro race bike (here the Meta / for me the Jeffsy). 🤷‍♂️ Until then, I think there will always be bikes on either end of this spectrum - or somewhere in the middle. So, MILTONATOR, thank you for clearing up the difference between a freeride and a race bike for a lot of people, here also using the perfect example, YT Capra!

[@MILTONATOR]

It's not a matter of which bike is better... it's a matter of which bike is better for ME, for YOU, for the TRAILS we ride and the TYPE OF RIDING we're into.

[@tannergietzen9539]

I have a 2020 Capra comp and I love it because it’s a dh bike that can pedal up a hill

[@emdubmtb]

Spot on with your input on the Capra. Although it comes down great, the negative things you mentioned like it’s climbing ability and dropping into the travel too much on power strokes is why I got rid of mine. Cool vid!

[@MILTONATOR]

Thanks man! That squish going down is so good. Until it’s time to climb 😅🤘

[@jordidiego3391]

My previous bike was a YT jeffsy which I was in love, but I changed it for a Commençal MetaPower 29race 2019 which I love, both bikes rides very well but I have to give also a better overall score to YT, and it's because the postsales service and also the attention the have put to details like the frame bearings, both frame are alumminum but YT has metal spaces with a rubber o-ring to give a proper seal and all the whole frame finish was better than the Metapower (paintjob is really bad, paint peels off easily even with small impacts.

[@wheelman8637]

Yes! The comparison video I've been waiting for. You stated it perfectly in your summation, not saying which bike is a better bike, just better for riding style, trails, and wants. For me, you sold me on the Commencal. Many more pluses for that bike😉

[@MILTONATOR]

Thanks! Both awesome brands and awesome bikes. 🤜🤛

[@awesumpossumm]

i love both my 2017 commencal meta tr and 2018 capra. different attitude for different trail.Commencal is better in attacking trail,capra decending

[@MILTONATOR]

norazizee ibrahim Agree! Capra is king on descents🤙

[@thomasmrozovich7631]

Great video. I picked up a 27.5 Jeffsy a bit ago, and I want to add a 29 Enduro style to the lineup. Love your take on this comparison.

[@MILTONATOR]

Thanks man. Congrats on the Jeffsy! That was my first pick but couldn’t deal with the long wait.

[@HeidiFegles]

Think about the 170 Capra from a different view point. I am 6-3 so this bike proportionally is like a 150mm bike for a 5-8 person and a 120mm bike for a 5-2 person. So for me being a 6-3 pole vaulter the 170mm feels perfect and balanced and fit for us tall folks.

[@ervincornavaca9575]

Man, another awesome video!!! You have the ability to keep it real, no BS, and very sincere - but more importantly, you’re having fun - keep it up - y que Dios te siga bendiciendo - God bless you bruh.

[@MILTONATOR]

Gracias Ervin! Always grateful for the support 🤙🙏

[@HeidiFegles]

Actually pink bike proved that the efficiency of yt was one of the better ones out there, enduro speaking, the commencal was 5seconds slower at 300w and the translation spire was 1 second faster than the yt.

[@rudySTi]

Both are pressfit and therefore garbage if you live where it rains. Can't change the bearing housing without roughing up the BB bracket. 4 swaps and they creek by default.

[@mrpercussive]

Hahaha! I spy some Demo footage! :P

[@MILTONATOR]

Snuck it in there 😂 Through the week I’ll work on the main video.

[@HeidiFegles]

How is it not a race bike. I don’t experience hardly any pedal bob and the ability to pedal through rough trail is nice.

[@piotrstejskal2134]

Hi there. Did you fell a difference between Lyrik Ultimate & Lyrik Select+? Is that noticeable or just a trifle? Cheers!

[@MILTONATOR]

The only difference between The two is that the Ultimate has independent high speed and low speed compression adjustment whereas the Select+ only has one dial for “compression”. I only ever use 1 click of low and 0 clicks of high, so I’m perfectly OK with the Select+

[@AdamMock]

Great breakdown of both bikes! And nice work on that skinny! ✌🏼🤟🏼

[@MILTONATOR]

Thanks Adam....and that was just the back half 😁🤘

[@Tyyler1507]

Looking at getting a 2021 Meta or a Capra, so this was helpful. From what I understand, the new Meta is quite different but still geared toward sending the descents, so I guess this video still applies to a degree. Thanks for the video!

[@MILTONATOR]

Oh for sure! The new Metas look fast and that steeper seat tube angle will make it a good climber as well

[@ChuchoMoncho]

Excellent video, I was waiting for this comparison and the result was as I expected. Now with the new Meta 29 2021 things change a little, but your five comparison points I think will remain the same. Thank you very much! 👍

[@MILTONATOR]

Glad to know you found the video useful! I would suggest closely examining both the 2021 Meta AM and the TR. seems to me the TR moved into the old slot of the AM and the AM moved closer to the DH side/enduro race.

[@cwalt74]

did you fill the rear shock of the capra with volume spacers? usually holds the bike up a bit more in the travel

[@MILTONATOR]

I didn’t. Spacers, from my understanding help at the end of the stroke; prevent bottoming out. But I will give it a try soon and see if it make a difference

[@edgarm2036]

Great video dude, I just ordered my YT capra shred 2021 with coil shock, though im still a bit hesitant because I pedal up the mountain with the bike so Im not sure if the weight and what you mentioned about the pedaling being inefficient I need to get fitter, I live in an alpine region so I still think the capra was the right choice.

[@MILTONATOR]

That’s awesome man! Congrats on the Shred. Thanks!

[@mtbrwannabe5484]

Great video mate. In the next year or so , I will be upgrading to a full sus bike. You firmly put those two on the top of the list with a riders review like that , outstanding job mate 🤘

[@MILTONATOR]

That’s awesome! Glad to hear you found it useful 😁🤘

[@jonahlost7247]

Thank you! This was the perfect review since I am on the exact same page having enjoyed my Meta AM and now think about the Capra or maybe the 2021 Meta Ohlins edition. By the way, a tweek I made to my 27.5 Meta that could be worth considering is a 190mm 29 fork, 35mm stem and converting it to 27.5+. It is now more slack, plush but still even more efficient both climbing and descending, for me that is. Cheers!

[@MILTONATOR]

Thanks Jonah! The 2021 Meta geo threw me for a loop 😅 Crazy numbers. Hopefully I get a chance to ride one soon. A 190mm? Oh man, that’s big sends travel right there 😁

[@jonahlost7247]

@@MILTONATOR what I use is a Rockshox Yari 190mm and you are right about 190mm being overkill regarding travel. However it gives a nice slack angle that works

[@nxticed]

Have you changed anything on either of the bikes?

[@MILTONATOR]

Grips and stem pretty much.

[@bentyler5704]

that was a good video man, going to go with the commencal now, faster up faster down.

[@MILTONATOR]

GRGV Thanks man! Glad you found it useful. Both bikes rip 🤘

[@michaelmoreno4167]

Awesome video, with your info I'm still deciding on the YT capra or the specialized enduro just waiting to see what both have for 2021.

[@MILTONATOR]

Thanks man! Stoked for you for whichever bike you decide to get 🤘

[@michaelmoreno4167]

@@MILTONATOR dude your honest comparison of the 2 bikes was perfect! Stay safe bro!

[@evank875]

Which one’s a better jumper for the bike park?

[@MILTONATOR]

I have to give it to the Capra. The whole experience from take off to landing is so smooth and plush. It’s awesome

[@mtb.twins1]

Can you please do the same video in the future with the new meta am 29 and the Capra? 🙏🏽 Great Video🔥💯👏🏼

[@MILTONATOR]

Absolutely! Thank you 🤘

[@niklasdr]

...and the new Capra, whenever it it is released (2021/2022) and whatever it turns out to be!!

[@mrpercussive]

Yea don't think you'll ever see a carbon Commencal... Max was pretty against it for ethical reasons on manufacturing

[@MILTONATOR]

Wishful thinking, I know. Seems like something’s gonna have to give tho. The 2021’s went up in weight, again. Or maybe it’s just me 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@mrpercussive]

@@MILTONATOR Yea we'll see. I know he was pretty vocal about it too about why he'll never do carbon and how his bikes are not specced with carbon stuff either for the most part. That said, I think Commencal 100% was running some carbon stuff for a bit last year maybe? I'm not a 100% sure on that one... no pun intended... Haha

[@mrpercussive]

i take that back... looks like they started spec'ing carbon in 2020

[@wheelman8637]

Never say never. Dave Turner said he'd never build a bike with 29" wheels.

[@mrpercussive]

@@wheelman8637 truth!

[@iliyadavoodipour258]

I didnt hear anything good about the frame quality and customer service from yt. The yt is carbon, but the meta is has a very high quality alloy frame.

[@urg0nnah8me]

Greer is a great place to test a bikes abilities. Lots of variety, you have to climb to descend. Definitely not where I'd take a more DH oriented bike. Meta would win for me, as well.

[@themiddleagemasher8108]

What’s the officially weight on the YT? I got the Ripmo AF specifically because I am anti carbon. If that makes sense

[@Dempsey222]

With the Commencal Meta which one did you like better? The 27.5 or the 29er?

[@MILTONATOR]

The 27.5 was super agile and snappier around the corners and easier to jump with. The 29er grew longer and slightly heavier which made it more capable on the descents (faster) but took more effort to maneuver and jump with. Liked them both 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Dempsey222]

@@MILTONATOR I had the same exact opinion about both bikes. I just switched to a 29er but I liked 27.5 better because it was easier to turn and whip around. I will stick with this 29er for a bit longer but next bike will be a 27.5. I am 6 foot 4 and still like the 27.5 better.

[@KelMTB]

Waiting for your review on the 2021 MetaAM29 ... and hopefully 2021 Clash as well ... planning on getting either one soon. and just wondering ... can I convert the Clash into a Mullet??

[@MILTONATOR]

I wish I could throw down some laps on the 2021 Meta AM. They’re sold out and pretty hard to come by. I’m sure you could mullet the Clash, drop down from 180 fork to 170 and run a 29” wheel.

[@nafsucof]

awesome comparison!!

[@MILTONATOR]

Thanks 🤜🤛

[@adambates6541]

Duuuude! Excellent review. Down to Earth, real, and relatable. I've seen many reviews about the Capra's inability to climb, but as I'm looking at buying one for a mostly downhill machine it was great to hear it's both plush and playful as a 29er. I already have a trail bike for all day rides, but want something to hit the parks and gnarlier trails. Cheers for this video! 🤜🤛

[@MILTONATOR]

Thanks man. Capra continues to be, in my opinion, the best gravity oriented bike. If I was in your shoes (having a trail bike) I would have a Capra myself.

[@hunterdempsey6017]

Hey mate just wanted to say this is a really good video. I love how you described both of the bikes. I never comment on people videos but l loved that you have done this!!

[@MILTONATOR]

Thanks! Appreciate the feedback

[@adampasson4347]

Cool video man! Have you rode Commencal's Clash? I can't make up my mind between Meta and Clash - maybe you can advise on this?

[@MILTONATOR]

Thanks man! I have not ridden the Clash. I've not been attracted to it because it's more of freeride/bike park bike and even though the Meta AM is big travel also, it's a better fit for all mountain riding (climbs and descents). Also keep in mind that the popularity (or lack of) of the bike will determine resell value and resell time frame.

[@andrewgreenwood8727]

Have you tried these 2 bikes ; Transition sentinel V2 & The Forbidden Druid awesome !!!!! 🤙☀️😃

[@MILTONATOR]

I haven’t. Yet! Hopefully in the near future 🤙

[@drkhorse117]

loved everything about this video. From the way the content was presented and explained to the music, well done sir, subbed.

[@MILTONATOR]

Thank you! 🙏

[@dinunclv]

I want to buy my first full suspension mtb next season and I have been thinking about the Capra. I plan to start riding more aggressively and I also want to go to bike parks occasionally (I have no bike parks nearby, so this will not happen too often, but I wanna have fun). I also had a spine trauma in the past and think that a little more cushion would be good. My concern is that I also want to do a lot of long bike trips with some friends who are not into enduro and I enjoy long rides in the country side and since I do not want to spend lots of money on 2 bikes, the bike I get must also be able to handle this. If the Capra is a pain to ride for some long hours it is not the bike for me. So what do you think should I get it or settle for Jeffsy?

[@MILTONATOR]

dinunclv I haven’t ridden the Jeffsy but if I could go back in time I would buy the Jeffsy over the Capra.

[@chrs1212]

I was literally comparing these two bikes a few hours ago, then I stumble upon your video! So cool, thanks for the great comparison

[@MILTONATOR]

The internet can read our minds, bro! 😂🤘

[@jcmymtb1258]

Years ago I recommended you go with Commencal, Im not saying you did it for me, but I am glad seeing you still love that brand. God bless

[@MILTONATOR]

Heck yeah! I got nothing but fun memories on my Metas 🤘 Can’t say that I remember, but thanks for the recommendation either way 😁

[@jcmymtb1258]

MILTONATOR I do remember!!! Was in the Video of you driving to Tijuana! Lol. Take good care Milton,be safe!!!

[@AreebH_04]

I’ve never clicked so fast I’m looking into buying a commencal meta frame to replace my voodoo one in a year or two 🤙🏾 can’t wait after seeing your previous videos about the meta and how capable the bike is

[@MILTONATOR]

You won’t be disappointed 🤙

[@underdog6169]

Commencal frames BREAK so easily and then you have NO WARRANTY COVERAGE ,stay away from this brand

[@mtbohana]

Man the new 2021 Commencal Meta AM is sick. One thing to mention about the new Meta's headtube angle, Yes, it's slack, but it has the new 44mm offset fork compared to last years 51mm. That will help with the slacker headtube angle. I'm more than likely going to get the new Meta AM to replace my 2018 Meta AM. If I do, I will hit you up so you can take it for a rip.

[@MILTONATOR]

Dude! Let’s do it bro. I’d love to give it a go. 🤘

[@mtbohana]

@@MILTONATOR Looks like my new Meta is showing up in December.

[@MILTONATOR]

MTB Ohana December can’t get here fast enough! 🤘 it’s gonna be worth the wait.

[@xavierrusso5845]

Which is the better bikes, the new 2021 commencal clash essential or the yt Capra shred, having a hard time deciding which one to get

[@MILTONATOR]

Oh man! Again, I think It comes down to which one is better for you, for your type of riding and trails you ride. Looking over geometry I think the Clash will climb better and with it’s slacker head tube, it may also descend better on the straight-down-plows. But the Capra Shred looks to be more agile (I’m imagining based on geo). Good luck, because in terms of value, both builds are about the same.

[@RyanDavid-gu8et]

Dude I would go shred if it doing bike parks like whistler or sun shit that bike looks like it would be shit for climbing bcs of the coil and 180 front/rear. If ur doing huge jumps like 40 plus jumps get shred he doing trail riding or some dh get meta but overall the shred looks more aggressive😀

[@westsidemtb3210]

Excellent video bro! Glad to see that you love your bike!🤙🏾

[@MILTONATOR]

Thanks man! In the end that’s all that matters- ride what you got, love what you got.

[@estebansantacruzsilva7644]

Have you consider trying the Jeffsy? I've been considering changing from my meta am 29 to jeffsy pro race 29 due to a more agile and fun trail bike, but it worries me about travel in the back I guess it's 140 mm

[@MILTONATOR]

Yes, I have. I was actually going to buy the Jeffsy but the wait was too long and decided on the Capra instead. I might still try the Jeffsy later.

[@estebansantacruzsilva7644]

@@MILTONATOR Thanks mate, yes, actual inventories of YT in the US are down to 0, let's hope they get back soon the store filled. By the way, good video, total sense!

[@MILTONATOR]

Esteban Santacruz Thanks man! 🤘

[@logankurtz1933]

Maeta AM

[@cavitand9]

The value of YT drops for ppl live in NorCal

[@cavitand9]

kid table it’s because we have to pay shipping and tax. YT still has great value but not as great as for ppl in other areas. Commencal can save you tax

[@newbiemtb6741]

Awesome video, once again. 5 Things...I love it! 😂

[@MILTONATOR]

Don won’t leave my brain 😂

[@talkopit9926]

Is the YT weight does not have any effect compared to commencal when climbing?

[@MILTONATOR]

The light weight of the bike is not enough to enable it to climb efficiently in the open position (in my opinion)

[@talkopit9926]

@@MILTONATOR Thanks a lot man! I am just about to getting the same model from YT and your content realy helped me, appreciated, great job! cant wait to find out the feeling by myself.

[@MILTONATOR]

Awesome! Congratulations. Good times await 😀🤘

[@John-qc1zv]

Good video, I like both bikes. I would like you compare the Capra with the 2021 Commencal. What do you think just by looking at the specs of the 2021 Meta Am and Tr ?

[@MILTONATOR]

Oh man, the 2021 Meta AM is on a whole new level with that geometry. A plowing machine that’ll break speed records on the straights and steeps. I’m not sure who well it will handle the turns and switchbacks, might me sluggish. I doubt that it will be as plush as the Capra though. Can’t wait

[@John-qc1zv]

​@@MILTONATOR You are right, the AM seem very long, does not look fun to maneuver in turns but look awesome in straight line. I'm not a racer, or not yet. I'm thinking to buy the TR 2021 instead, seem very well balance bike, maybe try both ?

[@MILTONATOR]

@@John-qc1zv The TR looks spot on 👌🏼 If I were to buy one of the two, I would buy the TR for sure. I’m afraid that if I demo it I’m gonna wanna buy it 🙈

[@John-qc1zv]

@@MILTONATOR The other one that looks great for the money is the Giant Trance X 29 2. Awesome components for the price but not sure how they ride.

[@MILTONATOR]

@@John-qc1zv yea me neither 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@jackbauer562]

GOD bless

[@MILTONATOR]

Always! 🙏

[@moelarthur1412]

It's pronounced as "commensal metta" 🙂

[@MILTONATOR]

I can never get it right! 🤦‍♂️

[@moelarthur1412]

Haha 😅, good comparison though! Personally I prefer the Commencal. However my loyalty is with the NUKEPROOF MEGA, absolute bomb proof bike!

[@MILTONATOR]

Moel Arthur141 So many amazing bikes out there 🤘