MAC 1950: Tactical Shooting Competition

[@lucliebelin7416]

I have used this gun very often while I was in the French Air Force. The best way to reload when the slide is locked in the open position is to drop the empty magazine, slide in the full magazine, then you release the slide by pressing down on the locking mechanism with your thumb. This way you won't engage the safety each time you fast reload. Try it! Of course, it only works if you are right hand shooter.

[@TuanTungTranDuc]

Has been 3 years in a RiMa as sergent. I also used to press down the levier after reload

[@itsapittie]

That's probably what the designers and the French military anticipated. The "overhand" technique is relatively recent and most militaries don't give much consideration to left-handed people. The overhand technique might be a problem even for right-handed people because the fleshy part of your hand could engage the safety. I haven't shot this pistol, but I've seen it happen with other pistols.

[@999squidy]

very beautiful finish on the pistol copperish gold i like it

[@Lajnus]

I'm pretty sure that's patina from years of use. But I agree, it's very pretty.

[@Tuton25]

999squidy looks like plumb bluing

[@999squidy]

Anna Haim would love to see it

[@andrewnprice]

Did the full Hyneman for this one huh? Gotta say... not a bad look for you.

[@aquadragon1]

You are oc mistaken it is surely The Hyneman that took his fashion inspiration from the allmighty gun Jesus. Certainly not the other way around.

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

Grade A reference.

[@shockwavecity]

I do believe that the maroon baret is french paratrooper...

[@DaveTex2375]

+aquadragon1 Shotgun Jesus. The light of the muzzle flash.

[@scotthancock9592]

eraser101YT that's funny!

[@tonyffessm233]

Great channel and reviews ! This guy is pretty much the only american honest toward french weaponary and military history ! Thanks for that + all historical/technical information you provide us ! Best Regards from the french army (and no ... I never surrender without a fight XD), TONY

[@khaelamensha3624]

Ps mieux ! Thanks for the memories, I did use this one during my tour of duty

[@coenijn]

This was strangely musical, and made it very enjoyable

[@fm451]

Great video! Tim Mullin experienced the same issue with the safety being applied when He racked the slide while testing the MAC 50 for "The 100 Greatest Combat Pistols" (Paladin Press). Mullin speculated that this safety design was intentional, and was a good feature,

[@CheechNoChong-mb6wp]

Always enjoy and learn from your video. You are one of the rare Francophile weapons experts. Therefore I myself have been exposed and learned about some interesting French weapons. Thank you.

[@chtifab145]

Nice to see that pistol I carried some years ago. Obviously, due to its safety, it seems not to be the best pistol for that kind of shooting. But it remains a very accurate pistol.

[@stewknoles4790]

You did a great job. The single stack low capacity mag is definitely a drawback from today's pistols. Great job with what you had.

[@alexmoore1506]

Stew Knoles they still find their niche though in the carry department though. Usually a bit easier to carry (of course depends on the person) and if you're unfortunate to live in a state with a mag cap restriction, but lucky enough to be able to carry.

[@Nivlarus]

Your "french pronunciation" is pretty good! Thank you for your work on Forgotten Weapons by the way. A french follower.

[@khaelamensha3624]

Entièrement d accord !

[@troy9477]

Nice. I used to shoot club matches years ago at a club in Mariposa, CA. About 3 hrs away. I preferred the run and gun style to the Steel Challenge, because therw was more variety.I was in LE for 20 years, so i strived for accuracy over speed, especially with the hostage targets. I started with my duty P229 and branched out from there. I used a diff gun every month for awhile, including revolvers, then mostly settled on the Para Ord single stack i bought new in '06 just for the competitions. Made me a better shooter and i learned a lot. Any shortcomings in the gun, holster, pouches etc quickly became apparent, as did any sight issues. The Hi-Power was another favorite. Putting 250-300 rounds through a gun in 1 day, in all diff situations and distances, is a great way to wring it out and build your skills (some stop plates were as far as 30 yards). I orided myself on using stock guns with iron sights, and regular holsters, where many of the guys had full race guns with optics and competition holsters. I usually placed in the top third of iron sight shooters because i didn't worry about speed much, only accuracy, due to my job. Try competition, either IDPA or club matches. You will like it

[@johnhans2929]

The plum coloration of the slide is beautiful.

[@dombouttes7026]

This was the gun we had during our French military service in 1990. We called it P.A. Thanks for the 2 videos.

[@khaelamensha3624]

Yup but I was a far better shot with the famas 😂

[@Taistelukalkkuna]

Stop....Hammer Bite!

[@jameshealy4594]

I made millions as a shooter but then pissed it all away and became a god-botherer.

[@erichumann7642]

In french, the hammer is called "le chien" (the dog), and I have been bitten several times by this one.

[@erichumann7642]

The hammer block safety is what killed a Gendarme, unable to shoot a terrorist, so a terrible misconception.

[@WhiskeyRiverRifleman]

nice job Ian that pistol looks very shootable and I thought you shot well great video thank you for sharing! I really like your competition shooting videos with these old guns and I hope you do more of them

[@hussar1681]

It looks like in case of this pistol, right handed people could totally go without rocking the slide like you, as we could drop it with a thumb instead. Not a left-friendly gun it seems. Still I bet that the same thing happened to someone out there in the line of duty when he'd was in a pinch... :/

[@drmaudio]

That cool looking finish makes up for some of its short comings. I really like that.

[@JerryEricsson]

I ran into that reddish blue when refinishing some rifles, particularly the P-14 and M1917 rifle actions. My fellow gunsmith explained it had to do with the type of steel as well as the heat treatment of the steel when the firearm was built. I built 3 different calibers on P14 actions, mainly because of their ability to take magnum calibers and their strength, all had the same red-blue color when I blued them up.

[@mrmactknife]

This looks like loads of fun. I wish were able to do this kind of shooting here in England.

[@Burningnewt]

I would love to see one of these competitions where you use a Luger with snail drum magazines

[@Surv1ve_Thrive]

You mean use a Luger like not buy it dinner first?

[@travispowell2471]

This is one of my fav. type of vids you do. Watching you run these older pistols in matches shows us just how good or bad these really were.

[@roger_revo]

Suggestions: Reload while moving. See 1:10 Barney up at the start of the stage. See 3:44-3:51 Don't shoot the pistol empty. See 4:54

[@darink300zx]

On a positive note, at least you know the safety does work! Lol. Great video as always.

[@JRassi_Militaria]

I've had the same sort of issue accidentally engaging the safety on other pistols where the lever is mounted on the slide (3'rd gen S&W autoloaders, and the Beretta 92) When dropping the slide manually. Those pistols all tend to have huge slide locks, so I make use of them.

[@Douglas-Ops]

Nice run, good to see another “lefty” who likes vintage guns. Thanks for posting!👍🏼

[@RealLuckless]

Has anyone ever tried tuning steel targets? ... This has to have been done before, right? Watching this has randomly made me really want to hear a few shooters playing Christmas music or something 'on bells'...

[@SgtKOnyx]

RealLuckless Yes, look musical guns/targets up

[@Xtorin_Housecat_Ohern]

yes they have, look up musical targets

[@willybee3056]

RealLuckless I was thinking the same thing lol... Yankee Doodle, , came to mind,, or Revalee?

[@RealLuckless]

I was thinking several players with belt fed weapons... There has to be some group out there with a cannon who want to put on the 1812 overture.

[@willybee3056]

RealLuckless It would only take money... And With the way society has transmuted the definition of art and music,,, whose to say that it would not be the next trend in a heavy metal band....... :)

[@yeyito3676]

It was awesome to see the gun not just in a historical context but in a real world application!!!!!! Would give more likes if I could!!!!!

[@lewisleonard7200]

I would like you to see you shoot this course and compare times of MAC 50, SIG P210, and Browning HP. I would love to hear your evaluations of these pistols.

[@gavindavies793]

Nice to see a historical video followed by practical video on the same gun. Really helps tie everything together. Personally 'd be tempted to remove the safety for matches. I never trust a safety anyway. I'd rather just unload and show clear etc. Keep up the great work :)

[@antondemeyer777]

do more of these tactical shooting vids if you can ! they're awesome !!

[@TriggerMeKaNiK]

Antonymus 19 Ian and his friend Carl post videos like this frequently over at InRangeTv.

[@totalal4601]

nice french pronunciation! :)

[@Karl-ps1rc]

Allan C Yeah, for an American I'm very impressed. ;)

[@alexhaines4190]

Allan C the only things that is French that every American can pronounce is Chevrolet

[@CoPstesr42]

Nah Quebecois sounds more rural. The "uhn" sound in words, for example the french word for "one" is usually pronounced as "ewn", more or less.

[@coyopapy452]

il prononce plutot bien c'est vrais

[@Crimsonier]

i love that burnt bronze look an the slide how is it finished

[@connfizzle882]

I must say good sir, that beret works magnificently.

[@quakeerc]

Nice shirt with "les devises de la France , à savoir , liberté , égalité, fraternité" ;)

[@Nihilvidz]

Awesome t-shirt. Merci pour cette video :) Love from France

[@Scott079]

I never realized before this that Ian was a lefty I'd like to see this re-done with someone that was right-handed to see if they encountered the same problems with that frame mounted safety

[@SgtKOnyx]

Scott Pochini How long have you been with us? Watch any video of Ian shooting a bolt action.

[@tinymud3324]

Hickok 45 complains about the same issue with the IWI CZ75 when the safety is mounted on the rack. That's a great pistol but give me a Belgium Browning Hi-Power P35 any day for a combat pistol. Maybe a CZ 75B or T33 without that rack mounted safety.

[@MrJohnn57]

I had the same safety problem when I shot this gun in my Corporal formation (stage caporal en français, or FGE) : disengage the safety before loading the mag put and rengage it when I racked the slide

[@philippejacquescujodefortu2434]

You are right. The hammer bites. It happened to me many times.

[@lemanchecgil-richard5314]

Use the slider release after reloading, this way you won't have problems with the safety (for right handed shooter)

[@PalmettoNDN]

Bravo, l'arme à feu Jésus! On another note, that pistol seems to seriously pull to the right. Comme c'est terrible! La morsure du marteau!

[@LeFeuauxpoudres]

2nd time I watch this video because it's very nice to see french gun! And such a shame they are not findable in french market... Or at crazy prices. Like 1500€?! How much in USA for this gun?

[@drakozozhaeternus2840]

I really like that kind of bronze-y finish on the slide

[@duncanbrown1864]

Like how you end up checking the safety after the mag changes!!!

[@CKinnerley]

Can't be 100%, but I've fired a C96 where the hammer dropped but no mark was made on the primer. I'm not sure if the safety on that does the same sort of thing (i.e. allow hammer fall but lock the firing from moving) but there wasn't even a dink on the percussion cap.

[@steamboatmodel]

In the 1950s 9 shot magazines were considered adequate as most had used 6 shot revolvers before then.

[@AdrienHartmann]

Your french is perfect ;) ! merci pour la video !

[@ForgottenWeapons]

Thanks!

[@onpsxmember]

That safety gets easily engaged while gripping the slide? Oui. Look at this replacement from Beretta, the soldiers feel right at home. Is that the reason they opted for a Decocker only with the PAMAS G1-Variant?

[@callooomi1551]

Amazing shooting! Shame about the safety being engaged when you rack the slide. You would of thought that would have been highlighted during its use.

[@tinuraviel9507]

nice video Ian. Kinda remind me of some tactical trainings i made in the army some years ago in Kabul. The safety issue you had was mostly because you're a lefty i'm sorry for you. Righty will use slide release lever and it is how we were trained with this pistol. Lefty were trained to use weak hand to release slide not to rack it.

[@robertjohnson9756]

Engaging the safety when manipulating the slide is common with pistols with slide mounted safeties the berreta 92s/m9 have that same problem ive also seen it happen on ruger p95 need to use the slide release or switch the safety to decoder only so even if u engage it u can still fire in double action but that wouldn't apply to this pistol

[@Stephanederrick]

J'ai possédé personnellement un mac50 pour faire du tir sportif pendant plusieurs années et l'ai aussi utiliser en tant que militaire, ce n'est pas un mauvais pistolet mais cette sûreté à toujours été un énorme problème surtout en situation de stress.

[@alaincharlesleroy87]

Moi j'ai eu la chance d'avoir en Afrique un STAR super B, la copie espagnole du Colt 1911 US en 9 mm. Je le préférait au MAC 50 kzbin.info/www/bejne/fmiQeJ6Le5qpnrc

[@GLUSCKMC]

Were the French troops trained to use the slide release instead of racking the slide? I could see them accidentally engaging the safety being a reoccurring problem

[@karadocdevannes4687]

GLUSCKMC 7801 recoil spring is strong enough to allow using only slide release and not cock the gun again when changing magasine. And then, in 1950 it wasn’t intended to change sidearm’s magasine in combat situation or switch from long gun to pistol during combat like we do today... holsters were locked, the main fear was losing the gun not having to draw it like a « ok corral » fast draw battle... and you only had one magasine in standard practice, not two...

[@piritskenyer]

That's why I prefer using the slide stop to go back to fire after a fresh mag. Hand goes nowhere near the safety.

[@troy9477]

what is the button looking thing behind the trigger and just below the slide release? Is it the pin or bar on which the trigger pivots? I am LH myself. I often find myself using the slide release with my trigger finger on 1911's and some others. However, i agree that slingshot or over the top technique is better for combat shooting. Just gotta train it i guess in the specific pistol. I used to love running single stacks and even revolvers at club matches i used to attend. (In fact in Sept of '06 i bought a new Para Ordnance Single Stack specifically for this, since i did not have a 5" steel 1911, just Commanders). Unfortunately it was almost a 3 hr drive one way and i had to quit going. There is an IDPA place not far away, but they do tend to be a little rule rigid. Great video as always.

[@janzahalka9096]

In some shooting schools, you are thought to drop the slide after the mag change by running the slide, completely ignoring the slide release-it is supposed to get you more "positive" grip and better way of operating the gun during the reload. That was my first notion watching the previous video - the safety is veery awkwardly placed. Add to it the choice of safe position and - congrats, you've surpassed awkwardness of berreta's safety switch... I am "glad" to see My assumption was correct.

[@Hervé-v2t]

😂 Bonjour Ian, un classique, la sûreté manuelle ! Quand j'étais policier en CRS, avant l'arrivée du Sig SP2022, c'était le Mle50 en dotation. Un 'truc' typiquement Français 😅 consistait à coincer un morceau de chambre à air derrière la sûreté... Tu devrais essayer ! Cheers

[@Hervé-v2t]

Pour ta parfaite information, le pistolet se portait NON CHAMBRÉ à l'étui, il fallait donc en cas d'usage de l'arme, sortir puis chambrer le pistolet avant le tir, d'où l'importance de ne pas mettre involontairement la sûreté (d'où le coup de la chambre à air...) Bonne chance pour la traduction 😂

[@grantlee77]

The first time I shot with the MAC50, I had the same issue with the safety. It's really a desing flaw. That said, I am from today, the happy owner of a nice MAC50. These are damn hard to get here in France.

[@ShawarmaFarmer]

Interesting issues. It be cool to see you do a video on the Claridge Hi Tec S9, pretty unique and there's not a lot of information out there on them

[@harrycallahan9733]

1:52 Man I thought Beretta 92 kind of slide mounted safeties might got pushed down into safe when doing the overhand charge (but it also allows you to grab those "ears" and make loading easier), this gun's safety definitely takes the cake as the crappiest I've seen :)

[@trlprk]

nice shooting, that looked like fun

[@Otso_66N]

Nice french pronunciation Ian, enjoying these vids as always ! :)

[@brandonrentschler7535]

I need a video about Ian talking about pistol shooting and things he learned from bullseye.

[@csn_pa]

Thanks for the video ! Btw, nice t-shirt :) Cheers from France

[@armusx]

Ian has a flinch? Suddenly I don't feel so bad about mine.

[@muhammadnasrawangolra2112]

Sir you are a great shooter !

[@davidlacoste]

Magnifique t-shirt.

[@mistermanji]

I feel like a right-hander would find it easier to sweep the safety with the thumb if it got knocked into SAFE. Additionally, I think they would be less likely to engage the safety in the first place when racking the slide. Basically, the gun doesn't like left-handed shooters.

[@lafeelabriel]

Take it this is pretty much why you don't see anyone else (as I recall) using a similar safety. Not exactly a gun expert myself but I can see why that would be a..bit of a issue.

[@chrisfarr9494]

What you did is actually the same as what can happen with the Beretta 92F , thats why the French did not adopt the F version of the 92 but the G version .

[@KincadeCeltoSlav]

Merci, Mon Capitan!

[@johnsykora439]

WE want to see a MAT 49 pretty please

[@ModelOmegaForReal]

Neat gun, even at the time with a 9 round mag and that safety issue is there any reason to use this over say, a Hi Power?

[@dalesubic345]

Ian gets better at shooting. That is good. And on the third day GOD said that it was good. And, Ian is OK and shooting not so bad.

[@slidewayz432]

Respect. Pistols are difficult to shoot I'm still trying to get good 400 rounds in seeing a little improvement but I'll get there one day

[@jeyendeoso]

hey Gun Jesus, nice C&Rsenal tshirt. :)

[@nicomasanori5205]

Ce maillot avec notre devise française! Ahaha J'adore !

[@whylie74]

surprised you didn't go for the MAB PA15 instead.

[@stanfordwillis4841]

I can't wait for those to be released to civilian market here in France, definitely getting myself one when they do. Believe it or not, those are hard to come by for us too. Nice work on the pronounciation ! La france te salut

[@alexmoore1506]

Vincent Grumelart pity there isn't much you'd even be able to do with them over there.

[@Tychus]

Bon sang, where did you find that shirt ? The révolutionnaire in me needs it so bad !

[@Famine2k]

Come to Australia where 10 round mags are all that you are allowed. Means that some Handguns which would suffer badly in other places (due to low capacity) actually are pretty good here.

[@alexmoore1506]

Famine2k probably can't do much with them though

[@Famine2k]

Alex Moore Unfortunately organised comps or prac days at a range only. No shooting on private property which sucks ass.

[@merlemorrison482]

how difficult is it to find extra mags for this?

[@ForgottenWeapons]

Generally pretty difficult. There are a couple on gunbroker right now, though.

[@JenniferinIllinois]

Ian - making forgotten weapons tacticool. ☺ -Jen

[@Nate_the_Nobody]

It looks like the temporary work around for him was just not running it empty causing a slide lock open

[@oOkenzoOo]

For it's nice pronunciation and outfit i give 10 points to the house of Mccollum XD

[@Oblithian]

I feel like the safety being knocked on may have been an intended feature.

[@Omgwtfbbqsammich]

Not sure if it's been said but for the sake of experimentation, did you try charging the gun right handed to see if the safety would engage that way as well? Just curious if the design maybe just neglected lefties (as they usually do).

[@fatshadow2062]

Magnum GI returns!!!!

[@flashang5547]

hey i got a request. do u think u can do a video on the BESA machine gun?

[@SgtKOnyx]

I think the safety wouldn't be a problem for a right handed shooter using the left hand to rack the slide

[@ljmtac]

Ian get biten by the mac 50 some grip exist for that" trausch grip" . there is also a trick(leather tongue straped on the grip with a rubber band ) col "Jeff COOPER" said"abbout the mac 50 it can be the best pistol ever made but it's in 9MM". here in france a nice mac 50 it's 2000$ if u can find one the blue is strange

[@owainrichards4372]

By the looks of it it's shoots a bit high?

[@BNRmatt]

Is that one of C&Rsenal's shirts?

[@34powers]

The Beretta 92FS has the same problem with the safety.

[@coyopapy452]

ahah génial le T-shirt ;)

[@mkevhne]

Is it supposed to have that bronze-ish color?

[@morroes]

Your french pronunciation is so lovely ^^ cheers

[@fromach]

If it were my gun, I'd probably paint the bottom of the safety lever bright orange or something just to get used to dropping that safety if it gets flipped when racking the slide.Nothing too permanent, but something to get me into the habit.

[@aspyromilios]

very nice gun

[@triggerfingerstudios]

Shooting left handed, I don't rack the slide in competition, but instead hit the slide release with my left forefinger. Yeah that's a bad slide mounted safety.