MacBook Pro 14 with M3 Max REVIEW - DID I MAKE A $3K MISTAKE?

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Video Index:
00:00 Intro
01:09 Specs & Pricing
02:03 Unboxing, Build & Design
04:08 Ports & Connections
04:53 Internals & Serviceability
05:28 Display
07:33 Webcam, Mics & Touch ID
08:16 Hinges, Keyboard & Touchpad
09:31 Performance, Benchmarks & Gaming
13:36 Thermals, Surface Temps & Fan Noise
15:04 Battery Life
15:54 Audio & Speaker Test
17:53 Pros & Cons
19:41 The Score
19:53 Outro

[@daviddicicco3940]

Great video Andrew - I particularly like how you included a thermals test and the sound test, which I do not see always included in other reviews. I migrated from an M1Max 64 GB RAM to M3Max 64 GB RAM, and at first, was sort of ehh as it felt snappier, but not a ton of a difference, but after a couple weeks of more intensive use (and gaming!) I've noticed much more of a difference. It's a real beast. She is beautiful with the darker color, however, like you, I'm anecdotally noticing more fan noise, which is to be expected, but not conducive to the best gaming experience. I often run it through my Apple Studio screen so it's a real workhorse set up.

[@bojansubasic]

This is the review I was waiting for. Ordered the same machine as you. Thanks Andrew 😉

[@mussim2919]

This channel does really good with the videos! Clearly explained everything loud and clear!

[@andrewmarcdavid]

I appreciate that!

[@cirolandia007]

Excellent review, thanks!!!

[@Cybertron667]

Thanks for again a great review! For what I have noticed is that the display is ofcourse really great (apart from touch, pen and face id) !

[@donpeters2012]

You set the gold standard for quality videos on the Internet. Almost no one comes close to your reviews. Keep up the good work and thank you for educating us. 😊🍺🍺🌲

[@andrewmarcdavid]

Glad you like them!

[@donpeters2012]

Thank you for all your videos and have a wonderful Christmas 😊🍺🍺🌲❄️☃️❄️

[@andrewmarcdavid]

Happy holidays!

[@stefanoliveira8718]

Got my first Mac in 8 or so years, got the 16 inch M3 Pro in space black, the battery life's like 3 times as long as my current PC 😅

[@nsns1996]

your reviews are super useful.. i appreciate that. for me, display quality is 1st priority and macbooks have done that right. out of the box it looks better and whites are pure white. No messing up with display settings is required. Touchpad is above anything else in the market. I use windows laptop for work but i have a m1 mba and i really enjoy it.. thanks for the videos this yr.

[@angelvinchistudios]

Your footage looks really smooth! What shutterspeed were you recording at?

[@OthMar39]

I’ve seen a lot of MacBook Pro reviews. The effort you put in your videos is amazing. Keep the great work

[@andrewmarcdavid]

Thanks!

[@andycuyler6675]

Nice review I also bought the 14 max 16/40 option in space Black nice machine and great battery life compared to my surface pro 9.

[@andrewmarcdavid]

Nice! Thanks Andy!

[@psysword]

And what kind of tasks and thermal side effects?

[@AmineSdour]

Thank you!!

[@AzmiQamar]

Hi Andrew I really like your videos. They are very informative and with gooood guidance. When will you do review on " THINKPAD X1 CARBON GEN 12"

[@rcccs1]

Good review, well explained from unboxing to performance details. I loved it

[@andrewmarcdavid]

Glad you like it so

[@ahsoka6807]

Hey Andrew at the 15 min mark when you were doing the battery life test , was the macbooks max brightness just standard sdr max brightness or was it using hdr brightness?

[@alfredoaraujo9294]

Great video. Appreciate the work you do to be unbiased. Competition is good and hopefully this makes windows pick it up with amd, intel and arm chips improving. At the end of the day Competition is great for the consumer. I am against the mindset of being loyal to a brand be loyal to what you need and your wallet at the end of the day.

[@andrewmarcdavid]

Thanks Alfredo fully agree

[@jseden]

I've had two notch macbooks now and they don't bother me at all personally. I actually kinda like how it seperates the menu bar into to regions.

[@1BadVan]

Great review as always Andrew, definitely a pricey device but it certainly nails it for its intended use case. Going to be the new permanent replacement for your current m1?

[@andrewmarcdavid]

Thanks! Yes, this is replacing the M1 Pro that I have been using. It was time to do the upgrade.

[@mgalbu]

Great review! Loved the suede jacket at 8:20, where is it from?

[@andrewmarcdavid]

John Varvatos

[@gr4zuoliuk4s]

Finally first m3 max review that actually makes sense to me. After watching all these videos of people complaining about 8gb ram and prices and how loud it gets, this review does make sense for majority of power users but haven’t seen anyone reviewing it m3 max binned version. Big thanks.

[@andrewmarcdavid]

Glad it was helpful

[@frostgodx]

thats not6 the correct use of the word binned please dont follow max tech who completely ruined the apple community to think worse = binned when its the opposite in reality.

[@navixaxa5023]

It is the Black colour that makes we wanna buy this. My 14' M1 Max is too good, that there's literally no reason for me to splash that cash. And that is the problem with Apple's M-Line of Chips. They're too good! So there is no reason to upgrade lol. Great video. Brings into the mix MacBooks also. Merry Christmas and a Happy New year folks!

[@nickb5091]

“Splash that cash” 😂 I’ve never heard that before

[@psysword]

Very nice video. Thinking of 14 inch m3 max max for end game

[@Powerful4u]

Great review Andrew! If I may ask, was the blooming and low response time (not refresh rate) a noticeable inconvenience? Or was it irrelevant to your day to day usage? I’ve read that the blooming is extremely minimal with those miniLed displays. Not sure about the response times though. Reason I’m asking is because I’m looking to buy a new 16 inch MacBook Pro however, due to the nature of my job being a developer (scrolling through a lot of code and looking at a lot of static White text on my terminal), I’m afraid that the blooming and low response time is gonna give me a bad/subpar experience.

[@markomarko3336]

As a fellow developer, don't worry. You'll be just fine. MBP is a godsend for devs. I'm a thinkpad lover, but screen + M-chips is simply the best out there at the moment.

[@andrewmarcdavid]

For me in real world usage they were not an issue at all.

[@tj1470]

Hi Andrew I had just ordered the MBP 14 M3 Max (16c CPU 40c GPU). I noticed that you mentioned your reasoning for getting the 14c CPU 30c GPU is to avoid heat issues. Does the 14c 30c run alot cooler & less noisy? I liked the idea of getting the max spec apple offered but wondering if I'd be better off with M3 Max 14c cpu 30c gpu 94gb rather than 16c cpu 40c gpu 64GB. I don't want my hands and legs burning as previously experienced with other laptops. I will mainly use the laptop for everyday tasks - Netflix, KZbin, Internet Browsing, Microsoft Word/Excel/One Note. Occasionally, I'll be viewing CAD drawings & rendering of properties. What would you recommend? Is there really a noticeable difference in heat & fan sound? Considering I won't be pushing the laptop, would I experience heat & fan issues? My wife has the MBP 16 M2 Max 38c 64GB and it's never even gotten warm. I assumed the higher GPU would run cooler as it was over powered therefore less effort required. I just want something future proof, to last me the next 5-6 yrs. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you

[@badnai]

how good would be a rtx 4070 öaptop be against the m3 max in cinebench? maybe also 13k points?

[@user-mf8wn6rb7z]

"Hey everyone! I'm in the market for my first MacBook and could really use some advice. I'm looking to dive into video editing with Final Cut Pro, Adobe Premiere Pro, and Adobe After Effects, as well as photo editing with Lightroom and Photoshop, with the goal of starting my own KZbin channel. I need a laptop that will last me 3-4 years and can handle these tasks smoothly. Currently, I'm using a Windows laptop for basic tasks like Word, Excel, and web browsing. Any recommendations on which MacBook model would be the best fit for my needs? Thanks in advance for your help!"

[@TenantRepGuru]

Great review. Other than not having a touchscreen, pen interface, it seems to be the hands-down winner.

[@andrewmarcdavid]

Thanks!

[@sajjadpirani]

MacBook having touchscreen isn’t a smart addition, touchscreen’s are tacky on laptops and most people don’t use it. If you want something touchscreen get iPad

[@richi2870]

Nice Review 👍 This MacBook is insane, the battery life on it is very impressive! The price is high or very high, but you get a lot for it. What i dont like was the microphone, to deep sound and not loud enough. maybe you got a bad one 👀 I will wait for Snapdragon X Elite i have big hopes on it, maybe there will be Laptops coming for under 1000€

[@bladeddavid1144]

What resolution did you test gaming at?

[@williamcohen3351]

For an Apple pc this seems to be a great unit. Camera and mics sounded good. Speakers were excellent and sounded the same quality as your older MAC. Display is very good. Since I am not a MAC user I am not familiar with its performance comparisons. The only other con you did not mention is the notch on the top of the screen for the camera. Still an excellent unit for those needing a MAC. Excellent review. Happy holidays and a Happy New year. Can you believe how fast 2023 has gone by?

[@andrewmarcdavid]

Thanks William and Happy holidays and New Year to you too! Yes, this year has flown by

[@nicolenapier-kurdelski5490]

I saw something on Apple about the iPad as a second screen and transferring content from an iPad. Is that in a review some where? Thanks!!

[@ozgesagiroglu]

I got the m3 8 mbp. overall it is a great machine. Incredible screen, awesome keyboard, impressive speakers but I run into ram bottleneck even with a few safari tabs and no other open apps. I have m2 mbp 8gb 13 inch too and didn’t have the same problem. And I heard m3 mbp 14 is better in ram compressing etc

[@InfectedKnife]

What windows laptop would you say is most comparable to the MacBook M1 Pro? In terms of how silent it is, how late the fans kick in and the good battery?

[@andrewmarcdavid]

There are not many windows laptops that are as quiet as the MacBook Pro. As far as comparable on the Windows side I would say the Lenovo Slim Pro 9i 14, but you will notice the fan noise etc.

[@rafaelperez9652]

Apple makes Great products! I should know as I currently own the iPhone 15 Pro Max as well as an iPad. The problem for me is how very expensive their products can get after you've maxed them out and they're Never upgradeable! To answer your question, I don't think you've made a $3K mistake because you seem to be happy with it. The speaker quality is Excellent, webcam and internal mics are good as well. The screen is super gorgeous and the refresh rate of 120hz is great as well. Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year Andrew!! 😁

[@andrewmarcdavid]

Happy holidays and happy new year!

[@ericdraven7857]

I have the 2020 M1 MBP maxed out. 2TB SSD with 16GB Ram. 1TB just is not enough storage. It might be expensive but 2TB is pushing my limit. I also feel the limitation of a smaller screen. I will probably lean on the 16" whenever I look to upgrade but I do love this macbook.

[@leviandhiro3596]

What do you use it for?

[@guccigaming755]

I juz bought m3 max 14unch.. when I editing video on davinci studio why so lagging when preview? Are we stil proxy the file first???

[@NakedDirector]

This is the first video that indicates there is PWM flickering on the screen. Very important info for sensitive people like me. Thank you.

[@ann_ta]

Great video! Do you think there's a significant difference between the M3 Max 14/30 and the M3 Max 16/40? Thanks!

[@andrewmarcdavid]

I do not. It may be slightly faster but will generate more heat.

[@ann_ta]

Thank you for your response. I appreciate your insights. @@andrewmarcdavid

[@passivlyassertive9696]

If you’re planning on getting an m3 max 16/40 definitely opt for a 16 in, the 14 in will thermal throttle although from reviews I’ve seen the m3 max 14/30 doesn’t thermal throttle on the 14 in.

[@videofrat3115]

the pwm flickering is the same as on your m1 pro or worse? i am typing this on an m1 pro and wondering if i should upgrade. Also is the battery better or the same as an m1 pro?

[@cameronbosch1213]

PWM afaik on Mini-LED is above the point where sensitive users can notice it, meaning you should be fine. Meanwhile, the M3 Pro has better battery life than the M1 Pro & M2 Pro.

[@Ali68Gator]

Is the build quality of the Macbook Pro better than in the T14S Gen 4 or X1 Carbon Gen 11?

[@andrewmarcdavid]

I wouldn't say it is better, but I will say that it certainly heavier than the X1C Gen 11.

[@vytrocorp6754]

foxxcon 😒😒?🙂🙂

[@Tricklarock]

Can you elaborate on the 'limited performance in combined CPU/GPU workloads', please?! I will be using this as my main machine for Adobe Creative Cloud/Premiere Pro editing, and I want to make sure I can count on it? Thank you very much in advance!!!

[@josephle2381]

Mac has comparability issues with various software that is more optimized of Windows so it might not perform as well.

[@devALLjapan]

Your review was really smartly presented. No exaggerations just simple information delivered nice and efficiently. Though the comment about no pen or touch display the argument is that people who want a touch screen would be better suited to the iPad instead. But I know what you mean. I %100 agree on the no face-ID being silly at this stage. Apple has proven to be really good at their facial recognition software so it definitely makes sense for their computers to have it XD

[@Nocandoozy]

Did you notice any thermal throttling when gaming? Seems to be a consistent complaint on the subreddit. Only thing holding me back from buying at the moment

[@testaccsolutions6784]

how does this compare with the lat 9440?

[@krtybee]

Can MacBook pro 14 m3 max play autocad, sketch up smoothly?

[@maaztariq7451]

Hey Andrew, Need a suggestion from your end if you can help out my purchase decision 1. Zenbook 14X (i7-13700H) for $700 2. G14 (7735HS) for $900 3. Slim Pro 7 X (6800HS-CE) for $800 If not any of these which one would you suggest to be the best buy under $900. Much love, thanks

[@adrianceasar5620]

the answer is yes.. i have m3 max 14 .. and many problems in crossover and slow perfermance and FPS .. les them my old m2 max.. i was stupid.. to upgrade ..

[@psysword]

Nah it can't be that bad. What kind of load are you running

[@passivlyassertive9696]

Why in the world would you upgrade when you already have an M2 Max haha. Do you think it’s a worthy upgrade from an intel MacBook?

[@tnetroP]

@4:56 If you squint you can see the inside is modeled on a 1970's Space Invader.

[@andrewmarcdavid]

Actually yes I now see that lol.

[@braedon1986]

I have the M3 Max 14". It's incredible.... opulence.

[@psysword]

Any heat or performance issues?

[@braedon1986]

@@psysword None at all. my fans are idle a lot; even on high power. The battery stayed literally the same on high power in sleep mode for 4 days and nights.

[@psysword]

@@braedon1986 Great news! are you pushing the machine? Video or music production? Adobe premiere is where the battle is. I'm thinking of the 128 gb ram one.

[@eric4892]

@@psyswordwhy do you need so much ram o.o the 48GB is more than enough for the video editing and programming I do

[@braedon1986]

I've been using developer mode now for the past week and the 14inch handles developer mode better than the 16inch from what I've seen. Both have their secret built in super powers.

[@craiggilleland]

I said it a month ago, for content creators or anyone that wants a fast laptop, there is none better than the MacBook M3 Pro at present. There are a few laptops such as the slim pro 9i, the P1, and a few from Asus, but you will suffer with horrendous battery life and / or the weight of the machine.

[@falkenvir]

At least you wont be enslaved by soldered SSD and repair restrictions

[@premprakash2297]

Tbh price doube ...I could buy 2 laptop every 2 yrs

[@woofiooxx]

@@falkenvirlike it’s an issue for anyone lol

[@robertf6409]

Which specific chip though...the base M3, M3 Pro or M3 Max?

[@woofiooxx]

@@robertf6409 most like the pro m3 pro

[@neven572]

Definitely not mistake, it is upgrade worthwile of consideration for 99% of users. Touchscreen would be nice option to have though. Keep up good work.

[@andrewmarcdavid]

Thanks!

[@johnpereira6934]

Don't know about that. There have been many reviews regarding thermal throttling of the 14" form factor in comparison to the 16" form factor. The 16" version may be the way to go for power users these laptops are created for. At least with respect to the Max chips. As for the Pro chips get a refurbished M2 Pro from the Apple store. Some reviewers have shown the M3 Pro's reduced memory bandwidth to reduce performance in certain scenarios.

[@neven572]

@@johnpereira6934 like i said, 14" with this specs is more than enough for 99% users...if you need more power (very few people do) you can always go with maxed out 16" (overkill) if you're willing to pay 7k for it...

[@nickb5091]

Getting fingerprints on that beautiful display would drive me crazy

[@nightdevil22666]

Very honest opinion about the notch. Apple should really get rid of it.

[@Tigerex966]

Apple needs an egpu solution. Memory and internal SSD are stuck forever same with GPU, this is where I scratch my head Apple needs to allow mac's to buy a egpu core box or every man is stuck with non upgradeable SSD memory and GPU power but almost every Windows laptop allows Al of these to be upgraded later proonging it's life and making resale easier and better in this price range. We are already seeing older m1 series and Intel non upgradeable mac's value drop like a brick

[@amitsamra1937]

18:18 Does anyone know if the fans kick in while coding? I don't do video editing but I do code in Python/R and use Jupyter and Airflow. My 2019 16" Intel MBP sounds like a jet engine. How much noise would the 14" make? Would I be better off with a 16"?

[@Overlandx4]

I really want ti know from where you bought the jacket? Please tell me

[@andrewmarcdavid]

www.johnvarvatos.com/izzy-shirt-jacket/196332170013.html

[@Stanin84]

Great review. I have 14in M1 Pro (8 core) and I am happy with it. Only thing I would love to upgrade is GPU (just for games). According to upgrade fees, they are insane and sometimes I am thinking about leave Apple ecosystem because of it. But at the end of the day I realise that windows laptop with similar quality isn't much cheaper and I do really like MacOS, iOS and iPadOS.

[@passivlyassertive9696]

You’ll have a way wider selection of games on windows. If you’re looking for a windows gaming laptop you can get one for literally half the price of a Mac that will give you similar performance in games. Hell you can get a slimmer efficient windows laptop and build a gaming rig for the same price as a base m3 max MacBook Pro.

[@Kadoku_]

Can you review the Lenovo IdeaPad Pro 5 Gen 8 (14″ AMD or Intel)?

[@k.d.2899]

Amd would be great😊

[@Kadoku_]

@@k.d.2899 Yes, I have the 6th generation of this laptop, and it’s on AMD, I’m absolutely satisfied. I'm convinced that Intel has a little more performance, but the heating, fan noise and battery life are quite worse

[@Kadoku_]

It's strange that there are almost no reviews for this laptop.

[@tj1470]

Video quality was a bit disappointing considering the price point. HP spectre x360 has a much better camera. Audio quality was good, but volume was low. Not sure if you need to increase microphone volume upon recording.

[@Tigerex966]

Id it true that once the SSD dies in the future, the machine will not be able to boot from external backups, meaning it is bricked for good and will need a new mother board_??? $$$

[@Applecompuser]

If the SSD dies, you take it to Apple store and get it repaired. Many would add Apple Care on such a purchase.

[@user-ct1xm4ki5m]

@AMD...go you have X1 Carbon Gen 12 review lined up??

[@andrewmarcdavid]

No comment 😉

[@ArianeQube]

Ordered this one with 36 GB RAM, cost 4000 EUR. Best freaking laptop I've ever owned. If only Apple would remove that idiotic notch, it would be 100% the perfect laptop, both hardware and software-wise.

[@patrickheemskerk2649]

Enjoyed a lot of your reviews throughout 2023…multiple times a review made me almost buy the reviewed laptop. Until I found out not always the desired configuration is available in the EU…so two weeks ago I broke the bank and purchased a M3 Max 16/40/64. Just the past experience with a MacBook in terms of performance, battery life and the ability to configure it to my wishes did it for me. Have a wonderful Christmas 🎄🎅 and wish you a great 2024 🎆🎇

[@andrewmarcdavid]

Thanks Patrick and same to you!!!

[@crazyelf1]

I think that for most people, the Macbook Pro 16 is the best daily driver. Good battery life, single threaded performance, touchpad, and speakers. The Mini LED is nice too. Gamers though and workstation users should look elsewhere. Also, those who support repairable laptops should go elsewhere. For Macs, be sure to buy the specs you need because you cannot upgrade.

[@anb7495]

its super power laptop

[@akin242002]

Excellent laptop for video editors on the go, but for the M3 Max CPU the 16-inch screen handles heat the best. For Java developers, front-end website developers, and AWS ML developers the M3 Pro MacBook is great.

[@steffdia7080]

13:00 Asus Rog Ally Cyberpunk beats this Macbook in low quality and medium. Strange.

[@nzrylmz]

Is it noisy and hot compared to 16"? And is there thermal throttling? I am thinking of using 3D GPU rendering and AI tools. Does it make sense to buy M3 Max 14" instead of M2 Max 16"?

[@SuperPudley]

Yes the MacBook Pro does not have Face ID, but with the Apple Watch, it will unlock it quickly too.

[@andrewmarcdavid]

It works some of the time to be fair. It had gotten better but for those that don’t want or have an Apple Watch Face ID would be better

[@zahranoushad1648]

Using apple is basically using nzxt motherboard instead of a better one for a cheaper price, and still we buy the nzxt OR APPLE!!

[@ruiyangao9255]

Definitely think the 14 inch is a bit incapable of handling the m3 max chip especially with the heat and actual performance.

[@andrewmarcdavid]

I think for most people the M3 Pro in the 14 is the way to go

[@cameronbosch1213]

​@andrewmarcdavid The problem is that Apple really limited the display output, RAM choices, and even now the performance of the M3 Pro SoC. I would have to consider the M3 Max because of those limitations, but I certainly wouldn't get the unbinned model.

[@PKperformanceEU]

@@cameronbosch1213 the m3pro 12c is about as fast as a 13700hx in most mt scenarios, st being 14900K equivalent. As soon as it gets cache and memory intense, it will perform up to 40% better than a 14900K(desktop) source: SPECFP bwaves Quantum mechanics simulation aka linalg or matrices and vector calculations. People dont realize how fast arm v9 chips have become. I will upgrade from a 13900h zenbook pro 14 oled to an m3pro as a developer and artist.

[@Princejain755]

m3 max Base or M3 Pro MAX? (14 inches)

[@passivlyassertive9696]

M3 max 16/40 will thermal throttle slightly on the 14 in so definitely get an m3 max 14/30 if you’re getting a 14 inch if that’s what you’re asking. If you’re asking if you should spec out an m3 pro or get a base model m3 max it depends on your use case. Like do you need extra storage, ram etc

[@x_jedimaster_x]

At least it plays games better than the M2

[@Darkpill-2]

Wow the patience you must have to review so many windows laptops 😂😂😂😂

[@persona2293]

That 94% is accurate.

[@leviandhiro3596]

What is the purpose of these machines? Who are the targeted to?

[@_mikeusa]

I had the 14” Max with upgraded CPU 48GB/2TB for a month and returned it. I liked it, but I didn’t love it for $4500. It was not worth the price - this is saying something as I still have an Apple w/ Intel and I’m due for an upgrade. The battery life wasn’t great for real world browsing performance (5-6hrs at medium brightness). It also hung (beach ball) even on Apple’s website with one tab open.

[@passivlyassertive9696]

The issue w/ the 14 in is that it will throttle with the full m3 max unbinned. I’m shocked that you didn’t even get 7 hours of battery on it though, what programs were you running? 4500 dollars is also a fuck ton of money to spend on a laptop I won’t lie. I’m considering the binned 14 in m3 max that you can usually find on sale for 3k.

[@Tigerex966]

No native windows support no usba no egpu s memory or SSD upgrades after purchase no ability to use earlier versions of Mac osx all things you used to could do.

[@4damula]

I made a 6,000+ mistake 16" M3 max 128gb 4tb hd

[@onlyvik]

Why?

[@4damula]

@@onlyvik running llm locally

[@passivlyassertive9696]

@@4damulawhy not just get a base model MacBook Pro for 2k or less and spend the other 4k+ on a custom rig w/ a 4090?

[@4damula]

@passivlyassertive9696 can't run a 70b+ on a pro. And it will take 2 4090 to what I can do on the macbook. I actually wish I had more ram, lol. it's the cheaper option than two 4090. It's not as fast, but it works.

[@tybaltmercutio]

@@4damulaWhy not run it on the cloud (AWS/Azure)?

[@R1Willem]

That notch is a dealbreaker for me

[@navixaxa5023]

Lmao. They literally put a Notch on a laptop for housing such a shitty Camera that doesn't even support FaceID lollollol.

[@jaypalmer3806]

Shitty? It's 1080p. Pretty standard for most if not all high end laptops.

[@XxMissingDataxX]

touch display ??? LOL

[@Applecompuser]

Dont buy this comp now unless absolutely needed. Will be much cheaper next year.

[@jaypalmer3806]

Will be even cheaper in 4 years too.

[@Applecompuser]

@@jaypalmer3806 Agree. I have bought pristine, older tech at amazing prices. An example is a 27-inch Thunderbolt monitor as a secondary. Someone had a nearly new one in a box and sold it to me for $150.