M44 Submachine Gun: Finland Copies the Soviet PPS-43

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The kp/31 Suomi submachine gun in Finnish service was an outstanding weapon, but it was slow and expensive to manufacture. When Finnish forces began capturing Soviet PPS-42 and PPS-43 submachine guns form the Soviets in the Continuation War, it was very quickly decided that Finland should copy the design. This was a far simpler, far cheaper stamped sheet metal design that was not as refined as the Suomi, but much more efficient to make.
The Sudayev design was changed only minimally; primarily to fit the Finnish cartridge (9x19mm Parabellum) and magazines. They guns were originally designed to use the 50-round quad-stack boxes and 71/72 round drums of the Suomi, but also used the Swedish Carl Gustaf m/45 magazine that was adopted by Finland after WW2.
Two companies were approached to produce the M44; Tikkakoski and Ammus Oy. Ammus was unable to source raw materials for the project, and only Tikka put the guns into production. Marshal Mannerheim initially wanted 50,000, but the order was reduced to 20,000 - of which only 10,000 were actually made, due to limited material availability before the end of the war led to production ending. Another 400 were assembled from remaining parts after the war.
In the 1950s, a plan was begun to resume M44 production in order to completely replace the Suomi in Finnish inventory. However, this plan was interrupted when Sam Cummings of InterArms made a deal to trade Finland about 75,000 surplus Sten guns for Finland's supply of 7.35mm Carcano rifle (received as aid form Italy during the war) along with a melange of old machine guns. This was a sufficient quantity of Stens to handle the duties of the Suomi, and so the Sten went into Finnish service and M44 production was never resumed.
Those Carcano rifles were in turn imported into the United States, and this is why the majority of 7.35mm Carcano here bear Finnish "SA" property stamps. The same is true for the significant number of Chauchat automatic rifles in the US with Finnish property marks, which were also part of the deal.
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@sumorayabizness3929
@sumorayabizness3929 2 жыл бұрын
Forgotten Weapons is a key part of a well balanced breakfast.
@Disinterested1
@Disinterested1 2 жыл бұрын
give us this day our daily lead :):)
@terryadams2652
@terryadams2652 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, plenty of Iron
@justindunlap1235
@justindunlap1235 2 жыл бұрын
indeed
@larrymcjones
@larrymcjones 2 жыл бұрын
@@Disinterested1 lmao
@iLLeag7e
@iLLeag7e 2 жыл бұрын
choked down a dry eggo waffle with a swig of cherry Dr. Pepper (god's nectar) as I read your comment. Couldn't agree more, I love this channel
@BlueRockEye
@BlueRockEye 2 жыл бұрын
The m/44 was given a nickname ”Peltiheikki”, which directly translates to ”sheet metal Heikki” (Heikki being a Finnish name)
@randomiapaskaa
@randomiapaskaa 2 жыл бұрын
Hank
@k3D4rsi554maq
@k3D4rsi554maq 2 жыл бұрын
Yank.
@vaahtobileet
@vaahtobileet 2 жыл бұрын
pelt hank :D
@jannetapiohiukka493
@jannetapiohiukka493 2 жыл бұрын
Tin-Henry equals Pelti-Heikki
@ville7762
@ville7762 2 жыл бұрын
@@vaahtobileet :DDDD
@lairdcummings9092
@lairdcummings9092 2 жыл бұрын
Engineering excellence: stripped down to the barest essentials, with nothing left to take away. Simplicity exemplified.
@ntrf-xyz
@ntrf-xyz 2 жыл бұрын
For wartime economy simplicity is not enough. You also need to make sure that the design can be assembled by chil... i mean unqualified personnel.
@AH-if8ik
@AH-if8ik 2 жыл бұрын
@@ntrf-xyz thought this was going to say "chill soldiers" before re-reading it xd
@robbob9273
@robbob9273 2 жыл бұрын
1 smg was worth 2 bolt actions imo. As the finn ambush tactics worked on speed and yeets.... a bare bones smg will shred a conscript or two same as a volley mosins.
@Paciat
@Paciat 2 жыл бұрын
@@AH-if8ik Me too. Only after 10 sec I realized he meant children. But if your chillin in your trench with some weed, you should still be able to use and maintain your gun. :D
@earthfederationspaceforce9844
@earthfederationspaceforce9844 2 жыл бұрын
Finland : invent Suomi Soviet : copies. build PPD40, PPSH 41 Soviet : improve PPSH41, invent PPS 42 Finland : copies. build M44 meh.
@kaabika
@kaabika 2 жыл бұрын
Back when my dad was in the army, around the time they started implementing the RK62 into service. His rookie time he had been using the mosin in training and their corporals had the M44 because it was lighter. When dad got promoted to a corporal he got the RK62 and was kinda pissed cause he didnt get the light to carry M44
@Tunkkis
@Tunkkis 10 ай бұрын
​@@prfwrx2497 The RK is a larger rifle that needs to contain a more powerful round, made from milled steel instead of sheet steel. I don't see why that should be surprising.
@Fr0z3nS0liD
@Fr0z3nS0liD 2 жыл бұрын
Once again, Ian posts a video of a Finnish gun, and once again I am here to urge you to like and comment for engagement! I've never had the opportunity to hold this gun even during conscription, but these "Pelti-heikki" guns are pretty famous. The OY in Ammus OY is an acronym for "Osakeyhtiö", an LLC, so Ammus OY = Ammus LLC.
@foleymaj
@foleymaj 2 жыл бұрын
And "Ammus" would probably be best translated as "projectile"
@samikoivisto7705
@samikoivisto7705 2 жыл бұрын
@@foleymaj or Ammunition
@alaric_
@alaric_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@foleymaj Projectile or a bullet (luoti) would be part of the ammunition (ammus/panos/ampumatarvike). Projectile is the part that leaves the barrel. Although in Finland artillery uses "ammus" for the flying part and in english "shell" is used. As a comparison a finnish "ammusvarasto" would be "ammunition storage", ammunition consiting of all kinds of ammunition for both light arms and artillery. And as it can be surmised that the company produced both kind of munitions, "Ammus" is an appropriate name.
@foleymaj
@foleymaj 2 жыл бұрын
@@alaric_ Which is why I resent the translation of "ammunition", as that is a plural. Ammus would be a projectile, a cartridge or whatever. Maybe there's no good translation. Let's go with a singular form of ammunition, how about that?
@uncletiggermclaren7592
@uncletiggermclaren7592 2 жыл бұрын
I hope everyone appreciates that Ian has studied this information in detail recently, absorbed and thought about it, and planned out his approach . . . then just sat down and free-styled it for our entertainment. You can't really understand how hard he has had to work his brain, unless you have tried this yourself. This is real work.
@janispetke9519
@janispetke9519 2 жыл бұрын
So that's where the Stens came. They were retired quite late. But then again, NCO school still taught the Suomi in the late 80s. If it works...
@ninaakari5181
@ninaakari5181 2 жыл бұрын
All the great guns are good for Janis Petke purposes
@jpenna1976
@jpenna1976 2 жыл бұрын
I believe Suomi m31 was still used at coastal artillery forts until late 90's. Not in conscript use, but as reserve weapons for limited use. Even Maxim MG's. I heard this from others serving same time. Unfortunately I was having some sort of influenza, when they were introduced these weapons. I served in Russarö II/97.
@jpenna1976
@jpenna1976 2 жыл бұрын
@Mäkirannantörmä Linnakkeella vai muulla?
@pyorre2441
@pyorre2441 2 жыл бұрын
What Ian forgot to tell about the users of this particular type of gun was also finnish border guards. They got alot of hardware from finnish military that the army didn't need. My father who was one of the border guards from the early 60's all the way to end 80's, told me the same notion that Ian had, that he preferred the M44 over the Suomi or a rifle in the long ski or foot patrols the border guards would do around the border zones.
@RonOhio
@RonOhio 2 жыл бұрын
The Sten Interarms deal takes that "Lowest bidder" thing to a whole new level.
@Seth9809
@Seth9809 2 жыл бұрын
This is also why the IDF barely had any Galils
@lairdcummings9092
@lairdcummings9092 2 жыл бұрын
Sam Cummings. Distant (not super distant) cousin of mine. Not exactly my favorite person.
@RonOhio
@RonOhio 2 жыл бұрын
@@lairdcummings9092My sympathy, our family changed our name a bit just before the Civil War in a disagreement over politics. Family, can't make 'em behave, don't own a backhoe.
@lairdcummings9092
@lairdcummings9092 2 жыл бұрын
@@RonOhio and renting one is expensive. Yep.
@emersonschwarz1364
@emersonschwarz1364 2 жыл бұрын
Wonder what Interarms did with all those carcanos and obsolete machine guns? Sold the on the surplus market in America? And where did they get all those sten guns from? I wonder who got the better deal there.
@Matt-xc6sp
@Matt-xc6sp 2 жыл бұрын
Finnish copy of Soviet gun made in Spain sold to West Germany.
@larrymcjones
@larrymcjones 2 жыл бұрын
…financed by Madagascar lol jk
@fhlostonparaphrase
@fhlostonparaphrase 2 жыл бұрын
@@larrymcjones Wut?
@mikewysko2268
@mikewysko2268 2 жыл бұрын
A small number of DUX smg was used by West German border guards.
@fredhealy3416
@fredhealy3416 2 жыл бұрын
That was an extremely satisfying 'clack' when the folding stock was opened. Extremely 'clacky'. Love it
@eanschaan9392
@eanschaan9392 2 жыл бұрын
Clacky, snappy parts are underrated. It is like a mechanical keyboard, but better.
@bryceforsyth8521
@bryceforsyth8521 2 жыл бұрын
We call that 'tactility'.
@renobyrom831
@renobyrom831 2 жыл бұрын
A good gun makes a good clickity-clack. This is law.
@tomtruesdale6901
@tomtruesdale6901 2 жыл бұрын
A "grunt proof" sub gun. Simple, cheap and easy to use. What a long strange history of that weapon and the russian weapon it was based on.
@rob119490
@rob119490 2 жыл бұрын
Throw it to a few US Marines and we'll see how grunt proof it is. These are the guys who've manage to break acogs btw lmao.
@randomidiot8142
@randomidiot8142 2 жыл бұрын
@@rob119490 breaking an acog isn't that hard. You can do that by fumbling and dropping it. Pretty sure this would survive a few more oopsie drop tests.
@chadthundercock5641
@chadthundercock5641 2 жыл бұрын
Owing to the Russian philosophy on arms design, the PPS-43 wasn't perfect, but it simply didn't need to be. It was good enough. It earned the most prestigious accolade any military weapon can, and the Finnish thought so too.
@Pelmedeeznuts
@Pelmedeeznuts 2 жыл бұрын
"If it wasn't broke, don't fix it" Wait, wrong gun lol
@dmg4415
@dmg4415 2 жыл бұрын
An old former German soldier told me that he was shot from about 25 meter with a Sten, 5 shots spread as wide as a closed fist. He said that the Sten was precise enough. Today a soldier is required to shoot from point blank to 400 meters and hit every time with a low spread as possible, due to collateral damage. In WW2 the question was, are they ours, if no, then shoot to kill maim or let them hide, 1MOA was not necessary then. If it was needed it then You called the sniper, or to keep their heads down, an mg with a lot of ammo. If a soldier in combat could get 5 shots in semiauto in 1ft at 25m they where very good shooters, good enough to send to the front. 3 feet circle with 10 shots in full auto at 25meters perfect! All this In combat conditions. The thing is pinpoint accuracy was not so much to strive for in a SMG, during the WW2.
@chadthundercock5641
@chadthundercock5641 2 жыл бұрын
@@dmg4415 Jesse what the fuck are you talking about
@m7ray
@m7ray 2 жыл бұрын
And still somehow german "perfect and overquality" guns mostly are not better than "good enough and low/middle" quality" soviet guns....... >_>
@dmg4415
@dmg4415 2 жыл бұрын
@@chadthundercock5641 hmmm a lot of words was lost from my brain to my finger, sorry for that, when I just NOW read it, it was rambling words. I tried now to tidy up a bit. My point was to be, that extreme accuracy that they want today was not needed in an SMG in WW2.
@markkumyllykoski5444
@markkumyllykoski5444 2 жыл бұрын
The "Oy" in Ammus Oy is just short for "Osakeyhtiö" which means stock company in English and isn't pronounced as one "oy" but separately "o y". And "Ammus" is ammunition in English.
@Tunkkis
@Tunkkis 2 жыл бұрын
Ammunition, or more strictly 'projectile'.
@Kr-nv5fo
@Kr-nv5fo 2 жыл бұрын
After the wars they made showerheads and such. There are hilarious print ads from that time showing a naked lady in a shower with "Ammus-Sytytin Oy" written in bold letters.
@Caldera01
@Caldera01 2 жыл бұрын
*ABLOY enters the chat.
@tapioperala3010
@tapioperala3010 2 жыл бұрын
Oy means LTD Oyj means PLC
@AutomatikBalalaika
@AutomatikBalalaika 2 жыл бұрын
@@Caldera01 AB Lukko OY
@joro5748
@joro5748 2 жыл бұрын
We were still taught the basics of M31 at the end of the 80's when I did my national service in guerilla/ranger type troops. No sign of M44's or Stens, M31 outlived both of them.
@victoreem2
@victoreem2 2 жыл бұрын
About the finnish Sten Guns straight from finnish Wikipedia and cursed by Google translate: At the end of the 1950s, the Finnish army exchanged a batch of obsolete and prey boot weapons with Interarms for 75,000 pieces, mostly Mk.III Stens, each gun also came with five magazines. The stens were renovated in Finland at the Kuopio depot, their bent parts were straightened, strap loops were made in them, the tip of the ejector was shaped according to the Finnish cartridge, the cartridge case was extended and the weapons were blue. After the renovation, they were stored for commissioning. They were used in service to a small extent, mainly as training weapons, for example by combat divers. The title of the Finnish army was 9.00 for Sten II and 9.00 for Sten III.
@blackore64
@blackore64 2 жыл бұрын
Names used in 1960s manuals are Konepistooli 42 for Mk. II STEN and Konepistooli 43 for Mk. III. (That is to say Submachine gun 42 and Submachine gun 43)
@LUR1FAX
@LUR1FAX 2 жыл бұрын
The PPS-43 and M44 are among my favorite WWII SMG patterns. My favorite is the Owen though.
@kodiakkeith
@kodiakkeith 2 жыл бұрын
The PPS-43 has always fascinated me because first production was in Leningrad during the siege. They were stripping metal from bombed out cars, broken bicycles, etc, so the production was an incredible feat of human resilience. I had no idea it birthed the Swedish K, this Finnish gun or the Spanish copies. I guess I always placed it in the same category of last-ditch "works most of the time" guns like the Sten. Now I know better.
@Luka-wo6kh
@Luka-wo6kh 2 жыл бұрын
1:50 Just a quick sidenote: "Oy" is actually an acronym of "osakeyhtiö" (limited liability company) and as such the equivalent of the English abbrevations "inc" and "ltd". That's why it's pronounced as two separate syllables. If you know IPA, it'll be /'o:.y:/, while an English approximation would be "awe-you".
@greglinski2208
@greglinski2208 2 жыл бұрын
When my son was about 11 years old he entered a Jaycee Relay Race. He’d never ran track before and didn’t know everybody wore shorts. He came in jeans, to everyone’s amusement. He ran the last leg for his team - and came away the fastest runner of the day, and made up considerable distance to win. This video made me think of that day. How I wish I had been able to see it, instead of only hear and read about it. I was a single mom and had to work. My son was an amazing athlete. ❤️
@lukum55
@lukum55 2 жыл бұрын
My father got to use both a Suomi M31 and a Sten when he served his conscription in the 1970s, he said the Sten was such a horrendous piece of junk that when you've emptied the magazine you just throw the entire gun away and get a new one because the gun is not even worth the trouble of changing the magazine.
@christianweibrecht6555
@christianweibrecht6555 2 жыл бұрын
Soviets: did you hear that the fins carry straight magazines!, weird I tell ya
@Taistelukalkkuna
@Taistelukalkkuna 2 жыл бұрын
Straight? .......Magazines?
@NonConformistPsyche
@NonConformistPsyche 2 жыл бұрын
@@william6072 its a skyrim reference
@strahinjastevic7480
@strahinjastevic7480 2 жыл бұрын
@@william6072 the russian box mags were curved
@Salesman9001
@Salesman9001 2 жыл бұрын
@@william6072 KP31 and 44 had box magazines, 20 round mags being the most common. What Ian is saying is that Swedish mag replaced the 50 round casket mag (which was terribly unreliable) in '53.
@CU65LATER
@CU65LATER 2 жыл бұрын
+ Christian Wheilbreit I have heard that in russia there is 5 milj non-straight ppl. As much as people totally in Finland. So...is it good or bad...whatever...
@williamflowers9435
@williamflowers9435 2 жыл бұрын
I love how Ian still says “hopefully you enjoyed the video”… As if he’s ever made one that we didn’t enjoy 😂
@rasmusalmqvist5960
@rasmusalmqvist5960 2 жыл бұрын
Peltiheikki! My all-time favourite gun. Once we used the Suomi drum magazine (all stacked up) with the gun. Lovely slow rate of fire!!
@RaDeus87
@RaDeus87 2 жыл бұрын
That beep scared me abit, I was stretching a bit and the beep coincided with a sharp inhalation 😅 Got a little worried I had burst a vein in my head or something 😅
@larrymcjones
@larrymcjones 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you’re ok lol
@bobbystewart1772
@bobbystewart1772 2 жыл бұрын
I Love your videos, they are so educational and entertaining. They Remind me of when I used to watch the history Channel with my Dad, just less aliens.
@basedvorenus7497
@basedvorenus7497 2 жыл бұрын
History Channel is very funny! Everything in Earth was made by aliens! Maybe even this gun hahahahahahahahahahaha
@interlake2043
@interlake2043 2 жыл бұрын
Haha same, History Channel and The Military Channel with my dad watching countless WW2/war documentaries.
@basedvorenus7497
@basedvorenus7497 2 жыл бұрын
@@interlake2043 I wish I had a dad to watch this things with me... #SadMonke
@basedvorenus7497
@basedvorenus7497 2 жыл бұрын
@@interlake2043 Also, I remember watching History Channel about the nazi bell hahahahaha
@HarborSite-7
@HarborSite-7 2 жыл бұрын
I always look forward to a new video from Ian. This is the best firearms related channel out there. 🙏
@mkkls
@mkkls 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ian. I’ve learned so much military/industrial/economic history of my own country from your channel.
@Breakfast_and_Bullets
@Breakfast_and_Bullets 2 жыл бұрын
Very glad to see this! I have a parts kit that I need to rebuild, this is very helpful.
@adamnelvin5156
@adamnelvin5156 2 жыл бұрын
Is that the Rare Moldovian Mk4 Sniper Rifle?
@wastedangelematis
@wastedangelematis 2 жыл бұрын
I came looking for this comment
@wastedangelematis
@wastedangelematis 2 жыл бұрын
Mian Accolum sure has blessed this video too
@matsgranqvist9928
@matsgranqvist9928 2 жыл бұрын
You gotta love the magazine locking and stock unfolding clack!
@ZombieB
@ZombieB 2 жыл бұрын
One of the things i love from this channel is when guns are disassembled, showing up the magic inside! NiceVideo!
@hiwhatsyourface
@hiwhatsyourface 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent timing, I was just watching the PPS 43 video last night
@johanfredriksvendsen8482
@johanfredriksvendsen8482 2 жыл бұрын
Great story at the end there. Funny how a captured weapon/design that in its mother country was deemed good enough, inspired a copy in Finland that then ended up in Spain 15 years later and then that ended up in Germany. That is some interesting and cool backstory.
@jk_46
@jk_46 2 жыл бұрын
Your a legend man! Another awesome video as all the others are!!!
@tekumeku2244
@tekumeku2244 2 жыл бұрын
Love coming home from work to watch the newest episode before i go to bed. Gives me the best dreams xD
@gabrielnascimento1021
@gabrielnascimento1021 2 жыл бұрын
Where do you live?
@tekumeku2244
@tekumeku2244 2 жыл бұрын
@@gabrielnascimento1021 South Carolina. I work overnights is the thing
@NickDanger214
@NickDanger214 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Ian for showing me yet another piece of fine engineering,with perpess that I never knew existed.
@tapiolaakkonen5350
@tapiolaakkonen5350 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent piece of history. Thank you!
@robertsloan2877
@robertsloan2877 2 жыл бұрын
With the slow rate of fire that these guns have, they are probably a blast to shoot with those 70 round Suomi mags lol
@TapioSalminen74
@TapioSalminen74 2 жыл бұрын
The beep heard around the 5:34 mark had me looking at the smoke detector in my room. Took a while to realise it came from the video.
@niclbicl
@niclbicl 2 жыл бұрын
Forgotten weapons is just an essential Part of every gunlover that uses youtube and the internet active
@PD722
@PD722 2 жыл бұрын
The Fins look at a Russian weapons and say "Finish Him!" everytime. Flawless Victory.
@joshuapatterson3264
@joshuapatterson3264 2 жыл бұрын
Another great presentation
@Afrohare
@Afrohare 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, what do you know! Ian shot the thing ages ago, but I didn't even realise there wasn't a detailed video before now. Kudos!
@TheSchmed
@TheSchmed 2 жыл бұрын
Very satisfying “snap” of those mags.
@Arto257
@Arto257 2 жыл бұрын
I love waking up to new gun videos
@williamphillips2415
@williamphillips2415 3 ай бұрын
Thank you Mr Ian 😃!
@jarmokankaanpaa6528
@jarmokankaanpaa6528 Жыл бұрын
"Valmet wasn't interested" -- As one viewer already noted, Valmet was only founded in 1946, so it wouldn't have been a contender. However, Valmet ("Valtion metallitehtaat" = State Metal Factories) was a conglomerate formed from several formerly separate state-owned companies including the "Valtion tykkitehdas" (State cannon foundry) and "Valtion kivääritehdas" (State Rifle Factory) or VKT, which at the time produced most of Finland's domestic military small arms with the exception of the m/31 Suomi and the m/44, which were produced by Tikkakoski. Why VKT didn't produce the m/44 is a mystery, but they may have been fully occupied producing arms requiring extensive machining (m/35 pistols, m/40 20mm twin AA cannon, barrels for the m/39 rifle etc.) and ammunition to be interested in setting up a sheet-metal pressing shop. Also, their operations had been dispersed from the original Tourula factory to several safer locations (including underground tunnels) to avoid Russian bombing, so they may have had space problems. Incidentally, the name "Tikkakoski" is a compound of the Finnish words "tikka" (woodpecker) and "koski" (rapids); it is not Polish, though the ending might suggest so.
@Simon_Nonymous
@Simon_Nonymous 2 жыл бұрын
Lovely stuff. The minimalist SMG par excellence.
@jeffjefferson2676
@jeffjefferson2676 2 жыл бұрын
The spoon of the bolt welded onto it. Greetings, Jeff
@loupiscanis9449
@loupiscanis9449 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you , Ian .
@lassenlautta
@lassenlautta 2 жыл бұрын
best part 04:53 .. that satisfying clank of drum magazine going into place
@dongilleo9743
@dongilleo9743 2 жыл бұрын
Just about every army in Europe began the war with the majority of it's troops armed with the equivalent of WW1 rifles. As the war progressed, everyone was looking to increase the firepower of it's soldiers. Especially true in Finland, with it's limited manpower; issuing more automatic weapons for increased firepower to make up for shrinking manpower reserves. Germany did the same thing with it's "Volksgrenadier" infantry divisions it began forming in 1944. The number of men in the divisions had been reduced, but they were equipped with a higher percentage of automatic weapons; including whole platoons armed with MP-40 submachine guns and STG44 assault rifles.
@bencejuhasz6459
@bencejuhasz6459 2 жыл бұрын
A video full of essential nutrients...I mean, nuts&bolts of a submachine gun which I never heard of before. Thank you, Forgotten Weapons!
@czjonny8933
@czjonny8933 2 жыл бұрын
That beep at 5:34 got me. Loud over the car speakers. Jumped a bit.
@DibromoindigoLLC
@DibromoindigoLLC 2 жыл бұрын
this was awesome, thanks man...
@versoarmamentcompany
@versoarmamentcompany 2 жыл бұрын
Great video
@georgesears934
@georgesears934 2 жыл бұрын
5:32 According to the lie detecter, the hand grip is actually the single most important piece of any firearm's functionality.
@redtheftauto
@redtheftauto 2 жыл бұрын
5:32 the beep scared the shit out of me lol
@jeddster
@jeddster 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ian
@flyfin108
@flyfin108 2 жыл бұрын
thats so far most simplified beauty ive seen
@yuhaz
@yuhaz 2 жыл бұрын
Great vid, thx!
@tomiluukkonen4035
@tomiluukkonen4035 2 жыл бұрын
Suomi m31's were still in stores for close defence weapons for coastal artillery in late 1980's when I served in the army. Never actually saw any Stens around at the time. As I know all m31's were retired in early 1990's when Finland bought HUGE amounts of AK's very cheaply from previous East Germany (DDR) and China (?). Luckily many of the DDR inventory-weapons still used same ammo (7.62mm) which is still Finnish military standard caliber today 2021. Very good cartridge I have to say after hundreds of rounds, but recoil is quite heavy for anything close-combat :(
@petesheppard1709
@petesheppard1709 2 жыл бұрын
Good video of a brutally simple gun, but what impressed me was the deal to simply swap useless guns for Stens.
@Kaltes1
@Kaltes1 2 жыл бұрын
A friend of mine has one of theses that I got to shoot for a bit. For legality reasons it was sold to him as semi auto only and had the stock tack welded closed. Was super fun to shoot, had basically no recoil. I'd call it a plinking gun.
@dereksprinkle1345
@dereksprinkle1345 2 жыл бұрын
How often do you travel! Been here since the early years, learned so much of my knowledge from your videos
@strahinjastevic7480
@strahinjastevic7480 2 жыл бұрын
He travels to a place, makes a bunch of video and uploads them randomly when he's at home
@Mrgunsngear
@Mrgunsngear 2 жыл бұрын
Very cool
@peter.a.langan5872
@peter.a.langan5872 2 жыл бұрын
As they say, “copying is the sincerest form of flattery!”
@Tsudoshi09
@Tsudoshi09 Жыл бұрын
Even made cheaply the Finnish stampings are exellent
@mascadadelpantion8018
@mascadadelpantion8018 2 жыл бұрын
I really like this gun it was extremely fun to shoot!! My brother used to own one of these
@GraflexParts
@GraflexParts 2 жыл бұрын
"why is Ian whispering so much? *Menacing Beep* oh god"
@recurvestickerdragon
@recurvestickerdragon 2 жыл бұрын
If that bolt handle isn't welded in (pretty sure it is), that becomes a very expensive bolt, since you can't lathe the diameters
@jordanhorst6
@jordanhorst6 2 жыл бұрын
the random shot timer beep made me flinch. lol
@46FreddieMercury91
@46FreddieMercury91 2 жыл бұрын
This guy is brilliant. He knows his stuff
@dennisyoung4631
@dennisyoung4631 2 жыл бұрын
The rivets look really cool.
@Josh93B93
@Josh93B93 2 жыл бұрын
Its funny on your Beretta 38A video 2 days ago my first comment was I would prefer the PPS-43, I guess the finns felt the same way
@sectero9450
@sectero9450 2 жыл бұрын
I love how countries copies(some "genuis" says steal) guns and ideas how to use this weapons.
@AsbestosMuffins
@AsbestosMuffins 2 жыл бұрын
You weren't kidding when you said this thing was sheet metal, there's just metal, rivets, and washers
@JerryCrow
@JerryCrow 2 жыл бұрын
Great history, you cant find this shit anywhere. One point, when you see "OY" or "OYJ" it means like "ltd", or "gmbh", Literally "OsakeYhtiö" and "JulkinenOsakeYhtiö", "StockCompany", and "PublicStockCompany" "AB" is same in swedish, "AktieBolag" For example the finnish lock company ABLOY is just, "Aktie Bolag Lukko(lock) Osake Yhtiö". Point being, its not a word, it is an abbreviation. So you say it "oo-yy", like one would say "UU ES EI" "Ammus" means "munition".
@sparkplug1018
@sparkplug1018 2 жыл бұрын
Ive always looked at the PPS-43 and derivatives as, not the weapon they wanted, but the weapon they needed. The Sten and Sterling also fit that description, they're cheap and crude, and just work.
@HustleMuscleGhias
@HustleMuscleGhias 2 жыл бұрын
The Sterling is a Cadillac compared to the average Sten. One could compare the Sten to a Yugo - something that has the general feeling and quality of being assembled at gunpoint, which it kinda has if you really think about the situation during 1940.
@sparkplug1018
@sparkplug1018 2 жыл бұрын
@@HustleMuscleGhias What I'm saying is that all these weapons are simple and cheap to build. Its not a super fancy gun with tons of machined parts and stupid tight tolerances. The M3 also fits that description. Its not the weapon they wanted, it was the weapon they needed. They just work, can be built cheap and are reliable to a fault. Whats not to love about any of them?
@jakobroynon-fisher9535
@jakobroynon-fisher9535 2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact- the numbers on my KP-44 parts kit are lower than the Forgotten Weapons one. I'm happy, even though they aren't matching.
@m0toto
@m0toto 2 жыл бұрын
Sako is making new rifle that is based in ar10/15 model 7.62 NATO cal semi auto for Finnish defence forces. There is a version for snipers that replace dragunov and other more simple version for infantry support purpose.
@m0toto
@m0toto 2 жыл бұрын
Sako m23
@OneofMyTurns
@OneofMyTurns Жыл бұрын
The firing pin is fixed but also removable from bolt.
@marekh.4497
@marekh.4497 2 жыл бұрын
last time I was this early, the Russians still were confident in their power in Finland
@tomcharter4127
@tomcharter4127 2 жыл бұрын
Who are the 8 folks who don't like? What's not to like here? Great program!
@danieliussupienis9703
@danieliussupienis9703 2 жыл бұрын
3:30 Ahh... 😊 Much better now.
@JackedRado71
@JackedRado71 2 жыл бұрын
Just in time for my morning sit down
@antoninolatorre8355
@antoninolatorre8355 2 жыл бұрын
hi, Ian !!! good video like every day, this mp44 it look like than italian msg maked in the late wii isotta fraschini ... so long, best gunner kid 😉
@mortensommer9405
@mortensommer9405 2 жыл бұрын
saw your video on ign recently, I agree with your analysis though my own actual gun experience is not extensive, you could try either Post Scriptum for ww2 guns or Squad for a more modern palette, would be awesome to hear you critique those games :)
@seamusbolton215
@seamusbolton215 2 жыл бұрын
Great video once again I know its possible, but it would seem incredibly inefficient if the bolt and the bolt handle were one piece of material, would have imagined that it was dovetailed in ?
@biggerbehindthetrigger2814
@biggerbehindthetrigger2814 2 жыл бұрын
I want one of those so bad. I fell in love with the 7.62x25 cartridge when I bought a Yugo M-57. It is very accurate and has nice power to it.
@XtreeM_FaiL
@XtreeM_FaiL 2 жыл бұрын
Why you want 9x19mm smg if you like 7,62x25?
@biggerbehindthetrigger2814
@biggerbehindthetrigger2814 2 жыл бұрын
@@XtreeM_FaiL the PPSH-43 is in 7.62x25 the original version as I have been told. I could be wrong but the Russian didn't use 9mm they used 7.62x25.
@XtreeM_FaiL
@XtreeM_FaiL 2 жыл бұрын
@@biggerbehindthetrigger2814 This isn't the PPS. It is KP-44 / M44.
@biggerbehindthetrigger2814
@biggerbehindthetrigger2814 2 жыл бұрын
@@XtreeM_FaiL my bad
@tashkent561
@tashkent561 2 жыл бұрын
Ian should make a video about the FNAB-43.
@commoncriminal923
@commoncriminal923 2 жыл бұрын
God it looks so good
@fadilbackup2nd695
@fadilbackup2nd695 2 жыл бұрын
Suomi KP31: Who are you? M44 SMG: I'm your new sister but from PPS-43.
@RD-170
@RD-170 2 жыл бұрын
You hear those pps-43 from Finland got straight magazines? Straight. Magazines.
@Offensiveword
@Offensiveword 2 жыл бұрын
The power you could wield with a few crates of these 🤤
@tankkiukko1253
@tankkiukko1253 2 жыл бұрын
Peltiheikki 🥶
@Titan23era
@Titan23era 2 жыл бұрын
Just watched your IGN video game gun review and I was surprised to see they didn’t show you the AK’s from the game Escape From Tarkov. Just an oddball request but I remember the Battlefield 1 review, was wondering if you would wanna do one of Escape From Tarkov. I saw a lot of people commenting on the IGN video wanting to see it as well.
@Tesnopesno
@Tesnopesno Жыл бұрын
love that ammus OY!
@isaacramirez3634
@isaacramirez3634 2 жыл бұрын
Really hope you cover the Bushmaster ACR/Magpul Masada one day
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