Mac Pro (2019) - 3 Years Later!

[@Hypnodog_]

The case design has aged really well, it's still one of the sleekest computers I've ever seen. Hopefully you can keep it running for a long time! The new Mac Pro is essentially just a Mac Studio with a massive PCI-E backplane

[@accordinglyryan]

I doubt I'll ever let go of this thing even when I do eventually replace it. Definitely one of Apple's best designs ever imo. Yeah the new one is such a confusing product lol. Some people have said they intended on making a more powerful "M2 Extreme" version but canceled it at the last minute which kinda would explain why what we got is so odd.

[@xinyuinternational]

Today I bought a DELL workstation. Although the configuration is higher, I used this MAC 2019 to install the WINDOWS operating system more smoothly than the Dell one. So I returned the Dell workstation.

[@heroninja1125]

Would be nice if they revived the mac pro. After the unfortunate m2 ultra mac pro, even though they are probably going to kill it off, it would be nice if they did a turnaround and made an m3 extreme mac pro with more modular parts or something like that.

[@redesignedlife777]

After they use up the old style cases, they will probably release a Mac Pro that is half the current size of it.

[@randomrazr]

3 years already????

[@accordinglyryan]

Time flies lol

[@VST2323]

is it great to nuy this in 2023/2024 are wait until the new one comes out 2024?

[@accordinglyryan]

I would recommend against buying this nowadays, you're better off with a Mac Studio or MacBook Pro

[@VST2323]

@@accordinglyryan ook thanks

[@RZ302]

Depends on your budget and what you want. If you‘d like to get a pretty good Mac Pro which might lose software support soon, you can get one for 1.5 to 2k right now, which is way cheaper than they were just a couple years ago. If you feel like spending significantly more money for an up to date one, wait for new models. If you do not need any PCI lanes, get a Mac Studio.

[@VST2323]

@@RZ302 ok i will thank you

[@Junigetsdown]

Cool Video! Would you consider a display like the Studio Display or the LG Ultrafine?

[@TravisLohmannMusic]

i STILL want one, for music production.

[@infitiumusic]

Looking to buy one for same reason

[@macguru9999]

I think the main thing the 2023 mac pro gives you is more internal storage ... not sure if thats enough for most people. I still have my 2019 with 14TB total storage, but my everyday is an M1pro macbook in clamshell mode, 1TB inside and 12TB attached by thunderbolt (usbC) 8TB is a file bucket and 4TB is a time machine for the internal drive (the filebucket is copied elsewhere)

[@claytonberg721]

You can get a 2019 mac pro for $1100 now. In a few years when you can get the 2023 mac pro for that or less (maybe less?) it will make a killer home server. Yeah you can do that with a 7,1 or even a 5,1 but these xeon chips are power hogs. Apple silicon doesn't pull much power off the wall.

[@alexblankenship7385]

As a 12 year old when this thing came out I was obsessed with the design and really wanted it but obviously wasn't going to get a $5999 thing. I can get the M2 Pro Mini now for just $1299 with a 10c CPU. I'm so glad there's more Pro level Apple desktops that cost less.

[@accordinglyryan]

Yeah for a while there they were seriously lacking in the desktop department. The M2 Mini is a great deal

[@RedLeo-pf9yo]

Can you make Hollywood movies with this thing?

[@applewolfx6472]

can it run star citizen?

[@Technocrat.]

How does this Mac Pro run in windows 10 and 11, If someone was to buy it used on a deal exclusively as a Windows machine. Will the cards or modules be compatible fully with Windows?

[@accordinglyryan]

Runs totally fine under BootCamp, everything works, but if you just want a PC your money is better spent on something else, at least right now.

[@petepowaaa]

Are you thinking of getting the apple display 27 now that the prices are down? I heard the speakers are great

[@accordinglyryan]

Apple doesn't make a high refresh rate monitor so no

[@RZ302]

I don‘t get why the M2 mac pro exists. They should‘ve just done another Intel upgrade until they got their M-chips where they need to be for a Pro device.

[@RZ302]

The model identifier for the M2 one is also not MacPro8,1 but Mac14,8 which is very weird. Not even the identifier is pro.

[@yaboisuprimus]

12th Gen/LGA 1700 Intel CPUs and RDNA3 support would've been great

[@Taras-Nabad]

So even the newest Mac does not have M.2 on the motherboard?

[@Tigerex966]

Is there a way to install a mac mini inside for luke a dual m1 intel or an afaoter for the latest ceon chips even if only linix and windows. I heard you can use under windows the amd 7900xtx card.. No sure about nvidia under opencore windows.

[@LeeBlaske]

Lots of people can make use of the PCIe slots. NVMe SSDs on PCIe cards have incredible performance, and they work much faster inside a Mac Pro than they would in an external enclosure. That also eliminates a lot of external clutter (enclosures, wall warts, power strips and cabling). And, a lot of those external enclosures have noisy fans that are not good in a recording studio.

[@accordinglyryan]

I mean sure but with the new Mac Pro that's basically all you can do with them (aside from some other really niche/specialty cards). Is that worth a $3K premium over the Studio? I think not.

[@LeeBlaske]

@@accordinglyryan Start adding up the cost of Thunderbolt SSD drive, mechanical drive and NVMe enclosures, high quality Thunderbolt cables, power strips, and possibly extenders to keep those external cases and their noise far away, and maybe the cost of a quiet box for the noisy stuff, and pretty soon you've really spent a lot of that $3k you thought you saved. If you end up buying a Thunderbolt PCIe expansion chassis, you really aren't going to save anything. The ability to mount two large 3.5" mechanical drives in a Sonnet Fusion carrier in the top area of the Mac Pro (great for long term storage, and Time Machine) is another plus. Also, I've always replaced my studio Mac when a new model has come out, and I usually get a decent amount back from selling the old one. So, a good chunk of that $3k is only tied up temporarily. Check out the new 8x4 NVMe PCIe 4.0 PCIe card that Sonnet is bringing out. Fantastic for recording studio use, if you have a lot of sample library content to deal with.

[@accordinglyryan]

@@LeeBlaske I mean, I guess, but I still think that's a very niche use case. Far more niche than the 2019 model was.

[@LeeBlaske]

@@accordinglyryan Yeah, except that maxing out a 2019 model was $50,000+. In comparison, $3k is sofa cushion change. ;)

[@accordinglyryan]

@@LeeBlaske What does that have to do with this conversation? You can throw just about anything you want into the PCIe slots of the 2019, no matter if its the base model or the maxed out one. That's the point I was trying to make. The new one has far less versatility in that department, and honestly serves no purpose for 99% of people. If there was a more powerful version available I'd say otherwise, but just buy the damn Studio. Built in storage is not worth an extra $3K. There literally is no other reason to buy it.

[@Psychiatry.321]

iMac 27 2020 5K ( Core i7/i9 + AMD Pro 5700 XT) is the Best Intel-Mac made by Apple for Most users. For professional use It struggles with Logic Pro (Large Projects but if you upgrade the RAM to 128GB it runs smoothly) otherwise it's a very good machine with stunning color accuracy 27" 5K display (identical to Apple Studio Display) and it's AIO with very sleek and beautiful form factor that just needs a power cable to run + it runs Windows natively (like other Intel Macs).

[@MrMoto655]

I would love to see a Mac Pro with Apple silicon in a 2013 Mac Pro chassis. I use mine for video editing and it still does just fine. The M2 Mac Pro felt like a stop gap to fill a hole in the product line. I foresee Apple either killing it off completely or making something absolutely insane like 4 M5/M6 chips smashed together. The airflow of the case would give them a tremendous amount of thermal headroom to go wild though I don’t think it’s likely.

[@accordinglyryan]

Yeah, agreed. I think they just had too many left over 7,1 cases and wanted to do something with them. Hopefully the next Mac Pro is actually worth buying lol. I think if I had to buy a new desktop Mac right now it'd be a Studio

[@jameswallace6249]

Did you upgrade to Sonoma given they dropped boot camp?

[@accordinglyryan]

They didn't drop Boot Camp, it still works just fine for me

[@RZ302]

Bootcamp still works fine in macOS 15 even

[@peter.p.]

It has been aged down with isolated environment of MacOS and insane price setting but its concept and designs are still finest monument from all above from other tech outlets. I hate apple, but also I love apple.

[@DBLCreations]

I completely agree with you. It's a beautiful machine. I bought it as well. And even though i never regret my purchase, i start to regret it a little bit at the moment. I noticed that you can't purchase a new GPU MPX module in the Apple store. Since i'm from Belgium it's very difficult to get upgrades. I wanted a new GPU because for me, my W5700XT has been a bottleneck but i also wanted to add more thunderbolt ports. This has now become impossible and i really don't like the way Apple has treated some of their pro(sumer) customers. Even RAM is not available anymore. Though this is something you shouldn't buy from the Apple store anyway. But it shows how quickly Apple is giving up on this machine and it will only get worse. I think we might see one or two more macOS updates for it and that will be it.

[@accordinglyryan]

Yeah that’s my concern as well. Hopefully Apple will keep it updated for at least 2 or 3 more years

[@gamagama69]

cant you just mod the firmware of a 6800 xt or something?

[@rodneydangerfield7153]

Great video, Ryan!

[@shanemckenzie3862]

I have 16 core with dual 6800xt duos for 3d rendering with Redshift. Whilst it’s still the fastest Mac in the gpu department it hasn’t been without issues especially recently with changes Apple made to the compiler in Sonoma. Really does feel they have just forgotten about those who invested in this platform.

[@phantomagent7]

bro i just want to buy a 2019 Mac Pro please help me

[@accordinglyryan]

They're out there lol just look on eBay and stuff

[@phantomagent7]

@@accordinglyryan can you provide the link

[@accordinglyryan]

@@phantomagent7 Literally just go on ebay.com and search for one

[@GeekShhh]

12:31 realistic expectations.....i like that

[@parnordqvist3895]

My suggestion to Apple is that they should have both versions of this available, one with Intel and one with Apple Silicon. I still use old Mac Pro 5.1 (2012), I guess my Apple-era is over rather soon.

[@redesignedlife777]

I got rid of my 5.1. That thing was built like a tank and it was heavy. I don’t miss it one bit. Still a nice machine though

[@futurerealmstech]

Throw an Afterburner card in there for video editing. You'll probably get 4 to 6 more years of use out of it with this upgrade.

[@accordinglyryan]

I would but those things aren't cheap. Plus I think those are really only effective for ProRes content, I edit with regular H.264 video lol

[@wasdplayer]

I will probably wait for another Mac Pro with silicon. Fingers crossed it's going to be better in terms of upgradability than 2023 Mac Pro.

[@accordinglyryan]

I wouldn't hold your breath, I think this is the end of the line for modularity

[@wasdplayer]

I hope not. Really love this design. Might as well buy Intel or Silicon Mac Pro just for the design @@accordinglyryan

[@trustme2001]

It's really sad how they kind of just threw this to the side. You can pick one up now for like 1500 bucks.

[@accordinglyryan]

I try not to think about it lol

[@RZ302]

Well, that has benefits. I picked one up for less than 2000€ which Apple would‘ve otherwise sold to me for at least 6 times that money, and now I got a Mac Pro, and maybe the last x86-based Mac model ever.

[@accordinglyryan]

@@RZ302 Yeah I still don't regret my purchase. It still runs just fine on the latest macOS, and I can run Windows via bootcamp to play games occasionally. And of course, it's modular and upgradable and with a fantastic design. Apple will never make another computer like this ever again.

[@trustme2001]

@@RZ302 yeah I'm going to pick one up too but I'm going to wait until it's under a thousand. I said maybe within 2 years. Not really because I need one, but if I really like how the design looks and I've always been a fan hardware.

[@FubarMike]

For a second I thought this video was going to be you transitioning to a 2023 M2 ultra MAC Pro.

[@accordinglyryan]

Absolutely not, I explained why in the video lol

[@FubarMike]

@@accordinglyryan Yeah it was just my reaction to thew first 2 seconds of the video. You going to get the vision pro when that comes out?

[@accordinglyryan]

@@FubarMike Nah lol, I'm mildly interested in VR but I don't exactly have $3500 burning a hole in my pocket

[@julianbutler7878]

Pretty awesome machine ya got there

[@accordinglyryan]

It sure is, I still love it!

[@julianbutler7878]

@@accordinglyryan hell yeah bro!

[@phantomagent7]

bro i just want to buy buy the mac pro 2019 refurbished one

[@cosmicusstardust3300]

Be cool seeing Linux installed on this once MacOS goes EOL on here to keep the computer going

[@chrism869]

Glad this thing is still trucking along, not the fastest thing In the world, the m1 ultra or the m1 max chip would probably outperform it, but for your needs it's probably fine.

[@accordinglyryan]

Pretty much yeah. It's about equivalent to a Core i9-9900 so it's not like it's slow lol

[@Tigerex966]

I think only the media engine video encoding AI chips beat it. But this actually beats in the GPU of your have the latest amd chips. Pics chips in nvme in raid are faster than the studios ssd. The pics add tins if inputoutput options. However it may be stuck in the gpu of non one hacks it for newer gpus. Cousin if not adapter for newer xeons. But really 28cores are way more than enough. Memory upgradability ecc is insanely good and great for ram disks etc 3d card sample libraries multitasking. Build quality this will last 30 I wish it could be upgrade to pcie4 and 5 intel and amd motherboards preserving the pcie4 slots maybe with a custom kit and adapter by a madder or gigabyte or asus or something.

Tienes razón.

[@Tvj_films8452]

Look at that dinosaur lol. Jk jk

[@farsthary1984]

It was a waste of money in 2019 and it won't get better over time.

[@JackS425]

It doesn’t have to be a good financial decision to be enjoyable

[@accordinglyryan]

Yeah well, that's just like, your opinion man