M2C Racing Pillowball Retainer Full Install Arrma 6s 8s & New Tool

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M2C Racing Pillowball Retainer Full Install Arrma 6s 8s & New Tool
Awesome Upgrade here from M2C Racing for your Arrma 6s or 8s trucks. These Pillowball Retainer lock in and don't back out by design from M2C Racing.
Plus M2C's new install tool that works on 6s and 8s REALLY helps you get the feeling for installing these so you don't accidentally crossthread them and strip the hub!! There is NOTHING like this out there!
Just fantastic work here from Mitch and the M2C Racing team
Parts for this video.
6s Pillow Ball Retainer kit
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8s Pillow Ball Retainer Kit
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Pillow Ball Insertion Wrench
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M2C Upgrade Parts for 8s Kraton and Outcast
Outcast 8s Chassis
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Hinge Pin Blocks
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And
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Steering Bell Crank Kit
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Engine Mount
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Servo Saver Axle
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Motor Mount Front Brace Support
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5mm Tool Steel Shock Shafts
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Delrin 20mm Pistons
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[@CommanderAstigRC]

Great bench video sesh Dennis. Great info and how-to. Well done man. Prop to Mitch for going with 6s pillow ball and insert design for the 8S line. That dual pillow ball driver is just genius! Awesome!!

[@3SonsRC]

So simple and effective the design, don't know why it was changed on the 8s line.... M2C to the rescue! And yes this tool is essential for any Arrma Owner IMHO... Makes its so easy to NOT crossthread these Pillowball Retainers. Thanks for your time and the kind words my friend 👍 Bash on brother Chris

[@redblue40rc33]

ive been calling them hub cap nuts...oh by the way i used the hot racing caps, not to un-beef ya cake there, lol.....but i didnt know yall had these till now...m2c rocks...cheers

[@3SonsRC]

"hub cap nuts".... Thats great, I love it! Rich even tried the HR caps for the 8s trucks, pretty solid kit. Mitch will eventually make a solution that solves several opportunities with the 8s shocks as well. I appreciate your time brother, see ya round

[@surfside75]

About to order hot racing front hubs.. are you happy with those HR caps?

[@bournemouthrc4371]

Another awesome invention, I have stripped a few threads on my 6s. Awesome video buddy

[@3SonsRC]

We all have my man, That's why this tool is so amazing... So simple. And the pillow ball retainers from M2C are just proven! Great work here Bybthe man Mitchell Looper 👌 Thanks for coming by bud! Stay safe

[@MauzyrockRC]

A little late to the rc game, but I just mashed up my stock ones, Going to install the 6s m2c ones. Thanks for the walkthrough!

[@3SonsRC]

Sup buddy, never late, always on time brother. I just got back in it about two years ago as somthi g to do with my three boys.... Now I love it! Glad you got something out of the video, hope your enjoying the channel.... See ya round RC Famo😎👍

[@ddubbs1453]

I just put a small zip tie on the Allan key as a backing plate. Works great. But this tool looks very easy and nice 👍

[@3SonsRC]

Ha, love the hobo mods! That works brother. This tool really gives you a feeling for the threads as you go in, just simply works. Hope you enjoyed the video! Appreciate the comment and support!

[@rafaeltyron9207]

Great video man! Very detailed and informative

[@3SonsRC]

Appreciate that kind support my man Feel free to check other ones w/bashing or Installs.... All for the community Glad you are enjoying the channel See ya round brother

[@islandrc-duke1972]

Great install and information

[@3SonsRC]

Thanks buddy, appreciate the support for sure! These are great, simple, and economic mods that make every Arrma owners life easier. Just trying to get the information out there! Thanks for your time as always

[@clairecooper3848]

Loved the vid , keep ‘em coming . I have my kit in the post , just arrived here in UK at customs 😢 but it’s worth it for the quality

[@3SonsRC]

Sure is, should last ages! Sorry about the whole customs thing. I think if you contact Bad Touch Breakers they will sort ya out!.... They are UK based I believe Rock on!

[@clairecooper3848]

3 Sons RC Yes sure you are right about BadTouchBreakers here in UK ... top fella and I do buy from him a lot .

[@averylooper5534]

Awesome video those parts look incredible. I love it!

[@3SonsRC]

Yeah man, M2C just Killing the Aftermarket Parts Game right now! Sooooo greatful for his support to the basher community! Appreciate your kind words my man.... Stay safe

[@EyesOnRC]

Great video mate, wish m2c would make the chassis for Corally!

[@3SonsRC]

Appreciate that buddy! If there is enough demand for anything I think M2C would consider it. Thanks for your time and support, see ya round

[@crawlingnationrc4233]

Amazing work mate

[@3SonsRC]

Super kind words of support 👍👍

[@philmarshall5768]

Hello. Why do some call the pivot balls, pillow balls? I’ve not seen them referred to pillow balls in any of my manual’s. Thank you.

[@3SonsRC]

Good question, It's literally just what about 50% of dudes out there call them.... Makes no sence because your right... It's not the PROPER name. But try to find Dogbones in your manual as well?? Yet 50% of dudes call there Outdrives/drive-shafts Dogbones instead....myself included. Hope ya enjoyed the video and channel brother, see ya round

[@imserious2187]

If the pillow balls are too tight will that affect how sharp the vehicle turns?

[@3SonsRC]

It can, but your more Likley talking about a Ackerman Plate issue. Check to see if it's bent. They can bend with Hard side impacts. M2C makes a 7075 upgraded one😎👍 Thanks for your time brother and I hope your enjoying the channel See ya round

[@UpcoreFunk]

Will these pilots ball lugs work on Vitacon steering couplers on a Kraton 8s?

[@3SonsRC]

Not sure to be fair brother. I don't have those to test. Are there issues with them backing out on the vitavon hubs? If it's not broke don't fix right? This is a fix to the fact that Arrma stock ones are one piece as the ball has friction to the cup it backs out the whole inner piece. Seperating it into two pieces fixes this. Sorry don't know if you would need these or if they are compatible. Hope your enjoying the channel brother.... See ya round

[@007nubber]

Those droop screws from M2c you use do they fit on the outcast 8s ?

[@3SonsRC]

Great question... Yes they do but you just have to drill out the holes slightly. I think Rich used them, I just use 2 sets of button head 3mm screws per arm, but some use the larger thread ones of the M2C 6s trucks Droop Screws on 8s. I haven't personally tried them.

[@michielpoortvliet3003]

Link for Mojave 6s?

[@DonnieKluck]

So quick question is there 2 or 4 pillar balls on the Kraton 6S? I am only seeing and thinking 2 but since the package came with 4 I was not sure if there was actually 4.

[@3SonsRC]

Four brother

[@DonnieKluck]

@@3SonsRC where are the other two at? I got the two on the front end. But I can't find anything on the rear. So I definitely need to go get my eyes checked cause I literally can't find another 2 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@3SonsRC]

@@DonnieKluck two per hub brother each to the outside of the axel. In the thumbnail you can see two per hob as well. Are you mistaking what a pivot/pillow ball is?

[@DonnieKluck]

@@3SonsRC nope I am just a blind idiot. Literally blind 🤣🤦

[@meanf1502]

Same for the kraton

[@3SonsRC]

Yes these work for the Kraton as well if you were asking. Appreciate your time and support brother and I hope your enjoying the channel.... See ya round

[@meanf1502]

Why is their 6 pieces with the kit for the kraton

[@3SonsRC]

@@meanf1502 should be 4 metal pillow ball retainers and 4 Delrin cups to go over the ball part, far as I know. You order them and that's what you got?

[@meanf1502]

How tight should the retainers be so you don't bind the steering up I heard all the way tight then 1/4 turn out

[@3SonsRC]

@@meanf1502 that sounds about right but I just go by feel, just a tad bit of play in the ball. Appreciate your time brother, See ya round

[@derekquinones8614]

How have the m2c pillow ball retainer nuts been holding up I still have mine unopened I’m waiting for the stock ones to take a crap in my exb before I replace?

[@3SonsRC]

Holding up great brother In fairness the Arrma v4 and after Pillowballs are ok, there just easy to cross thread if you have to take them out at all, so I like the M2C option WITH the tool... The tool really helps prevent Cross Threading

[@derekquinones8614]

@@3SonsRC yeah I’ll probably put mine in shortly along with the M2c out drives I keep hearing about !

[@3SonsRC]

@@derekquinones8614 good choice, Yeah I have all the Outdrives and Drive Cups on three of my 6s rigs, really gets rid of the slop and adds durability. A bit of a job to swap them all over but if your redoing the bearings or swapping the diff fluids it's good to do together👍

[@AnthonyBencomo]

@@3SonsRCI bought the retainers and was about to open the package and saw they look the same as my stock Arrma Kraton 6s EXB V2. Not sure if I’ll replace them. Stock does back out though.

[@donniehallaman7685]

So I went to install a set on my girlfriends notrious, they seemed to thread in fine I did use the tool I bought one, but I still had what I thought was a lot of wobble vertically in my wheel. So of course I tightened them more, but my servo seemed to be struggling. I lossened them till servo seemed happy but now I have a bunch of play in my wheel , is my hub shot or wheel bearings? I didn't have this much play before but did have a ball pop out last week hence my purchase

[@3SonsRC]

Great question, Check for cracks around the ball part of the knuckle.... It's easy to break there if it's popped even once. I usually tighten it all the way till it feels tight and then back it out a tiny bit so there is tiny bit of play in the ball cup area... Just a tiny bit. It that is done on all four cups and the servo is stressing you have other issues, end points of the servo could be set too far, check your Ackerman bar? Could be different things. Good luck. Appreciate your time and support brother, hope to see ya round

[@step415]

Hey bud went to M2c website to buy these but they are out of stock...any idea when they will be back? Thanks bro

[@3SonsRC]

I don't buddy, sorry, I would check every day... Can't imagine it being more than a few days... Mitch is always aware of what's not in Stock and working on getting it replenished

[@furre80]

nice! do they require o-ring as the standard one (at least on 6s)?

[@3SonsRC]

No you don't need an O Ring, the v4 ones have an O Ring that helps hold the pillow ball in a bit, but these stay in by having a wider lip.... Problem with the O Ring is that the come off especially if you are a little off in the thread. So the combination of these Pillowball Retainers and the tool (so you can thread it right every time) is such a simple great system.

[@KaizerTest]

Isn't it called a pillar ball?

[@paulclancy2404]

It all works on the pillar ball ,pillarball cup and pillar ball retainer , its a better material they use, and like he said they won't back out as easily , the outcast 8s arrma uses plastic pillarball retainers " they didnt taper them or anything so this good upgrade why arrma didnt use atleast metal idk 🤔 till i hit up m2racing i used tephlon tape i almost lost one , if you have o8s check em they loosen pretty fast 😉

[@3SonsRC]

Some call them Pillar Balls, some Pillow Balls... Tomato Towmato. I hear ya though Hope y'all found this useful. These are ABSOLUTELY essential on the 8s trucks as there is no seperate nut and cup, so they loose so easily! And better than even the v4 6s Retainers as those can still be threaded wrong too.... Tool is super helpful! Thanks for coming by fellas!

[@paulclancy2404]

@@3SonsRC lol I didnt even catch pillow pillar references duh 🙄 losing it

[@KaizerTest]

@@3SonsRC I called them pillow balls too until recently...hahahaha 🤦‍♂️

[@3SonsRC]

@@KaizerTest well I'm not saying who's right.... But they are called Pillow Balls on M2C's website 😳🤔 But honestly I hear both haha ..... The things that hold them silver ball thingies in there lol

[@saltylocal6917]

Ah, shouldn’t the tool be included with the purchase of the retainer sets? I like M2C parts BUT their extremely expensive and their must buy this to have this is ridiculous! Money mongers! Gotta pay for them CNC machines somehow. FYI…Hot Racing has very similar parts and just as durable for less.

[@3SonsRC]

Really appreciate your time and comment brother. If the tool was included it would drive the cost up too high on a cheap part. It's definitely not a MUST BUY, as you can still use a standard hex, the tool just aids in stopping cross threading. It's all cost labor and some profit, remember they are making small batches for groups of orders per week. Not huge assembly lines like traxxas or Arrma parts, made individually on a CNC machine, very different process, and you can't exactly pay those CNC workers $12 an hour😂🤣 But I get it man, stuff air cheap. But RC is not cheap🙁 But when two EXB shock towers are about $70 from Arrma and two M2C EXB Towers are about the same with 10% off running coupons I say that's pretty fair. My 2 Cents.... Bash on brother