Machamp Suspect Laddering in Gen 4 OU.

[@jimothygaming]

UPDATE: I am Bad.

[@DkKobaADV]

Bad to the bone

[@asdfzxcv12345]

Have you live-streamed recently Jim? I have missed participating in such an event.

[@senny-]

I am bad. Breaking bad.

[@SludgeBob_]

Your first mistake was not having Muk on your team. Rookie mistake

[@senny-]

@SludgeBob_ His second mistake is not being a Lickilicky superfan, which is a travesty in the spirit of Gen 4.

[@Endless_Titan]

We must purge the evil that is Machamp by using the virtuous and honest ParaFlinch Jirachi.

[@ggw1776]

Update folks: Jirachi is now being questioned by authorities for causing more havoc in Machamp's video than Machamp himself.

[@SlowRule]

Yes. Machamp, not rachi folks.

[@RedRockin6]

Stockholm Syndrome

[@leekyb3837]

The four arms of Machamp allow him to click a button 2x as hard meaning he deals more damage

[@TheWing2dasky]

The numbers do not lie, the math is incontrovertible

[@Phantom_Communique]

The math does indeed math

[@halowaffle25]

Machamp gonna get banned for unmissable Dynamic Punches introducing unhealthy RNG. Very much unlike all of Jirachi's very healthy RNG.

[@josearmortegah8093]

Love this comment

[@CharaTF2]

the general consensus is that machamp's unhealthy rng is unhealthier than jirachis (iron head can be pivoted around, pp stalled, its relatively weak so breaking through it with a resist isnt the worst thing in the world, machamp's on the other hand cannot be pivoted around aside from ghosts which machamp naturally threatens out anyways, para + confuse is almost as likely to immobilize you as para + flinch and machamp teams almost always have para support from pokemon like clef rachi and latias [ to prove my point the odds of getting through parafuse is 37.5, while paraflinch is 30%), machamp is also less important to the metagame at large (this is machamp's main thing, jirachi has 6000 other sets that aren't paraflinch) and its important to note there are people who are in support of banning flinch moves (generally either 20% or 30% flinch moves)

[@xenobrina7880]

It's funny how they've banned ten dragons for just existing but Jirachi getting to paraflinch half my team is okay.

[@Tech35_]

​@@xenobrina7880 Sorry but if this is happening to you consistently, you just need better team composition. There are plenty of answers to SG Jirachi.

[@CharaTF2]

@@xenobrina7880 do you not have a steel resist who can beat rachi

[@witgiz]

this is truly the moment jimothy cool became luke 50 yen

[@witgiz]

update: this is truly the moment luke 50 yen became good luck gryan

[@glitchedoom]

Machamp's Protein abuse should disqualify him from the OU league.

[@king_slimy8859]

Im glad we have the very honest pokemon Jirachi and can possibly get rid of that devious Machamp creature

[@tarkusvontortellini1877]

"Wishing for rocks is like wishing for generational wealth. Its not gonna happen". Jim has given me a stark piece of wisdom with my breakfast youtube viewing folks; I was unprepared and I am scared.

[@lief1]

Bakpakzak is a bigger man than me. I probably would have rage quit after the back to back air slash miss. That's a 95% accurate move. The chances of that is like, 1 in 400. Good Luck Gryan indeed.

[@haidynwendlandt2479]

I think it’s so cool that Machamp COULD be banned to Ubers in a generation. Pro went from dog water in Gen 1, to top 10 in Gen 2, to a BL warrior in Gen 3, to potentially too strong for OU in Gen 4. Talk about a rollercoaster

[@bad8136]

It's not about power, it's about nobody wanting to play against D punch. Still quite a rise yeah

[@Pumpost]

Jirachi being legal and machamp being suspect tested is such a joke. If anything has an argument for uncompetitiveness it’s Jirachi. Wasn’t that 4 flinches in a row for the first game? I’ve had that happen in Gen 9 RU

[@handoverthestromboli6715]

The argument is that Jirachi and Machamp have stupid inconsistent hax buttons but there are many relevant steel resists that you can maneuver against Jirachi but Machamp clicks the move that turns the game into coin tosses and there's no Pokemon that can switch on Machamp because Payback hits Ghosts and Psychics while Flying types can't switch more than once into stealth rocks and take the 100BP stab move and then its still a coinflip so the best play is often just pray through the confusion or never give it a chance to outapeed you which is unreasonable. Its frustrating and not even consistent at winning Jirachi is evil though

[@rajkanishu]

​@@handoverthestromboli6715 true but Jirachi still needs to go

[@handoverthestromboli6715]

@@rajkanishu At the bare minimum, if Iron Head was banned, Jirachi would still be a top tier. Machamp is *solely* viable for its horseshit

[@Yepmyaccount]

Machamp being suspect tested for use of illegal, performance enhancing vitamins.

[@dVector13]

The suspect machamp is a very crafty criminal. Over 10 minutes of peak gameplay and not a dynamic punch to be seen.

[@WASD_ii]

1:22 "yes they have teranocif in this game too" BROOOOOOOOOOOO, THAT GOT ME SOOO BAAAD

[@LittleMoth2]

RIP Luke, miss you big man

[@chefdunsparce4254]

We ban Machamp Then Rachi Then Gyarados Then Tyranitar Then Rotom Then Heatran Until we ban the whole tier except Electrivire Then, he will finally thrive

[@michaelballack3051]

Machamp is being suspect testes folks. Next episode: Jirachi demoted to UU

[@JamNCam]

they gon have to suspect machoke too, he still a shooter in the lead slot

[@peternicholas3719]

I'm hype! Breloom is the more skillful version of Machamp, so I've heard

[@ciarzyx]

Machamp-cif

[@frycookHJ]

Jims been watching too much northernlion that earthquake into the magnet rise was such an egg head maneuver

[@samuraizer1175]

I’m confused, Machamp can get banned but they can’t take Electivire out of OU?

[@Kamil2-y9i]

Electrivire was ou by usage of gen 4 time. It has to stay.

[@CharaTF2]

banning isnt usage based, electivire in ou is, elect is in ou

[@yourdagan]

Smogon logic.

[@CharaTF2]

@@yourdagan ??? you know how the system works right, its usage based and the tradition has always been to cutoff usage once a gen is an old generation because the userbase drastically decreases, it will never fall out of ou and even then you wouldn't want to risk shaking up the uu metagame just because there are frauds who are in ou by old usage rates.

[@luckylucas8596]

@@CharaTF2I was with you, but I don’t think shaking up the Gen 4 UU metagame is a relevant concern. If Gen 4 OU has a significantly reduced player base, imagine how small the Gen 4 UU player base is. The argument I would use is that it’s too much work to maintain the usage statistics of older gens for very little gain.

[@quotidian8720]

unfortunately for machamp, today isn't machamp monday

[@thatoneguyUknow]

The Jamesothy self-Mag-trap incident of 09

[@mylorddio8272]

How tf they suspect Machamp first for being "uncompetitive" and not even touch Richi and that fucking flinch happy Iron Head. I vote no until that's dealt with

[@et34t34fdf]

Jirachi may not even let you move, at least you can break through confusion.

[@CharaTF2]

because machamp is just as annoying and less important to the metagame, jarachi is a staple of the metagame and banning it would change too much (that and most gen4 players are fine with it)

[@CharaTF2]

Also you can switch out of paraflinch its very much an endgame thing, but you can't switch out of getting confused by dynamic punch because its clicking dynamic punch again, and dynamic punch hits way harder than any rachi's iron head with less resists to boot.

[@bad8136]

Because 70 something voted to suspect machamp and 50 voted to suspect rachi, which isn't enough because you need a super majority to be tested. Also Jim has a team that is really bad into Para flinch rachi, so of course he loses to it

[@Zwijger]

I thought this was a meme. Machamp you did it buddy. Good enough to be banworthy.

[@TomFWA]

Jim representing famous Australian Rules Footballer, Gryan Miers.

[@JediWilli]

Fascinated over how you pronounce Custap Berry like its the name of an artist

[@NRF3703]

I also lead with Aerodactyl most of the time in my Gen 4 OU battles, lol. One of the best leads imo because of that fast Taunt and Stealth Rock! :D.

[@jarrodharvey5873]

Trick Room Bronzong and Magnet Rise Magnezone on the same team. We're gaming, folks.

[@RichardBlaziken]

The fact that this isn’t a Jirachi suspect test is insane

[@floralpatterns21]

The first 15 min straight of this being rachi flinch simulator is why I quit playing gen 4 and don't regret it

[@watsonwrote]

I've been playing for a couple of hours and haven't seen a single Machamp. Plenty of Jirachi hax though

[@EdmacZ]

And poor Electivire still isn't allowed to leave OU.

[@chess_fella]

Sussy Baka testing.

[@imcarolean]

The less Rng the better. Jirachi next

[@CharaTF2]

honestly flinch moves above 30% or even just iron head next is preferable to jirachi next, jirachi provides way more to the metagame than machamp, while machamp just adds rng

[@TheSeniorPotatoes]

“WHAT IS THIS BOZOPOLIS” 💀 19:06

[@MrPatrickbuit]

If you need any reason why Jirachi is next just look at that game 1

[@mondooowada3537]

can the next jimothy gaming gen 4 video have a candlelight memorial for good luck grian and luke

[@slimshaneyy]

Thanks for uploading the shameful video

[@Quingram000]

i love when u play gen 4 (even if it kinda sucks)

[@sheehwave]

Controversial Connor

[@Comment3r555]

Machamp in the UBER tier is something that'll freak everyone out! But who will replace its place?

[@Pumpost]

26:00 average Jirachi opposition experience

[@snake2250]

I won't lie, Machamp is really fucking annoying to fight. I'm not good enough to say if it's worth banning tho.

[@Mangneto]

I hate machamp, but I don't think he deserves the ban, unlike jirachi who makes the metageme very luck dominated

[@jimothygaming]

Gen 4 without Machamp is a superior format. I will not think about it any further than this.

[@CharaTF2]

the only thing that people use machamp for is that it adds that luck element to the game in a way that favors the machamp user quite a lot, atleast with rachi theres a way to remove the luck element from it while keeping it in a healthy state (banning iron head/30% flinch moves)

[@Luna-Lux]

Why don't they just ban dynamic punch

[@guppygb6078]

I love Machamp. Ban Jirachi.

[@diogenesenuts]

Birds willing

[@aldwych285]

Dynamic Punch

[@subtodicerat8305]

They should just ban No Guard or Dynamic Punch

[@nakajimasara]

You are just jealous of Machamp's biceps, Jimothy

[@BrianSweeney-s1j]

How did Machamp go from one of the worst pokemon in gen 1, to getting suspect tested in gen 4?

[@nathanieljones8043]

If you use machamp you could convince others of his sins

[@NineteenOhOne]

I've had negative feelings towards Machamp due to how hard it was to get one in the first generation.

[@willgarner1406]

music from the first battle?

[@swapper5684]

Who made the call with a straight face to suspect test Machamp of all mons when Jirachi exists within the format

[@MrPatrickbuit]

They’re both equally stupid and need to be gone

[@CharaTF2]

recently tournament players have been polled quite often and 76.5% of tournament players were in favor of banning machamp.

[@yettermi]

Please credit your video editors. I know Luke 50 Yen worked very hard on this.

[@qsns_]

would probably reset after a loss in the first 3-4, 85 gxe is a pretty high bar for a suspect. good luck soldier

[@t_bone_4]

Machamp team

[@austinmeakim7181]

I’m more of a past gen content consumer than player, I’ve dabbled in Gen 3 and Gen 5, but man Gen 4 just doesn’t look alluring, mainly because of Jirachi’s shenanigans

[@conrad9734]

After hours of hearing tyranacif I just googled it and it’s just tyranatar in Spanish shit

[@mysummerprojectjournal8933]

not giving the paste for the first team is tough :(

[@AugmentalGameplay]

For the love of god please let Electivire drop to UU 😭

[@jd_orph]

competitive pokemon has completely ruined my perception of Jirachi

[@AwesomeMooseSmile]

Machamp banned to Ubers? Conkeldorrk could never, Machamp is the champ for a reason.

[@bad8136]

Tbh with no rachi check no wonder that rachi stole some games (at the very least the first team didn't have one)

[@MrSlizzard]

Why Grass Knot us? Why Grass Knot now?

[@ericprzyborowski150]

i know dynamic punch is stupid but it would be shame to lose such cool pokemon. why cant we just ban punch instead :( this isnt unheard of because if i recall correctly, isnt SCALD banned in gen 5 UU? losing jirachi would be just as sad because it has so many cool sets. banning 20% flinch moves or a combination of flinching moves and serene grace would allow us to keep rachi while removing what everyone hates about it

[@jimothygaming]

Is Machamp really a cool mon without Dpunch? Pretty sure it would just never be used

[@CharaTF2]

the thing with machamp is that its only thing is dynamic punch, it gets 100% worse without it, with jirachi youre getting value without haxxing and theres a bunch of other sets, thats why machamps getting suspected instead of dpunch

[@xenobrina7880]

So after we ban Machamp Jirachi is next right? RIGHT?

[@michaelballack3051]

Jirachi is fine sir. Sincerely, smogon council.

[@et34t34fdf]

If champ is broken, what is Jirachi then?

[@fishfood12345]

can anyone explain why the GXE gets messed up from just 1 loss?

[@CharaTF2]

gxe decreases more if you lose on the low ladder than it does if you win on the high ladder, it also drops less the higher on the ladder you are, so if you lose game 1 you generally start a new alt to suspect with.

[@fishfood12345]

@@CharaTF2 thanks, that makes sense

[@Ethdawg]

Great now ban Latios in Gen 5 OU instead of trying to balance around it

[@hairyteeth2449]

Why is rotom-wash immune to superpower at 10:00? Edit: In gen 4, all rotom forms are still ghost / electric types. They gained their new type combinations in gen 5!

[@bobforeman8924]

This banning thing has been out of control for a while. Gen 3ou they just keep banning things that have to do with luck, but that's what this game is about. Banning things like glygar and cacturn from gen 3 is just not in the spirit of the game.

[@jimothygaming]

Actually Gen 3 is quite fun and I play it a lot and Cacturne is nowhere to be seen. This has had 0 negative impact on the format. I'm using various Fun strategies and not worrying about losing to a Cactus selecting Sub repeatedly and fishing for misses

[@bobforeman8924]

@@jimothygaming if they ban dugtrio im rioting

[@Singleparentof20000]

BAN JIRACHI

[@jhd303]

machocif

[@grandmastr2602]

I have hated machamp *for years*

[@bremalerage5935]

My goat machamp gonna get banned LETSSSSSSSSSSSSSS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@_TristanGray]

Luke 50 Yen 💴

[@SteveScapesYT]

BAN

[@azuremoon4372]

Why can't they just ban d punch or no guard instead Machamp's my goat :(

[@jimothygaming]

It's just a bad Mon without Dpunch

[@azuremoon4372]

@@jimothygaming probs true but still

[@robertmcdonough2990]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[@BromanderInChief]

That was me in the beginning 😭 I’m sorry for murdering Luke 50 Yen

[@BromanderInChief]

And apparently later I murdered the Tyranocif also I’m sorry Jim

[@m05513]

Honestly if the issue is never miss dynamic punch, why ban machamp. No guard is right there and only on that line

[@itztaytay2]

Machoke would have to prove to be problematic also, and it has some pretty glaring failings compared to Machamp that make its same cheesy combo not as threatening on paper

[@leovierra6612]

THEYRE GONNA BAN MACHAMP??? LMAO

[@sneedis9909]

First they ruined gen 5, now they are coming after gen 4. Pretty soon they are going to be banning baton pass and sleep in gen 3 OU. We need to hold the line here.

[@itztaytay2]

It's important to note the "they" is different in each of these, and they're all held through suspect tests so if you want to hold the line go get reqs and vote

[@CharaTF2]

how was gen5 ruined? was it banning cloyster? banning weather + weather speed boosting abilities?? i doubt you even play competitive pokemon if you think that theres one big pastgen council who controls the past gens. this comment is some slippery slope nonsense, machamp being banned wont effect the gen4 metagame much, what will happen is that an annoying piece of rng would get banned. also this is a suspect test, you can contribute if you want to (since its open to the whole community)

[@sneedis9909]

@@CharaTF2 gen 5 wasn't ruined by one thing, it was the accumulation of a number of things. cloyster only became a problem after they banned sleep, which only became a problem after they banned weather sweepers. whenever there is a new ban something new pops ups as a problem. the result is rarely a healthier metagame, it's just a metagame with less options. it's the same thing with machamp. people might not like machamp, but as soon as they ban him all those people will find a new target to direct their grievances towards. the only people this is going to effect are the people that like using machamp. also, nothing in my comment implied that I think past gens are controlled by a council.

[@CharaTF2]

@@sneedis9909 gen5 with weather sweepers was bad, sleep mechanics are terrible in gen5 it was always a problem, cloyster was a problem that developed more and was found worse, gen5 is one of those gens with a problem behind every corner, in comparison machamp is a problem for skill in dp (it just adds an extra layer of blind, very hard to wall luck to the metagame. the most we'll possibly see is a jirachi suspect after spl but i wouldn't be surprised if theres not one. i dont see a way banning machamp would hurt the metagame.

[@sneedis9909]

@@CharaTF2 if you think gen 5 is a gen with problems behind every corner why not just play a different gen? instead of trying to turn it into something different just play a gen you think doesn't have problems. as for machamp, just because it adds a layer of luck that doesn't mean it doesn't require skill to use. machamp is slow and hard to switch in. even once it gets in it can get walled by commonly used pokemon. to get any more than neutral value out of machamp requires solid team building and execution.