Watch Before You Buy: Ducati Multistrada V4 RS vs BMW M 1000 XR: Owner Discussion After Riding

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2024 Ducati Multistrada V4 RS Review
2024 BMW M 1000 XR Review
Ducati Multistrada RS vs. BMW M 1000 XR

[@bernhtp]

The standard versions of these bikes, S1000XR and Multistrada V4 PP, are the best supersport tourers made. It seems that the RS adds too many compromises and cost for the relatively minimal amount of extra power and sportiness. The M1000XR’s inability to accommodate the S’s excellent paniers and top box (just soft baggage) moves it from being a multi-day mountain road muncher to a comfier (and compromised) version of the S1000RR. Both were created to make a point, but ultimately are pointless. The standard versions make far more sense for their purpose.

[@SP-xd8gs]

its not minimal its night and day im coming from a full system PP to an RS the RS is special!!!! the desmo engine is wild

[@bernhtp]

@@SP-xd8gs I haven't ridden the RS, but was just looking at the claimed power which is about +20hp over the PP. It's still way lower than the desmo in the V4 S Panigale. In contrast, BMW gives you essentially the same shift-cam motor of the S1000RR in the M1000XR.

[@SP-xd8gs]

@@bernhtp i understand that but you have to consider "feeling" and a bmw for me is sterile no soul, i do have one on order though and then i can directly compare, its not always about numbers on paper, the ducati feels like its alive and has a soul!

[@bernhtp]

@@SP-xd8gs I do consider feeling, but mostly in how it functions for me. Many conflate feeling/soul with imperfections.

[@SP-xd8gs]

@@bernhtp that is true

[@mustafajoseph134]

Finally the video of all videos🙏🏾

[@DucatiDiaries]

Thanks my friend.

[@marshall60m4]

Picked up my MXR on Monday. All the parts for the factory Panniers came on Tuesday. Theres a few things to change out. (Carrier, passenger foot pegs, S lower pipe, S rear license plate holder) but its an easy bolt on and its all factory. The rear subframe of the M is identical to the S.

[@Vodoo954]

The power can never exceed the thrill. 😮. Nice comparison 🇺🇸

[@DucatiDiaries]

Thanks brother!

[@KenFelch]

For $1k you can put the S1000XR tail section which solves the luggage problem. Just bought the M knowing that was an issue but there is a solution without sinking another $17k for the Ducati.

[@damytzeus]

that's great info. thanks for sharing.

[@DucatiDiaries]

Great idea. Thank you for sharing.

[@hewlett62]

Great idea? After considering the facts involved, I don't think so. In many countries this would be an unapproved and unauthorised interference with the homologated design of the motorcycle. How do you get it through tech inspection? Maybe in my country, it wouldn't pass muster. Because this won't be homologated, who's gonna insure it? If you insure it as a proper M1000XR (de facto you will be lying) and crash, then the insurance company can very quickly find a reason to exclude it from benefits, or refuse to pay. And the worst? The rear of the M1000XR is probably not designed to deliver/change loads, so eventually when you load Top Case on it you take all the risk. As a load bearing component, is the M1000XR frame at all identical to the S1000XR? On the Ducati V4 RS it is not, as it doesn't count the Top Case on the tail, but it can at least fit side panniers. Whereas on the Ducati V4 Pikes Peak it is and the frame is tailored for that. Question: is the sum of the above worth USD 1000? Yep: the fully configured new S1000XR is much better for touring. But I'd much rather take the V4 Pikes Peak personally. Unless the potential buyer insists strictly on the BMW brand. Anyway, I agree with the observation about price: a much higher price on the RS is a no go.

[@OVER5TEER]

s1000xr rear luggage rack bolts right onto the MXR. Side cases takes a bit more work to adapt but can be done.

[@robertjakicic5878]

Both bikes are pieces of art and are probably a blast to ride enjoy my friend and be safe.

[@DucatiDiaries]

Thanks my friend.

[@aggelosg23]

The one who’s not holding the camera is a wise man!

[@DucatiDiaries]

You are correct, he is wise.

[@petervautmans199]

Huge fan of the adaptive cruisecontrol in my cars, and i don't see me use it on my bikes (they have classic cruise control)

[@DucatiDiaries]

Yeah I got a lot of use out of it on my Multi V4S. Great feature for long distances.

[@timmythetank]

I use it all the time, checkin phone, filming, fixing jacket or gloves etc, love my adaptive cruise

[@tomtraynor5384]

Need panniers. It's why I would buy either bike. So that leaves the S1000XR--but I bought the Pikes Peak instead. A pity BMW wouldn't and couldn't easily offer the panniers on the M1000XR.

[@DucatiDiaries]

Another commenter said "For $1k you can put the S1000XR tail section which solves the luggage problem." But either way, you can't go wrong with the Pike's Peak!

[@rayl5097]

need a more extreme version of the MTS， m1000r is good but without adaptive. Will stay with my PP until this happen. more attractive for me is the upcoming two cylinda 1490 ktm with adaptive which is more fun or a Aprilia version of PP with RSV4 engine with adative

[@DucatiDiaries]

@@rayl5097 My friend just did his whole RS in carbon fiber (including the wheels), full exhaust and pro tune. I'll be reviewing it soon so stay tuned!

[@Farhan.DucatiS1k]

Carbon fiber wheels on these bikes and potholes don't play nice especially when going long distance. I think Ducati made the right decision on not adding that to the RS. If you want to track a bike this is not it although you can but how many racers use carbon fiber wheels on the track. Like none..

[@DucatiDiaries]

Agreed. No one is going to track these bikes. These are just fun bikes for guys who have the money to spend on them. My friend has that money. 🤣

[@Farhan.DucatiS1k]

@@DucatiDiariesboth great bikes for the money you can’t beat that M but what’s the point buy the RS and throw those saddle bags on and go long distance and have fun best of both worlds..

[@drewyager4020]

BMW does have an RS with luggage and shaft drive. Great for a mature sport bike tour

[@SHADOWBLACKs650]

First 🎉🎉

[@DucatiDiaries]

My man! You got the Mustang broken in yet?

[@SHADOWBLACKs650]

@DucatiDiaries 900 MI, K&N air filters but I left the carbon traps in, drivability is so nice I didn't want to risk playing around with air control of the mass air meter, with two giant throttle bodies there's no loss of any air, first two weeks it's been one update after the other when I get in the car in the morning, last week a warning flashed across the screen for 1 second that it entered in engineering test mode, car felt soggy actually for that Drive, another morning I had yellow and purple gauge cluster, other than that car seems nice, amazingly smooth and quiet at 100 mph, they could easily put a Lincoln badge on this car, the sport mode and track mode and normal mode are completely different,I floored it yesterday only saw a 7,000 RPM but that was in normal mode..... I think the car is faster than my older 21, it definitely has more torque it goes without having the downshift..... active exhaust is nice, it's really a very nice car that they worked hard to refine...

[@DucatiDiaries]

@@SHADOWBLACKs650 Yeah I drive by the lot sometimes and they still have that black with pinstripes in the lot and I want it every time I see it. 🤣

[@SHADOWBLACKs650]

@DucatiDiaries trade in the wife's MachE, or the Tesla... 😀..... I don't see my 21 at the dealer anymore, I'm wondering if they even had a buyer before I drove off the lot with the 24🤣.... you should take that Mustang for a test drive, talk to the dealer and see what they say, you can be sure the car will be nice at 90 and up miles per hour, and the drivability like I said is very impressive, Ford clearly worked hard to make a nice car.. you have too many electric vehicles in your life LOL

[@lennykibbs260]

Thought you were gonna drag race ..... oh well

[@DucatiDiaries]

We're going to review them after they both get full exhausts and after the Multi gets carbon fiber rims. So we can do some pulls, etc. Stay tuned.

[@lennykibbs260]

@@DucatiDiaries 😁

[@flavirufus]

Bren tune the m1000xr and forget about it. Like a new bike.

[@DucatiDiaries]

My friend just ordered that tune.

[@flavirufus]

⁠@@DucatiDiaries there are tunes to do little bit of this and that for bikes, but this tune is nuts. Eliminates all that flat spot between about 5000 and 8000 RPM

[@DucatiDiaries]

@@flavirufus I'll be sure to review it!

[@peternishan1009]

Not only is the Ducati way more expensive but the service will be a lot more expensive in the Duc

[@hewlett62]

About service: flat out this is not true, it depends on where you live and service > the reality? I have both a PikesPeak and a fat BMW K1600GT and the prices (hourly service rates) are a bit more expensive just at BMW. Also, home oil and oil filter changes are very easy on the Ducati Multistrada V4 PikesPeak, but more difficult on the BMW due to the "dry" separate oil sump system. Rather, I would see a bit of a problem with the Ducati V4 RS in that it has a desmo and therefore there are shorter service intervals for valve adjustments. Working on a desmo requires a more experienced mechanic and more careful work. The engine on the V4 PikesPeak Granturismo has its first major service at 60,000km. Service requirements (and therefore prices) especially on new Ducati Multistrada's with Granturismo V4 series engines are simply more favourable than anyone thinks.

[@countbrapcula-espana]

Ducati

[@user-lg5we3sl4i]

The M is better, cheaper, lighter and i can it Ride in Austria in Tirol - DB 95 - Ducati to loud

[@DucatiDiaries]

Stay tuned. After I rode the M through some twisties, I fell in love with it. I'm hoping to get one for the channel lineup at some point.

[@tobanhoffmann8347]

110 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. Psalm 110:1

[@DucatiDiaries]

Amen.

[@SHADOWBLACKs650]

Nope... i know better, no bikes for me.... and if i was it would be a cruiser, vrod or something, but its never happening, ... carbon fiber Wheels ? As if these bikes are not missiles already, stay safe on those things.

[@yojimbo21]

Why are you even commenting?

[@SHADOWBLACKs650]

@yojimbo21 because his channel needs it quite frankly, I'm also at work bored getting overtime, it's a Mustang Channel and while I certainly have Mustangs, we also live about 30 Mi away from each other.... but quite frankly you being salty doesn't even deserve a reply.

[@DucatiDiaries]

Thanks brother. But we still need to get you a Harley. 🤣

[@DucatiDiaries]

@@yojimbo21 He's a friend helping a brotha out. :o)

[@DucatiDiaries]

Hey FYI www.caranddriver.com/news/a61038569/2024-ford-mustang-manual-fire-risk-recall/

[@elithegreat6463]

Your friend is correct, don't let slower drivers in front of you dictate your Ride, Slower traffic Riders need to Warp away from Cars. Adaptive in Motorcycles is useless, cause you'll constantly be switching back to manual control. In cars, it's perfect, in Bikes, it's a gimmick .

[@DucatiDiaries]

I have a 200 mile round trip to go help my mother. Unfortunately, 98% of it is highway. The adaptive cruise control kept me sane on those rides. I viewed it as fun to use, safe to keep on (if someone jumps in front of you, the bike will immediately slow down), and a way to relax during those long rides.

[@hewlett62]

I think this is a layman's opinion, which can be said by someone who hasn't experienced it in practice and therefore hasn't used the adaptive system on long journeys. It's really practical on a long trip and oddly enough quite fun.

[@hewlett62]

@@DucatiDiaries yes, I totally agree

[@elithegreat6463]

@@hewlett62 I been riding Bikes over 40 Yrs, and if you’re going to let another vehicle in front of you dictate your “Long Rides”, then you have more patience than most Riders. Why would you stay behind some idiot in a car when you can just warp away and be rid of the traffic around you. As stated, normal cruise is a must, Adaptive is a waste, plus it’s just something else to fix on your bike “when” it craps out. 👎👎

[@hewlett62]

@@elithegreat6463 Of course. You've been driving for 40 years? OKAY. So? On a scooter, around town on your daily commute? All right, great. How many miles have you ridden on a motorcycle with adaptive cruise control, which is primarily what we're talking about here? Zero? So what qualifies you to say, definitively, that adaptive cruise control is useless? You forgot to add that it's your opinion, then that would be fair. But you're making a blanket statement. Others obviously have a different opinion that they don't impose on others. With this logic of yours, you could, for example, claim that you have been using a Nokia push button phone for 20 years and a modern touchscreen phone with AI is useless. For you it is, for others it is not. On driving: if I drive say 800km a day, why not drive 200km sharper, fully manual, nobody dictates my pace of driving, to use your dictionary. How about another 200km when I want to take a break and let the adaptive cruise control go at 130km/hr on the motorway. Others (according to you idiots) are also driving 130, so who is dictating my pace? Nobody, mate. When I want to pass a truck, I put on my left turn signal, the adaptive cruise control senses it and I pass smoothly, no jerking, no breaking. Plus, the blind spot assist in my mirrors (rear collision radar) gives me info that overtaking is perfectly safe. Smooth, smooth, everything at ease. and then for the next 200km, full manual again, and the speed and dynamics I want. No dictating the pace by anyone else is out of the question, which of course you would know if you had the awareness and especially the practical experience of how it works in real life. After all, if someone calls another driver in front of them an idiot, then there's not much to explain. Have a nice day and both wheels down on the ground.

[@cmaz8547]

The XR is not a sport touring bike - it a naked and its pretty obvious!

[@DucatiDiaries]

BMW disagrees with you. But I personally don't consider either of these sports tourers. They're specialty bikes for people with the money to spare for a high performance comfortable ride. Both bikes can be ridden over long distances with comfort. To your point, here's what's on BMW's website: The equation for an incomparable riding experience of M-like performance and XR-like long-distance capability. The M XR is highly versatile with its sport, *touring* and passenger suitability.

[@cmaz8547]

@@DucatiDiaries BMW can disagree with me with their marketing campaign by putting XR on a naked, does not make it a touring bike. The least they could have done was put panniers on the bike, (if it’s a touring bike) and a comfortable riding position.

[@DucatiDiaries]

@@cmaz8547 I actually rode the BMW more aggressively in twisties after this and I became a big fan. It's now the top bike I want to buy next (after I win the lottery). You should try it if you haven't. It's a masterpiece. However, if I were going to tour, I'd choose the Multistrada.

[@cmaz8547]

@@DucatiDiaries agreed, the XR will be my next track bike with the more comfortable riding position.