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[@plotlessplot]

I'm a mobile game developer and I use Unity professionally every single day. From my experience using Unity on Intel Macs, a Windows 11 PC with a 12900K, and now an M1 Max 16" MBP, the problem really lies with Unity. Editor hang-ups, freezes, crashes, etc, are common in Unity, regardless of your hardware and OS. Also, spending time waiting for stuff to import and reload is, unfortunately, part of the development experience. As part of a small studio, it's unrealistic to move away from Unity when it comes to mobile game development, though, so we have to deal with these things until they improve it...

[@marcinkowalczyk647]

respect to Unity devs and also to Alex for having the patience for running all those tests!

[@berkaybakacak]

Much respect you, Unity developers

[@martin_isla]

Senior Unity dev here! I have barely worked with any other technologies in my entire career, so I'm kinda used to these long wait times. And honestly, with the amounts of crunch in the industry, I'd say it's a feature: we get an excuse to take a break.

[@AZisk]

respect ✊

[@devotiongeo]

Hi Alex, great job on yet another test! I suggest redoing the tests with 'Low power mode: On' to see if it improves the high temperature issue. On my M1 Air, enabling low power mode keeps the temperature around the current room temperature with *no noticeable performance drop* when using browsers, code editors and language servers etc. It would be interesting to see if low power mode behaves similarly on these three machines in Unity.

[@jvlppm]

I used to work with Unity on my older macbook, I remember it being really slow to package the game for iOS and running it. Now that I'm working with Unreal Engine I was starting to miss Unity, building the engine itself can take hours when the project is clean, the same goes for packaging the game for consoles. Game developers have a hard time. I wish things were better with Unity by now with Apple Silicon, maybe with M3.

[@lolaswift111]

Many thanks alex for your work. Just for comparison. Ryzen 9 3950x + RTX 2080 super+32gb ram+2T samsung 980pro. Importing the same RPG Kit template took me 3'56''. In editor game play 80-170fps. so the m1 max is indeed fast in cpu. In this case GPU seemed comparable but I've heard that m1 max GPU is equivalent to rtx3060. 3060 is around 30%-40% slower than 2080 super. btw, the game isn't well optimized, I've got hickups more or less at the same spots. It's great that you told what kind of software or package you used in your test because we can do the same with different machines. I rememberd you did a safari compiling on m1 max and it took you 16 minutes and then I tried the same on a late 2013 retina macbook pro i7 16 inch, 32gb, and it took me 79 minutes. Holy smoke! One thing clearly showed in your test which is Apple were squeezing performance from the m2 chips at the cost of more fan noise for cooling down the laptops. If I'd buy a m chip macbook pro now, defenitely a m1 max. Otherwise, wait for m3 max(not m3). It's always a good idea to wait for at least 2 iterrations. And price wise, m3 will go higher certainly. I hope you will do the same test with Unreal. I just tested UE5 lumen and it was awesome. Curious how m1 max can handle it.

[@MrDarshan2714]

Thank you so much for showing real use case of macbooks.

[@venom_snake1984]

Much respect to Unity developers for putting up with this.

[@MatthewChowns]

**edit** Obviously I've just found your channel and after posting this comment, I found your other vids checking out the M2 Mini. I don't see a Unity benchmark on it though, so I'm hoping you will do that in the future. Great channel, by the way. You've earned my sub! **original message** If you have access to any of the new Mac Minis, I think they would be a great test. I'm personally thinking of picking one of them up so I can do Unity iOS builds. With the M2 Mini being the cheapest Mac available right now, it would be nice to know how it performs. I'd either pick up the absolute cheapest model and only use it for creating builds (using my current PC for actual production), or I'd opt for the Pro version, maybe even with 32 GB RAM and use it as my primary machine, but then it wouldn't be cheap. Maybe it would be smart at that point to wait for the M2 Studio.

[@czcx403]

Hey Alex, I'm considering an upgrade from my intel 2019 model and one of the many reasons is a fan noise (I have to record myself quite close to the laptop). I thought about m2 max 16 inch model, but now I see how loud the fans can be. Is it really so loud in the real-world situations working with some heavy stuff?

[@rishavnathpati]

Unity dev here, using 14" M1 Pro. Been in this situation of random crashing much more than I would like to admit. But still, Unity is fun though, I think.

[@christosbinos8467]

Are you using an LTS version?

[@rishavnathpati]

@@christosbinos8467 2021.3, which is LTS acc to Unity

[@benceszeplaki7712]

I use a 16” M1 Pro and have tried 2 LTS versions 2021.x and 2020.x. Unfortunately I can’t remember the exact version. I had the same problems. Got freezes and crashes randomly. I hope they fixed this issue, I would like to use unity again this year in the summer.

[@pandaengine]

I use M2 Max MBP 14 at work daily. It’s pretty capable. The best thing is that it stays cool/earm to the touch all the way. I can also work on my games on battery power for 4.5-5 hours. Keep in mind that I use TG Pro to ramp up the fans faster and earlier, but it never gets hot to the touch thanks to that. Recommend me a laptop that conpares with it. Or even with the 2021 M1 Pro MBP 14. You can’t. There’s nothing comparable.

[@ariqahmer]

Hey Alex! Any time you might do a machine learning workflow on these M2 machines? Thanks 🎉

[@chetana9802]

I was curious about these too, some pytorch/tensorflow training or NLP notebook can be imported to test

[@camilomedina8029]

Hello, I think the crashes are because you are using a version of Unity that is not yet Long term support (LTS). I am a Unity developer and I use a Mac 16" pro and I have never had anything similar with the LTS versions of unity. Thanks for your great video

[@guitart]

Hi Camilo, as a Unity dev myself I was thinking about switching to a M2 MBpro... do you recommend the Max with 38c GPU or the Pro with 19c? Thanks!

[@fernandoperez9025]

It would be nice if you export the project to Xcode and take the time of each MacBook. Also if you run out of memory having Unity, Visual Studio, Xcode, Pages and Safari with some tabs opened.

[@andrewreshetar25]

Hi Alex! Do you use a screen protector for your MacBook? And is it worth it?

[@auguststas7770]

Honestly these types of reviewd should be the ones with highest views. Because it shows how the products really perform

[@AA-rc8uy]

One of the most comprehensive developer comparison !! Please add summarize chart images after every bench

[@jusatin]

Would love to see this video done on a more optimized, native ARM engine like Godot.

[@muhammadusmankhan6761]

Hey I am a backend web dev but worked a lot with unity devs and they have totally different issues which we normally not face in day to day basis. And I really have respect for them just by looking at build times and all the other stuff they need to go around before doing anything.

[@taskforce_kerim]

One of the most beautiful things about web development is how quickly you get feedback on your code. I remember working in big compiled projects being such a hassle. Bret Victor has an amazing talk called "Inventing on Principle" showing how it's incredibly important to receive immediate feedback for creative endeavours.

[@skm6777]

Unity: Doesn't matter the horsepower you have. It all comes down to the beachball. I would not waste money on an expensive machine for Unity (which I work with every day). An M1 Mac Mini will do just as well in the end. Second: Use a machine with not the best FPS, so you know what your customers are dealing with.

[@UsamaIndieDev]

I have an m1 mac mini but I get as low as 14 fps on my game 😅

[@jibrindanladiliam9198]

Much respect to unity developers

[@battlehunterofficial4586]

I am a all time macbook user and now I want to upgrade my machine, Should I get a macbook or a custom pc, portability is not an issue only performance and best workflow of the goal I am currently a Full Stack Mobile App Developer and currently learning and want to upgrade my carrier as machine learning engineer or maybe AR Developer

[@danielsmith3257]

I’ve been a unity developer since version 3 more than 10 years ago. The current versions are buggy as hell, it’s been getting worse and worse. No effort on unitys part to actually make the experience better. Unity teaches you to save the scene after every change you make. If you want to make it more frustrating try opening the code in VS put a breakpoint in and run it. It will work first time but now the chance of having to force quit unity goes up exponentially.

[@nickgennady]

Yea I moved to unreal (has issues as well) for 3D and working on my own C game engine for 2D games. I dislike very much what unity has become

[@UsamaIndieDev]

Rider breakpoints are amazing in this regard

[@MichaelGGarry]

On which platform and which version of Unity? Because I only run the LTS (2021) on both Windows and M1 Macs and I don't see any of these issues (using full VS on both). Mind I also save every time I make a change, but that's because I was raised in the days of programming in DOS where any mistake could hang the whole machine!

[@danielsmith3257]

@@MichaelGGarry 2021.3.20 LTS on M1 silicon. I can go a day with no lockups, then they come along like a number 9 bus. I have to force quit unity and will lose anything I've changed in the inspector since the last save. Hence the saving each time I change anything in the inspector. In fact I've just this second had to force quit unity on my intel iMac, Same version, locked up building an IOS build. (does that a lot)

[@MichaelGGarry]

@@danielsmith3257 Interesting. What sort of projects are you working on? I've never had a lock up on building an iOS build yet (M1 MBA).

[@onelucian]

Wow, searched for too long for a vid like this. Respect, especially b/c you're not a unity dev yourself

[@fernandoperez9025]

Export a project from Unity to Xcode while playing a KZbin video. Maybe you will note that in M2 Pro the video cracks sometimes.

[@BobbyG3.14]

do the shiny keys bother you? i have MBP M2P Version 16gb and 1tb, I love it and I feel its a beast

[@ayushs_2k4]

Please consider M1 Pro base model also, if possible

[@raynertanxw]

As a full-time Unity Developer. Yeah the editor even the LTS version crashes a lot. I can guarantee a crash at least a few times each week at work. It's like a normal thing, we've come to expect at this point. I instinctively save every few seconds now. It's almost like a built-in muscle memory to hit command-s every time I finish a series of keystrokes in the editor. But I guess it doesn't get too bad after a while you get used to it. At most you just restart, and get up for a water break. Kinda nice in that sense? You have built-in reminders to have a water break!

[@weikyw3912]

hahah ,When my teacher gave me the first Unity course, he told me to make ctrl+s Muscle memory.

[@raynertanxw]

@@weikyw3912 it clearly has become!!! Almost like hitting esc on vim after each conscious string of inputs hahaha

[@eddiematt5858]

Hey Alex please could you make a video of the m2 MacBook air vs the Lenovo Thinkpad X1 carbon gen 10 or gen 9🙏🙏

[@ExplorerOfTheGalaxy]

I'm thinking about a M2 Max .. how is the battery on this one? I'm not considering the M3 Max 'cause it's too expensive where I live.. I'm undecided between M2 Max vs M1 Max.. and I'm worried about battery as I'll use it for work (around 8hours) unplugged (in some random coffee shops).. M2 max would do the job for me?????? I'm also worried w/ the fans going off in M2 Max and not in M1 Max.....

[@fi7xer]

Thanks for the video. Quite interesting results! I would love to see the similar test with Unreal Engine.

[@chetana9802]

maybe you could have gone ahead and included unreal with it, to make it comparable and more wider perspective on game dev on apple silicon

[@super_mr_unknown]

Hi Alex, can you please make comparison between MacBook 16 m2 pro and m2 max battery life with low power mode? I am web and mobile developer and I looks for new computer and I wonder - if I will be use m2 max with low power mod how will it be efficient compared with m2 pro?

[@christopherWolf17]

Haha, i love how you think 6 mins is a "long" build. That would be amazing for most projects. :)

[@BahadrCAKARhosgeldin]

I run Unity on GTX 1060 6GB. Usually, I wait between 2-3 minutes on my computer it's normal. When I SEE the 1 minute, OMFG it's so quick. I'm going to order the max. Such an expensive machine.

[@TroL0iO1er]

I am looking for purchase options for my game dev machine but those numbers doesn’t look encouraging. All I can say is welcome to the game dev experience. If you are planning to do an Unreal test, get ready for a wild ride.

[@MichaelGGarry]

Welcome to the world of us game developers! And these days things are *better* than they used to be!

[@bradenhelmer9795]

You should time them building LLVM.

[@thuchoang2755]

Wait to see you compare Unreal Engine 5.1.1 on these machines.

[@OkayDip]

Should Create shorts with summary

[@Eduard02834]

Much respect from unity devs!

[@HuaCai]

Try the new Twinmotion!

[@proteus1]

I bought a new 16" M1 MacBook Pro £1500 last month. Seems like the limit and I think it's not worth more of my money to buy M2

[@clydesmith1845]

Would have been interesting to have a Dell XPS there as well.

[@waseemmalik3281]

I had a Dell Xps and that is out of this league, believe me. Not only does the speed suck but also the built quality. I had mine for 3 years going through college. After 3 years it is practically not very useable maybe for internet surfing, but still too slow for programming stuff. Also the carbon does get a lot of wear and gets oily very quick. The top and bottom cover of the laptop is made out of solid material. The only thing that was good on that laptop. Don't buy it. Get yourself a mac like I'm planning to.

[@utopiaeh]

Thx, for video Alex maybe you might to make a video with best dock station for 2 and more minotors 😅

[@FSRubyc]

Well, what was clear to me is that if you own an M1 MAX moving to M2 PRO or MAX is not necessary and a waste of money and time.

[@marcins5584]

I wander how Zbrush works on M2 and Fusion 360

[@cae7896]

fusion360 will gain full apple silicon support by this summer! now under rosetta works good enough, but the SOC it’s not used at its full potential.

[@UsamaIndieDev]

I was starting to lose hope, thank you so much for your efforts!! ❤

[@UsamaIndieDev]

That project I suggested is a pretty unoptimised one, but it's a realistic setup for a single person trying to make a game! Now we know that the extra GPUs are worth it

[@davidberry8275]

I want to pay at creating a game, however I think I never want to touch unity after looking at this video. Just opening projects looks a pain, never mind doing some actual work.

[@mokanin8894]

Where is the Schwarzenegger?

[@cyberhawks774]

Once Apple silicon is fully optimized this should be much smoother of an experience, but a lot of game dev tools are like this right now. The chip pretty much brute forces everything, but the software is lacking. So hopefully devs fix toolsets a little more so it’s less chaotic.

[@spaceair2618]

Hey alex can you make an unreal version of this

[@idiyasin]

I wish you could just could also test the 14” too

[@sp6213]

he won’t because he is 100% convinced getting a 14” over a 16” literally always a dumb decision

[@AZisk]

Did you hear the fans on the 16"? The 14" will strugggggle

[@Thekidisalright]

@@sp6213 because it is.

[@idiyasin]

@@AZisk but not of your fox used 16” right

[@sp6213]

@@Thekidisalright bEcAuSe iT Is

[@harremip.h.c7174]

Can u do unreal engine tests too ☺️

[@jaskiratanand586]

why do u even need a mac for unity, get a PC or a gaming laptop for the same price point. its gonna be way faster than this with those nvidia and and gpus

[@quanta8382]

So unity is definitely not stable enough on Mac

[@IgnoreSolutions]

Unreal is worse in every imaginable way. Only made even worse by the fact the Editor STILL is only Intel. Additionally, and this was about 2-3 months ago, UE out of the box is broken on Mac. Will not compile due to “variable declared but unused” warnings that are treated as errors.

[@arshiaghorbani174]

see unity app is insanely slow on machines :/

[@thefourthperspective]

you need to label the computers, not sure what is what...

[@Z0yxx]

It‘s still pretty unoptimized… get a fast intel with at RTX4090 for this job.

[@jhonyfernandez2703]

A Unreal´s 5 Test, please!

[@TimurBakibayev]

It sounds like an Intel machine 😂

[@shreyanshmishra6613]

F for unity people.

[@shreyanshmishra6613]

Why not just use dedicated graphics and a windows pc

[@MichaelGGarry]

The Macs have dedicated graphics. Developers need to use Mac for Mac and iOS games.

[@shreyanshmishra6613]

@@MichaelGGarry I didn't say macs don't have dedicated graphics. Just read it again and you'll get what I mean. I'm a native ios developer but that fact about unity for ios games didn't cross my mind thanks 👍

[@fernandoperez9025]

If you can only afford one computer and you want to make games for the best selling gaming device in the world (the iPhone) the only option is to buy a Mac.

[@shreyanshmishra6613]

@@fernandoperez9025 actually you can make games for both iphone and Android using Mac.

[@fernandoperez9025]

@@shreyanshmishra6613 Any computer can handle builds for Android but a Mac is necessary for iOS development. It’s easier to debug, test and publish Apple games using Xcode than any other PC virtual solution on the market.

[@brujyyy]

TEST UNREAL ENGINE REALLY

[@AlaaBallout]

Unity just kick apple silecon 😂

[@yassirfariz]

First comment 🎉🎉

[@tylerethernet8610]

First comment from someone who still is watching this only on their old 2013 iMac 😀

[@juanjolopez1546]

Could someone please post the fps numerical results for lazy people like me? :P

[@NeoChromer]

Thats why you use windows for game development :P

[@fernandoperez9025]

But iPhone is the best selling gaming device in the world and you will need a Mac if you want to make games for it.

[@Philson]

GET A REAL GPU

[@nicosoftnt]

So basically neither Unreal engine nor Unity are ready to be usable on Apple Silicon. The AI development is faster than the game development utilities for mac 😂