EPISODE 378| PENUEL on Ubungoma ,Religion ,Politics , Money , Afriforum,Kids , Podcasting , Feminism

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EPISODE: 378
01:00 - Intro
05:28 - Forsaking His Culture
08:18; - History Of Nguni People
10:17; - Religion
27:17; - Ubungoma
35:09; - Kids
40:58; - Money
51:28; - Afriforum
1:05:07; - D.A
1:09:01; - Politics
1:13:38; - If He Were To Be President
1:17:06; - Podcasting
1:22:54; - Why Our Government Is Greedy
1:31:26; - Music
1:33:47; - Men
1:38:23; - GBV & Women Empowerment
1:51:13; - Feminism
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[@nganimia]

Signing in

[@MrTAP325]

But please tell sol to take us serious please man can't be doing a show while drunk noh mahn

[@iviwediko7210]

Instead of teaching kids about this kind of information in Schools, they're being taught about Photosynthesis and all the stupid stuff that will take then no where🤦‍♂️

[@LitwithRooi]

Lets teach the black child mathematics and Mathematical Literacy in a simplified manner. kzbin.info

[@kgnonyane9089]

PLEASE INTERVIEW GAYTON MCKENZIE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

[@godpenuel]

Love and blessings to all my fellow Chillers 🙏🏽❤️

[@lsgstrangeboy]

The Only Living Black Pen.

[@OneManArmy_ZA]

Heital hola @The Black Pen

[@yangangcawa4833]

The black pen🖋️🙌

[@lehlohonolomogadime6161]

Getting my popcorn ready my leader! 🖤👊🏿

[@nhloniphokhanyi6742]

Dawg I follow u but u not believing in God is bullshit... where do u think u come from?(I don't care which God but God is God no matter which God u believe in)

[@godpenuel]

The amount of people I've bumped into across SA who have recognized me from this episode, just goes to show the immense reach of Podcast & Chill. Shoutout to MacG and his entire team... this platform is huge. Use it responsibly... to build more than to destroy. Love & blessings 🙏🏽❤️

[@Beatbanguni]

Please come back❤

[@wazindzimandze362]

It's informative 👌 👍

[@tshepisolekalakala693]

Bro, just want to correct you on something Jesus was murdered because he claimed Diety he claimed to be the one true God, the God that created all things. The very God you are winning against by starting your own cult

[@hippocridehc92]

Penuel stay Real with it I appreciate the good work and positive influence and feeding the minds .

[@cadencendhlovu2492]

I've always loved your intelligent conversations and mixing it with this is just gold

[@stanleymatlou873]

Poeple who still need to be on this platform 1.Lilian Dube 2.Gayton McKenzie 3. Bricks 4. Cyril Ramaphosa 5. Casper Nyovest 6. Zolisa Xavula 7. King Monada 8. Chief Mogweng mongweng 9. Mzwakhe Mbuli 10. Trevor Noah

[@Jbongs_Ghost]

Those personalities will influence the number of viewers this podcast gets with every single interview session or episode.

[@swikelanigundo8994]

#11 should be Themba Ndaba Brutus from the queen

[@sapanda5968]

Jacob Zuma

[@tebogosenna3435]

OMG I would love to hear Mzwakhe ambuli and Brutus Themba Ndaba

[@Gxamalaza]

Trevor!

[@shimanyanashimmy1101]

Both Sol and MacG were intoxicated by Penuel instead of the Grandeur. They were hardly drinking, Big S/O to this guy, he's Profound.

[@_AllThingsLife]

I see a typical Zulu Man in Pen he just thinks he's God coz of his qualifications and chievements and just because something seems right doesn't mean it is right. But anyways love his confidence and hardworking spirit

[@caesar3909]

Buddy there is a neon sign saying "I have an inferiority complex" over your comment.

[@godpenuel]

Too much swearing... I apologize. I'll do better next time 🙏🏽

[@MightyBaja]

We appreciate authentic speech...don't apologize..own it.

[@zimdollar3229]

✌️

[@aobakweCup326D]

It's okay bro.

[@Supergulova]

Fuck that

[@millymaliks4232]

We Like these Vibez bro. Swearing Is Part Of The Originality. Just be you.

[@itumelengsetlhabetsi6651]

As a chiller,if we each contributed R100 just for one month we can all decide where it goes. That's R70 000 000 that can impact real change and that's what I'm for.

[@kagisokw]

Im waiting for that time.

[@trinitymohlala2061]

This is interesting

[@kgaugeloclement4863]

I like your thinking🤜🤜

[@blockchainbrudda3051]

What you are describing is a brilliant idea. Read into Decentralized Autonomous Organization (DAOs) . This is the infustructure we need to do so.

[@carolinesikakane8012]

excellent idea im in

[@nhlakaniphomohlala139]

Penuel was once a cab driver, back when I was in Varsity 2012/2013 and we drove from Aucklandpark to Randburg having these conversations

[@christopherthorne7885]

I also had a cab ride with him

[@molokomoloko5099]

Wow

[@moeketsimosidi2140]

When Pen said "thinking has almost become a crime" 😤 Now I understand why I feel the way I feel

[@fezilemqeke3083]

I still don't get that right, is it Talking that is a crime? Or is it Critical thinking? Meaning if thinking is a crime why are we still having Philosophians and physiologists?

[@sydneymaswanganyi]

I am enjoying this much awaited interview. We may not agree in everything Penuel stands for but is worth listening to because it opens our minds.

[@eLKaymusic]

Right on! That's the beauty of discussing taboo issues openly with the mindset of critically unpacking them with without fear of being ridiculed or silenced.

[@marthakhala3014]

People are not ready to engage in these type of conversations, taboo issues that people don't want to unpack. Instead they will say you are crazy.

[@thabelomulaudzi9985]

This guy must be given a platform, to me he makes more sense than JuliAss

[@revolution475]

...absolutely though provoking arguments and ideas. Even if one strongly disagrees, a platform must be given. But I wish they had more time, because he was just rushing through it and there was a lot to cover. I might just become a penuelist or pen 🤔!

[@sbusisoshezi2684]

yes, some of what he says, i don't agree with. sometimes, he contradicts himself

[@amandachiliza7090]

I won't lie , I think the whole Christianity thing was meant to blind us as Black people. African history and Spirituality makes more sense to me as a black person. I'm going through changes, and digging deep about the history of our ancestors.

[@tirolehutso5808]

All Religions! Not just Christiamity

[@shezinkosinathi]

Every spiritual shit claimed to be practiced over the years is blinding. Someone who literally was breathing the same air as you came with a theory about ancestors and people followed, how weird.

[@amandachiliza7090]

@@shezinkosinathi It's weird right. But African history makes more sense besides the proof of it all. I don't see myself praying to God anymore, it doesn't make any sense why I should do so.

[@kuhleteady4418]

And come back educate us 🙏

[@neomarkmohengwa5256]

It's soo very true cause it was used question our hummuilty

[@axualifazil]

I feel like Pen needs to come back for another episode in a few months. He's another one of our treasures.

[@johannesmathe2597]

Facts!!!

[@axualifazil]

@@thegreattyler7878 Who would you rather say they could've called in his space instead ?

[@blackkonnexion]

@Chris Mohlala:After this episode MacGyver started calling Penuel "a sellout" and all that;which was hnfounded. But if you look at the beginning of the show Mac got intimidated;hence I wasn't surprised when he started calling Penuel names and the Mac G minions followed. So Pen cannot come back here;he exposed too much arrogance on this podcast and dudes felt it..

[@nyamekancapayi]

​@@blackkonnexion Noooo, Mac was NEVER intimidated! You need to understand that Mac Is VERY GOOD in hyping up people to make them feel comfortable especially in his space!!! Pen will come back if Mac invites him again, mark my words!!!

[@SomethingElse_ZA]

I love how MacG didn't allow this guy to drift away. He kept repeating his questions until he got an answer.

[@Wholisticbohoo]

MacG is genius 💯

[@derrick823]

Lol, no. You want yes and no answers. Penuel is very descriptive with his answers and that just means you have to listen after asking a question.

[@mandlamhlongo7672]

It because this guy thinking is closed minded and he is very descriptive because he is trying to convince people that he is right. The sad part is people who think like him, bayamthanda.

[@octaviamcaka-birhange9153]

and he can drift, this guy. Yhooooooooo

[@tshepza1417]

All I can say about this episode, is that you don't have to agree with a person. But be open minded and hear different perspective from other people. Simple. No need to insult.

[@sikhonamdunge6847]

Nkululeko and cults., DJ Sub, Penuel, Podcast and chill let's make it happen. All of them chilling talking about the world

[@tatendamazvita]

nehhhh!

[@Mamokete_Mosia]

💯💯💯

[@nangamsohangana]

❤️❤️❤️

[@MuhLodic]

👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@nduduzothobani3067]

Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate must come fetch one of their own. This dude is FREE. You're a big inspiration my brother

[@Bakwe2]

MacG did really well to bring Penuel back to the original questions consistently because he can be all over with his points.

[@KhetheloNKhumalo]

So true after that he was answering every questions

[@lindelwajaca1369]

True

[@nkosikhonamabizela8006]

Pen deserves to be heard . You don't have to agree with everything but he will educate you on a lot

[@happinesscasmiro2569]

Yes on the not agreeing with everything.

[@oratileratsoma]

Please name three things he taught you

[@nomvulamathe3007]

Hey Pen will educate you. You might not agree with everything that he stands for, but as soon as he is done with you. You will realise that you still have a lot hey lot of homework.

[@oratileratsoma]

@@nomvulamathe3007 You are still failing to mention 3 things. Maybe he teaches you but all I hear him do Is talk like he is some smart person meanwhile he is just full of opinions 😡

[@siyabongantinga880]

But as a Zulu I feel that u Penuel UYIMBUKA mesuyeka ukuba umZulu he doesn't have to ehamba etshela abantu ,as engathi thina maZulu asisile ngokuba iwona

[@veztimekeeper9547]

Love him or hate him, you can't deny his brilliance. Definitely my favourite episode of the year.

[@thabisom723]

👏🏾seconded there

[@suzygirl1843]

Brilliant? Have you not been paying attention to any talking points of the West? Sorry but we just get the news late in South Africa.

[@khanyisilemkhize6355]

"I want to colonise as many minds as possible" but his first cult principle is "Own your mind"... Make it make sense🤔 Intelligent man though SOME of the things he speaks of make sense and mind stimulating

[@mzwakhesitole4872]

Penuel is fantastic to listen to. Critical thinkers thoroughly enjoy him, myopic minded people find offense, and when listening to him it becomes very difficult to sit on the fence. Love it!

[@lucyjones3655]

Bra you need Jesus in your life . This man just give him 500 millions dollers he will deny his religion 😅😅😅😅

[@luyandamato326]

Sol was worried that he bombed on the Roast...ay ayikho leyonto... Sol nailed his part, people just had really high expectations and he also felt like he under delivered because of the crowd. I think he showed out.... Shout out to Sol🔥🔥🔥🔥🙌🙌🙌🙌

[@en1575]

Sol doesn't script his punch lines they are on real time , the rest of the roast was scripted.

[@lukasmakgopa4834]

He really did good ..just mpho pops also brought him down with those words ...he really nailed it..most ddnt even get his punchlines but we do...it wasn't bad man m proud personally

[@asivhanga87]

Agreed!

[@khahlisom3211]

Plus that crowd was mostly industry and we all know how they love to hate Mac and Sol...

[@tsheposhongoane2591]

Very true , I felt the same way

[@nafukwatshepomashiachidi7408]

"Your body is the only asset that you'll own" Deep 🔥🔥🔥🙏

[@khethiwemethula2023]

Right 🎯

[@ignatiusmakodi6767]

Peneul dropping knowledge, MacG, Sol & Ghost Lady being the everyday South African giving input and asking important questions. This episode should be on every television screen in the country

[@neomos4537]

Why is this episode not on a million views 👏👏👏👏I love intelligent people and critical thinkers. I also like how actively Sol uses his brain he challenges the Guests opinion and Penuel literally also thinks on his feet... This interview can never be planned..... My top 2 interview with Israel Zulu episode

[@enigma5703]

Guys don't get distracted with him calling himself a god. This guy has very practical thoughts. Many useful nuggets you can take from him.

[@khumbudzorambau5067]

sol phenduka interrupted him a lot

[@silungile3022]

Lmao bruh I get so frustrated when people are that shallow. Like surely your brain isn't that small?

[@enigma5703]

I think between his excitement and 1 too many, he couldn't contain himself. Cause he is usually such a good engaging host. McG surprised me cause he usually is the one clowning about but he was really engaged and open to know more.

[@mphojames4547]

Besides that's just an ambiguous title like (king, landlord, lord, master e.t.c)

[@floydseoka5871]

@@khumbudzorambau5067 maybe thats y Dineo doesnt allow him to talk lol

[@philangcamu]

Jordan Peterson of South Africa🔥. This guy is lethal when he articulates seemingly complex issues into simple and understandable sentences/analogies

[@afroteen4647]

Hhaayyy

[@tendamudzimugoza5402]

Exactly what I was thinking

[@lebom2456]

Danko

[@suzygirl1843]

He is basically using the same talking points. He's just using it in the South African context

[@afroteen4647]

@@suzygirl1843 I repeat ,hhhaayyyiii Jordan Peterson is on a whole other level

[@ayandetwala]

I'm a Zulu, Black, African and Christian man, but great interview.

[@anelemotha2084]

100% agree with Pen… as black people we have an issue with accounting for our actions 🥹

[@buhlesihlali]

The episode we've been waiting for🙌🏿🙌🏿 I like this collabo of Virtual Mkhukhu & Podcast and Chill🥰🥳🥳🥳

[@ellishaindobo1794]

a brilliant ecosystem. love it!

[@mfumotroyholeni3498]

It’s a collaboration of Penuel the black pen and podcast and chill

[@Zy-gote]

Nah there's no collab. Cav Sbu is a business man and being a business man it means u capitalise when u see an opportunity. He saw an opportunity in Podcast n chill so he had to capitalise in false pretense of being "humble and being OG " if he didn't see the numbers Mac n Sol were gettin man wouldn't even mention anything about em. It's not rocket science. Don't be blinded. PS: it's my opinion by the way. No hate

[@ananias2580]

@@Zy-gote I respect your opinion but disagree. I have a small KZbin channel with just over 700 subscribers and DJ Sbu commented on 3 of my videos. Very small channel in the bigger scheme of things but that's somewhat of an endorsement on my side to keep going (in fact he said he's looking forward to my growth). So in short I think he's being genuine. Plus I think MacG interviewed him on like episode 18 or something of podcast and chill... Before the heavy numbers🤷🏾‍♂️

[@ananias2580]

@@Zy-gote + become a member Bro, that's real collaboration 😆

[@Baret2010]

This guy is flipping open minded beyond the word open

[@BGladnessLekgoa]

Bruh!!!

[@sisiphomambumba5005]

Women fought for empowerment. They were not handed. The question of “who gave you empowerment” doesn’t sit well with me. I’m not a feminist don’t get me wrong, but women fought for the spaces they are in today. And I totally agree, conversations around such topics need to be had. “Taboo” topics needs to be dismantled. Great interview 🥂

[@zeigh_777]

exactly

[@doctormashaba]

Please get Joshua Maponga on the show.

[@CryptoHustleLive]

This man is a legend.

[@godpenuel]

You're my hero, Grey! Can't wait to travel with you! 🔥🔥🔥

[@thabolekoloane6080]

We need you on the podcast, Grey! I just joined the crypto university and I'm learning a lot from you 🙏🏾. Bless up

[@cheysa7927]

The documentary(1:50:25) of Afrikaner kids in military camps is called Fatherland...for those who are interested.

[@showbizzkings-ku9fj]

The reason why this episode isn't the best in history of podcasts is because people didn't grasp a lot of what Penuel was saying and distracted by Mcg and Sol,this episode can build the world.

[@growthcodepodcast8141]

This interview should have been 5 hrs long, it was a great interview. The best in my humble view, my biggest take was' lets be critical thinkers, lets use our analytical faculty to analyze information, lets not just absorb information because it was said by someone we like, lets question every thing. That's why we have the conscious mind, to reject and accept information. Great interview indeed , I am still in awe! Any man that encourages critical thinking has my utmost respect ,it is Andrew Carnegie who said "You are what you think. So just think big, believe big ,give big, forgive big, laugh big, love big and live big" As black people we must stop thinking like victims because we will forever be victims , everything is created in the mind ,what we see is just a manifestation of our thoughts.

[@marianlandsberg3775]

Hello fellow Chiller...I resonate with much of your thought in response.. One thing that lingers In my mind is one question... When one is in solo space, where is free thinking then? We are human beings ...race, culture, religion and all that our daily existence entails and boxes for 'safety' , structure or controls.. All man orientated... Is then our problem as a human race not fear? Fear of self ? How do we as the chillers understand, follow and question for positive change and a greater positive influence... Get intrigued, motivated and enlightened.... Yet it ends here... In comment and opinionated view points... Have we then not always been woke.... Here is Penuel.. One of many stepping forth to "share".. on a platform that allows mar movement and engagements. How do we relate and question and understand.... Coz we've always known.... We are... And all is abound as the answer...

[@kb5735]

One needs to be careful when listening to this guy cos he's so good at articulating he's views and ideas and can easily influence alot of people without them knowing if he's bull shitting or not

[@thesoundexperience7706]

He did say people are allowed to take or reject his ideas

[@titotwala4931]

That is why one should be a critical thinker and do your own research and come to your own conclusion.

[@zethuzulu1441]

@@titotwala4931 l

[@keabua]

I agree with you here. The episode is entertaining but I would NOT call it educating. LOL! The guy has a very interesting perspective on life and the world.

[@asivhanga87]

That's what I thought, felt like he was overhyped, but okay. 🤭 Edit: I commented too early before finishing the interview, he does raise a lot of good points 🤭

[@ntjayabophelo5223]

We may not totally agree with him, but his reasoning is spot on.

[@Som_Som...]

🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌

[@michellehadebe8162]

Mac G: Are you gonna answer any of my questions? I was thinking the same thing.

[@Molefi_Molefe]

I have a dream that someday there can be a roundtable between Eugune Khoza x Penuel x Sizwe Dlomo x Zola 7 x Celest Ntuli

[@Yv1o5]

Yeeeees!

[@thurancecameron]

Dineo please come fetch Sol 🙋✋🤣🤣🤣🤣. Wow!!! the numbers on the episode is already insane 😃. Proud Penuelist and Chiller 🥳🥳🥳🎉🎉🎉

[@godpenuel]

❤️❤️❤️

[@wandilechris5213]

@@godpenuel man please don't stop keep on Digging more info for the youth for South Africa to better the country

[@lihlejafta]

One thing about well spoken people is that no matter how much you wanna disagree with them, you still can’t help but listen.

[@BGladnessLekgoa]

After watching this episode,I realized how many conversations I need to engage in:first with myself 🤯🤯 Mac & Sol,that you for bringing this guy on,he took me to parts of my brain I never knew I had ❤️❤️🥺 arghh!!! Man!!!

[@leo-maxchill-eaxy6001]

A year Later It's my first time watching this Episode and I must Say Penuel Is a Gee. The dude is Smart much respect for the dude 🙌🔥

[@songzlaphu3148]

Mind Blowing, Eye Opening, These are the conversations we should be having on a daily on all platforms! Therapeutic work gents ☮

[@suzygirl1843]

Eye opening? Have you heard of Jordan Peterson? You're behind, Sir.

[@faniemabuza8893]

Mind blowing? Aibo

[@lekis5975]

@@faniemabuza8893 You can always tell who gets their news from social media, as opposed to reading up on material from proper scholars.

[@LindoGenius]

I'm definitely going to watch this interview again too many gems.

[@plakkasmirff6919]

Same here 👊🏾

[@kwindat.i.3560]

Most of the things he said is influenced by reading. Reading opens the mind folks, read and ask questions and let it be a stimula to innovation

[@Camillafandeso]

2hours is not enough we need more of this guy.

[@lucyjones3655]

Bra you need Jesus in your life . This man just give him 500 millions dollers he will deny his religion 😅😅😅😅

[@ayayaflame]

She doesnt need a white non existant man

[@maboysmajozi8576]

"Your body is the only real asset you'll ever own " ~Penuel

[@Mrtdogg101]

Penuel's way of communicating is called WORD SALAD. The term word salad refers to random words or phrases linked together in an often unintelligible manner. Often, a listener is unable to understand the meaning or purpose of the phrase/conversation. He would say one good thing followed by a lot of confusion!

[@olonakama]

You explained it so well!

[@Mrtdogg101]

@@olonakama thank you.

[@sthembisomthembu395]

Went over your heads. Lol

[@Mrtdogg101]

@@sthembisomthembu395 i understand him fully and my level of discernment is above par. Im speaking for the average Joe.

[@booairmow]

😂

[@simphiwesibongilemazibuko4546]

We need people like Pen, E.Khoza, Sizwe Dhlomo to fix the gov system. They are so knowledgeable and not afraid to speak. Stand for what they believe in. Man the is a reason or purpose in their existence man...

[@musictomyears1916]

Before Election day we need him again so that he can clarify most of the hidden agendas

[@SomeonesTswanaDad]

There’s some sensible stuff in this interview. But there’s also a lot of stuff I don’t think is sensible. I appreciate him sharing all of it🙏🏽

[@napomokhethi7818]

MacG was calm and we manged to crasp the education part of todays interview. I enjoyed every minute of this conversation, cut down on the noise and let the conversation flow

[@marvelousmsimango9516]

My guy, at times Sol gets too excited and start interrupting the person speaking, indeed conversation should flow.

[@kwenankgweng9172]

Mac g is pro in what he's doing guys,.big up...

[@kudubatsorampai640]

sol was all over.no.

[@zeezor]

52:49 I totally agree, I do have to say though we can only ever say fuck history the day we aren't force fed other peoples "we invented maths" that makes us look at them as if they are the greatest to have ever walked on this god forsaken ball of misery.

[@kgotsosambo4126]

I like Penuel. He is super 👌 cool. Very focused and not easily distracted. I love it when he unpacks one topic thoroughly before he answers the next one even when asked more questions. He stands his ground and finishes one topic and then moves to the next topic and goes back without being reminded. He is a legend 🙌

[@lunganingwabe2261]

👌 his delivery is priceless

[@lekis5975]

@Kgotso Sambo He didn't answer any questions thoroughly he just made bizarre statements that didn't make any sense. He said women need to stop being difficult, and then turned around and said he's advised his son to teach his daughter to fight so that she can fight boys. Most boys are stronger than girls, what happens if a boy hits her and hurts her? Also, what happens if the daughter takes the same fighting mentality into the her marriage? He then said that men are animals, they are wild and women need to be equally crazy. Thing is, men and women are wired differently. In the Traditional African society, when boys came to a certain age, they were entrusted in the care of their father, they were taught how to herd cattle, hunt (and/or fish), they were initiated into manhood under the supervision of men and instructed how to be husbands and custodians, they then went into military and learnt how to protect the community. Penuel has argued that getting married forces a woman to use her husband's surname which is demeaning. In the traditional African society, women used their CLAN NAMES. Surnames were introduced by the colonisers. Even today, our mothers are addressed by the clan names. There's absolutely no reason to be anti-marriage. *Marriage is a contract*, it gives both parties RIGHTS. Should your spouse end up on a life support machine you get to have a say, but if you are just living together, the parents get to have the final say. Statistics also show that two parent homes are more financially stable than one parent homes. Sadly, colonisation destroyed our traditional way of life. Instead of giving in to our baser instinct we need to be looking for the best way to marry our traditional way of life to modern day life so that we can live amicably together. Capitalism has created a world of Haves and Have nots. Many men are frustrated because they can't provide for themselves or their families properly. We need to be looking for solutions for these problems, not adding fuel to the fire. We are struggle to handle money because money is a recent development in Africa. We used to engage in barter trade, we were self employed (everybody owned their land and cattle and ran small businesses). The white man got rid of our traditional economy, and introduced a different system which is very exploitative. . He robbed us of our Land (using various Land Acts) and pushed us into arid areas, he stole or killed our cattle and then he imposed Hut Tax. He then locked us out of the lucrative parts of the economy, only allowing us in as slave labour. Our parents struggled during Apartheid living hand to mouth. 1994 was supposed to bring about change, but the ANC got played at CODESA. Truth is when they got the keys to the country, ,they found that the Boers had emptied the coffers and stuck South Africa with a debt of $25 BILLION. Tata asked the World Bank, IMF and Western powers to cancel the debt but they refused,. He asked them for something similar to the Marshall Plan (Grants and Loans (at low interest 2%); akin to what the USA gave Europe to build after the 2nd World War) but they refused. On to of that, they deliberately cut back on Foreign Investment! The ANC was crippled, they had to shelve all the development plans (houses, hospitals ,schools energy for all, jb creation), and instead focus on paying off the debt, sorting out South Africa's credit rating so that the govt could be able to borrow on favourable terms! Sadly, somewhere along the way corruption became common place within the ANC. Penuel, much like Nota is mentally ill, and you lot are enabling him.

[@thandoprudencendlovu5240]

@@lekis5975 I wish I could pin your comment, I haven’t watched the whole this, not even half through it but when I scroll through comments people are praising this guy and I’m like why? Am I listening to the same person the chillers are listening too because clearly I haven’t heard anything concrete In what he’s saying. Anyways he took me when he said he has 6 kids and wants more and that’s when I knew the type of person he is. He is selfish, wants to have the last word, and doesn’t care about other people, he just wants to be remembered when he dies.

[@lekis5975]

@@thandoprudencendlovu5240 Sisi, he has SIX children by FOUR different women. At one point he had a very public spat with one of them. They were embroiled in a legal dispute which he happily documented on social media. Last I heard, he had decided not to pay child support. When men do such things, it's the children who get hurt. If he doesn't the mother (s) to get the money, he could have just paid the school fees directly to the school and bought school uniform and stationary. Anyway, the podcast just got worse and worse, he was advocating women employ violent tactics...iYho! I can't even. It 's one thing to invite people who have achieve something, who've gone through their ups and downs, and are looking to share something constructive with us...this man something else, he is the epitome of dysfunction... I'm not entirely sure what chillers are cheering on.

[@RedEyede]

Please watch it again and if it doesn't make sense still, then I'll try to explain to you what he is saying

[@yvettelanga5256]

We’re living in exciting times I’m based in America 🇺🇸 and I wish I was home right now seeing how the younger generation is waking up ✊what a time to be alive 👏

[@user-nh6vw5xc6t]

I love the fact that Penuel is with MacG and Sol I love this thing of Podcasts because of these three guys. Good information Penuel is sharing with us, he knows his story on point even when we won't agree in everything, but he's stating real facts and realistic information that might help us as blacks.

[@petermakhubela5830]

Every time I want to stop listening, he drops a bombshell, he is everywhere but he has strong points

[@ntombikumalo7451]

Penuel is a big deal. I follow him on Facebook. Very intelligent.

[@thendophungotshiendanamisi68]

Very very intelligent!

[@highandmightyqueen79]

he is

[@thurancecameron]

He is slept on

[@lethupg3349]

Now i appreciate MacG's talent His way is to get people talking Sol's way is to talk. Sometimes this is good but sometimes its counter productive when we have a guest.

[@prospercasious7982]

Faaacts!!

[@TOG292]

Yup, Sol can be veeeery annoying sometimes

[@luckybaitseng9379]

Today he was worse, I think he was just too drunk

[@kgomotsegootukile5721]

Yeah he's too much most of the time

[@oratilentimane5731]

I’m so glad you pointed this out. I was getting abit frustrated with him interrupting

[@phumelelemsomi]

people salute a person sharing their hidden PoV that they never went on with, when you are a reader, you will understand that he has a stance he took, and that is not a initial purpose for what he is perceiving. there are gaps in his beliefs, gaps that can only be understood by experience. His pereception of christianity is flawed.

[@kanakanamathivha1933]

I don't regret following this guy, I don't agree with some of the things he says but this man is intelligent..🙆

[@tumelomolefu8982]

Critical thinking is very important, I understand what Penual is saying even if I don’t agree with some of his takes. He is brilliant

[@suzygirl1843]

He's not saying anything new

[@fjhkerwoiero00]

@@suzygirl1843 he is saying most of the things new to many! I wonder why you listen to the whole podcast while he is not saying anything new! We know Penuel the Black Pen, we don't know!!

[@thabokhumalo8655]

I like how MacG handles interviews !!!!!!

[@vuyelwamantjie]

1. Become a critical thinker! Don’t be gullible! Just because you’ve heard it said eloquently doesn’t make it gospel. ;)

[@ReituJay]

Sol is a huge asset to this podcast

[@stevensanele6238]

Lol Sol is too wasted! 😂😂😂 he really killed me on this episode!! 😂😂😂 hai ngeke! 😂😂😂

[@greedya]

Finally someone notices that, I mean he keeps punching in words 😂😂

[@theoshangase.6882]

Lol yey I noticed him ngeke 😀

[@musakhumalo5424]

Ayyy uyahlupha today😂

[@gautank_]

😂😂😂😂😂😂too much

[@maposomahlako2512]

I think he's drunk

[@Billie977]

I like how Areece has outlined some of the things Penuel talked about on his music _ clearly shows how liberated and intelligent the boy is. Been longing for the podcast with Penuel, such an exceptional mind.

[@emilychabedi4215]

Yoh the way Sol allowed his drinking get in the way of him being a gentle, interesting to listen to guy !!! Sooo disappointed in the way his drunkenness made him constantly distract our profound guest especially when he was making critical points!! This was a great interview, was just terribly annoyed by Sol thinking him being so drunk was cool while it distracted the profound conversation

[@olgammatli5976]

So true, Sol was a distraction today especially towards the end of the interview.

[@hovethabiso]

This interview was educating me and I didn't even realize that this was a 2hr interview. Pen is an intellectual gent and he knows how to articulate himself so well, a lot of things he said made sense because of the ways he put them out there to the public. We need a Part 2 Definitely...💯

[@luckymahlangu6374]

Ayyy this guy is delusional 😂

[@kgomotsomfisa7038]

The best podcast in AFRICA

[@CryptoHustleLive]

In the world

[@palesaralesai8132]

We need more minds like this.......minds that will question and teach cos majority of us are complicit and conform. People like Penuel are rattlers and are needed to awaken black minds. We've been sleeping for too long guys🤞🏽😢

[@nyikoluckyhendrickz]

Mara Sol Penduka Angeke, scratching his back with the AWARD 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@evns6101]

The Religion part is Kaaak but when it comes to Life and Leadership this guy is a Genius🔥🔥

[@maraka8106]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@nomxhosapekani7966]

Yes it's just a controlling tool for those who follow. Any as for me The Lords IS NOT my Shepherd for I am NOT a Sheep!!

[@ntombikumalo7451]

So excited to see Penuel in the house.

[@sindisiwekay3661]

Finally 💃💃💃

[@Go_Nkosi]

I was not planning to watch this interview because i felt like i knew him from The Hustlers Corner but here i am shocked as fuck,what an interesting interview!

[@bonganimagawula6844]

im really inspired by black pen i used to feel ashamed about me having two kids to different mothers was a shame but pen changed my mind im the greatest ever happen in the world. my father died in 2009 and we are 14 esendeni lika baba .

[@MsKay287]

I really enjoyed this episode, Penuel is so knowledgeable.

[@vusumuzikhanye9729]

But not a leader he doesn’t believe in the black and he thinks his superior

[@lekis5975]

@Mpume Khumalo You call this knowledgeable? Penuel said women need to start murdering and raping men. He said that African women are too combative, and then turned around and said, he encourages his children to fight each other, so that his daughter can learn to fight, so that she can fight boys estratweni. Boys are stronger than girls, what if she gets into a fight with a strong boy and he hurts her? What if she carries that fighting spirit into her marriage? He said Afrikaner women are not as problematic as African women...did he hear what Afrikaner women had to say when Oscar Pistorius murdered Reeva Steenkamp? It's not all pap and vleeis for abhoMarika! He said African women like to attack Muslim women who choose to work in the family business.. Firstly, African women have never attacked Muslim women for their choices. It is the WEST who went to wage war under the guise of liberating Afghani women from their burkas! He said African women refuse to work in family owned businesses and would much rather work for corporate. Where are these African owned family businesses? Wena do you know any woman who refused to work in a family owned business and instead opted to work in corporate? On the issue of money, he doesn't know that in the traditional african society, every one was self employed- everyone owned land and cattle and they had their own side business either trading, weaving, pottery, beadwork, blacksmith etc. The white man came and destroyed our traditional way of life, he stole our cattle, whatever he didn't still he killed! It's in the history books. He then used the law to steal the arable land, and pushed our grandfathers into arid land. When our forefathers refused to work for him in the mines, he implemented the the HUT TAX, thereby forcing young men to work in the mines for a pittance just so as to be able to pay the HUT TAX for their parents and grandparents! Our forefathers were excluded from the economy, they were overworked, underpaid and subjected to all manner of abuse! As Black people we have only been dealing with money for about 120 years, meantime Jews have been operating as shylocks (money lenders) for CENTURIES! Maps Maponyana said research revealed that it will take the average Black family EIGHT GENERATIOns (200 years) to get out of poverty! On marriage, he says he doesn't want to get married, because marriage subjugates women by forcing them to use their husband's surnames...in the traditional African society a married woman was always referred to by her CLAN NAME. Even today, the in-laws refer to the makoti by her CLAN NAME! Marriage is a contract. It gives women rights! If you anything happens to your husband the wealth is protected. If a spouse end up on a life support, then you can decided when to switch off the machine, but if you are co-habiting the parents can take primary position and make decisions! Back in the day when a woman got married she received cattle (lobola) and land, marriage actually made women wealthy. White women on the other hand are the ones who had to pay lobola! Their husbands would chow the money, get wife number 2 and rinse and repeat, The Marriage Women's Act 1882 was enacted to protect a woman's dowry. To this day, in Europe, when a woman gets married, her father has to pay for her wedding! African women tilled the land. Men looked after cattle (no easy feat considering the wild animals and threats from marauding warriors from other nations). Men also hunted game. At the end of the day, women brought vegetables, grain, fruit, seeds and nuts to the table, whilst, men brought meat. Our grandmothers didn't need feminism because they were independent, they went dutch before white women knew the meaning of the word White women on the other hand, created feminism because they were oppressed. African women became oppressed under colonisation, because our women bought into the colonisers ways of oppressing women. Black now think that Black women are too much, they think Black women need to make themselves small like these white women who are low vibrational creatures- very passive aggressive! No Sisi, don't be taken in by the pretty face and Model C school accent. When someone shows you who they are, believe them. Narcissists are not good people!

[@MsKay287]

@@lekis5975 You see...you are also just like him, very knowledgeable and you articulate(write) very well. Mina I admire people like him and you also because you know how to put your point across. I don't agree with everything he said but what he said got me thinking, same way it got you thinking. Anyways I think you also brilliant, I read this looooong reply and I was like he/she knows their ish. You see if you had a youtube channel id be subscribing now. PS: lol I'm definitely not mesmerized by his English accent and his looks, it's the way he thinks for me.😉😃

[@lekis5975]

@@MsKay287 Ah MaKhumalo! You are a sweettalker wena pick a struggle!😂

[@siyabongacebekhulu3649]

@@MsKay287 and wena makhumalo unkulunkulu wakubusisa ngokukwazi ukulalela umuntu noma ephikisa opinion yakho uphinde ukwazi ukusho something positive about them wow 👌... sisi I love your personality. ❤️

[@ntethelelosabelongwenya8752]

This guy is the definition of “Think outside the Box”

[@future76sht66]

you know you still can get your point across without an f word every second

[@lemia_sa365]

The black pen talk sense but him being a God and giving our former oppressors flowers n calling us chillers failed is nonsense bro, Mac g ma boy u on point 👌I like the way u point the show when it's loosing direction sol yeka ukuminya boy.. 😂 But u also on point bro.. i like the ghosy lady question keep up girl keep engaging ✌

[@wangatshilande9739]

“Good men need to learn how to be dangerous” I felt that. Since the riots and seeing the indians and whites armed I have been wanting to get armed myself. The time is now.

[@Mbembetwins]

The black Pen we never stop learning literally he is so smart ❤️

[@omphilemoatshe3296]

"Who gave you woman empowerment" the silent after that question I felt in deep inside. Great interaction. This episode definitely falls under my top 5

[@masediphago9319]

Yeah this guy needs to come back.

[@kaelomonthe5218]

The 2 hours of thz interview felt like 15mins indeed. Mind is power, thank you so very much chillers.🇧🇼🇧🇼🇧🇼🇧🇼

[@hendrickmaheso5608]

This is as quietly as I've seen Mac G😂🙌🏿. He's in class and he's got interesting questions.

[@extrovertmukwevho1228]

And confused 😂😂😂😂

[@pfanomukhodobwane1666]

MacG likes to play dumb but he is far from that and he asks good questions

[@zimdollar3229]

He was bored

[@jarjar5497]

This episode was bought to you by Sol Ranaka and Mac Phenduka...

[@tobelanitobz286]

Can you guys please invite Dr Mbuyiseni Ndlozi for a Political Education because what I witnessed all of you, you're not aware of our politics in South Africa.

[@MrAmenem]

Yoh after watching this episode my mind felt like I was in another dimension. How this guy can speak about things will make you think hard.

[@lubabalolondanondabula2427]

I'm so convinced that we are all wrong for not doing what this guy is doing.

[@nyambosetheoriginal]

Weeee🤣🤣🤣🤣🤦🏿‍♂️

[@lubabalolondanondabula2427]

@@nyambosetheoriginal Ever since I started listening to him 😂😂 I'm no longer the same person

[@nyambosetheoriginal]

@@lubabalolondanondabula2427 u sound like christians🤞🏿😂😂 I hate religions 😂😂😂

[@SizArt8]

MacG, Sol, Ghost Lady & The whole team, please ask this guy to be your mental advisor on business decisions, for me this is on of thee greatest chills you’ve done to date, Big Up.🙌🏾

[@ERICK.8099]

This is powerful,one lady will say I never want to be in polygamy until she meets a rich guy who has a wife and willing to make her second wife,"when you winning nobody cares"

[@nicnkosi6449]

The podcast has become Sol's therapy session. A space to be unradio. I love to see it

[@Mbalings]

LOL He gets so excited

[@kwanelenyakambi9380]

This guy is such a fluent speaker, I can listen to him all day long.

[@thembakazimnguni9326]

But the fucks!! Yho

[@deephouse5570]

Man! 💯

[@mzikaphalo7684]

Bruhhh this episode though🔥🔥. Honestly, this is the kind of fire I had expected from CIC Malema's interview

[@asandamthembu6275]

Very insightful, what a smart , well articulate human being Penuel is.

[@TheTeejay17]

Next guest should be the great Joshua Maponga! Awesome episode this was