M4 MAX 48GB vs 128GB: Worth the $1000 Upgrade??

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@Ollevisuals Ай бұрын

I upgraded from 64GB on my M1 Max to 128GB on my M4 Max and I dont't regret that at all. I have Premiere projects that uses as much as 85GB ram. It's been a huge upgrade for me at least. That's just my opinion.. And going from 1TB SSD to 8TB has been really nice also! If you work outside, I can recommend people to go for the silver color (and nano texture display), because it's a huge difference on the silver and black color chassi if the computer is in the sun. The black color gets so hot compared to a lighter silver color. And I recommend EVERYONE to put on a screen protector, because the keyboard is giving the screen marks when travelling. That's my tips! Take it or leave it :)

@jessiethedude Ай бұрын

I will leave it

@Ollevisuals Ай бұрын

@ that’s totally fair 😉

@videofrat3115 Ай бұрын

@@Ollevisuals how is your battery life on the m1 max?

@Ollevisuals Ай бұрын

@@videofrat3115 Using it for almost 4 years now, non stop it's battery health is at 83%. But I still feel like it's holding up good when I use it on travels. I can maybe edit for around 3 hours in high performance mode.

@videofrat3115 Ай бұрын

@@Ollevisuals and what about the m4 max? better battery or the same?

@videofrat3115 Ай бұрын

you forgot one of the main use cases for 128gb ram: AI, local LLMs (like Ollama, diffusionbee). Many local AI models cannot be run unless you have huge amounts of ram

@PawFromTheBroons Ай бұрын

And running VMs

@The_English_Gent Ай бұрын

If your using Photoshop for big projects like I do, 50-500 layers A3 size , depending on how big the undo/history file is, Photoshop has to write each version to RAM or Scratch disk, a few open 500MB file scan use 20-50GBs of Scratch. More memory is very important, I use 64gb M2 Max, there's another great channel 'Art is right' think its called, where he does tests with different ram and file sizes, and Photoshop flies with more. So I would recommend the most Ram you can afford if doing big Photoshop projects. PS love the channel!

@darkredwine Ай бұрын

thx h

@Mr.QuantumC0re Ай бұрын

Are you using a laptop or a desktop?

@kaldmigbaregrevaxel Ай бұрын

Yes that is right I think that 'Art is right' is one of the best youtube channels for Graphic design / photographer reel life benchmark. He is way more independent for what a real life look like. Right now I have a Mac Studio M1 Ultra (bought if for a good price) with 64 GB of Ram. often when I am working I photoshop it is using arounf 45-55 GB of ram (Just photoshop) for the next Machine I will like to have atleast 96-128 GB of Ram. I also have a Macbook Pro M3 Pro 36 GB of Ram (it is for my full time job) it regular hit the red in memory use and start to swap data. I would say if you are working with Photoshop file there is a bit bigger than normal is 36GB of ram the bare minimum. and the sweet spot for professional graphic designer there is not working with that heavy files Eg 16 GB of ram is not enough if you will stay out of the Red in memory pressure if you are working with Adobe CC

@kernzilla 10 күн бұрын

this video has 0% input/relevancy when it came to photoshop/lightroom, and such an odd decision to put those tests very first in a video, and literally have no viable input/comparisons. for some reason, I'm actually kinda boiling over about this. dude's got 2x of the world's best machines for creators, and best info was 'some people might need the 128, you might start to see a little bit of a difference there'. what the absolute fffff .....

@The_Imaginarium. Ай бұрын

I'm guessing you only have these two models to compare, so I totally understand why, but I think a more realistic comparison for most people would be the 24GB vs 48GB benchmarks.

@flitai 28 күн бұрын

24 is minimal for new apple OS .You would have 16gb free if you're lucky.

@rogerhuston8287 Ай бұрын

Lol, couldn't think of a worse video for Asus to sponsor featuring a laptop.

@Happy-g3e5d Ай бұрын

Waiting for inter Arc B580 benchmarks

@geoffstrickler Ай бұрын

Gamers Nexus just released their review. Major improvement, looks like it’s a bit better than the RX7600, and similar to the 4060 overall (trades places with it), but the 4060 beats it by a notable amount in some tests, and in power efficiency.

@worldwolf9909 Ай бұрын

@@geoffstrickler In all gaming benchmarks though.

@shiftctrlhack Ай бұрын

Hahah I was going to post this too!!! I’m still going to. This is the only creator I look up to get my info when it comes content creation / video editing ++.

@geoffstrickler Ай бұрын

@@worldwolf9909 Yes, but gaming is a good indication of GPU compute performance. Intel has done well in video encode/decode for years now, even on their IGPs and first gen Arc GPUs. Nvidia is still tops for ray tracing (RT) rendering, but the new B580 does well. If you’re doing a lot of RT work, Nvidia is still your best bet. Personally, I don’t game or do anything else that needs anything more than a good IGP, but I do watch GN for their excellent hardware reviews, including GPU reviews. I watch other channels that cover compute capabilities of GPUs and content creator work, although I haven’t seen any testing of the B580 for those tasks yet.

@codeeye2023 Ай бұрын

really mate would love to see that, how it fairs in video editing workflow

@Wade_Adakai Ай бұрын

I have the M3 Max with 48gb and 1tb of storage. Also doing multitasking with the apps mentioned except the 3D programs. And I’m waiting for this thing to slow down, but it never does. Getting more ram is only a psychological comfort, but in reality 48gbs is enough 🙌🏾

@mrparts Ай бұрын

I only upgraded to 64 gb ram because I’m working with very large simulation meshes. I can use 128 gb but it’s too much money and I just do those jobs on a Linux vm on the cloud when needed for less money.

@tusharbansal2508 Ай бұрын

I have 8gigs M1Air and rocking with it

@fernandobelotto Ай бұрын

Great content man! amazing!!

@cheekster777 Ай бұрын

Thank you.

@keltonjohnson6197 Ай бұрын

BH photo is known to sell different specs so you can always look there for a possible deal on an upgraded model without buying directly from Apple. About SSDs, I think the useful life of an ssd even with swap use is still many many years beyond what anyone would keep the machine. Doesn’t mean it’s not an issue for a uniquely heavy user, but I think it’s pretty negligible. As an example, I have an old pc (7 years) that used swap all the time on a 512GB nvme ssd and after 7 years the SSD still reports 89% life. This is just an example but I think it shows how insanely durable normal SSDs are and that the TBW rating could easily mean a life of 60+ years at which point who cares.

@rodiape Ай бұрын

24 vs 48 would be really useful

@sidon1979 Ай бұрын

I need the ram to hold the language model, the performance side of things is only a bonus

@aryaguehrs Ай бұрын

damn 128gb ram upgrade alone, can buy base mac mini m4 + nice 4k monitor 144-185hz

@rogerhuston8287 Ай бұрын

Try PGGB up sampling audio files, that will use all your Ram and push the CPU to the max.

@lwwells Ай бұрын

@5:00 MacOS will use however much ram you give it. Now go test the difference in battery life 😅

@TechGameDev Ай бұрын

the consumption is the same just the chip density is higher or you lose 2w/1w maximum the difference is practically invisible

@michaelsergoyan4053 Ай бұрын

I ended up getting the m4 max 64gb version because I think that since it is unified memory that is shared between the CPU GPU and neural engine. I think 128 is too overkill but 64gb is the better middle between the two.

@ericdraven7857 19 күн бұрын

I have looked up 128GB memory DDR5 for PCs and they average around $400-$500. I saw one that is ECC up to $970. Now let’s take into account apple’s memory is unified memory. Which for those that do not know, the memory is on the M4 chips. It’s much faster to access than the standard PC memory. PC users will complain about how “expensive” apple products and refuse to actually open their little minds to why. Also, Mac’s aren’t that expensive. With unified memory, many users do not need 128GB. They do not even need 48GB. Most can get away with 16GB which is now standard. I wish PCs were better and windows didn’t get flushed down a toilet but my M1 MacBook is still amazing after now 4 years. Even though I need more performance, bigger storage, more memory and a bigger screen, my M1 MBP is fantastic. I might wait to upgrade next year but it will depend on when I will absolutely need to upgrade.

@tejiriamrasa3258 11 күн бұрын

get off your high horse.

@Aaron_Bleu Ай бұрын

Watching this on my recently purchased 36 GB RAM M4😐

@LdnHJ Ай бұрын

i think it would be interesting to run several benchmarking tools at the same time. This although unrealistic, could stress the systems to start showing whether they separate under crazy load.

@Madhawk1995 Ай бұрын

So future proof. Doesn't even have a hardware av1 encoder. Phenomenal Pioneering Apple.

@mrparts Ай бұрын

There is no “future proofing” with electronics.

@daniil3815 Ай бұрын

those ram modules must be made out of gold for that price.

@nZoot Ай бұрын

Literally😂

@LeoLau-jw7ji Ай бұрын

@@nZoot they quite literally cost their price in gold

@TechGameDev Ай бұрын

it's even more expensive

@khoifoto 15 күн бұрын

The people who bought 128GB of RAM know exactly what they need. Imagine opening a 100GB large photoshop file on a 64GB RAM machine then have about 250 steps history enabled. Memory pressure will always gonna be in the yellow / red.

@jacobmendez Ай бұрын

Can we get your thoughts on the Intel B580? Would love to know how it shapes up against the competition for creatives.

@theTechNotice Ай бұрын

Check the latest short :)

@jacobmendez Ай бұрын

@ it may be out of the norm, but if you have time, you should test how it does with AV1 encoding! Can’t wait to see your breakdown 🙏

@shiftctrlhack Ай бұрын

Sir… Mr. Tech Notice I’ve been checking your channel for the past 2 days multiple times looking for the ARC B580 benchmarks / review for us creators. Did they send you one for review ? Is everything ok with you. I was kind of worried not seeing anything pop up yet from you. Remember you are one of the few creators on here who we actually trust and personally your my only “Content Creator Reviewer” that I listen too when it comes to anything related video editing. It’s you for Content Creation - Paul’s Hardware for everything pc hardware & a lot of good laughs ! - Hardware Unboxed for gaming benchmarks & Gamers Nexus for little bit of everything benchmarks + deep dives in the corrupt tech world !! lol Please don’t feel rushed but I know I’m not the only one stalking your channel when a new GPU comes out to get real breakdown of the hardware & legit benchmarks that really help out in making decisions.

@Kinetica_tm Ай бұрын

I wander who even need the 128GB one…. I have base m4 max and its amazing 😂

@karamveersingh3417 Ай бұрын

LLM

@daniil3815 Ай бұрын

I heard CAD can use 128gb. maybe some other pro applications. but tbh I would just go and build a pc at this point. 1200$ for 128gb is crazy.

@Kinetica_tm Ай бұрын

@ thats the point. Besides for $7000 you can start a business 😂

@kwameryan Ай бұрын

Virtual instruments used for music composition use a lot of RAM. I have the 128 GB model for that use case.

@tivtag Ай бұрын

Another use case is developing with virtual machines

@YanikMoskvich Ай бұрын

Look Im going to be honest.. I had just recently upgraded from 2017 macbook pro to a m2 pro macbook pro and it was life changing.... you will only need an M4 Max chip amount of power if you are a PROFESSIONAL. There are not going to be that many people that actually need this kind of power. Great video though.

@rcortez5979 Ай бұрын

B580 BENCHMARKS 3D MODELLING WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERE IMMA LIKE IT INSTANTLY

@TechGameDev Ай бұрын

for 3D tasks intel are not very good because no software are optimized amd or nvidia for 3D artists for the moment

@rcortez5979 Ай бұрын

@@TechGameDev thats why our boy tech notice guy has to do the test if theres something new???

@level80888 Ай бұрын

still waiting of Arrow Lake patch results

@krishnansrinivasan830 Ай бұрын

Nice & Thanks :)

@lasarith2 Ай бұрын

10:26 no that’s not quite write , while 600 TB is the Guarantied coverage , a 1 TB SSD ( nowadays ) could write 1 Petabytes ( 1000x ) and Apple uses at lest (3000x ones ) so at lest for SSD you’d need to be writing a Huge amount a day before you’d actually see any derogation.

@TheMrFlipp 7 күн бұрын

How did you configure your logitech MX Master mouse on macos ? do you have the same laggy and scroling problems ?

@caydenpo1001 Ай бұрын

Please do a M1 max vs m4 pro particularly in After effects.

@mygameplayworld Ай бұрын

Do you have any issues on your M1 Max? Mine still works perfectly fast, also on After Effects.

@caydenpo1001 Ай бұрын

@ nope ive had it with windows man wanna buy a mac. The deals I’m seeing on the m1 max are crazy. I could get m1 max 64GB of ram 1TB SSD for $1500 vs m4 pro that i would have to drop $2600 on to get it where i want it specs wise and it still wouldn’t have as much ram.

@mygameplayworld Ай бұрын

@@caydenpo1001 ah I see. I currently have M1 Max with 64GB RAM and 2TB SSD and I use after effects everyday without problems. Also do a lot of heavy video editing (4K Prores / MOV etc)

@caydenpo1001 Ай бұрын

@@mygameplayworld Thank you for that. I guess the M1 max is a no brainer at this point.

@mygameplayworld Ай бұрын

@ for that price point for sure, you are gonna be very happy with it as long as you take care of it right 🙌🏻

@dipi71 Ай бұрын

Still happy with 8 GB RAM, using VirtualBox to run openSUSE and Win7 simultaneously on top of macOS.

@XaviMarquez9080 Ай бұрын

Thanks for this insight Sir. This call into questions the need of huge memory on Macs.. Amazing how frugal this OS is.

@TechGameDev Ай бұрын

8:10 extreme multitasking never exceeds 40 GB of RAM, this situation is not real 10:03 don't worry the SSDs in macs are very high quality they have a huge life expectancy when the engineers let macOS use swamp they know that macs have good SSDs that won't fail It's also part of the executive price of Apple storage buying ram for future proof has never been worth the cost the day software will necessarily require more than 48gb of ram you will probably have changed machines in the meantime

@digitalclips Ай бұрын

Waiting for M4 Ultra here.

@UneditedRequiem Ай бұрын

Just picked up a M4Pro 48Gb, 12/16. I wonder how Insta360 X4, or stereoscopic 3d 4k video will handle. Now gotta get some cameras, lol.

@tonytech5520 Ай бұрын

5:31 There must be something wrong with the PugetBench After Effects benchmark or the info graphics. It doesn’t make sense that the RAM Preview score is higher with 48 GB of RAM than with 128 GB.

@richies_muse Ай бұрын

"Photoshop doesn't use a lot of ram".. what! or I'm going crazy 😅😂

@sageata2002 6 күн бұрын

you miss hoards of new people coming to the mac - software developers. which means containers/virtual machines. which means the extra grand is a no brainer. so yes, a custom order makes sense there as well.

@deltax7159 Ай бұрын

I feel that if you are willing to spend $5,000 on tech in general, that 5k would be MUCH better spent on building a custom desktop PC. I understand if you are mobile in your work most of the time, but is this really worth the money? I just feel like for the 5k you spend on this 128GB M4 MAX you could literally build a custom PC that would outperform it, and STILL buy a really nice laptop. Just seems like a complete waste of the 5k. do we agree? would love to hear the alternative argument from someboday.

@gaiustacitus4242 Ай бұрын

It depends on the use case of the computer. In many cases, a Mac with M4 MAX or Ultra (when it ships) and maximum RAM will outperform a PC with similar specifications. Many graphics applications either run far better on the Mac or will not run reliably, or at all, under Windows for ARM.

@The_Imaginarium. Ай бұрын

I bought a MacBook air last month, my first ever apple product. I have now bought an iPhone to go with it and I’ll be buying a MacBook Pro next time I need to upgrade. Windows guy my entire life. My desktop is an i9 13900k 64gb ddr5 with 6 tb of storage, and I’d rather have a lesser specced and more expensive MacBook. Doing creative work is *so much easier* with Mac OS. The 90% of stuff you do every day just works better. Think about it like this, the reason you spend money on better equipment is to do work faster. With windows it’s constant maintenance and drivers and updates etc. all of that time wasted is now spent toward actually working on the stuff you want to do. You’re trading all that time wasted for maybe longer render times. Worth it.

@deltax7159 Ай бұрын

@ I’m finishing grad school and will be working in data science and see a lot of my professors use Mac. Maybe I should just take the plunge. Was going to build a desktop pc but I’ll do some more research. I need a capable gpu and lots of RAM and storage and getting all of that with Mac is so expensive.

@gaiustacitus4242 Ай бұрын

@@deltax7159 I have more invested in my Tower PC than any of my Macs.

@videofrat3115 Ай бұрын

@@deltax7159 laptops are for people who are mobile and don't use a desktop. Why need 2 computers if you can only have 1 and portable? I don't use desktop since maybe 10 years.

@Tavs.fāters Ай бұрын

You still can get ram and SSD soldered

@legobuildingsrewiew7538 Ай бұрын

theyre not soldering anything in. chips are binned.

@owolf2015 Ай бұрын

Can the SSD "literally" go kaboom?

@egoist_pro Ай бұрын

All cpu and gpu test when 😭

@ilhandurmus 17 күн бұрын

128 gb I for something like using 4 screens and each screen has different heavy tasks..mostly who spend his time in office 70 percent and has heavy jobs and 30 percent outside ..here we can say he can buy two computer one studio and one entry level and use extrernal disk with mbp 16 m4 max… but to buy one computer with full specs mbp 16 m4 max can be also logic..

@zenphotocraftmedia8326 Ай бұрын

I am interested the batch out time in large photos for light room

@alilokhd4638 Ай бұрын

Still waiting for arc b580 fella

@forasterocheps123 Ай бұрын

Still struggling with 4 gb of ram😭😭

@whakatane7339 5 күн бұрын

No point,depending on ur usage, thz all😮

@20200EMA Ай бұрын

HiHi, if possible please do lightroom denoise comparison for at least 100 images i am using m1 and looking to upgrade to m4 or m4 max, m1 takes almost 1 min to denoise 1 image so when i have to denoise 1000 images i have to wait for almost 15-16 hours and thats really biggest bottleneck for my workflow.

@xau4lyf Ай бұрын

bro make a video on m4 maxed out varient for gaming on macos

@tuberhubris4154 Ай бұрын

1000 bucks to upgrade when if you could use the aftermarket it would be much less. Nobody fleeces people legally like apple does.

@TechGameDev Ай бұрын

99.9% of users cannot use 64GB either the applications do not support it or the GPU/CPU cannot follow for example in very complex scenes the computer is unusable because of its lack of power only work in the biological field is interesting

@MrMackster01 Ай бұрын

Obviously depends on your workload. 48GB is a lot of memory and Mac is MUCH better at managing memory vs Windows!

@kernzilla 10 күн бұрын

anyone looking for relevant/specific info or benchmarks about Photoshop or Lightroom, this video is not what you're looking for and was a waste of my time in this regard. As soon as I hear words like 'might' or 'potentially' or 'basically' means it's time to find another video, these words mean there was no effort in doing a proper stress test/comparison etc ... prob been better off just leaving PS/LR out of the video m8, rather than having this odd absence of relevancy. hate to throw a bash out here, for you've put some work into this vid obviously, but this is just a heads-up to anyone else out there doing a deep-dive on sizable purchase. figured there would be *some sort of side-by-side for PS/LR, even a basic Pano stitch or HDR Merge to see the difference, but nope. I'm actually dumb-founded as to why you'd go thru all this effort with the world's 2x most highly-coveted machines, and not include something for photo side of creators. seems like a big swing and a miss ..

@MarxOrx Ай бұрын

Now try large 72b LLMs (with 4bjt quantization) and see 48gb choke like a truck stop darling. On my way to Apple Store to return the 48 and get at least the 64 and maybe even the 128

@videofrat3115 Ай бұрын

@@MarxOrx isn't it better to just pay for AI online instead of spending so much money in a computer?

@1bhitte Ай бұрын

@videofrat3115 by that logic isn't it better to just buy pictures or videos

@videofrat3115 Ай бұрын

@@1bhitte what do you mean by "buy pictures or videos"? not sure what you are trying to say

@1bhitte Ай бұрын

@videofrat3115 i am trying to say that there are many cases to be made to host your own LLMs and saying just use one of the pay services is like telling some who takes pictures/video and edits them themselves why do all that when you can just buy pictures/video from a stock footage site.

@videofrat3115 Ай бұрын

@@1bhitte hmmm not really, with AI online you can run the same open source models but hosted online and you can create the same pictures. So what's your point? What is the case you are trying to mention?