M4 Max vs Ultra 9 285k vs Ryzen 9900x - PROOF that This Laptop is INSANE!

[@theTechNotice]

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[@patriknordberg1259]

Your discount code on iVanky didn't work. Just want to let you know.

[@raminpro9765]

compair 4000$ apple with 2000$ 9900x amd is fair? if you fair compair with 4000$ amd threadripper

[@SidechainMusicArtist]

@@raminpro9765 It's fair when you think of the prices of all the other components of a pc, such as a case, the fans, design, screen, peripherals, power draw, and more. Also keep in mind that you're sacrificing portability with a pc.

[@DaveEtchells]

@@theTechNotice Only lower configs, not ones with 128GB RAM, big SSDs :-/

[@AlfaStation1]

Never buying hardware again from Amazon! Bought a 5700x3d from an Amazon certified seller and i received a Ryzen 3 1200 in the box. Send it straight back without opening the box but they "lost" my return. Took me 5 mails and 2 chats before they finally decided to reinburs me.

[@ansoncall6497]

PC for desktop, Mac for laptop. win win.

[@tejiriamrasa3258]

@milosmartplug No

[@harshavandu]

Pc ? 😂 it’s m4 mini time already

[@Space97.]

​@milosmartpluglmao funny Mac is obsolete in developers eyes 😂

[@owen-trombone]

@@Space97. So you’re saying iPhone devs don’t use Macs? 😂

[@vstrxl]

@@Space97. this ain't it

[@KevPez-IS]

Thanks for the video team! I’m a mailman here for United States Postal Service. I can work on a video before clocking into work, and during some breaks in my day. To have desktop quality in a laptop, game changing for me.

[@theTechNotice]

There we go! :)

[@sortof3337]

Subbed. I have tremendous respect for people with creative passion who have been marginalized by capitalism.

[@KevPez-IS]

@ thanks man, USPS pays the bill. The heart has bigger ambitions, content is slow for me right , but I’m doing it as I can

[@dreamworldtony]

Subscribed ✅ 💯

[@raminpro9765]

compair 4000$ apple with 2000$ 9900x amd is fair? if you fair compare with 4000$ amd threadripper,then apple will explode,rip

[@kalef1234]

Apple Silicon in general is very impressive. So much you can do on battery. I have a 7950X 3080 12G system for gaming, but I just bought a M3 Max 16C with 64GB memory on ebay for my photo editing and video editing.

[@slojanko]

Atleast it's cheaper and has Windows. I can't stand MacOS and the insane prices.

[@bruhbybruh752]

@@slojanko u can't stand that high prices cuz u can't afford these devices poor one

[@ilaion11]

@@bruhbybruh752 still, the MacOS is awful, would never get into Mac for that reason. I would like a Microsoft hack like we have Hackintosh, though!

[@SoggyKatnip]

​@@bruhbybruh752don't act like Apple's pricing for memory upgrades isn't robbery 🤡

[@alexchen4442]

@@slojanko Well because you don't really need the macOS ecosystem for the productivity. Some workflow is just better on Mac and faster. And I'd like to be able to work without a power plug

[@AmbercoolPhotography]

A lot of people are saying why not use a workstation? My 3090 is only used for gaming now. Content it’s slow. And creating things you’re always on the go. A powerful creator laptop is the way to go! Even a portable Mac mini is huge.

[@Tanax13]

It's really frustrating that despite Mac finally getting some good hardware, they still suck for gaming.

[@Avstar777]

They don’t suck for gaming I can confirm but they have a worser value about 40% less frame per dollar but u also have to consider that on a laptop when ur unplugged the MacBook is faster than others simply due to efficiency

[@amackzie]

@@Tanax13 yeah no one really builds gamees for mac though. so they arent for gaming. it would be awesome if people built games for macos though and if apple took gaming seriously. I just have a mac and game on an xbox so its fine for me don't really need to game on a laptop I need good battery efficiency and performance

[@MatheusPratta]

I own both a 7800X3D desktop and a M2 Pro laptop, been not very fan of Apple for the whole life, and the Mac really blows my mind on how fast and power efficient it is, can't even imagine for M4 Max.

[@ballingaming1325]

I have a 9800x3d/4090 pc and my m4 max MacBook definitely feels a lot smoother. Apple haters will always be around but 99% of them have never owned a Apple product

[@TheWolfnman]

In fairness, 7800x3d and 9800x3d are gaming oriented chips.

[@Duckstalker1340]

As a software developer I am in a love-hate relationship with Apple and MacOS. While I absolutely love my MacBook Pro as a coding machine, these Mac Mini boxes are so powerful and power efficient at the same time, but they cannot run linux natively so I cannot use them as VMs or Docker clusters, such a massive waste of potential.

[@mordechai8008]

plus: they suck on gaming. not sure why.

[@pmarreck]

asahi linux will (although perhaps not on the M4’s just yet!)

[@SahilP2648]

You can use Docker on Mac. What are you talking about? Also, you can virtualize Linux if that's what you want (but why would you?). If you absolutely need to use Linux, then getting PC hardware is a good solution, or just rent a VPS and let your build run overnight or something.

[@pmarreck]

@@SahilP2648 Has Docker on Mac stopped sucking? That was the issue the last time I looked at it. (Well, that plus the whole "building docker images is fundamentally nondeterministic" but that's just the Nix guy in me talking)

[@SahilP2648]

@@pmarreck yes from what I can tell the super early issue of not being able to run popular images has been fixed (albeit by having arm versions of all OSs and software) so you might still run into some issues there. If you are running a fresh install of Ubuntu and then installing stuff on it and then committing that image, then there's zero issues (from my experience). Try it for yourself and see. Docker compose would work if it has an Ubuntu base.

[@Rice_Cake_]

that's crazy, almost unbelievable. Why hasn't AMD/Intel figured out how to keep up after M chips have been out for a few years now? As a creator, this is the first time I've considered a Mac in over 12yrs.

[@Jagc0316]

It's arm based CPU, like a phone/tablet with all the storage/memory/GPU built in. It works well, really well, but comes at a price, money, and the issue with upgradeability. PCs have traditionally been cisc based x86 and configurable. Mac silicone computers are good if the apps are available. Windows is the most successful and widely used OS ever, doesn't mean it's the best, but for money, performance and availability it is ahead. Will MacOS ever beat it? Depends if people want to dig deep into their pockets.

[@slojanko]

Atleast it's cheaper and has Windows. I can't stand MacOS and the insane prices.

[@mika2666]

There’s an AMD competitor (strix halo) coming out next year, with a bigger integrated GPU and 16 zen 5 cores (like the 9950x)

[@Jagc0316]

@@Rice_Cake_ competition is good news; however, I don't know any 'professionals' that need this much power from a laptop. Real 'professionals' used larger screens, larger keyboards, a mouse and other devices. It seems the internet is full of 'professionals' in the sense of content creators and KZbinrs. These kind of devices would suit them as they do work wherever they can.

[@liquidmark5081]

@@Jagc0316x86 is CISC. ARM is RISC

[@melmartinez7002]

My job entails a lot of large software builds, integrating software written in multiple languages and complex docker container compositions.I used to always pivot around a static workstation I kept in my office, always using that as the main workhorse and re-syncing anything I did on my laptop(s) back to that. But not anymore. Since I moved up to an apple silicon laptop, that quickly became the main workhorse for everything. I soon only used the desktop machine for backing things up and eventually got rid of it for even that in favor of an actual remote backup service. Having this much portable power means I can do my builds anywhere. Anywhere I am is my remote office, even when connectivity is poor. That's a huge value add for me.

[@piotrd.4850]

Pray, tell us about Docker on Mac ;D

[@melmartinez7002]

@ What’s to tell? It just works. Very similar to using Docker on Linux. You sometimes need to assert the platform switch but that’s about it.

[@nuxxdk]

Oh noes how dare you provide a real world example of the unprecedented utility these laptops offer… you’ll upset the “WhAt’S tHe DeMoGrApHiC?” wintel desktop fetishists

[@iLegionaire3755]

I never thought I would see the day, where a laptop processor bodies the top of the line AMD Threadripper 7995wx and fits in your backpack, with all day battery life! Apple has made that day arrive with M4 MAX! Never been happier to be wrong!

[@linmo6451]

7995wx?

[@piotrd.4850]

In benchmarks it wins due to memory bandwidth. In prolonged loads, though....

[@mariusk.1827]

lol where do you see Threadripper 7995wx in this test ?:D

[@celdur4635]

And you haven't seen it yet.

[@Alobster1]

The m4 doesn't even come close to the 7995wx in performance.

[@bugatti7510]

11:28, Literally put my arms in the air and said: "Apple welcome back to the competition!"

[@mylittlepimo736]

I’m still stunned that their integrated laptop GPU can compete with the desktop RTX 3080. I wonder what the M4 Ultra will look like.

[@Tanax13]

@@mylittlepimo736 RTX 3080 can be used for pretty much anything though. Mac GPU will suck for gaming compared to the RTX 3080. So it all depends on what you use the computer for but considering a computer is supposed to be all purpose, it kind of sucks that Mac can't game decently, despite finally getting good hardware

[@steffmkd]

Can you test the M4 and M4 Pro and add them in those charts? I thinks thats going to be really interesting especially for the $600 M4 Mac Mini

[@edingacic546]

Wow thanks for this test. I want to sell my Epyc workstation with RTX3090 and 128GB of ram for this.

[@Beezzzzy_]

I love people are realizing how good Apple silicon Macs are. M4 is the biggest jump since M1 from Intel. I have an M2 Max MBP and probably won’t upgrade for another 3-4 generations. The power efficiency is the best aspect of them. I can edit on a cross country plane ride in Photoshop or Lightroom and not worry about battery life.

[@SamHocking]

X86 + Nvidia still quite a bit faster though as an actual working computer. I mean 3D graphics alone, Apple are still +20% behind consumer RTX4070 and an RTX 6000 ADA is double the speed of a 4070, so Apple are very far behind, but I guess 3D, graphics, AI and high performance are not the market they are aiming for with Silicon?

[@owen-trombone]

@@SamHockingBut can you do that on a 12-hour plane ride? 😂

[@yenjun0204]

@@SamHocking x86s and Macs now cater to more specific applications. For video and audio editing, Mac is the top choice.

[@SamHocking]

@@yenjun0204 I've never really seen it like that. My PC gets through more work faster than my M2 Ultra so that's what's used for video and audio editing. Yes, there's a couple of tasks where I want to be working on ARM but overall the PC is the better more capable machine and with lots more software and hardware editing choice.

[@yenjun0204]

@@SamHocking If your work involves 3D modeling, rendering output, then yes. U r right. But If your work use Final Cut Pro or Premiere software for 2D video editing, I think the issue may be the plug-ins or extensions which did not fully support Apple silicon chips yet. Or you r running big projects which requires more RAM than the current hardware configuration, or NVIDIA GPU feature technology.

[@jbrashfx]

This is the most comprehensive video I've seen benchmarking the M4 Max - as a 3D Professional, thank you very much for sharing :)

[@M0RT1FY]

After having Macs for 7 years, I was optimistic about improved support and native ability to game. I won’t return to Mac until that becomes a reality.

[@nicolasb.henry294]

I left Windows because it is absolutely not designed for creative people.

[@raffitchakmakjian]

@@nicolasb.henry294 "creative people"...

[@robertp457]

@@nicolasb.henry294 What a vague pointless post. It's whatever you want it to be and you can fix and upgrade the computers yourself.

[@yanushkowalsky1402]

@@nicolasb.henry294 so people need white rounded edges with a $2999 price tag to be creative?

[@billx4266]

@@nicolasb.henry294 take your pills because what you are saying is complete and utter rubbish

[@jerrywu6337]

With M4 max price at around US$3,600 for the 14" 1TB storage. It's still make sense to build a PC with 9900x and 4080 super, 2GB of corsair mp700 pro gen5 m.2 and 32" 4K OLED monitor. The only downside of PC is portability, so if someone travel often, i think m4 max is still a beast.

[@axelbuecker3678]

There is one other thing you have completely overlooked IMO ... that is the NOISE and HEAT PROFILE. These days, I only use the PC desktop for gaming time with the 3090 card ... but when that card cranks up, it sounds like a jet. On top of that, 2 hours of gaming and my room gained a temperature increase of 5 degrees LOL. Working throughout the day on the Apple silicon MacBook Pro is a bliss of quietness, low temperatures, and performance (almost) without end. I'll never go back to using a Windows desktop professionally.

[@kencollins1186]

I had a desktop PC that ran Windows. It was so noisy I could not use it if anyone else was trying to sleep and it also made a dandy space heater. So much functionality in one package!

[@chrisvig123]

You won’t be gaming on it…big difference

[@owen-trombone]

@@chrisvig123 there are plenty of games for Mac

[@Teluric2]

Sounding like a jet is better if is gonna make me cut time on work.

[@Teluric2]

​@@kencollins1186your desktop was cheap because mine sometimes I dont know if its on. I have a noctus cooler.

[@Drumaier]

I'm up to date when it comes to windows pc hardware performance, and I thought laptops, of any kind, couldn't get anywhere near high end desktops. So watching this video was a surreal experience and I can only think about "where is the catch?". A laptop as good or better than a 9900x and 3080? incredible.

[@DeepteshLovesTECH]

Catch : 4000 pound minimum with 1TB ssd.

[@RunForPeace-hk1cu]

@@DeepteshLovesTECH If you have to worry about the price, chance are, you aren't making money off your laptop. People who need that kinda of power on the go are usually people who make their living off with their laptop.

[@DeepteshLovesTECH]

@@RunForPeace-hk1cu Make sense. For the same price, you can get both 4070Ti PC (2000 usd) and a 4080M (2200 usd) laptop.

[@kaptnwelpe5322]

@@RunForPeace-hk1cu Those who are making money off their workstation or servers - would those switch to Apple? Which doesn't even offer anything in those classes...

[@JojoJoget]

@@kaptnwelpe5322well workhorses get abused and components need to be replaced so probably not

[@asafblasbergvideographer]

M4 Ultra will be amazing.

[@asafblasbergvideographer]

Basically M4 Max GPU performance using Resolve is equivalent to RTX 4070 Ti from my internal testing. The M2 Ultra does have better GPU performance.

[@lukabosnjak3829]

@@asafblasbergvideographer Exactly, and now imagine an M4 extreme (4 x M4 max) as a... one more thing announcement, literally would have potential to beat the rtx 5090 in its game

[@asafblasbergvideographer]

@@lukabosnjak3829 Can't wait! :)

[@RealDKuz]

I’m hearing that M4 ultra will be its own chip and not two Maxs fused together. M4 chips don’t have that magic strip that could be used to fuse two chips together anymore ;)

[@asafblasbergvideographer]

Yes! I’m going to wait until M4 Ultra and see the test results then :)

[@LivingMidnight]

The price is also insane. Seriously, I would love an M4 max chip for productivity and local AI but only if money weren't a concern.

[@DeepteshLovesTECH]

For context: The old M2 Pro has a total die size of 289mm2, the 7950X released in the same year has a die size which is half of the M2 Pro and performed 2x as much. I don't think PC chip makers will ever make "APUs" like Apple - simply because they don't need to and it also doesn't make sense "economically". AMD got clobbered by PC users when they released a 330 usd 8700G 🤣 Now image if any PC user will purchase a 1000 usd chip, if AMD even dared to make an APU like that. Apple is able to do this because of the market they cater to, the end product and services they sell. The M4 Max probably has a die size of 500mm2+

[@PKperformanceEU]

What are you yapping about x86fanboy. AMD is nowhere close to Apple, imagine calling out a SoC vs standalone CPU in terms of size🤡🤡 Accept the truth apple and Aarch64 is better And move on. Strix point halo is coming but it will be crushed the day its released. M4max >9950X>285K M4max >150+w 4080m SPEC2017 and SPEC hpc2021 back up my claims Both the gold standard benchmark suites!

[@teapouter]

@@PKperformanceEU What an Apple sheep. "Muh Apple GPU performance hurr durr" 4090 goes vrooooooom I like how this video doesn't even use the 7950X because we all know that Apple can't compete with that, let alone Threadripper or Threadripper pro "That's not fair, muh pricing" Complaining about prices when you defend Apple? You sure about that? Try it

[@DeepteshLovesTECH]

@@PKperformanceEU Strix Point Halo won't make any difference. AMD has the worst software pipeline for application support. Apart from CPU performance, they have nothing else. You are not considering that 9950x+4090 (released more than two years ago) together will crush an M4 Max for half the cost and leave you with enough money to purchase a top of the line RTX 4070 laptop (for casual gaming and work). I am not even going to get into ARM vs x86 comparison - PCs are not just for premiere pro and photo editing.

[@PKperformanceEU]

@@DeepteshLovesTECH m4 max wins in compile, scientific HPC computing, math physics name it. There s notin u will do about it Apple wins

[@PKperformanceEU]

@ cope harder windows x86 sheep Mac wins Aarch64 wins

[@digitaldevigner4080]

The ironic thing for a a lot of Mac users is they are starting to feel they really don't need this much power. Some are still on M1 Pro, Max or Ultra systems and feel they do 100% of everything they need them to do. While this extra power is amazing and mind blowing there are also very few apps and tasks that really take full advantage of it. The important take away from all of this is that really there is no longer an advantage or disadvantage of either platform. Both are equally capable in the right hands. One does some tasks better while the other other does other tasks better. For the most part however they are both within spitting distance of each other.

[@Thevikingcam]

Yea with media engines on M4 are lighting fast BUT when we are looking the RAW power of the CPU and GPUs, well then we got problems. But that been said i did let go of my 5950X/4080 PC for the base M4 so hehehehe....

[@SW-lw6mt]

There's a reason why Nvidia tried to buy ARM, they could see the writing on the wall. Data centres using their GPUs wouldn't have to buy a power plant just to run their GPUs. Nvidia's ARM CPUs are going to be interesting, maybe they'll improve gaming across the ARM ecosystem.

[@robbe4711]

Apple smokes the competition. They had the guts changing the CPU two times in the history of the company and design their own. This is why intel and amd are producing more heat than innovation.

[@kurt9395]

Three times. First Macs were Motorola 680X0, then on to AIM (Apple-IBM-Motorola) PowerPC, then to Intel, and hopefully for the last time to Apple Silicon. Every time, there were things left behind that you had that you could no longer run. And that's not counting the changes to the OS environment like when they went from Classic MacOS to MacOS X or when they made it so you could not longer run 32-bit x86 applications. Such is life in Apple land.

[@Andrew-tl9gk]

They literally produce more heat 😂 any graphics card is bigger than a M4 mini that also contains a power supply and this is because their graphics cards are 90% fan and 10% chip lmao

[@kirkschilling583]

They smoke the competition in the laptop market. That's basically it. For 3D content and AI performance they are far behind. Prices are rediculous.

[@kencollins1186]

Apple did this before when they worked with IBM and Motorola to make the PowerPC CPU, which was a.RISC chip. Of course, Intel ran circles around the PowerPC, which is why Apple made Apple Silicon with the instruction set licensed from ARM and the silicon designed by Apple, and the chip with an integrated GPU and memory.

[@kurt9395]

@@kencollins1186 It was a bit more complicated than that. The problem was that each member of the AIM coalition had different priorities. Motorola's main focus was CPU's for cell phones which was big for them at the time. IBM's bread and butter was their server business with their PowerPC RS/6000 series. Apple was the only one using PowerPC for consumers, aside from game consoles, and given Mac marketshare, they couldn't drive the design changes that would benefit them. Intel, for their part, responded to the RISC threat with what was frankly a marketing gimmick, i.e. stretching instruction pipelines to enable higher clock speeds since most people back then associated clock speed with overall CPU performance. Annoyed that AIM's priorities were elsewhere, Steve Jobs reputedly told the CEO of Motorola, "I can't wait until we don't need you anymore." which sounds like classic Jobs. Fun fact: Apple was an early investor in ARM Holdings and used an ARM CPU in the ill-fated Apple Newton.

[@froctavio]

Thanks for this review. I have been looking around for reviews and reading lots of people comments about previous M3, M2 and M1 Macs for 3D work like Blender, Maya , Houdini and while the majority of people agreed that for rendering these M based Macs are incredible, many comments pointed out that the viewport experience of actually working with complex scenes wasn't as good as their PC machines with RTX cards. Since most of the reviews only focus on the rendering aspects of these new chips, I am wondering if it would be possible to do a test of navigating inside of a heavy scene of any of the major 3D software's. Many of the comments from people are from the past few years, so it is possible that new updates might have fixed the performance, specially with softwares like Blender that gets updated often in contrast to other softwares releases. But it would be great if we can get tests that also showcases the overall experience of how snappy the viewport is with heavier scenes. Specially since these machines are quite expensive. I really would like to make sure I am making the right purchasing decision over an Windows based laptop machine like the Asus proArt 16 that I have been eyeing for some time. Thanks for all your work. Cheers :)

[@Paul-jb6rk]

I would think the M4 Max should do fine. Apple does have a good returns policy. If you’re not happy you can just take it back.

[@kencollins1186]

@@Paul-jb6rk You can take it back no questions asked within 14 days, and you get your money back.

[@DS-pk4eh]

So this mac is 3699USD, and to build a lets say, AMD 9950x based workstation with 10Gb LAN, so premium parts, you will pay around 3200USD. If you go for cheaper case, motherboard, power supply, memory and ssd you can save around 400-500. With Mac, you get also a screen, keyboard and mouse pad. And portability. Its actually really not bad, And power usage, its awesome.

[@nickd7935]

when the M4 Max Mac studio comes out we can compare desktop to desktop, I'd expect the M4 Max mac studio with similar config to the laptop to be around $2700. Thats a lot more comparable.

[@DS-pk4eh]

@@nickd7935 Yes, surely. As long as you do not need to upgrade, you are spot on. But even now, its basically a better buy, as long as you do not need to upgrade.

[@Noobmaster._.69]

Imo MacBooks are really the only apple products which are mind blowing and worth the hype and price (leaving behind the ram upgrade prices)

[@graysonpeddie]

Honestly, I don't see AMD, Intel, and NVIDIA competing with Apple M4 CPUs in terms of power consumption. Reducing power consumption in any of the Intel/AMD CPUs and AMD/NVIDIA GPUs would meant detcreasing performance. Put in a couple of Apple Studios with M4 Ultra CPUs and these Macs would smoke even the fastest CPUs/GPUs when it comes to setting up a Blender render farm. :)

[@karthikeyan53]

Not only that. Compare the die size of M chips with the chips of Intel, AMD. The difference is very very huge. Apple can earn money through software sides but Intel and AMD can't do that. That's why Intel and AMD didn't compete with m series chips with power consumption because they have to increase die size which is not economical for them.

[@Cacophaton]

The 16" M4 max version starts at 4700€ lol. Can you please explain to me why you're so astonished that a laptop costing more than twice what would be considered a high-end desktop build does better than said desktop ? If you go for 64gb ram and 2to SSD, it goes up to 5389€, you can have THREE desktop PCs with similar specs for that price

[@cobratom666]

For 2500-3000€ You can get PC with Ultra 7 265K, RTX 4070 Ti Super, 64GB RAM and 2 TB SSD. This will be faster than M4Max. Not mentioning if you want to upgrade to 128 RAM and 4TB SSD. In PC You will pay extra 450€, in M4 Max 1600€

[@Sanchuniathon384]

@@cobratom666when you have money you buy both. The M4 Max is for people who want that portability and desktop power.

[@renzo4589]

Its better just because you can put in your back ! try to put your computer. And how energy you save per year.

[@boskee]

​@@cobratom666 You forgot the motherboard, keyboard, mouse, 4k 120hz monitor, power supply, the case and the Windows licence. And then there's the issue of the form factor and portability. Something that costs - a lot. Show us another machine that can do it at that performance-per-watt ratio. Hope that helps. Also, the 16" M4 Max starts at 4149.00€*

[@Llyonard]

Too hard to understand, 5k you can put a 4080mobile probably. Really i hope apple gives them money

[@windshearDK]

there are keyboard shortcuts for doing the window juggle thing you wanted, in the window option->move and resize they are all visualized. Custom keyboard shortcuts can be made per app which has been in the OS for some time, can be set in the sys settings->keyboard->keyboard shortcuts->->app shortcuts

[@kaptnwelpe5322]

Rendering? Where time is money? Workstation. Threadripper pays for itself... . Same as for AI. There is a reason why the RTX Axxxx line exists (as entry level for those tasks).

[@slomnim]

unless you travel constantly and "workstation" is not an option, then, it seems quite viable

[@armatheos]

@@slomnim if you job is rendering you not have travel job.

[@prateekparbat]

@@slomnimnope the rtx machines still roasts apple silicons especially for AI / machine learning and blender is where M series completely fails to perform wrt to RTX machines.

[@celdur4635]

@@slomnim You can even access your machine at home when you are traveling, you know this?

[@77dris]

@@prateekparbat I guess you didn't watch the video. The M4 Max basically matched or beat all the RTX desktops.

[@itiswhatitis-yes]

I would love to have the portability of this absolute beast!!!

[@K4miSama]

It's good but costs an arm and a leg for higher storage & ram. I can get similar performance for less than half of its price with huge ram & storage in windows side.

[@JacobGagoOfficial]

Thank you for posting this this week

[@shamimurrahaman4576]

Hey Tech notice! Can you compare the M4 Max VS Asus ProArt Studiobook 16 2023 Model Please! I Really want to see the comparison! 😊 Hopefully you can Compare it Soon!

[@J-Kimble]

Comparing different instruction sets on different OSes is a bit apples to oranges. That being said, the diff in this case does translate to real-world usecases so impressive results.

[@The_Penguin_City]

Put the cost of that laptop on a desktop workstation with xeon or threadriper processors and we will see. 😺

[@PowBro]

I bought the M3 Max with 36GB RAM and 1TB SSD, and while it was pricey, this laptop is something else. I mostly do mobile game development, and while it can heat up sometimes-especially with Unity eating up a lot of RAM-the overall quality is fantastic, especially the battery life.

[@RobloxianX]

I dont think people realize how insane 128GB of RAM on a Laptop is. 64GB was considered the upper limit for years as SODIMMs could only support 32GB per stick. DDR5 has got laptops like the Dell XPS 17 up to 96GB, but no further. This is a gamechanger, a true desktop replacement. MacBook Pros went from glorified iPads to literal 4080 killers. The power of Apple Silicon

[@theIfrit552]

Weird, that you don't see anyone hating Apple and praising some Chinese prototype phone with results like these... Wonder why.

[@wisdomyaw03]

Really impressive! One thing you must know about the Premier Pro Puget benchmark is that it uses the old Intel version on the Mac, which has to be translated through Rosseta 2, hence the slower performance. Using Davinci Resolve Puget benchmark truly exhibits the M4 Max’s performance.

[@theTechNotice]

I don't think you're right in there! I believe it uses the native version for MAC?!

[@wisdomyaw03]

@@theTechNoticeNo! It doesn’t. Premier Pro still uses the Intel versions for the Puget benchmark. This is something that a lot of people who use it for testing know about. Maybe you can do a little research about it, or even ask some of your KZbin creator friends. Cheers 🎉

[@SamHocking]

I've seen DR tests where M4 Pro is slower than an M1 Max. It all depends on what test

[@landscape1570]

@@theTechNoticeI confirm too that it uses the older emulated version of Premiere Pro, so maybe that’s why you see a big difference compared to DaVinci Resolve

[@theTechNotice]

Answered: confirmed with Pugetsystems, Pugetbench is using Native version of PP!

[@danimacPuerto]

Muy interesante el vídeo, gracias por poner el audio en Español ❤

[@giannisvlahos1354]

These tests have no point actually. Who buys a PC with gtx4090? For gaming in high resolutions offcourse. You told about the consuption difference but you forgot to tell if a gamer can play his games in his multiple high resolution and high frame rate screens with this laptop. Offcourse not. I mean this beast should be tested with the upcoming arm technology laptops and not with a gaming machine because in games becomes a small kitty.

[@gabrielegelfofx]

Unfortunately the most used and professional 3d apps aren't available for MacOS: 3ds Max, Solidworks, Ansys, CATIA, Alias, Creo, Inventor, Siemens NX, Revit and D5. Many CUDA based renderers weren't converted for Metal. I think that for "heavy" compositing and video editing the Mac Book Pro is the best laptop available now but for 3d I would buy an Asus ProArt because you can plug an external gpu through the Thunderbolt port and leave the internal gpu working only for the display. I don't think you can leave a Mac Book Pro rendering for 24/7 days without melt fans, keyboard and ruin the battery. My Threadripper/Xeons/Nvidia cpus/gpus never reach 75°C while rendering 24/7. For video editing a Mac Book Pro M4 PRO is enough, the MAX version is not for 3d.

[@retrocomputing]

For 24/7 there is Mac studio

[@Paul-jb6rk]

If you’re running 24/7 you would have it plugged in so battery will not get used at all. No Mac’s don’t melt, but it would run louder than a desktop. Wait for Mac Studio updates.

[@erikwallebom]

Autodesk Fusion is available for MacOS. I used Solidworks before but switched to Fusion (on my Windows PC). So I am very tempted to buy a Macbook Pro and use it for Fusion.

[@molnargyula4961]

I was going to write something like this too. I would add that this "power" only lasts until you have to do serious 3D work. Run Unreal Engine 5 and you will quickly realize how "powerful" that CPU and GPU are. Especially since almost all mainstream software supports Nvida CUDA. This video is very informative....

[@bovineox1111]

@@molnargyula4961it will run just fine. It’s not. 4090 but as game devs we shouldn’t be targeting 4090, according to steam survey 3060 is about the median gpu. Also UE running poorly on Mac is mostly a UE thing and I’ve never had it be stable for me in windows tbh

[@Bongoakena]

Been vacillating between MSi Creator 16 ai, Asus ProArt p16, and now this MBP 16 M4 max to replace my 2021 asus proart studiobook 16. Will be using for Archicad, blender, sketchup, ue5, photoshop and indesign. You have made my decison alot easier. Thank you good Sir. MBP M4 max with 64gb ram and 1 tb ssd it is!😅

[@davidbeard7262]

Nice comparison. no need for two decimal places precision on the scores; they're meaningless.

[@DanRustle]

the max isnt even the M4s final form. wait till the ultra comes out. this is what makes apple #1 and keeps them, #1

[@christopher3d475]

No doubt Apple is going to release the M4 Ultra. That'll be super interesting to do a similar comparison given the higher power draw it will undoubtedly use.

[@yupickmyusername]

And the insane memory bandwith, M2 Ultra has double the memory bandwith than M2 Max, so in theory, M4 Ultra could reach near 1TB/s

[@robertp457]

Was there a M3 Ultra?

[@healingheart333]

Ok, it's great for creators and I believe it. Has apple fixed the problem with how they solder in the ssd? I have heard of numerous reports that mac books will brick over time. They are built so that there is one part that has a high failure rate, and since there is no SSD protection, full battery voltage is sent to the SSD destroying all information on it. It won't even turn on since the part that is shorted has drained the whole system and destroyed the bios within the system. Not good. Until Apple releases some kind of notice that they have redesigned this, they could manufacture the best CPU in the world and I wouldn't buy it.

[@assasin101011]

I can't stand Mac users sometimes. When it comes to specs, they’re quick to start trash-talking without really understanding the differences between macOS and PCs. But when I talk to PC users, they usually admit that Macs are good just with some 'buts.' Meanwhile, Mac users often trash PCs like it's some kind of competition. I don’t understand where they get that mentality; maybe they feel like they’re elite or something.

[@nuxxdk]

Curious… in my experience it’s more often self professed PC users bashing on Macs for being “overpriced for their spec” - Mac users typically are just enthusiastic about their own choices seldom overly concerned with PC hardware at all. I actually can’t even recall anecdotal evidence of Mac users boasting about specs - because we all know Macs are more expensive spec vs cost wise… Mac users typically boast about battery life, usability/trackpad and real world performance figures… which are not “specs” but utility.

[@kencollins1186]

We get that mentality because Windows users rarely used Macs, Mac users used MacOS at home and Windows at work, so they knew what they were talking about. Ironically, Windows is a MacOS knock-off, since MacOS (then called "System") was two years old when Windows came out.

[@nuxxdk]

@ as a macuser since ‘85 I don’t think that historical nitpicking has much validity… both OS’es have borrowed heavily from one another over the years…

[@digitaldevigner4080]

I have seen the opposite almost daily for well over a decade. Most Mac users I know pretty much keep to themselves. They tend to not be spec nerds that search for a fight. I'm not saying there may not be some out there but statistically if you look at the percentage of Windows users vs Mac users it kind of accurate to think they may be more negative Windows users bashing Macs. Just based on the sheer volume of users and how many of them are into the technical aspect of building computers and getting the most bang for the buck. A lot of Mac users may not even be able to tell you what the heck is in their machines. If you ask them they just say something like the 2019 one or whatever. What I have noticed for over a decade is just the fact that people are na coffee shop with a Mac seems to anger some PC users. Just seeing that Apple logo seems to trigger anger for whatever reason. I think they feel the users are being arrogant and elitists just by being there. It's a lot of very strange negativity. Hey I use both and it's all pointless toxic consumerism at the end of the day. People should care more about their own lives and future and not what gadgets and tools people use. To each their own.

[@iLegionaire3755]

@@kencollins1186And MacOS knocked off Xerox.

[@ianollmann9393]

I have a AMD 9950 / RTX 4070 TI super at home (with 9 fans) and an Apple laptop. We don’t heat this side of the house much. If I am using the laptop, I freeze my butt off. If the PC is in use, the room gets quite toasty and comfy! No heat required! I think because of this, you’ll need to buy both machines just so you are set for all season use. However, if you are green like me, then get some fingerless gloves, a wool cap and a warm coat, and maybe a blanket. I also have an electric foot warmer heating pad for the coldest months. The Apple laptop fans don’t come on much.

[@Agent4OuRights]

Another factor, you can't easily fix the MacBook. If your storage or ram dies, bye bye bye. If your life depends on your computer and you don't need to take it with you; desktop all day.

[@testtest8399]

That is the biggest problem with all newer Apple products, it's fucking amazing until it isn't. I mean for regular people not much difference, but for someone who knows their way around a PC its a problem, while chance of RAM dying is low it's never 0 and being able to replace it yourself for like 1/10th of Apple price is nice. Amazing what they did, but they took away the little repairability that was left on laptops, puff completely gone. The rest will follow their lead and soon absolutely nothing will be left that you can upgrade yourself. What you want to upgrade from 8GB RAM to 16GB? That will be 1499€.

[@kencollins1186]

I have no motivation to diddle around inside a computer, even if it is "reparable." When I had PCs, I used to do that, and the results weren't all that happy. It is very easy to get Macs repaired if you have Apple Care, which even I can afford on Social Security. One time I cleaned my screen with alcohol. The Apple Store replaced the screen for free, even though they were supposed to charge for it..I guess that was because I was polite and not screaming.

[@pmarreck]

true. get a Framework laptop!

[@hassansaem2032]

Not really man. Applecare covers it if you buy it. It's only 200 something

Nice video! it will be interesting to see this laptop working on a real workload scenario, benchmarks are a good start, but it is only the tip of the iceberg.

[@MichaelMarshall53]

As a 3D professional this is the first time Apple has caught my attention. Their CPUs are great but I need GPU power and Apple seems to have caught up for the most part.

[@kamil_hassan]

Wait for the Mac studio with m4 max or ultra chip .

[@CraigCruden]

@@kamil_hassan Or if they finally release the M4 Extreme chip in the Mac Pro (rumoured to make it's appearance this time around). There was suppose to be an M1 Extreme chip but it was never delivered, probably because of scaling issues after the M1 Max, the M2 Ultra fixed that, now maybe they will finally make that big beast of a boy. (yes, the Ultra should even be more of a beast this time around as they are making it it's own chip instead of 2 M4 Max chips 'glued together'... if the Extreme arrives it would likely be 2 Ultra Chips 'glued together'.

[@Andrew-tl9gk]

I use the M2 Max for Unreal dev on epic settings and it runs like a charm! I am excited for Raytracing that came with M3 and M4… Also the upcoming M4 Ultra will beat the 4090 😱

[@MichaelMarshall53]

@@Andrew-tl9gk I'm currently running a 4090 on my desktop PC. I'll gladly downgrade a little for mobility.

[@iLegionaire3755]

@@Andrew-tl9gk Man that’s amazing. I was specifically considering Apple Silicon for Unreal Engine 5. Looks like that’s the right idea.

[@TheCarGuyOnline]

Thanks for the review. One thing I would love to see you add to your reviews would be a real world video editing experience and timeline performance. The Puget benchmark is very hard to determine where things do well and where they don’t with regard to actual workflows. For example, I’ve never really cared about my export or encoding time at the end because I spend hours editing the video in timeline with effects etc., but when I actually render, I typically walk away, get some water and it might be done when I come back regardless of the system.

[@theTechNotice]

Have you seen any of my real world timeline performance tests like we did with M3 Max and all the devices: kzbin.infoGWZPCkoAO80?feature=share

[@TheCarGuyOnline]

@@theTechNoticeHmm that one is for Premier...which I don't use. Any Davinci real world type vids like that? I suppose I can dig in to the puget systems spreadsheet eventually and try to correlate what I use most to what might be best too :).

[@kalle5548]

Now they just have to work on software compatibility, no use having all the performance in the world if it doesn't even boot the application :/

[@kencollins1186]

You remind me of the time years ago when I bought software that said "Windows is not compatible with this software," so run it on MS-DOS." Nevertheless, Apple is making developer tools to address this problem.

[@GoldPunch]

Watching on this with my M1 Max 16'' MBP. And I started to jealous new max chips. 😌

[@DaveEtchells]

The M4 really surprised me, I was expecting just another incremental advancement like the M3. It seems like the M4 is a whole new ballgame. (About to pull the trigger on a maxed-out configuration for running local LLMs for real work.)

[@intr0spectrum]

Imagine creating a laptop that goes head to head with these desktops, but using 3-5 times less power. The achievement of that engineering feat can't be stated enough, simply because it shouldn't be possible ! We're talking about different weigh classes, still the "same" performance ...

[@hookyhook]

So this comparison is kinda weird. Towards the end of the video, an M4 Max is 10-22% slower than that of a desktop equipped with an RTX 4070 in Blender. Am I the only one to notice that the 16core M4 Max is minimum $3999? And we all know that if you spec it with 64GB of RAM & 2TB SSD, you're looking at about $4900 after taxes. Building a PC with an RTX 4070 should cost around $1600, and that's what we're comparing?!? Also, did we totally forget the inherit value of x86 processors compared to ARM? (Such as, gaming, compatibility, servers, etc.) There are so many things that this video doesn't really address, and I find it upsetting that the audience watching aren't given the full scope of the picture, while on top of everything, having comparisons that favors the Apple chips. Disclaimer: I applaud Apple for their new chips. They're great for their use case scenarios,. They're power efficient. Their SoC is top-notch in the industry. However, when price is in consideration, they are slower than the competition, yet costs a lot more. They're slower than a 4080/4090, and Nvidia is planning on releasing the new 5080/5090 very soon. Why is this fact not considered in the comparison? I have no idea, but it just seems weird to me that we're comparing the recently released M4 Max chip against the RTX 4000 series GPU, which was released in Oct 2022. And not even the top of line RTX4090, which would be similar in price point.

[@SamHocking]

You don't buy Apple if you're doing serious 3D and AI work, it's kind of Nvidia's market that.

[@owen-trombone]

Not sure if you noticed, but the MacBook Pro is a laptop.

[@SamHocking]

@@owen-trombone True, but there isn't really a mobile/desktop divide with Apple, everything is essentially an Ipad just in different form factors.

[@owen-trombone]

@@SamHocking Not sure what you mean by that. Yes you can get more powerful desktops. But you can’t use them on a train or a plane or on a beach.

[@S1eepers]

pretty sure he didnt use a 4060 because it also would beat it and that would be embarrassing 😝

[@andreafranco6857]

Great video! Super interested to see a comparison between the 48GB vs 128GB RAM

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

M4 has entered the chat

[@iceefrags8770]

what would be really interesting for power consumption comparison, is not so much electricity prices, but the m4 max or pro running a game over rosetta 2 and game porting toolkit, vs an x86 pc laptop with similar specs and battery capacity, and how long they can sustain running for

[@kencollins1186]

Can you use a PC on your lap in a train or on a plane?

[@iceefrags8770]

@@kencollins1186 yes

[@jaralara6429]

Apple try not to make every reviewer look like a paid shill challenge: impossible (they're just that far ahead at this point)

[@virtualshift]

It would be interesting if you did the video editing test inside of Final Cut Pro on the M4 Mac as well, just to show how are compares to the other video editing software.

[@thecivilalchemist]

M4 Ultra gonna be nuts

[@LiamGandTech]

Was core isolation off for the windows test? If its on it can heavily impact performance of Amd chips I’ve heard🧐

[@paulgault5350]

Not sure if it's because your an Apple fan boy, but your numbers for the 9900X are atrocious and incorrect. I have the 9900X and have ran several cinebench R24 benchmarks and I can't get mine to produce numbers anywhere close to your low numbers. My scores for 9900X are all above the M4 max that you showed, so you have crippled your processor just to get views for Apple. Shame on you

[@bovineox1111]

The higher gpu core Max M4 Studio will be a beast at what $2599, granted you can get a 4090 rig for that - I’m not sure it will be as fast other than on the GPU side

[@UsmanAli-mk4qg]

No, we do not need this much power in a laptop. It's ridiculously expensive. A desktop PC offers much better value for money. Keep the MacBook Air for mobile work and build a PC for your everyday tasks.

[@DanielNeubauer]

Some people need it

[@lukabosnjak3829]

Well here, you can own 1 laptop and a monitor...

[@notaregard]

Having one machine has more advantages and ends up being around the same price.

[@DanielNeubauer]

@@notaregardi agree. The only downside is that you don’t have a spare machine in case one breaks, but I still prefer the one machine solution.

[@FaridRudiansyah]

Will be nice if use visual chart, not just a number. Will be easier if the column name have consistent position.

[@speedXchess]

So what I understand is that: M4 Max (CPU) = AMD 9900x (consume 5x less power) M4 Max (GPU) = RTX 4070 (consume 10x less power) It's safe to say that the M6 Max will perform like the RTX 5090.

[@DeepteshLovesTECH]

Nothing is for free. M4 Max cost = 2.25x (9900X + 4070).

[@segundacuenta726]

@@DeepteshLovesTECH comparing laptop to desktop. Try comparing it to another high end laptop.

[@charlievarley]

The m4 ultra should be out in the 2nd quarter of next year. It often doubles the speed of everything. It's essentially 2 m4 max chips working together. There has been a rumour of an extreme variant, too, that is 4x max.

[@segundacuenta726]

@@charlievarley that ultra and hydra or whatever it is called, will be insane but probably very expensive and very few people be able to afford it (with lots of ram). However there are people who make money with such machines and it may compete in value with traditional workstations since high end cpus and gpus are very expensive as well. For the rest, we like to watch XD

[@charlievarley]

@DeepteshLovesTECH when the mac studio gets the max and ultra chips, the price starts at $2k and $4k for the ultra. I think that is quite competitive for a desktop.

[@PhotoJohn80]

Very impressive. I would highly consider one if I worked on the road a ton but I’d still prefer desktop PC for repairability for most of my work.

[@kencollins1186]

I, for one, am not willing or able to repair computers. The disadvantage of PCs for me is that there are no PC stores on every street corner that could fix my hypothetical PC with a short turnaround,, and there is no PC Care+ to make the repairs free.

[@PhotoJohn80]

@ Apple + is not free.

[@kencollins1186]

@@PhotoJohn80 No computer repair is free. Even if you do it yourself, you have to buy the parts.

[@kencollins1186]

@@PhotoJohn80 This is a problem how? Are replacement parts for PCs free?

[@PhotoJohn80]

@ Dude Apple + is a separate purchase from the laptop itself. It is not free.

[@PKperformanceEU]

Cant wait to receive my m4pro! For the viewers keep in mind, M4max is faster than 9950X and 285K both ST MT in the gold standard SPEC2017 and SPEC HPC2021

[@asdprogram]

x86's days are numbered

[@PaulRoneClarke]

X86 is dollar for dollar now about 40% behind risc/arm. And the gap is widening. In five years x86 could become completely irrelevant if they don’t do something dramatic to improve their performance. I suspect they won’t and that we are in the last days of x86

[@DeepteshLovesTECH]

Wait but how? I agree AMD 9000 and Intel 200 generation hasn't been all that but "X86 is dollar for dollar now about 40% behind risc/arm"?? In what world? You can build a 285K or 9950X system with an RTX 4090(which is 2 years old at this point) for much less than the cheapest M4 Max, not to mention the flexibility of upgrading parts seperately.

[@PaulRoneClarke]

@ Sorry, my bad. I mean production cost and performance. Wasn’t clear with that. Apple can make an M4 for about the same price as a 9700X. Yes they choose to charge much, much more for it. But that’s because people will gladly pay for it. If it came to a price war Apple, have a load of margin they “could” sacrifice. But they don’t need to at the moment. Worse. X86 could not reach the raw performance of M chips if they wanted to. And definitely not at the power and thermals M chips run at. I maintain that unless a miracle occurs…X86 is doomed. Windows will increasingly support none X86 formats going forward.

[@piotrd.4850]

As long as software that matters is available on X86_64 and not overgrown phone chips.....

[@PaulRoneClarke]

@@piotrd.4850 The Acorn Archimedes enters the chat. :)

[@kencollins1186]

Apple doesn't use ARM chips. They licensed the ARM instruction set and designed their own silicon around it; hence the name "Apple Silicon." If other manufacturers switch to ARM chips, without creating a system on a chip, they will still be behind. I have heard two rumors: one is that an M5 chip is impossible and the other that M5 chips are in the works. I'm betting on the latter. If there ever are M5 chips, they will be stupendous.

[@halgari]

Why no tests with a 4090? "Absolute beast hard to beat"...this is wrong. Because you didn't even test the best GPU with GPU benchmarks.

[@ThinLineMedia]

Also don't forget that 4090 is already 2 years old but will still smoke the M4 Max

[@AlyxSharkBite-2000]

So it looks like the M4 Max GPU is about the same as a 4070 (Desktop) which is amazing and the M4 Ultra should be in a range of the 790XTX & 4090 but an the cpu will be insane.

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

it consumes less than a 10th the power

[@alpenfoxvideo7255]

@@JohnSmith-pn2vlI don’t really care about the power, that equates to 10$ a year. If I could have an M4 clocked at 400W to have double the performance of the one at 50w I would get it

[@joseteixeira5900]

M4 Ultra in Mac Studio is listening this conversation😁…hold my 🍺

[@Andrew-tl9gk]

M4 Ultra will beat 4090

[@alpenfoxvideo7255]

@@Andrew-tl9gk ehh, seeing the M4 max being 20% less powerful than a 4070 desktop I doubt it, but we’ll see I’m more towards the M4 Max on his single die

[@tripledotmakers7879]

Good work as always. Did you try it in After Effects?

[@denizahmet2299]

So basically when the M5 Ultra comes along the PC is probably done for. Don't also forget you get a stunning screen as well.

[@frankwong9486]

People say PHP is dead, java is dead Yes and they still exist ATM 😂

[@SamHocking]

I doubt it, Intel hold 62% of the processor market, AMD 35% and Apple / TSMC 3%.

[@kaptnwelpe5322]

For sure. The x64 Workstation and Server Vendors are closing soon... 😂😂😂

[@logirex]

Apple has actually lost market share down from 9.5% to 7.7% in the PC market (2024 vs 2023). People probably don't like the upselling from Apple or that you can't upgrade anything once you bought the machine.

[@DeepteshLovesTECH]

Bruh, there are usecases other than just photo and video editing.

[@vampritt]

its an absolute beast... until you drop it and the apple genius say it cant be repaired and you need to buy another one. so true

[@haploguy]

don't drop it, apple care. skill issue

[@InnerFire6213]

or it burns out in 2 years if you use it in actual production work because the thermal design is just stupid and inadequate. when they tell you you're out 2500$ for simply using their 'pro' product as intended that's enough to swear you off of any apple product ever

[@VossProject]

@@haploguy Not purchasing appleCare for a device like this is simply silly. That's like driving your car without car insurance?

[@kencollins1186]

I have a friend who tried to break his MacBook because he wanted a justification for a PC. He had to throw it violently down several times and only got a crack on the screen. His replacement PC is fragile plastic. Macs are built so the Apple Geniuses have less work to do.

[@InnerFire6213]

@@kencollins1186 your friend was probably dropped as an infant. To kill a macbook you just need to open the lid all the way 180 degrees. That’s it.

[@musiccreation1198]

In my experience, the extremely poor resale value of PCs vs Mac should be considered. Macs hold their value far far better.

[@owen-trombone]

Durability should also be a factor for consideration. I have a 2015 MacBook Pro that still works perfectly. PC laptops start to slow and die off after just three or four years. They are a joke.

[@karthikeyan53]

Because PC parts gets better every year. GTX 1070 perform as same as GTX 980 ti. RTX 2070 perform as same as GTX 1080ti RTX 3070 performs the same as RTX 2080ti. Forget about RTX 4000 they are shit. Improvements in PC parts are actually very very good compared to Macs. So, purchasing an old GPU for 20% discount from MSRP has actually no value because new cards perform better at lower prices. So, prices of old cards drop a lot. This case not same for MacBook.

[@kencollins1186]

Apple will let you reduce the cost of a new Mac by trading in your old one. I did that once. Which PC manufacturer takes trade-ins? I might consider that manufacturer if it exists.

[@karthikeyan53]

@@kencollins1186 Mac is full pc of Apple. So they exchange it. On the PC side, everything is separate parts from different manufacturers. It's not possible for them to exchange a even single GPU manufactured by multiple brands.

[@pmarreck]

I have one. With 128GB. I friggin LOVE it. Plus the dark grey is HOT. Can run the better locally-running LLM’s, even windows gaming via crossover is very doable.

[@lifeoflentrail]

watching on my m3 max macbook pro

[@markosz22]

Pretty impressive. Finally Apple has moved on from offering the same hardware as any other laptop for 2x price to offering something unique with actual benefit for 2-3x price :D

[@abulka]

Yet games still struggle on Macs despite all this power?

[@summertyme5748]

This videos are all useless to me - they are always done by KZbin “creators” who benchmark everything as if video editing is the only use for any computer. I have a 3 year old Mac but no longer can buy them because their switch to Apple Silicon makes it useless for running thousands of intel based programs. I don’t care how fast you can edit a 4K video. Now I’ back to buying PC/Intel only.

[@DerAlibi]

Have you watched ANY benchmarks at all? I have yet to see a game that works through Crossover "struggle" in any sense of the word on the Max chips. Cyberpunk runs at 90fps in 4k ultra, and even manages 50fps 1080p with RTX.

[@amirtorhan2762]

Their chips don't struggle with gaming, they are not made for gaming. Or should I say, there is no games made for them. As you can see in benchmarks, they are very capable chips that would beat even the best from Intel and AMD if they had compatible software. Because Apple use a completely different architecture compared to Intel, AMD or Nvidia. Every game has to be rebuilt for their architecture which is very costly for game companies, and since there isn't many gamers on Mac, it will probably not be worth it.

[@abulka]

@@DerAlibi I ran the old unreal tournament 2004 via whisky + wine on my MacBook Air M2 and it ran - but I had to drop the resolution to low and then all the textures to low etc till it was playable - just. Even had to set audio to low quality to stop the crackling. That’s a 20 year old game. I don’t know if crossover would be better, don’t want to spend the money. My tiny Rog Ally X runs everything I throw at it smoothly. I understand that games specifically built for Mac would run much better, and that the Mac is trying to emulate something foreign.

[@dayeah765caoni3]

Basically, you have no valid excuse to skip working in a powe outage😂 with such power efficient macbook

[@m.a3914]

I feel like, what Apple created is really a small supercomputer for AI. The unified memory is a game changer when it comes to fine-tuning and loading huge models. And it is ridiculously cheap for that purpose. You can basically buy 128GB M4 Max for about 5k. So about 96 I think GB for VRAM. This is more than H100 GPU from Nvidia and for the price of a single H100, you can buy 5 MB Pros. So we are talking nearly 500GB of combined VRAM which is absolutely insane. So for the price of just $35k, you can run a 70B parameter model at full 16-bit precision. In comparison, you would need about $225k in H100 GPUs to run the same model. Sure, it would be much faster but also nearly $200k more expensive

[@javiej]

So this M4 laptop cost like a high end PC having a 4090 and 4TB nvme, but it only has 1TB nvme and can not even compete against a simple 4070? why all the fuzz then? And why are your 4090 & Threadripper benchmarks excluded from the video, if a PC with them cost similar? was it to please Apple watchdogs isnt it?

[@Cstxraii]

i think its more so about the form factor because this computer is extremely powerful for its size and it’s portable which a high end pc isn’t

[@Sanchuniathon384]

I love how the convo shifted of Apple laptops vs. Windows laptops. Now we’re hard comparing Apple laptops to high end Windows desktops, and that will continue. Sorry to say, but that this comparison even exists is a reason to buy a Mac with a Max chip. I bought the M4 Max / 128GB / 4TB and I regret nothing, literally nothing. I have a high end windows desktop as well, and screen switch with it via KVM. I pick up my laptop and take it to work, I bike with it in a bag. That’s what I paid for, and the performance is better than I expected.

[@by-beffa]

You forgot the screen, keyboard and a mouse in all this. Not to forget the possibility to put in a backpack and work from anywhere you can. Not to forget the powerconsumption. Mac does it at 55watt, the high end pc draw about 1000 watts in total, and with all this heat you need an AC to keep it comfy. I have a I9 14900KF and a 4090, the power to cool things down is larger than using this rig at full power. This test is competing a barn with a car, both are great, but fill different needs

[@amirtorhan2762]

@@Sanchuniathon384 So are you using the same setup for your mac and Windows machine using KVM? How does it work in practice? Can you use the same screen, mouse keyboard for both systems? I've been looking to get a new mac, but I still want to use my Windows machine and have been looking for a solution that doesn't require multiple setups and is also not very inconvenient.

[@javiej]

@by-beffa No, I didn't forgot any of that. It was not me who started a comparisson in terms of performance and said that the Macbook M4 was faster that a High end Windows desktop. I just answered to that asseveration because it is simply not true. Nowadays a high end Windows desktop is a Threadripper with a 4090, which is much faster than this laptop.

[@terrafray]

From what I understand, GPUs in PCs and laptops have different specs because laptop GPUs typically run at lower TDP, clock speeds, and core counts. For those saying PCs will become obsolete, that's not the case-because Apple isn't designed for AAA game. I use a 4070 TiS in my PC primarily for gaming and editing, and a Mac for work. For laptops, I agree that Macs are better for productivity, but for gaming, I prefer PC over Mac.

[@kencollins1186]

You said that wrong, Computers aren't designed for software; software is designed for computers. What you mean is that AAA games aren't designed for Apple. Apple is working on that.

[@Zhandos18]

Not worth 4k$, windows laptops with 4090 smokes it

[@huexley]

lol no. Even the usually brick sized ones (also sounding like a chopper taking off and the battery of 2h).

[@romanwisniak]

that's crazy, almost unbelievable and M4 MAX is so much more expensive than any M4 MAX config :D

[@kencollins1186]

"Max" is not an acronym, so it is not written all caps. I've seen people write about MACs as if they were computers instead of just Machine Address Codes (or whatever)/

[@JayzBeerz]

Watching on my M4 Mac mini. :)

[@ionQagon]

My world will never be the same... Thank you, Tech Notice! =_) Waiting to see review on maxed out macbook pro m4 max =)

[@Martin36544]

Still crap for 3D work then… And professional CG artists don’t care about power consumption as our time is more valuable than the electricity bill!

[@brandonw1604]

Well you'd be using a desktop anyways then so...

[@itiswhatitis-yes]

You basically commented even before the watching? Bravo man

[@riccardoalicino8575]

Crap? Did you se the video mate?

[@Nuketaco]

avg apple hater jumping to conclusions purely bc hating on apple is cool😂

[@mashirokobato5509]

​@@Nuketaconah pro user still using Threadripper..lelz..apple are good at marketing but real artist don't use mac

[@samlawrence4670]

You say you can build a pc for much cheaper and that maybe true but you have to build it and supply a comparable screen speakers keyboard mouse a desk to put it on a chair etc making your setup much more expensive whereas that MacBook you can pull out and use on a sofa or in a coffee shop. The current series of MacBook pro’s are the pinnacle of modern computing Apple are killing it at the moment.

[@amirtorhan2762]

It's been like this for a long time, Apple Silicone is just very unique and in a league of it's own. And now with the M4 chips we are seeing even bigger gains in performance while still only using a fraction of the power as the competitors. It sucks that we can't have this chip in anything other than a Mac though. It's the biggest limitation with these chips, they are limited to MacOS and if your usecase or workflow doesn't go well with MacOS you can't use it.

[@MalcolmREBORN]

Watching from MacBook Pro 16-inch with M2 Max chip. These computers are meant for serious workloads on the go. They don't mess around. All while being on battery power.

[@flamixin]

It makes sense if you add price to the equation. You can use one m4 max 64gb ram money to buy 2 7950x 3090 systems.. and for “professionals” 64gb is almost universal baseline ram size…useless