M4 iPad Pro Thoughts, Why Upgrade? Logic, Final Cut, M2 Air?

Apple announced the newest iPads Pro last week (along with the M2 iPad Air, with a new 13 inch option). The new pros have a lot of interesting changes, I figured it would be fun to talk about why I would or wouldn't upgrade from my M2 Pro, and who maybe should consider the upgrade. Apologies for any rambling and gravely voice, I've been sick for a week (hopefully back to full health soon!).
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[@DylanParisMusic]

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[@remiXgalx]

After going to a MAC STUDIO from a custom PC I had built, I'll never go back. LOL. One of the greatest differences, is there is no heat coming from the MAC STUDIO. Even though I had a ton of fans on my PC, whenever I was working on it, it would make my room so hot, gave off so much heat. Love how the MAC STUDIO is a few inches from me on my desk, and there is no heat at all, and it runs all my ADOBE programs, LOGIC PRO, etc, flawlessly. Currently on a 12.9 M1 iPad Pro, still runs incredibly.

[@DylanParisMusic]

If a Mac Studio could play my pc games like my desktop can I’d consider one for sure! They look awesome otherwise!

[@BrentODell]

@@DylanParisMusic Gaming definitely keeps me on Windows. I ran nothing but Linux for over a year, and even managed to play some games, but eventually had to come back for some MMO. As for making the room hot with a desktop PC, I feel like maybe that's an issue with circulation in the home vs an issue with the computer. Also: liquid cooling with fix fan noise. :)

[@oso3016]

Get well soon buddy. Salute for soldiering through to make this video .. one of the best and most balanced I’ve watched on this .. and I’ve watched a few 🫡👍

[@DylanParisMusic]

Thank you! I appreciate that a lot 🙏🫡😎

[@grm65]

Thanks for the sensible take. I’m very tempted by the hardware but the price is daunting!

[@DylanParisMusic]

Thanks for watching! And I feel you!

[@sreed1927]

I needed this somber message. Thank you and get better!

[@DylanParisMusic]

Thanks for watching and for the kind words!

[@marmehta]

Stage Manager is available on the 2020 iPad Pro.

[@DylanParisMusic]

Not external monitor support though I believe, only m1 and m2 for that

[@marmehta]

@@DylanParisMusic You are right!

[@vyzetta]

I just ordered a 13 inch ipad pro (my first ipad) I got 16gb ram so interesting you say its not worth it aha, I mostly do visual art stuff though so I know it's good for procreate layer count and resolution limit. I'm also interesting in zbrush coming out soonish which I expect will be more demanding. And yeah like you mention the new pencil is sweet for art apps.

[@DylanParisMusic]

Congrats!! Long term hopefully more ram pays off, and if you’re doing visual arts stuff like you said, there should be some impact in procreate and potentially procreate dreams as well. I hope it treats you well for years!

[@bad.chickie66]

I doubt most people use for than 30 layers.

[@RC944jim]

For me it has always been more power than you need is fine, but on machines with not enough power your limited! Good luck with your new iPad Pro, stop back in a few months and let us know what your experience has been.

[@AdamsOlympia]

I've been daily driving a 2018 iPad Pro since release, which still handles busy Drambo and Logic projects like a champ. It's been a music production powerhouse since I got it, but I'm very tempted to finally upgrade. It'll be nice to load far more instances of CPU demanding synths like Moog Mariana and others + be able to take advantage of new Logic features that require m-series.

[@DylanParisMusic]

2018 to M4 makes sense to me especially for screen and processor upgrades!

[@sforsure]

How do you mix the tracks?? Using studio headphones?? If so is it compatible with m4 iPad pro

[@sforsure]

How do you mix the tracks?? Using studio headphones?? If so is it compatible with m4 iPad pro?? Can it be used to full audio production??

[@MyNameJeff..]

Me too bro. The best most future proof device I think they ever made. My battery health is still 95% on it. My 2019 mbp (worst mbp I ever had) has 78% with only 265 cycles. 2018 ipad pro is king.

[@PJ-sv4iw]

Goes to show, people will upgrade their iPads for Netflix/KZbin, despite iPads from 2016/2017 can run them just fine. It’s all about wanting the next best thing. That wouldn’t be a problem if iPadOS took advantage of the hardware but from 2017 and on, the iPads have been more than capable of most types of use cases.

[@MyNameJeff..]

Yup

[@johndoyle325]

I've had my 2nd gen Pro 12.9 since 2017. It's still perfectly fine for almost everything I do... almost. A year ago I was sad to see it would not support Logic. With the M4 chip and the features of the new version of Logic, I finally have a reason to upgrade. I briefly considered getting a Macbook instead, but realized it doesn't fill the same function as an iPad and I have a Surface Pro 7 for those features.

[@DylanParisMusic]

That feels like a super solid upgrade window to me!

[@cartoondesignrevealed]

Get well soon😊

[@DylanParisMusic]

Thank you! 🙏🙏

[@khoifoto]

I'm a tech fanatic and it's a joy to hold the new ipad iny hands. My M2 ipad 12.9 works just fine, but I still want to buy the new one.

[@DylanParisMusic]

Fair enough!

[@darthfoo75]

Sorry to hear you’ve had COVID. I hope you’re feeling a bit better.

[@DylanParisMusic]

thank you! definitely better than I was a week ago, still not 100 percent though

[@darthfoo75]

I’ve had it 4 times. Make sure you’re hydrating well. I hope you’re 100% soon.

[@MisterChibs]

Upgrading from 2018 ipad pro. The Jump from 11" - 13" pro is 400$ CAD which is crazy. Hopefully I wont miss that extra 2 inches (That's what she said).🍻

[@DylanParisMusic]

Hahaha brutal, that should be a nice upgrade though!

[@Fred_Davenport]

😂😂😂

[@MrEnoch-dy4tg]

New iPad it’s not just for ‘youtubers’ manny artists will switch to new one to draw and paint in procreate. With new pencil there’s some great features

[@DylanParisMusic]

I mention that artists will likely benefit but it’s pretty frustrating for artists who got the m2 to be locked out of the pencil pro

[@gleannmhuire]

Yeah get well soon Dylan.

[@DylanParisMusic]

Much appreciated 🙏

[@foobaryorozuya4397]

You don't use whisper to do transcript? they sure took a lot of RAM.

[@fashopimpin]

The hardest thing for some people to understand is that the upgrade may not be meant for you. I have made beats plus, mixed and mastered music for over 20 years. I have also been a professional photographer for 13 years. As a musician this is not a necessary upgrade as a photographer it most definitely is and I can’t draw to save my life but I’m sure this is a hell yeah upgrade for them. So always put things in perspective. Should macOS be on the iPad yep ever since the M1 chip but, it should only be on the iPad pros as far as I’m concerned. That would justify the price point. Either that or we need desktop developers figuring out how to make their desktop software for iPadOS and they can’t say it isn’t possible. Affinity Photo for example is more Photoshop than Adobe’s Photoshop app so it can be done.

[@DylanParisMusic]

I definitely think it’s an upgrade for artists which I mentioned, but for everyone else if they have an m1, m2, or even a 2018 or 2020 iPad Pro, I’m not convinced

[@fashopimpin]

@@DylanParisMusic True my only reason is the AI addition Adobe could implement more of the desktop AI features with this hopefully 🤞🏾

[@williammclean6594]

​@@DylanParisMusicI'm an artist and I want to get it, but all the artists that I've talked to says besides doing 3D sculpting digital painting doesn't use very much processing power at all. So you don't need the 16 gigs of RAM. And that was my dilemma. Hearing you say that you don't need very much processing power. I might just get the 8 gig version. I think I'll wait until next month when they announce their updates to their software at that event. Because I don't want to like spec this thing out if I can't use it for stuff that I do on my PC

[@brddork]

iPadOS enforces limitations on the amount of RAM that can be allocated to an application, at least for third-party apps. You can *indicate* that your app would benefit from more RAM. I'm not sure how much it can currently allocate to an individual app, but it's quite possible you're correct that the 16gb version isn't gaining you any more RAM for say, Logic Pro for iPad, but I'm not sure. If any apps were to be able to take advantage of the full 16gb, it'd be Apple's first party pro applications. I think in a previous video about logic pro for iPad you mentioned that you don't really like generative stuff. I can respect that some people really want to put down every note they write in their compositions from nothing, but to me generative stuff is kind of like noodling on an instrument. You don't always know where it's going and a lot of it is going to be crap, but sometimes you'll stumble upon something good. To me it doesn't matter if that comes from my own playing, some sort of interesting sounds in my environment, other songs, or from generative AI.

[@BrentODell]

Thoughts as a non-Apple person who just got an iPad Air M2: The pencil thing seems really stupid. I don't believe there's a technical reason why all the pencils can't work. I'm impressed so far with Logic Pro, including the 'AI' musicians. First, I suck at keys and don't have a way to record the tiny drum kit I have. I DO play bass, but the bass player thing is great for getting ideas in motion, and then I can go back and lay down my own part later as needed. I've seen reviews indicating that one can't get 'polished, pro results' entirely on the iPad. As someone who's just getting into, I feel like they need to 'get good'. People have won Grammies on MUCH worse gear than what comes with Logic for $5/month. I used to draw a lot, but never really on a digital surface, so I don't have any opinions on that stuff beyond the above pencil stuff. I thought about the 13" Air, but got the 11" because one of my main use-cases is working on music at lunch, at the office, and the 13" was just a little too large for me to want to drag around. Maybe in the future I'll change my mind. Lastly, I kinda wish I'd gotten a wifi+5G version, because being able to access cloud storage anywhere(iCloud, Google Drive, etc.) would be pretty cool. I laid down a vocal track in my car today, had to wait until I got back into work for the project to resync with the cloud.

[@CrankyOldNerd]

So the crush thing and the number of people who got mad was weird to me, I didn't think it was as bad as they felt it. It's a common theme when they consolidate things to mash it together. Just seems sometimes people want to get mad about something. I have last years model, got it about a year ago to replace my 2018 model. I'm going to hold off for now. I was looking at the geekbench scores and i don't think I'd currently benefit from it enough to care.

[@DylanParisMusic]

Yeah the first time I saw the ad it didn’t phase me at all, but in hindsight I can see how it’s sort of tone deaf in 2024 🤣

[@RC944jim]

I kind of liked the uncrushing some guys did maybe that made more sense and wouldn’t have upset so many folks!

[@patrickmckernan7122]

Any thoughts on this for mobile gaming, I use an iPad for that now and wondering if the extra ram and oled screen would improve performance? Thanks.

[@DylanParisMusic]

Depending on what iPad you’re coming from gaming will probably be an upgrade. From my 1tb m2 12.9 it’s probably not a huge deal, but pre m1 or an 11 inch it would be a pretty huge upgrade on screen alone for games

[@JesseBoyd]

Great video, I discovered your channel today. Could you help me with something? I gave my old iPad to my husband. Should I buy a M2 Air iPad or a M2 iPad Pro. The difference in my country is around 75 USD.

[@DylanParisMusic]

For that little difference I’d choose the pro for the refresh rate of the screen, and especially the 12.9 inch for the better colors and contrast of the mini led

[@JesseBoyd]

@@DylanParisMusic ohh I forgot to mention that it is the 11” Unfortunately in Colombia the 12,9” is quite expensive. I don’t know what to expect from Apple. The M series has messed up the update policy. Will I get more updates on the M2 Air since it launched in 2024? Or the Pro model will have 2 extra years since it’s a “pro”.

[@williammclean6594]

Artists absolutely hate AI. I hate it myself because I'm an artist. It's just unethical that they scrape the internet and take people's work without consent. There are programs that can protect your work like glaze that puts like a filter over your work before you post it so AI can't use it and it poisons The AI. So it makes really bad art from your work. Or it can't register it and it makes something completely different.

[@DylanParisMusic]

Agreed 💯 percent

[@orhbo0]

Which programs are those?

[@williammclean6594]

@@orhbo0 I mentioned it in the post. It's a website called glaze to protect your artwork

[@willmcelroy6376]

Feel better bro. Be sure to consult with your doctor if anything seems weird, like heart or chest feeling. Myocarditis tends to effect young guys.

[@DylanParisMusic]

Thank you! I’m being very careful and resting a ton. Up to date on vaccines and boosters so hopefully that helps

[@JamesWilliam70]

For me, a half way house device doesn't deserve spending so much on. It's like buying a 60 seater bus for your daily singular commute regarding power/capacity. Yes i think the 2024 air is better value with that current preschool looking crippled OS. My 2015 12.9 pro is still trundling along with its limited use...

[@sforsure]

Can iPad pro support mixing with high impedance studio headphones?

[@DylanParisMusic]

I believe it can with an interface, there is no headphone jack on the device

[@RobnDob]

Too much power for a machine that doesn’t have the fully capable apps yet.

[@DylanParisMusic]

💯 agree

[@Nothingspeshalwaysfresh]

I’ve heard this a few times with older iPads. History shows it caught up. Also, the music production ecosystem of iOS is next level.

[@davesnow]

More than capable apps. User needs to develop their approach and design their workflows in the ipadOS system. I have flows that work significantly better in iPad and flows that work better on Mac. Many people try to correlate to desktop and should really focus on the benefits of this environment. There are many.

[@RobnDob]

@@davesnow the apps can be capable in some cases but more so than not they’re let down by storage management Or the support isn’t there compared to desktop counterparts. Final Cut and Logic Pro released for iPad and with a lot of the features they’re missing they’re unusable to justify spending that kind of money on a tablet. I have separate workflows on iPad and have always advocated their use but we’re now on iPads with m4 chips that the laptops don’t have and yet they can’t get full logic and Final Cut suites on them. Especially being subscription apps. The logic app is the reason logic 11 looks more like 10.11 because of the development to get both out at the same time and to promote the iPad m4. It’s ridiculous.

[@davesnow]

@@RobnDob I use primarily for business productivity and use side by side apps constantly. Reviewing one document while writing in another app. My other use is editing photos with Lightroom. I much prefer doing that on an iPad than on a desktop with a Wacom. I have a multitude of Shortcuts setup that make many of my workflows so much faster than a desktop. I do video calls on an iPad. I consume content on an iPad and iPhone. If I have a long document to edit, I prefer a desktop. I don’t edit a ton of video, but have done so for family videos. I prefer desktop for that. You have to know your use case. Computing devices have different use cases. iPad is extremely capable in many respects. It is not a desktop replacement just like a desktop is not an iPad replacement. It doesn’t fit into everyone’s workflow, that’s fine. However, the idea that it needs to become MacOS is misplaced. Macs already exist. I want to see evolution and great tie ins between the two, but I don’t want to see iPadOS become MacOS. The file system works for me 90% of the time, can use some more evolution to be sure.

[@sharonb.9128]

It all depends on your use case. The iPad is not a laptop and it can do some things BETTER than a laptop and some thing’s a laptop can’t do at all. It’s kinda like listening to people who don’t like using Apple devices talk about Apple products or vice versa about Windows. It’s like listening to a guy talk about a sport he’s never played or doesn’t watch. It’s pointless.

[@ZeroPointProductions]

Yep the AI is lame and not for me however I do like the sound quality of the new instruments that come with the AI and the chroma distortion plugin is nice. To call it logic 2 on the iPad is a bit of a Joke. No other functions or workflow enhancements have been made which is sad. Stem separation may be handy but only if you like to use other people music which is not really moral

[@BroBrown357]

You sound like Glum, from The Adventures of Gulliver. He often said “We’ll never make it”, as in we’re doomed. I could only watch the first half of this video. Try looking at the glass as being half full.

[@DylanParisMusic]

Plenty of more optimistic takes on this device, but fair if the video didn’t hit for you!

[@DespairQuietlyPlease]

Does logic for ipad have midi mapping??

[@DylanParisMusic]

I don’t believe it does sadly :( could have been updated since I last checked though

[@Everyday-man]

Ram can and is use more in the Newest “real” AAA Games on highest settings will use around 12g Ram from what I’ve seen on other KZbinr testers and Procreate Layers for artists. But i agree, i wish more Developers would allow more usage. Possibly just in app settings like games do.

[@DylanParisMusic]

Good callout! I hadn’t considered the games!

[@josealvarez9517]

Back when M1 iPad came out it was still forgivable no access to MacOS but now that they’ve packed so much overpowered tech this cycle and you still can’t access MacOS then Apple is deliberately handicapping it to protect Mac sales.

[@DylanParisMusic]

It’s so weird too cause for a long time they were clearly trying to have the iPad replace the Mac and then just sort of 180d and changed their mind

[@bad.chickie66]

Stop rehashing comments you read somewhere else. I swear you must be a bot.

[@MyNameJeff..]

All that power for nothing. What’s the point? My 2018 ipad pro does everything the same lol. I don’t need full fledged macOS on the ipad, but for god’s sake - ipados on an m4 chip? Lol. Love the design though.

[@DylanParisMusic]

Word, agreed!

[@MyNameJeff..]

@@DylanParisMusic People are saying it might change at wwdc, and that they might show off a new ipad os that’s more macos centric, but I doubt it.

[@DylanParisMusic]

@MyNameJeff.. yeah I’ll believe when I see it hahaha, I heard and believed the same thing the last few years, not getting my hopes up

[@MyNameJeff..]

@@DylanParisMusic lol me neither. I couldn’t believe it, ran my 2018 ipad pro (got it January 2019) on coconut, its was like 95.8% battery health. I literally use every single day. They made that thing future proof. Thinking about upgrading my 2019 macbook pro tho. Only 256 or so cycles and it has like 78% battery life. Bogus. Hottest macbook pro I ever had, thing gets hot watching KZbin videos. Takes forever to render. My 2014 is better lol

[@DylanParisMusic]

@MyNameJeff.. yeah the last Intel Macs were not great sadly! Even the m1 MacBook Air is a more efficient machine in a lot of ways, the new MBPs are insane power and efficiency now, the 16 inch pro battery life is like 18 hours

[@BIG1TOWER]

Ipad are not worth 2k, just buy the MacBook Air

[@DylanParisMusic]

Yeah I do regret getting one this expensive and powerful, the 256 is probably the sweet spot

[@MaiKai_Makena_Property_Advisor]

iPad OS sucks and they want to charge MacBook 💻 prices they have lost their MINDS

[@MaiKai_Makena_Property_Advisor]

If Apple’s going to charge so much money for their devices, I’m gonna switch to the S 24 ultra because I have a phone and a tablet I didn’t wanna leave Apple but Apple left ME @apple @samsung