Mac User Installs Arch Linux for First Time

[@SAMTIME]

Big thanks to Incogni for sponsoring this adventure into Arch, btw! The first 100 people to use code SAMTIME with the link below will get 60% off Incogni: incogni.com/samtime

[@Salt_and_Peroxide]

hey man love your videos great channel been watching you for 5 years and its onlygetting better

[@G0RSHK0V]

True blackberry user doesn't need incogni)

[@zoiuduu]

how can you make a comment 5 days ago, if the video was released today? is this some arch linux wizardry?

[@Axendane_P]

@@zoiuduu he uploaded the video 5 days ago and made it that it will be visible on 28 august 2023

[@zoiuduu]

@@Axendane_P sounds like arch linux wizardry to me

[@lasue7244]

It was pretty funny video. On a serious note if anyone wants to actually try Linux, don’t be take this as your expected experience. Sam is running Asahi Linux which is in alpha. It’s still insanely impressive because Asahi team had to reverse engineer all drivers for M1 Mac. Also final Asahi won’t be Arch based but will be based on fedora, which is a lot more friendly.

[@kazzxtrismus]

noobs will see very little difference....this will mirror their experience even if they can get it installed. dear noobs..... 1. use a live USB to try linux out....mint fedora ubuntu debian etc doesnt matter....but not arch 2. dual boot will be a nightmare for you especially if you dont know how linux will name your current drives and partitions etc (cuz it wont be C:...itll be "sda" "sdb")....(also NOTHING of any kind will be named in an expected way) 3. wifi may not work out of the box....get a cat6 cable ready (thisll be true for about 1/4 of you) 4. theres a thousand places to find software...the distro store will have about 5% of whats available 5. there is no downloading a zip and clicking install.exe with linux... the variations in the answer of "how to do it then?" are almost countless... 6. DO NOT blindly cut and paste teminal/command line commands from the internet yes i know thatll be about 80% of the "help" you get/find...half of it is old outdated or for another version of linux at best wont work...at worst will break your machine. 7. being a super/power user for windows will not help you at all... 8. a whole bunch of your peripherals will not work....video capture cards audio interfaces etc 9. you will not pickup/learn linux in a year...let alone the 1-2 months you expect. 10. linux will not listen to your complaints and will actively and intentionally NOT improve for noobs.

[@rohitk8797]

Sooner or later Fedora will be closed source…

[@daimarstein]

@@rohitk8797 imagine lying on the internet... *tsc tsc* shame you young one

[@cartanfan-youtube]

@@kazzxtrismusyou sound like Reddit goyslop

[@MarcRitzMD]

It's actually a very typical linux experience. Take everything in this video to be generalizable

[@VelvetelToo]

“The arch Linux website is the most Linux website I’ve ever seen” just wait until he finds the gentoo wiki

[@smolbirb4]

The Gentoo wiki is so goddamn good, 100x better than arch’s imo, both are great but I I find Gentoo’s much easier to navigate and just use. It also goes into much more detail. Definitely one of my most visited sites

[@waynefong5960]

both are great in my opinion

[@jackbotman]

@@waynefong5960 They work and that's all that matters

[@FahimHoq]

Or Linux from scratch 😂

[@MisterZig0]

@@FahimHoq That's just a book…

[@deadeye1652]

Asahi linux is experimental distro which they built with reverse-engineering the m1 architecture. it's pretty impressive what they accomplished and its still in experimental state for dev use only. obviously most features won't work.

[@truthmatters7573]

Audio will be enabled once it is guaranteed to work flawlessly. The speakers are one of the few components that you can actually physically damage if a bug causes the wrong signal to be sent to the speakers. If you crash your computer that's one thing, but blowing out your speakers will mean you have to get a repair done, and we all know how bad apple is with repair 😜

[@markusTegelane]

especially when they discover your put Linux on it lol

[@ThePlacehole]

"Once it works under Linux" should be the new "when pigs fly..." You still get painful headphone-destroying POP every time you connect the jack on almost every device. Well worth the price though...

[@maxpoulin64]

The audio driver is actually progressing pretty well, they think they can manage to make it sound a bit cleaner than Apple too. Asahi has a pretty decent amount of funding and on track to being one of the best supported Macs on Linux. It's going extremely fast. The fact that we got fully compliant GLES 3.1 already is impressive.

[@MarcRitzMD]

2023 will be the year of Linux on Macs! Remind me every year from now until I die to update this

[@_thresh_]

apple be like: YoU PuT LiNuX On iT NoW ItS BeYoNd rEpAiR ThAt wIlL Be 100000 dOlLaRs fOr hArMiNg oUr bRaNd

[@APPLP1E]

Debian user here, probably the worst thing to install Linux on is a Mac. Like, seriously.

[@frenzscivola3099]

Have you tried a phone?

[@APPLP1E]

@@frenzscivola3099 Android uses Linux so it's compatible with a phone ;)

[@pauldwalker]

linux mint user here. it just works on my mac. intel mac, that is.

[@TheLonelyMoon]

not always. Linus Torvalds loves his m2 MacBook Air. Asahi Arch is just a bad choice. I'm an Arch user, I love Arch, but the ARM project is poorly maintained. You'd have much better luck using their main project, Fedora

[@biscotty6669]

"Tell me everything I'm doing wrong.": Installing Arch. Everything else wrong is a logical consequence.

[@robonator2945]

I mean there were a lot of contributors, but yeah. Hell even I don't bother to use native arch, I just use a derivative that pulls from the native arch repos. Using alpha asahi/arch on an m1 and minimal linux experience is basically asking for trouble.

[@biscotty6669]

@@robonator2945 Arch is good for learning how to fix things when they break, and everyone loves the AUR repo. In a world of distrobox, etc. you can always use an AUR package if you really need to, which most people won't. And I prefer not having to fix things. (BTW NixOS actually has a larger repository.)

[@romantechplus]

As a Manjaro user I... yeah... that's about right tbh

[@TrevelyanOO6]

I assume it was an AppleSilicon mac, Ashahi linux was his only real option and it’s currently based on arch. So assuming your premise, he was doomed before even starting.

[@tangledwires485]

Arch (btw) user here...yeah you're right

[@MasterGeekMX]

Asahi isn't linux "made easy" for the mac. Is a massive project that takes linux and adapts it to run on the new M-series macs, as they not only use ARM CPU's (unlike most of computers out there that use x86 CPU's), but they have custom graphics and other stuff that they need to reverse engineer as there is no documentation or anything about them. It initally used Arch as their base, but recently they made a partnership with Fedora to use them as base instead.

[@νικηφόροςκατακτητής]

may I ask the recommended linux to install on m2?

[@MasterGeekMX]

@@νικηφόροςκατακτητής Asahi. Currently there is no other option.

[@RMED24]

​@@νικηφόροςκατακτητήςasahi Linux or the fedora asahi spin

[@arturpaivads]

​@@νικηφόροςκατακτητήςThere is none

[@Enum_Dev]

@@νικηφόροςκατακτητής Do not. None of it is good at the moment and probably won't be for at least another 3-4 years. If you are a beginner just stay away from Linux on any arm mac. If you have an older intel mac you can try any Linux Distribution you find online. Personally I recommend Linux Mint. It's easy to use, fast and looks good but virtually anything will work. JUST do not try arch or anything based on it. Arch is a Linux distribution created for experienced users that want to have control over every simple thing on their system

[@ekim4926]

> Install a developing version of an unstable distro on unsupported hardware > “WhY dIdN’t StUfF wOrK oUt Of ThE bOx?”

[@Brahvim]

Surprised about *_how much_* actually worked.

[@ThePrazzel]

>Linux user finding someone using Linux for the first time >"WhY aRe YoU sO sTuPiD?"

[@BruceNJeffAreMyFlies]

@@ThePrazzel Cute strawman.

[@CG_Hali]

Sam proving that though he's only got one ball now, he still dares the world like he's got 2 humongous ones!

[@asbeltrion]

What was that about a ball?

[@markm0000]

@@asbeltrionhe had testicular cancer a few years ago. Had to get rid of one of his boys.

[@yt-mull0r]

Uniballers unite! I am a lefty, Sam!

[@markm0000]

@@yt-mull0r now kith

[@lil_brumski]

​@@markm0000ouch!

[@moose43h]

Running Linux literally on the least supported device

[@Captain_Shadow10]

With an indev build

[@saidtorres3]

Bet windows can run on it flawlessly.

[@Captain_Shadow10]

@@saidtorres3 unlikley, well mabye, but it couldn't run x64 or x86 based apps iirc, due to it being an arm system and not a x64 system

[@ThejaKarnati]

The most Linux thing anyone can do

[@frostiefops]

@@saidtorres3 windows can't run natively on apple's modification of ARM - the asahi team literally had to reverse engineer the architecture (and most likely write drivers for it) so it's impressive linux runs on it at all

[@altrogeruvah]

Who in the right mind suggests Arch + KDE to a macOS user... I feel sorry for everyone who watches this video and might think "wow, Linux looks as ugly and obtuse as I've always imagined it to be" and frankly, rightfully so. Linux doesn't have to be hard! Something like Fedora or Debian + GNOME can sit much better on the hands of a macOS user, much better and familiar UI/UX experience.

[@Matrox473]

even worse when you consider that he's using a VERY early alpha version of linux for M1 mac since Apple document fuck all

[@smishyt]

GNOME is the one that gives bad impression of Linux.

[@Ajay-pf6bv]

In fact, as an almost 20 years Mac user I switched 3 years ago from MacOS to ArchLinux with KDE Plasma but on x86. Tried Tiling Window Managers and Gnome with tiling functionality in between and now I'm using the best of all worlds in Plasma. Mac desktop layout, a start menu like in Windows, virtual desktops and auto-tiling as you would use it in a TWM. One of the best decisions in my life.

[@maxpoulin64]

​@@smishytGNOME is a bad choice for Windows users, but for Mac users it's actually fairly similar to the Mac workflow and a good choice. They're already used to needing to use exposé, the lack of taskbar, oversimplified menus, limited options and choices.

[@MrAshCreates]

Tbf you can fully customize kde to look like a mac and that’s what mine looks like

[@arrayindexoutofboundsexcep1088]

Installing Arch and expecting that everything works is like saying "I buy a house" and just buy the bricks and then complain that the kitchen stove doesn't work properly.

[@jubinthomas5204]

dude u are gold..its sad to see you are not getting any new followers..cheers mate

[@unicodefox]

1:03 - Asahi Linux isn't an easier way to install Arch Linux. Its a project for making Linux run on M1. While there is a distro called Asahi Linux that you can install on your machine today, in the future, the goal is for there to be no such thing as Asahi Linux you install, you just install Ubuntu, Debian, Arch, etc for M1 which includes all the M1 drivers and special sauces 4:16 - Audio through the internal speakers would be possible to enable today if they wanted to - however, they still haven't worked out all the proper safeties and tunings to prevent your speakers from blowing up. Apparently, this contains a lot of very complex math (like having to simulate the temperature of the speakers). The Asahi developers in general are very focused on doing things *right* before doing it fast.

[@arturpaivads]

The audio is now fixed on fedora ;)

[@Spencer-wc6ew]

The Arch wiki used to have a setup page that was way friendlier to beginners. But it violated the wiki's rule of "assume people read every page you link to and repeat no info"

[@Voidkitty_]

it takes a while to figure out how to RTFM but once you learn, you are invincible and also a god (I use arch btw)

[@albatross7]

😂😂 those basement dwellers need to touch grass sometimes to get a grasp of real world

[@wwtapsable]

regular arch actually made an install script for stupid people, just boot up run the script and arch is automagically installed. I don't like it, ever since that, support forums have been getting a lot more traffic from stupid people who should be using ubuntu instead. at least gentoo is still safe for now

[@arturpaivads]

Imagine having to update that page every time another thing change hahaha

[@edwardecl]

Now try Windows on your M1 mac... The fact that it works at all is impressive considering people had to reverse engineer the hardware drivers, also it's "alpha".

[@clockblower6414]

Nah that's disgusting lol! he fixed his hardware by installing Linux best not screw it up by installing spyware on it

[@radio_marco]

Oh dear, oh dear... This sounds fun. I don't have a mac though.

[@XeZrunner]

Given that it can only be virtualized for now, it would pretty much be a "one-click" install in Parallels. I do wonder if it ever will be able to install on bare metal though.

[@robonator2945]

​@@XeZrunner uh, does anyone want to tell them?

[@arturpaivads]

​​@@XeZrunnerVMs doesn't count... I wanna see he trying to install on bare metal hahahahahahahhaha. And your "for now" is pretty optimistic hahahahahahahhaha

[@superhero5390]

Most intelligent mac user😂

[@g4mingaz]

Please do a part two. This was super fun to watch!

[@truthmatters7573]

possibly with fedora asahi

[@senorbinario2855]

I agree

[@Iisakki3000]

Part 2 with fedora or something else with gnome desktop.

[@b4nes]

part two is he got the macos back, that's why this video is uploaded

[@Jokamutta]

@@truthmatters7573Is the Japanise Asahi beer named after that? :D

[@TheZedrem]

Fun fact: website (the safari browser engine that the chrome one is also based on) is based on KHTML, a browser engine made by KDE. So basically, safari is a Linux /s

[@KanadGodse]

WebKit*

[@nabsi2321]

Yeah Safari is based on WebKit that is developed by Apple, but you know the reasons the UserAgent in browsers say something like "Safari 1.0 (KHTML; Like Gecko)" something along those lines. Is due to the reason the websites use the UserAgent to disable and enable certain features, and for example if web browser supported all Gecko and KHTML features but the actual browser lacked some, it could use these variants instead indicating it has support for it. It's essentially used to indicate whenever browser supports certain HTML/CSS/JavaScript features. edit: But originally yeah it was based on KHTML, but the original code is probably long gone. And on the other hand MacOS itself is Unix, very close to Linux in terms of architecture and API.

[@electricalbatross5797]

@@nabsi2321 nerd

[@aqua-bery]

​@@electricalbatross5797Ur boring

[@aqua-bery]

​@@nabsi2321that's cool! Thanks for the info :)

[@PavakPaul]

As a Linux user running Arch on desktop and Ubuntu on laptop, I had fun watching this video.

[@solidhyrax]

You're using Asahi Linux which is a development distro still not ready for shipping. If you actually want a working setup you ideally don't use an apple product. Asahi isn't Arch btw.

[@monochrome_linux]

I wouldn't say that. Asahi is the hardware drivers and all needed to run Linux on macs. The distribution is still Arch. So yes, it's still arch but with more pain, cus of lacking hardware support.

[@vlad165]

@@monochrome_linuxI believe now Asahi is based on Fedora. But at the moment when this video was recorded it was still Arch

[@arturpaivads]

​@@monochrome_linuxWell... He wasn't stuck on a CLI trying to partition his disks before the install. So I would agree that Asahi is not Arch já hahahaha. Its more a Manjaro, they give you a "ready to use" KDE environment.

[@truthmatters7573]

Nice to see you living life on the wild side! You can also try Fedora Asahi next time :)

[@zorromci]

Really enjoying this channel (subscriber since the Linus Tech Tips apology), hopefully it beats the algorithm soon!!

[@mirmarq429]

He's been doing this for years, I wouldn't count on it

[@jaames]

Wow, the comment section is a battlefield. I usually experience Windows PC Master Race fanboys throwing cannonballs my way as a MacOS user (not knowing I started using computers on DOS) but dang, Linux users attacking fellow Linux users are on a whole different ball game.

[@oussama7132]

the reason you had a terrible experience is that you didn't install [Insert linux distro here]

[@somnia3423]

but he didnt had a terrible experience did he? arch did just work

[@randomness0]

@@somnia3423 Most people here don't realize that Asahi is still not ready. So they are talking about issues like the audio.

[@jimmyneutron129]

The big reason is that Asahi is alpha, so it's a bit like if I install a Windows developer version and blame Windows for not working. If people tell you to use alpha state software, they are dumb

[@Hatchray]

Arch users are screaming at their screens in rage watching this......... I love it.

[@Eren_Yeager_is_the_GOAT]

Yeah I don’t understand why my fellow arch btw users get so mad about this video, i think it was really funny

[@monochrome_linux]

At this point it's just a comedy show 😂 like LTT's videos

[@randomness0]

@@monochrome_linux actually this is a more honest review than LTT's video. If Linus got his hands on this installation he might have messed up the one liner to get discover working and then borked his system somehow.

[@arturpaivads]

Honestly I laughted my ass out. I think Arch users don't want other people using their system so they don't care much about those things... I use Arch btw. Im legally bound to write that sentence hahahahahahhahahaha

[@arturpaivads]

​@@randomness0I don't think Linus would get out of the boot CD terminal... Asking Linus to install Arch is like asking your grandmother to install Windows. She makes a hell of a good cookie, but she cannot format your laptop.

[@sleidardicumaris]

This is the funniest thing i've seen in a while! Keep it up Sam!

[@davey820051]

Even Sam's advert reads are funny ("...get ahold of your privates and try 'em out!")

[@IcHamza]

his KiTi video is one of the best

[@alfredolouro3773]

I've been running Linux Mint on my Macbook and my Imac for years, and it works beautifully. If it was for Apple I wouldn't be able to do anything with them because the last version of MacOS they could handle wasn't supported any more.

[@arturpaivads]

Intel macs are far easier to install Linux because they are basically PCs with MacOS hahahaha

[@perrypereyra6671]

just finished watching this, the most laugh I've ever had this month. good job Sam!!!

[@RyeMoes]

Amazing video. More tech reviews for alpha products please, love it. Haha

[@slapout7]

We need a whole series of videos with him trying different operating systems and distros

[@IvoPavlik]

Sounds like fun 🙂

[@arturpaivads]

But he is on a Mac. Dunno how feasable it would be (not ironically).

[@KuraV12]

Sam literally read my mind, i just installed arch on my intel macbook manually btw

[@ronny12tech]

Glad to see my favourite KZbinrs are switching to Linux as well, that's what I'm planning to do as well. Gonna make some videos of the whole process that might be helpful to some

[@Tyler-Kearney]

There is a qt5 dependency you need to install the dependencies to get discover to work. It is pretty simple to add, it’s due to arch being very barebones, literally all that’s installed is what you request to be installed.

[@albatross7]

Yeah yeah that’s how people are supposed to use their computers, sure

[@Tyler-Kearney]

@@albatross7 well arch and kde are both primarily meant moreso for power users. People who already know what they’re doing. For someone who isn’t already familiar with Linux I’d say use Ubuntu, Linux mint, or pop os, either gnome or cinnamon for the desktop environment, you’ll immediately be able to get around the os as naturally as if you were just using windows or macOS.

[@arturpaivads]

​@@albatross7Being honest. People should not use Arch as their first contact with Linux... You wouldn't make your first computer drawing on Photoshop, you would start with Paint...

[@boredhuman9289]

This video is a true delight! I enjoyed every second of it (as a Linux user).

[@Ametisti]

I've never tried using Linux on a Mac but have had excellent luck with it on ~wintel~ machines. Mostly old Atom netbooks, and a few P4 era things. I haven't tried Arch though, pretty much just Ubuntu based things, Mint mostly.

[@DefenDefault4]

This was a really funny experience, the worda they use in the error and infos are just funny.

[@athirsonsilva3808]

I would suggest trying out Gnome for your Desktop Environments as it is similar to MacOS in some aspects, more than KDE at least, and a Distro like PopOS, Mint or even Ubuntu, that aren't as bare-bones as the one you installed (Asahi isn't Arch btw).

[@someguy9175]

also don't run linux on a m1 mac

[@Yelms-j1d]

​@@someguy9175Asahi Linux is great on the M1

[@athirsonsilva3808]

@@someguy9175 Yeah, if you want to just use Linux why bother buying an overprinced product to install it on.

[@Untitled_Pribor]

@@someguy9175that’s probably the best advice. Even on later intel macs linux isn’t that great. On my MacBook (MacBookPro14,2) the wifi barely works, speakers don’t work and for whatever reason i can’t mount usb drives. Fortunately i have a better computer that runs linux perfectly

[@smishyt]

Hell no. GNOME runs so much worse on M1 Mac. Stay with Plasma.

[@itismezed]

“Why isn’t the alpha software not 100% functional?” - the entire video

[@MrMoto655]

As an arch user, this made me laugh harder than it should've because it is relatable.

[@misha54321]

As an Arch Linux user, this was quite painful to watch (but quite entertaining). By the way, pacman is the tool used to install apps (the PACkage MANager). Also, Linux is not normally as painful as this. If you use a beginner friendly distro (e.g. Linux Mint) on an x86 machine it will be much easier to use. It is, however, quite difficult to run Linux on Apple Silicon Macs due to the ARM architecture so it's probably better to stick with MacOS (or install Linux in a virtual machine).

[@MarcRitzMD]

None of the problems shown in the video were related to ARM

[@misha54321]

​@@MarcRitzMDNot directly, but the ARM architecture is the main reason why it is so difficult to get Linux working well on Apple silicon chips since ARM chips differ significantly from one another. It was much easier to run Linux on Intel Macs.

[@monochrome_linux]

​@@MarcRitzMDnot ARM specifically, it's due to Apple Silicon, and other hardware that is there on the Mac, i have a modern Intel MacBook and Linux is still quite finicky on it due to lack of drivers and such. In simple terms, apple users more custom made hardware which have little to no drivers on linux, so unless people reverse engineer everything and make their own drivers, you're screwed.

[@monochrome_linux]

​@@misha54321you can run linux on ARM just fine, brother.

[@catchnkill]

@@misha54321 It is not ARM. Linux runs on ARM for many years and has been fine. It is Apple's proprietary hardware which there is no Linux drivers available. Apple also does not provide any documentation for developers to write drivers. Apple is a close ecology and they do not want other people to use their hardware in alternate way.

[@M2rsh]

Uses the most plain and basic version of Linux and complains that nothing is preinstalled 👍

[@OnlyInAfrika]

Hey, yall...I found one of the Linux dwibs

[@randomness0]

What do you mean by nothing is installed? it had more junk than my Manjaro installation.

[@M2rsh]

@@randomness0 I know theoretically this is not arch and he installed an experimental new distro made to run on Mac's new CPU still kind of weird that it didn't have discovery backend or pipewire/PulseAudio preinstalled if it even works on Mac my guess is that he just installed kde and kde-applications

[@bloozism]

This disto is bloated , what are you talking about

[@somehowimanage3902]

Was that watermelon from Dabuleni by any chance? 😆

[@ShinyTechThings]

For those who don't have cats how could they do this? 🤦‍♂🤣

[@bummers]

Thanks for the comedy. Also, in other news, Sam don't usually swim, but when he does, he goes to the Mariana Trench.

[@DashieTM]

You tried a work in progress distribution of linux that is specifically aimed at apple M1, this means there are things that are not done yet, like speakers, microphones, camera and touchID. Perhaps if ypu check back on this in a year or so, then it might all work, who knows. Otherwise on regular laptops and desktops, basic things such as audio should work like usual. I would say good video, funny ofc, but please keep in mind that you might also give a wrong view of linux as a whole by using something that is not marked as stable in any way by the developers.

[@repairstudio4940]

Haha liked and subbed....been working with Arch myself. Haha love this. ❤

[@RobsonLanaNarvy]

It was a pleasure to watch this video in My Arch Linux KDE Plasma Rig, BTW

[@alxt111]

You should have, at the very least, mentioned that this software is in an alpha state. As I read through the comments, it becomes apparent that people are under the impression that this represents a typical Linux experience. However, that is certainly not the case.

[@Matrox473]

feel really dishonest or uninformed tbh...

[@_Juke_]

​@@Matrox473on a satire channel ? :D

[@roxsonixx]

Typical Mac user.

[@arturpaivads]

Well... Its arch linux on comedy channel... What do you expect? Things to work properly?

[@clampchowder9569]

Wow did not expect an alien prometheus reference

[@arturpaivads]

I was watching Alien again and I actually got intrigged if there is any connection. But unfortunately no. It would be awesome. But Alien Weyland and Linux Wayland are not connected 😢 The name is based on the Wayland city in Massachusetts. It has like 20k people and its probably weird when they search their city name in google hahahahahahahhaha

[@clampchowder9569]

​@arturpaivads bro he literally uses a clip from the movie alien promethius in this video like he's making that parallel that's the point what are you on about?

[@arturpaivads]

@@clampchowder9569 Im saying that I did the same connection when I was watching alien and found intriguing. Then I've search and its just a coincidence. Just that. Tech stuff was named after scifi franchises before.

[@lauriekimani]

Packagekit on arch is broken that's why discover can't install apps from the repositories. But you can always use flatpaks or open the terminal and do pacman -S

[@robonator2945]

not "broken", just not installed by default. It's arch, the entire schtick is that you get nothing and build it all yourself.

[@brazenbunnies]

Sam should be nicer to his niece when she wants him to buy Girl Scout Cookies.

[@christopherparsons7125]

Very funny Sam. But you really did manage to choose one of the hardest versions of Linux to use. KDE and Arch? That's nuts for a beginner. Ubuntu and just stock Gnome would have been a better idea. It wouldn't have provided this level of hilarity though... Also, most of the bugs you experienced happened because you're using a MacBook with Apple silicon inside it. Not a Linux developer fault but much more an Apple locking down their ecosystem fault.

[@MauFalcon]

Finished watching the video and still can’t stop laughing 😂 - great video

[@neanda]

"nearly prebooted my pants" 🤣 tf for your kitti. i miss my cat 😔

[@nothingunwaines2063]

Great Video! If you are going to do more Linux, maybe dial down the difficulty to Ubuntu instead. No need to go all dark souls on your first try.

[@ttoommxxmmoott]

people make funny of how "clumsy" Linux installation is.. but has anyone ever tried installing Mac on a normal computer? It's the hardest thing ever lol

[@ttoommxxmmoott]

@@Cmdrbzrd making an hackintosh on a random computer and finding all the needed drivers can be actually much harder..

[@kittenzrulz2314]

It's beautiful (I use Arch btw)

[@nerdg2]

Damn, Arch is a big step, I've made the move few months ago and I'm loving it.

[@pjpleiss]

I love that "that was the most Linux website I have ever seen" Approachability and ease of use. For Linux to go more mainstream, that is what developers will need to focus on. An average user should be able to perform basic functions without opening the terminal.

[@notjustforhackers4252]

They can already.

[@pjpleiss]

@@notjustforhackers4252 I think it comes down to definition of simple tasks. Imagine this scenario. An average user, like say... A retiree, or a secretary, or office worker, wants to check the amount of space available on their hard disk. They do not want to download or install a 3rd party program. How do they do this without opening terminal or typing in a command. Next, have them do a simple file search for files larger than 1Gb. Without terminal.

[@ped7g]

Arch doesn't care about becoming mainstream, and inexperienced users should probably pick different distro, if they don't plan to play by Arch rules (or they should read those linux web pages, Arch has one of best wikis if you want to dig into some technical issue yourself, even when you use different distro, Arch pages could often help a lot, but you must read them). Oh, and non-developer users shouldn't pick unsupported HW in the first place, the whole Linux on M1/M2 mac is not ready for regular users. While Asahi is impressive as technical feat, it's not meant to be used daily as OS already, only if you know what it is and why some parts don't work and you want to use the working parts.

[@somnia3423]

​@@pjpleissopen your file manager and boom right there, you see how much disk space you used

[@vaishakhgk2006]

Arch linux is not something an average user should use.

[@VibhavSinha]

Sam, we know you are a true Linux fan. I use gnome with fedora btw.

[@clusterstage]

samtime gestures are recommended

[@yokokoko499]

“We can get our marbles back, its a little too late for that” I had angod damn stomach cramp bc of that

[@Hardcore_Remixer]

Bruh, arch linux is a distro with a community that will 95% tell you to read the arch wiki when you ask for advice. It is specifically made so you use the command line and struggle to learn stuff as you use it.

[@Matrox473]

95% of the issue are documented in the Arch wiki to the point that others distro user use the arch wiki. Also i've used Arch my machines for the last 5 years and the only moment i needed the command line is when i dev something and the tools are CLI.

[@kazzxtrismus]

gotta problem?... im here to help!...here's 5hrs of reading!...good luck

[@somnia3423]

yeah i hate when there is an error and i can just look it up to solve it, i wish there wasnt an arch wiki!!! why should we be able to look stuff up omg

[@arturpaivads]

The arch wiki is so good that other distro users use it as reference... Its like the bible of Linux. Or even better, the dictionary of Linux. It has everything. And I mean EVERYTHING.

[@rrnonya5472]

Basically work 50+ hours a week, BUT spend your entire weekend troubleshooting weird sheet because Arch... or to interpret "reasons..." I use Linux Mint because ... I have a life... Using Arch isn't the flex that most "Archies" think it is...

[@swagmuffin9000]

Thought this was funny. I know i ran into some of these problems at some point in my Linux journey. Funny you had them all at the same time, but that's arch for you, it's a beast starting out

[@drewzero1]

I've been using Linux over 15 years and "love-hate relationship" doesn't even begin to cover it!

[@Lerothas]

Using Asahi Linux with Arch Linux base with an Apple-Silicon-Mac is like participating with a Bobbycar at a military exercise. Unless you're really skilled you will fail. Using Linux+KDE with a device from Tuxedo Computers, Slimbook, System76 or StarLabs would have been a really nice experience.

[@vdochev]

As an Arch user, that was really painful to watch. I hope you're being sarcastic and trying to be funny (emphasis on "trying"), but at the end I didn't understand if this is serious or not. If you're trolling, please make it more clear at the end. If you're not, then this is not a very good video (to say the least), because almost all of the things you said were wrong. I understand that you are new to this, but trying to learn is one thing, talking sh*t and misrepresenting things is another. Have a nice day.

[@Klusio19]

this

[@digitalspecter]

They're progressing! KDE might one day surpass Swing applications in aesthetics.

[@Lampe2020]

You used basically the worst Linux setup possible, you chose an Arch-based distro which on top of that is also in alpha stage…

[@terrienhumain6723]

And on an Apple machine :D

[@Lampe2020]

@@terrienhumain6723 Ah, dang it! I wanted to mention that in my original comment but forgot it, thanks for reminding me :)

[@marekstanek112]

...obviously on purpose.

[@Gigachad-hb7ji]

Hold on babe,new SamTime video just dropped.

[@bkThund3r]

Going from mac to arch is like going from prek to college.

[@markm0000]

More like University to special Ed.

[@robonator2945]

@@markm0000cope harder

[@endo9881]

@@markm0000 Allow me to present to you: COPIUM

[@Ehren1337]

@@markm0000 i was shook that mac users are more dumb than windows. i can already do linux after few days.

[@robertrodriguez1343]

every time i setup a 'wayland' session, i feel the same way , man.

[@0truer]

I reccomend install arch manually (at least for your first installation) because it gives you a basic understanding of commands before you use it. Otherwise great video!

[@BrowncoatInABox]

Nah, imma stick to Debian

[@0truer]

@@BrowncoatInABox Debian is still a great distro imo, arch just gives me more of an understanding of what is going on inside of my computer. I don't wanna be that "Imagine using [insert other distro here]" guy. Toxic arch users are annoying as hell.

[@0truer]

@@BobDevVI've installed arch, and it isn't incredibly difficult, not sure what you are really talking about.

[@SpeakingMath]

​@@0truerthis is true for x86 not m1 macs

[@Claymireko]

​@@0truerpeople still pay to have Windows installed/formated, fyi.

[@MrTPF1]

My experience EXACTLY when I tried Red Hat on a Toshiba laptop, and then the same thing a couple years later when I tried Ubuntu.

[@ianakotey]

KDE desktop for the win 🎉

[@keyvanalizadeh2995]

And that's why you don't install Linux on Apple silicone and that's Apple's fault.

[@tmptodelete]

Hm, maybe if you weren't used a pre-alpha WIP Linux distro all of this would work? Naaaah, let's use something that has written IN HUGE BOLD LETTERS that it is not supposed to work correctly, and dunk on it not working correctly!

[@mgrth]

lol. this is a very very very crystal clear reproduction of the first time i used debian. so hilarious to watch, remembering how i felt back then. but, now i love linux. just keep using it and figuring things out, and it does become fun.

[@baeballeverwizard]

Uses Linux on an M1 and blames Linux for the issues... The issue is the hardware, not the software.

[@jimmyneutron129]

The issue is that Asahi Linux is in alpha, so it is not expected to fully work

[@lumpython5351]

How can you blame Apple while Apple hasn't yet put any restrictions on the M1 platform? Expect apple to support Linux? Why Apple has obligations to do that?

[@Ctin23_3]

Of all distros for beginners, Arch would not be my first choice, but you sure learn a lot with it ig It's a lot more advanced now of course, but I remember back in college when I installed it and would always get issues with graphics and drivers. How to forget when I had an assignment to hand in the same day and then the computer just went full kernel panic out of nowhere lol

[@Fenrasulfr]

Watching these videos always reminds me that most of the KZbin Linux community can't take a joke or criticism.

[@aqua-bery]

None of his criticism here is valid lmao

[@Fenrasulfr]

@@aqua-bery As far as I can see, this video is firmly tongue in cheek and not meant to be viewed as serious. Not a review.

[@XeZrunner]

@@aqua-bery I wouldn't view his video here as "criticism". The whole video came across to me as an obvious joke for Arch Linux being memed about and Linux support being early on Apple Silicon.

[@Fenrasulfr]

@@XeZrunner Yes from my point of view it is also a joke. It was just funny to see a lot of comments posted along the lines of "normaly Linux is not like this", "only try Mint, Ubuntu, Fedora" or "he is doing it wrong".

[@grantschilb8019]

@@FenrasulfrSam is literally a comedy channel so all the people who got offended didn’t get that he equally makes fun of all techie things. He doesn’t hate linux, he’s just a comedian.

[@MrSlm1982]

Garuda is a good version of arch to install. Easy to install. I have it on one of my laptops. Mostly a GUI installer... That said, I use cmd without thinking of it half the time so "mostly" GUI is subjective.

[@micomrkaic]

A bad and biased video -- exactly what one should expect from a Mac user or any other proprietary software aficionado.

[@RetroCrisis]

I'm pretty new to Linux, and this video is so relatable and hilarious 😂

[@gfhdlsk]

1st thing wrong is not reading arch wiki when installing.

[@kazzxtrismus]

soooooo the install process includes 40hrs of reading?

[@gfhdlsk]

@@kazzxtrismus I don't think that will take 40hrs of reading, depends on how much programs you're going to install. But you should be prepared for a lot of reading. Btw reading is a good way of mental stimulation and you should practice your brain. A lot of people read book way longer than 40hrs and the knowledge the get is way lower than from reading technical documentation. You don't have to and shouldn't spend a lot of time at one sitting because you will forget most of the thing. The installation is just the part of setting up Linux.

[@gfhdlsk]

@@kazzxtrismus People often say that from the time perspective they enjoy the process more than the end result, and in this video he just jumped straight to the end result with wrong assumptions from using other OS.

[@azzy-551]

@@gfhdlsk not the "reading is good for you" cope.

[@AyaWetts]

You installed Asahi, which is based off Arch. Its not Arch... its also very experimental and incomplete work in progress and known to have many issues on Apple silicon.

[@b1lleman]

Running a headless raspberry pi for doing server and storage stuff is about the closest I want to get to Linux again.

[@arturpaivads]

Im trying to install Linux on my smart TV. I think we don't think similar hahahahhahaha

[@Joe_Brig]

2023 is the Year of the Linux Desktop!

[@IcHamza]

i read that 2000 will be when i installed red hat in 1999

[@marcusjohansson668]

I'm assuming most is a joke because you simply can't be that dumb to say "how about a fix it button" when you previously stated that you are AWARE that this is one of the most complicated operating systems in existence. Also, EXTREMELY strange that you very clearly intentionally avoided the TOP SETTING in KDE, themes. Is this sneak anti-propaganda towards linux? The whole video is very strange.

[@Matrox473]

i know right ?

[@JohnCrawford1979]

Arch also has a repository called the AUR. Though helps if you know what you're searching for.

[@alexis0a]

The people who make Linux distros has the goal to make them so hard to use as they can

[@biutifo1201]

Cannot wait for your Gentoo review

[@Eren_Yeager_is_the_GOAT]

I use Arch btw

[@gabboman92]

back in the moment of the video, the m1 audio driver was not ready. Theoreticaly the speaker could be blown up, so they disabled it until it was fixed

[@markm0000]

I genuinely tried to use Linux 3 times in my life and the most recent attempt was a few months ago with the most popular distro in existence. These developers and diehard users must be still walking around with shirts for pants and yelling at stop signs.

[@kazzxtrismus]

last time i spent that much time in a command line was dos days..... mx linux has so far been the most stable and easy to use for my family tv....(family still hates it) do not try to actually do anything with it but watch youtube or web browse tho. games "work".....office apps "work"......but we're talking bathtub hillbilly hooch vs whats expected

[@frizzlwizzl]

What's the most popular distro in existence? It's debian, right?

[@kazzxtrismus]

popular doesnt matter (cuz flawed sample pool).....debian is the most stable and lots of other "distros" are based on it but have aesthetic changes@@frizzlwizzl i would usually recommend a debian distro for anyone with a computer thats not brand new top of the line tech under 2yrs old. Linux Mint is always a good starting point with little info on what hardware youre running

[@oku-mq7kg]

@@frizzlwizzl Ubuntu

[@RezaQin]

Manjaro and Garuda are pretty great operating systems. Been using Manjaro for almost a year and it's great.

[@Jacob6853]

Wow going to straight on Arch, got some guts there. I tend to lead new peeps to Linux Mint.