M4 or M4 Pro MacBook Pro? NOT what I expected...

[@TitelSinistrel]

I have a 14inch M1 pro from work and it never breaks a sweat or spins up the fans. It is quite impressive seeing the "base" M4 being quicker in almost all but GPU tests.

[@ManavC-bs3fj]

M1 Pro is still going to be quieter than the base M4 as it has two fans compared to the M4's one

[@chidorirasenganz]

Technically it’s only raw GPU tests as in Blender or Cinebench M1 Pro gets smoked

[@anshulshah1703]

@@ManavC-bs3fjmaybe but I would also presume that the m4 uses less power than the M1 Pro machine so it might even out

[@zedpassway4140]

@@chidorirasenganz or Topaz or high calculation things like Tone Mapping.

[@LazerDon271]

Bro is just admitting to not doing real world.

[@MJLeeee]

5:48 Hotter surface temperature may imply the internal heat is getting pushed out much better. Surface temperature shouldn't be considered alone to determine the cooling performance.

[@Littlebrownchicken]

Makes sense

[@piotrd.4850]

It still means that Apple doesn't give flying faq about innovating in battery itself and thermals.

[@MrHattor]

Was just coming to say this!

[@belugabruh9112]

They did not change the thermal interface.

[@mikaelahyakuya3485]

Nah, it depends on the cooling design.

[@fVNzO]

M4's are also particularly impressive next to M3 because they nerfed the bus width on M3, and M4 has the old layout but with way faster memory. So not just faster memory but substantially bigger bus widths as well. And off course an actual next generation node and not an interim one. I think the normal M4 Pro is a pretty staggering value if you were already looking at macbooks.

[@tbirdparis]

Nah, the M3 Pro's took a performance hit mostly because they had significantly fewer P cores. The memory bandwidth wasn't the main factor.

[@fVNzO]

@@tbirdparis For inference tasks it was the main factor that made the M3 Pro such a bad "upgrade". It was slower than the M1 Pro, and the M4 Pro is 50-60% faster in that task. But all the chips have gotten a decent boost in bandwidth due to the faster lpddr5.

[@Applecompuser]

Dont blow money on the latest. Get an m2 or m3 which will be discounted on price.

[@JustineCooksVegan]

So true regarding the m3 pro! Do you think the M4 pro with 48 gigs of ram is a good move for video editing or the M4 max chip with only 36 ram and a little more GPU/memory bandwidth is a better option? I’m getting a 14 inch too so the overheating concerns me in M4 max chip I heard the new neural engine could solve this but sounds like it didn’t

[@Applecompuser]

@@JustineCooksVegan If you are worried, get the Mac Studio. More room to dissapate heat. Also, the 16 inch MBP has better themals than the 14. Also, one generation prior will save you a ton of cash and work fine for years. It bothers me that Yters dont do more real world testing with them.

[@Everett737]

I finally upgraded from my 2013 15” MacBook Pro Retina yesterday. Not because it couldn’t do anything I wanted it to do, but because my daughter’s 2011 13” MBP’s fans were annoyingly loud while she was playing Minecraft. The 2013 Retina will be a nice upgrade for her. For my replacement, I decided to go with a refurbished M1 Max 16” MBP with 32GB RAM and a 1TB SSD for $1,780. Keep an eye out for those M1’s coming on the used market as M1 owners finally see a significant value proposition to upgrade to M4. You may get an even better deal than I found.

[@AffordExplorer]

where do you buy refurbished ones? thinking of selling my 2019 16' (still with intel i9)

[@Everett737]

@@AffordExplorer I bought mine on Amazon, eBay is probably the other most common place. Both have buyer protections. Best Buy is another place to look and Apple has its own refurbished website but expect to find more M2s than M1s on those last two.

[@snoopdagg7900]

m4 pro (around the same price you paid for the m1 max) would smoke the m1 max, as it got much more improvements outside than the chips. bad mistake you made

[@Sojourner88]

Why do you hate your daughter. Just get her an M1 or M2 air

[@Spladoinkal]

If she's mostly using her computer to play games, why not go PC with a proper graphics card? Gaming has come a long way on Mac and Macs are nice overall but get her the right tool for the job. Don't give her a fork to eat soup.

[@EnronnSierra]

Most people will just buy these to watch KZbin and browse the web.

[@user-hl9jq8iz4i]

😂

[@HaOmTECH]

MacBook Air is made for those people

[@mikes7745]

I just bought a base M4 Mini and have no need for higher performance, and here I am watching all the speed tests!

[@NicoEstebanR]

The only reason I’ll get one is because of the pro motion display and mini led. But for my usage I’d be fine with an Air or Mini.

[@alyousuf]

Why you hating 😂

[@rideroliver]

Upgraded from a 13" M1 8gb MacBook Air for mostly Xcode work to 14" 24gb M4 MacBook Pro. So far, couldn't be happier. Though in normal day-to-day use without using swap memory, my RAM is already at 14 GB. In use. Might be just index in first week tweaking glad I have the extra headroom in RAM for next few years.

[@a_spire]

I wish the 32gb option was a bit more affordable. I have a ThinkPad with 64 gigs of ram and intellij and node use like 20 gigs 😢

[@LazerDon271]

@@a_spire Apple are shafting people on the memory. And don't give me the "it's more efficient" crap. When my laptop is sitting near 100% utilisation of memory it's running like junk

[@chidorirasenganz]

@@LazerDon271 you don’t want to “waste” RAM. If the system isn’t using it to cache data then you paid extra to not utilize it. Hence it’s always going to appear full but unless the memory pressure is yellow or red, you’re good

[@rideroliver]

@@chidorirasenganz fingers crossed for many years to come the pressure stays Green

[@slalomie]

Good investment. Dunno how you did Xcode work with a base 8gb M1 for so long since Xcode is a memory hog. I’d regularly see swap slowdown on a base 8gb M2 running the simulator

[@DigiDriftZone]

It's incredible that the M4 Pro outperforms the M3 Max by 20% in CPU performance. If you're not doing a lot of GPU heavy tasks, it represents amazing value.

[@danal8246]

Did you watch the video? It performed worse than the m3 max

[@DigiDriftZone]

@ in which cpu test?

[@HarunoGasai]

it depends on the test, for geekbench that's true but not 20%, only about 5-7%, but on other sites and different tests he took there, the m3 max is stronger and faster.

[@HarunoGasai]

@@DigiDriftZone did you watch the video?

[@DigiDriftZone]

​@@HarunoGasai Watched this one again, most of the tests are heavily swayed for GPU testing but you're right, it's surprising the GeekBench one was only 5-7% faster as you have the same core count and Apple claim each core should be 20% faster? - hmmm

[@brianthomas9254]

You’ve confirmed my purchase :) I got the M4 Pro with nano-texture display. I would just add that the M4 Pro comes with thunderbolt 5 ports and the base M4 Thunderbolt 4 only.

[@broadcast3ful]

How do you feel about the nano texture display so far? Any way it's worse over the regular glossy one?

[@rutpshah]

​@@broadcast3ful If you are going to use your laptop outside a lot then only go for nano texture display. Also you might need to compromise on text and color sharpness on Nano texture display. Test yourself in a store. Don't rely on reviews because different people test in different environment.

[@brianthomas9254]

@@broadcast3fulIt won’t be here until the 19th for some reason but I’ll reply as soon as I get it and let you know. I’m kind of surprised based on M4 Pro with only the nano glass would take so long but 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@7.62Fendi]

@@brianthomas9254respond

[@guillermovic]

Here in Spain the base M4 costs 1929€ and the base M4 Pro costs 2449€. I can live with the M4 fan noise, and save 500€... But in the US it's worth to get the M4 Pro

[@thedownunderverse]

Youll never hear the fan

[@WaterShowsProd]

Don't forget that in Spain you're looking at prices with the VAT already factored. In The U.S. there is sales tax added after the price sticker, which varies in percentage from state-to-state.

[@MichaelVLC26]

I got yesterday my M4 base model in Japan (soy Español) for around 1500 EUR and I am super happy with it. I do not hear anything at all running my mundane tasks so I would definitely get the base one. The only good thing about buying in Spain is that you kind of get the best warranty (3 years) out there but yeah, if you travel somewhere else like US or Japan it is worth buying there.

[@Jeorgy92]

Yo he comprado el base con nanotexture y ya

[@bodigames]

@@WaterShowsProdthe US tax rate is much lower than the Europes 21%.

[@KevPez-IS]

14” vs 16” thermals, yes please

[@TheVoiceofReason4ya]

The M1 Pro has held up incredibly well for many of these benchmarks related to productivity, and exporting times of video. Still very impressed with it's performance. Maybe when the redesign comes with m6 we will have a look see.

[@deerock7]

M1 Max since '21. Just ordered the M4 Max 64g ram, 4tb SSD. I do a lot of things from pro photography to mixing albums and tv shows for various studios...the M1 Max has been great until it wasn't. i think the M4 Max will suffice. I don't want desktops anymore since I'm gunnin' on the run more these days around the country with the photography, then mixing TV shows for HBO in a hotel room. ;) Excited to see how the M4 does.

[@MSC-87]

Finally. Today I ordered the MacBook Pro 14" with M4 Pro 14/20 cores base model with 24GB RAM and 1 TB SSD. There were still good Black Friday deals in Germany. It replaces my MacBook Pro 13" from 2013 with i5 dual core, 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD. I think it's a solid upgrade.

[@DhawalJagtap]

Honestly, I don't think that the fan noise is a big deal, as I am already accustomed to the noise of my Intel MacBook Pro. I'm really thinking of upgrading to these M4 Pro Machines. The 1999$ machine is really tempting as Luke said.

[@97nelsn]

I’m still running a Mid-2012 MacBook Pro that’s beyond outdated and every year I always write in the comment section that I will be upgrading to an M-Series Mac and I never do. Hopefully I do so this year and a base M4 MBP to me is much better than what I currently have which is a 3rd Gen Intel i7 Processor.

[@gefthetalkingmongoose]

M3 Pro 14" user here - 6 months in, never heard the fans. I guess they're in there somewhere.

[@vasugarg863]

M3 pro vs M4 base what would you go for if you had to make this choice today at same price?

[@gefthetalkingmongoose]

@@vasugarg863 I use mine for graphic design so I'd be fine with an M4 base. Probably the 1TB version with a nano-texture display

[@CivilsdailyIAS]

thanks man.. this has been helpful

[@GerryChike]

Thanks!

[@bccengiz]

Still going with the m1 air family. It hasn't let me down yet. Of course the m4 is pretty good but right now the m1 is enough for my needs.

[@Pokeonrocks5]

This is how I feel. The M1 Air is like the iPad Pro from 2018 - way ahead of the game. If I had gotten the 16 gig model instead of the 8 gut model, I could probably keep it for even longer. Even then, it’s gotten me through undergrad, and 5 semesters of law school so far.

[@fracturedmind8124]

I was using a 2017 12” MacBook with the i5 with 8GB Ram and 512GB SSD. I finally retired it and upgraded to the base M4 MBP with 16/512 and I’m absolutely in love. Though I do miss just how portable the 12” was and was gorgeous in gold.

[@maravreloaded]

Also. How do you distinguish three laptops that look the same without checking the "about the device"?

[@EEEEMMMMKKKK]

I would like to have the noise and thermals comparison of the M4 Pro 12 vs 14 core

[@EnzoFoove]

the difference is probably virtually meaningless, otherwise I think he’d have mentioned it

[@johnbean3429]

Some context on the Geekbench ML benchmark: The Geekbench AI CPU test uses the AMX units on the Apple Silicon CPU. This is an accelerator used to speed up matrix operations, which is useful for the multiply-accumulate operations used heavily in AI inference. While the Geekbench AI NPU and GPU benchmarks are self-explanatory, I believe out of the CPU, NPU and GPU benchmarks, the GPU benchmarks carries the most weight. Although NPUs are very power efficient, they are still not as powerful as the GPU for actual heavy workloads like LLM inference, so LLMs usually still run on the GPU for maximum throughput, making their score the most relevant.

[@m-stat9]

in other words, if I upgrade from my 24c M1 Max to the full M4 Pro, I should notice big difference in CoreML backed workflows, like Stable Diffusion in DrawThings, right? Since it uses CPU+GPU+NPU

[@pineappleapricotjelly4706]

I would actually prefer a noisy fan over silence. It really helps with lowering the temps and sustaining the load

[@TVsBen]

Gaming performance improvements are not just because of the cores. Remember that the M3 Pro only has 150 GB/sec of memory bandwidth, which was a huge step down from the M2 Pro's ~200 GB. Meanwhile, the M4 Pro has 273 GB/sec. When you get into those very high resolutions like you're testing, that makes an enormous difference.

[@WatsitTooyah]

You should consider adding system power draw and core temperature during benchmarks for additional insight between the chips. Thanks! That may provide additional metrics to make sense of the fan speed differences.

[@ChaosMoogle]

Add the end screens 😉

[@DanielPvb4]

Upgrading from a M1 Macbook Pro to the base M4 Macbook Pro. The most I do when it comes to intensive work is graphic design so I'm not worried about the fans reving up. Excited to get it in hand!

[@Bensonlaunh]

I like that you share the AI benchmark, which much content creators missed out. Thanks for the sharing

[@opedromagico]

Watching this on my 15' MBP mid-2014 i7 16gb 512gb.. I just love it, I do video editing (FCPX) and photo editing (Photoshop) and it works great, but it's time to upgrade as I want to try some new programs that won't run on Big Sur like Pixelmator Pro (so I can finally say goodbye to Adobe) and Arc Search (to see if it's as good as the mobile version).. Guess I'll be buying a 16' M4 Pro 24gb 1tb! Thanks for this video 🙌🏻

[@ericbauer4559]

Got my M4 Mac mini yesterday. Only upgraded the storage to 512gb. I was able to stick it in my laptop bag, with my laptop. Super impressed with its size. I think it'll be a great replacement for my Mac Studio, probably going to end up trading in the studio for a MBP.

[@amirtorhan2762]

But when does the fans start to spin up? I don't think regular people are running benchmarks on their laptops on a daily basis. I have almost never heard the fans on any of my Macs before.

[@DrSaahb]

Great video. Loved seeing how the different versions of MacBooks render and export videos.

[@JustineCooksVegan]

Thank you for this!! Did the M4 pro ever got hot on the touchpad? I had to return an M3 max cuz it was getting hot already so now looking at an M4 pro vs m4 max for video editing. PLEASE if you can include some 14 inch M4pro vs M4 max compares that would be amazing! Would be curious to see a little CapCut in the mix as I use that a lot too like many creators these days doing short/long form 🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@MrZdrojek]

But there is no M4 Max on the market....

[@xXshinichiconanXx3]

M4, M4 Pro, M3 Max, M2 Ultra…WTF Apple Common, M5 Generation is gonna feature a M5 CS Competition ?

[@milesdakin3540]

Luke - this is the best comparison video nice seen, thank you! As a small business owner who does everything (literally) from my 8yr old 2016 i5 MB, has been struggling with basic tasks in fcpx for a while but the M4Pro looks like it base model will do everything I need for the next 8yrs so maybe it’s time to take the plunge! 🤘NGL, gonna miss the Touch Bar though - I use it for everything 😢

[@bryonricketts385]

I’m upgrading from a 16” i7 intel 16/512 MBP to the 14” M4 chip 16/512 MBP. This is gonna be fun.

[@HenrikoMagnifico]

We've definitely reached a plateau regarding laptop performance. Like, for 99% of people going from the M3 to M4 or even M2 to M4 won't make any noticable difference, right?

[@stevenrast4261]

Well for web browsing no, but if your pushing them at all, you sure will notice

[@m-stat9]

from M1 Pro/Max you will certainly notice.

[@rockets4kids]

@@stevenrast4261 For many people out there web browsing is going to be the most intensive task and it is web browsing which often forces an upgrade.

[@lukemiani]

I think it might mean someone who previously would have needed a Pro chip might be fine with a regular M4 chip, but yeah the performance is quickly becoming overkill haha

[@oh-noe]

there is no plateau but it is incremental. You won't feel much of a difference between M3 to M4 but you will from M4 to M8. From M1 to M4 you will feel a difference though. You have to jump several generations up to feel it (and you actually have to do something that uses the power too).

[@larstillberg412]

16" M4 Max here. A remarkable machine, but a significant challenge for non-touch typists. The key gaps are now black, even on the silver model-a true nightmare for those who rely on visual aiming when typing.

[@ScipioHun]

Actually I don't know why is it so important to bring a new MacBook Pro every year. Most probably there are hardly any people who really can utilize all the capabilities of such a machine. The previous version of the MacBook Pro could serve anyone for years without any problems.

[@PeterWhite-q1k]

It's all about use case. My M1 MacBook Pro is all I'll ever need since I retired. If a person's use case changes dramatically then getting a new.newer model may make perfect sense, no?

[@ghost-user559]

I think the thing comments like this miss, is that there is always someone who hasn’t even gotten m1 yet. If someone was still using intel, which many people still do, then this update cycle still makes perfect sense.

[@deltax7159]

About to finish my masters in applied statistics and considering the Mac mini M4 pro with 14cpu cores 20gpu cores , with 48GB RAM, 2TB SSD for a new personal home computer for data science work. Have always been a windows guy but this new mini looks so nice.

[@BenWeeks-ca]

I love the fan noise part and benchmarks. That would help the fan section would be to record the room tone, noise cancel that out of your audio so we just get the fan sound. Micing it as well helps. Great reviews. So much helpful detail. Even the AI stuff.

[@DanRustle]

i was waiting for a vid from luke. im more interested in Ai dev, so i cant wait for the test for those

[@Ivan_1986]

Thank you for mentioning fan noise under different loads and circumstances. Much more important thing for me than battery life and even video export times. Love my MacBook Pros silent.

[@NathanMillerVisuals]

I have the M2 Pro with 16GB and I absolutely love it. My work lately has been maxing out the memory so M4 Pro with 48GB seems like a good move. Since getting the M2 Pro my event videography work has graduated to a different level.

[@Spladoinkal]

I think I can explain the performance compared to the M2 ultra: Although the M2 Ultra has TONS of cores, in order to utilize any of that the software it's running has to be built to handle that many cores. So if the software can only utilize for example 16 cores, then any number over that no matter how large will offer no boost. In fact, since in a lot of cases it's easier to have a HIGHER core speed on smaller dies, sometimes the cpu with LESS cores can win in certain apps. Where the M2 ultra would shine in that case is being able to handle other tasks while simultaneously rendering at full speed and still being able to handle other tasks without any slowdown provided there is enough RAM to also handle both.

[@lthomas63]

awesome video as always, Luke! Thank you! I would love to see a video on logic pro performance on the M4 and M4 pro

[@EnzoFoove]

wonderful tests and comparisons, Luke you’re the best

[@mistert3428]

Still happy with my binned 14 inch m1pro

[@TheSonorabob]

Great runthrough! I'd love to see some comfyui workflow tests (ai image and video rendering).

[@tvandever2010]

Really good video. You nailed it.

[@chidorirasenganz]

It’s not surprising that M2 Ultra is about the same speed as M4 Pro since they score similarly in Blender’s benchmark 2500 to 2700 I believe

[@odusthecat]

I think we need a video of you putting the m4 Mac mini into a Wii… I would love to see how this one would fit inside of the Wii since it’s so much smaller now.

[@Wunderkinddd]

Do you recommend 12-core over the 14 core pro? That will reduce fan noise? A little more power for a little battery

[@Fen2C]

I think the sweet spot is the unbinned M3 Pro on discount or from the refurbished store - that’s what I bought last week when the M4 pricing was announced

[@umaruzdanov3433]

Absolutely love your videos! They always bring such great insights. Would you consider making one on how to use the new mini with the older MacBook Pro? I think it would be super helpful!

[@techinrl9869]

When testing fan noise, were you running them in High Power mode or Auto? It’d be interesting to see a comparison between Auto and High Power.

[@stevenrast4261]

high power is only on 16" MBP right?

[@matthewhill5426]

Throw low power into the mix on fan noise comparisons

[@techinrl9869]

@ No, on this year’s model, it’s on both the 14” and 16” versions.

[@glofuss]

i would love to see a battery test between the m4 pro and the m1 pro. And maybe a temp test / comparison. Thanks for the great vids =)

[@BrunelOnBoard]

What does the battery life look between the two?

[@bernardlesperance742]

Agree, the binned version is the sweet spot for many people but I would up the SSD storage to 1TB for the extra bit of performance it gives (in addition to double the storage).

[@JuliusKonrad]

11:56 Your Highlighting in the Performance charts does not match your recommendation ;)

[@axematics]

Was looking for this in the comments. Bit misleading

[@FDNY8231]

I am looking forward to the M4 iMac video. I am upgrading my 2019 intel 27" iMac to the M4 iMac so I'm interested to see it in action. Getting the 10/10 core, 24GB RAM and 512GB (Wish was higher) SSD.

[@ClarkMercer]

Thanks for showing the graph compared to all the other M-series chips. Most reviewers don't do that.

[@leeahegg2377]

The most details review I have ever seen recently! thanks Luke!

[@htz26129]

This is by far the best comparison I have found on youtube. You come clearly to the point, no useless blah blah blah . Thanks a lot, it made my decision to the M4 pro.

[@hakim_isa]

It’s nice you got binned vs unbinned m4 pro comparison. It’s clear now to me they are not far off.

[@davidbillberg2203]

Thank you for all your reviews lately 🏆

[@photolabguy]

My base model M2 MBP is doing everything I need it to do!

[@josemedeiros007]

Great review Luke, I plan on buying a Apple Silicon ARM based Mac laptop soon to replace my 2013 MBP, even though I used Open Core Legacy Patcher to install Sequoia 15.1, it could use more then the 8GB of ram it has.

[@Wunderkinddd]

You said binned m4 pro but then your highlight m4 pro non binned. 12:29

[@NotGarrettG]

I have M1 (2020) MacBook Pro. I LOVE the new M4 Pro chips, unbinned. I THINK, I’ll wait another 2-4 years actually and get an M6 or M8 Pro. Maybe by then we’ll get TANDUM OLED ?? Especially on M8’s?

[@amara_ctk100]

I’d be interested to see if there’s a noticeable difference in thermals or fan noise between the M4 Pro 12c 14” and the M4 Pro 14c 14”.

[@Quared]

Got the unbinned M4 Pro for free from the M3 Pro (had a display issue and Apple gave a free replacement to the latest model), so far looks like its performing much better, even matching my gaming PC's 3060 Ti in GPU performance

[@gigaprojects]

You definitely should use for benchmarking Topaz as this tool brings my m3 max mbp to its knees in the sense that when you encode two clips simultaneously my Mac uses more power than my power supply can supply it with. This tool utilizes the cpu, gpu and npu to the max

[@progressivensights]

I got the M4 Pro Mac Mini and I really love it. For mobility I just use my Ipad Pro.

[@JuhaNyman]

SSD Speeds? It almost looks like the M4 Oro and Max have 2x faster SSDs than Base versions.

[@Justmakesomenoiz]

Base model m4 has 2600 read and 3709 write

[@JuhaNyman]

I can confirm. 14" with M4 Pro chip 1TB - 6350MB/s write, 5100MB/s read.

[@slats66]

Awesome review Luke! thx

[@metamon2704]

I really like to know more about the M4 Pro binned model, it seems to be just a bit slower than the normal M4 Pro but in Blender it a lot slower, I wonder if that is an error since it doesn't make sense to me.

[@adambielski2743]

This is a mistake. Real time is about 31 seconds. He either made a mistake or showed time from first render which always takes longer.

[@yumeheshe1920]

Thanks for the video. Have watched many and yours is the first one that provided a fan noise test, albeit not instrumented. Did you notice any thermal throttling on the M4? Another difference to note between M4 and M4 Pro is the SSD speed, which is almost double for the Pro.

[@pppxxyy]

What was the fan sound like when you were gaming?

[@1zamboni]

I went with the M4 Pro base model updated to 1TB and nano screen option.

[@ProNab]

main reason for huge difference in m3 and m4 is due to 16gb ram offered on the base model, 8gb ram on previous base model was really limiting the true performance of M3

[@dorukyalcinsoy]

3 days since I got m4 base model, never heard of the fan noise yet

[@TerrinhaVerde]

Thank you so much for this video. I appreciate your effort and video quality for doing this.

[@borodach6789]

Hello, Luke! Thank you for this review! Can you include Logic Pro test?

[@sozdaich]

Man, thanks a lot for testing the binned version of m4 pro!

[@tekoreimante]

Nice benchmarks! just ordered an m4 pro, but next time you should add ram size too. new games tend escalate better with more ram since they don't need to offload as much

[@akin242002]

Others have noticed that with the regular M4 Mac Mini vs M4 Pro Mac Mini. The Pro version doesn't run as hot.

[@jonathanalcala2222]

So you mention towards the end of the video the best value for money is the binned version of the M4 Pro but then go on to highlight the scores of the M4 Pro, is that on purpose?

[@billmakesmovies]

I have no idea how the M4 is the same or faster than my M1 Pro that has done everything I have asked of it for the last three years of video editing without a hiccup, but that's super cool. Just picked up the base 14" M4 512GB as a secondary and smaller laptop to my 16" M1 Pro 1TB. Sometimes you just need a smaller laptop! I'll check back in a few years when it's time to upgrade to the M6 or M7 pro, after Sony gives us an 8K FX6 III or something, then update my M1 Pro. lol Crazy times!

[@DjBlacid]

luke, can you test power efficiency? your channel is pretty cool as is, but another thing to make it cooler and stand out from the hundreds of youtube cinebench test channels is using a kill-a-watt and measure how much efficient/power hungry the chips are in normal workloads and under stress

[@Notacet]

3:00 I’m sorry but it’s not too hard to discover why M2 Ultra GPU underperforms so much in Blender & Cinebench. Both of those take use of hardware raytracing improvements from M3 series onward.

[@Ninja_Revenge]

My M1pro og mbp still going strong, won’t be upgrading anytime soon

[@anthonygreen161]

I feel like I understand the lackluster iPhone release now. They were laser focused and on something worthwhile.

[@wertywerrtyson5529]

Mac mini is the most impressive since you get the 10 core M4 for a low price. The iMac just gets the 8 core unless you pay extra. I’m interested to see the Studio get the M4 upgrade. Right now it makes no sense with the old M2.

[@jammaas2597]

When you're done with all the M4 hype.. please do a video about the delusional resale market ( eBay ) trying to sell older model at current model prices..

[@blingkey]

The fan noise comparison to the intel days isn't "apples to apples"...so to speak, because the performance increase is lightyears better between the two. The reality is that you are only going to hear that fan when you are pushing the SOC to the absolute limit for an extended period of time, which most users are unlikely to do routinely. This is a laptop running extreme video workflows on battery power better than the vast majority of high-end workstation machines with discrete graphics and liquid cooling....seems like our expectations may need some calibrating.

[@unboxings5218]

I got a M4 MacBook Pro and I for sure would rather hear the fan than thermal throttle. I'm upgrading from my M1 Air and it does not have any fans. You might laugh but honestly there is this game on Roblox called Greenville and it is very graphic intensive game ( it's a car driving game I play it since I'm in love with cars ) but my M1 Air would thermal throttle and start lagging with like 20 minutes of gameplay. Now with the M4 MacBook my game hasn't lagged and the Mac only gets warm. The fan run around 3k rpms and don't get any higher than that so I downloaded a fan control app so it runs at max speed so then the Mac stays cool and no thermal throttling.

[@teh_hunterer]

Why adjust our expectations when the M3 Pro is extremely quiet? He's comparing it to last year's model.

[@blingkey]

@@teh_hunterersure it is, but it’s also not as performant and the fan profile on the M3 also allows the machine to get hotter which inevitably will have further performance fall off.

[@kodakaru]

With visually intensive tasks, anything possibly beyond 4K resolution in most areas of work and play, the greater the trade offs would be for each chip type (base, pro and max). It is not a bad thing as it has improved the overall means in how they are regulated in terms time, content and intent compared to how they were before (for example, from Intel to Apple Silicon or gradually from 2018 to now). A milestone for this improvement is from the new Mac Mini M4 / M4 Pro, compared to its previous models, either from a design or component based standpoint. The only question I have is if an M4 Max counterpart to the MacBook Pro now were to be in development and considerable release, would there be absolute silence or the most minute whisper of air that could be heard if left on standby mode, for example, if you consider not only the design but the possibility of performance cores taking some time to focus on visual intensive tasks and their real time activity, similar to iPhones and iPads with screen time, and regulating performance, fan noise, etc. around that? Also surely it is a means to follow up on, at least as an adjustment or notification that I know most Apple products since Intel chipset 2018 MacBook Airs have or are capable of showing in some way.

[@JasonandRachelOlson]

Can you try running a local LLM on the M4 vs M4Pro? I suggest LM Studio with the following models: - Llama-3.2-3B-Instruct-4bit (MLX version) - c4ai-command-r-v01-4bit I really want to see how well the 10-core gpu holds up to the 20-core.

[@expazatrix]

Llama-3.2-3B-Instruct-4bit (MLX version) running with LM Studio on my base model M4 Mac mini is doing 49.22 tok/sec

[@NovusTM]

I still use my M1 pro laptop and its killer! Ill probably wait until the M6 MacBooks come out especially if theres a huge re-design with OLED displays

[@TheVoiceofReason4ya]

My thoughts exactly.

[@ICIEFG]

Same

[@Ninja_Revenge]

Same here❤