mack with a cummins shifting a 5&4

[@philfrancis6238]

My crowning driver training achievement was to get a 20 year old truck driver who weighed 140 pounds through the CDL road test in a 359 Pete with a 5X4 in it with a 240" wheelbase and a 45' trailer. And he made it on the 1st try. Obviously a highly motivated driver.

[@TheChevycummins]

I use a 1975 Pete with a five and four on my class b test. My CDL instructor lady looked at me and asked if i was seriously going to use this for my test vehicle. When we got done she told me i was the first person she met under age 50 who could drive one.

[@trentwheeler6161]

That is quite impressive I'd say!

[@nonickname9930]

Growing up, I always heard that if a man driving a Mack waved at you, he had three arms.

[@HeavyHead94]

Haha nice :)

[@1965Gindy]

Or really fast. LOL

[@victormottern3680]

Truth be told, you want to talk about you and your life, no offense to the

[@nickberry1272]

I love this comment

[@ragman069]

Brings back memories of me driving a '67 DM-800 with a 237 and a quad box. The whole interior was metal, the only plastic in it was the interior light lens...lol

[@jerrykinnin7941]

Mine was a 1980 DM800 88000 LBS gross and a tandem axle

[@robert11751]

thats a real work truck , no radio just noise

[@calthmlikiseethm704]

Nothing better than vintage Mack!!!

[@mt3311]

My Father taught me how to drive a '52 10 yard International Dump truck when I was 11. It had a 5x4 with a 2 speed. That truck was the first thing I ever drove. The old man would put his arm through the steering wheel and steer with the bend in his arm and shift with his hands. That was 1976 and he had been driving trucks at the time since the 1950's.

[@beausgirllayton]

Oh my god exactly, my father in law in his 79 Kenworth with the long front end god I loved that truck anyway...... same thing right through a busy intersection making a left turn flawlessly. Boom boom boom. I swear he steered with his elbow though. He'd been driving about that long too. Trucks now with a splitter and one ugly stick, govenor blah.

[@ToreDL87]

Even the split&range single shift boxes are getting outphased by automatics nowadays.

[@douglaslambert6109]

So many people wants every thing easyer don't know what old school is just what they tell us then we wander how they did it. Old school rules!!!!! &stays.

[@SteveCarras]

a 40 speed! (altogether 5x4x2)

[@lerg12]

ToreDL87 That is pretty sad. I am 23 now and I got my license to drive trucks last year and I tested on an International 8100 with a 53 foot trailer in the back and it had a 10 speed single shifter air splitter Eaton Fuller. I feel like I am fortunate enough to have learned how to even drive stick on a truck. I’ve driven an automatic truck once and I must say it wasn’t the same feel of driving a traditional stick. It is much more fun in my humble opinion to drive a stick shift truck, better control anyways. Now I drive a 1973 Mack R Model dump truck with an 8LL in it for work from time to time, easiest tranny to shift they say, but still a stick regardless.

[@TheMrAMack]

My Grandfather drove those trucks back in the day. We have one still. I need to learn to drive it.

[@Kimmiesman24]

I am only 30 and been driving 7 years and i fully understand these transmission patterns. Never drove one but if someone asked me to i would go make money lol

[@Wa3ypx]

We had a Mack Aerialscope with a Maxidyne and a 5 speed constant mesh. The turn chief knew I could drive stick and sent me out to that station as a relief driver. I spent a day with the regular driver who I swear could shift without the clutch. Great teacher!

[@FreedomHooter]

Never saw him shift but 3 outta "4" gears. My '68 Mack Thermadyne had a 5&3, turbo 250 HP to-the-ground, pulled hills like-a-bulldog. lol

[@richarddonaldson286]

Good sound ing truck

[@calbern49]

Thanks for the memories! The first diesel truck that I learned to drive was a 1948 INTERNATIONAL KB-12 three-axle tractor with a 220 Cummings and 5&4 gearboxes..

[@MichaelRHull-wy7wg]

Great video! I learned on a 55 IH tandem dump. 450 gas-6, and a lot of Chevys and GMC’s with the same setup

[@williamsimmons152]

Learned on a IH dump with this set up. Once ya get it....ya got it!

[@jeffreyponting9524]

My dad knew a lady that was 5'6" 120 lbs had blonde hair and blue eyes. She owned a 359 Pete with a 425 Cat and a 5x4 transmissions. She could drive that truck like it had an automatic transmission. She had a Benson flatbed and hauled steel mostly coils. She said she used ratchet binders because she was to little to close a snap binder. She went by Iron Butterfly, and she would be 72 or 73 these days.

[@haameisanaei6481]

@@jeffreyponting9524, God bless her and your dad !

[@TwinStickFilms]

Yep. This is a 220 with a T590 smoke turbo which makes it a 262. The boost gauge reading 10 psi of boost is normal on the 262s. They used what they call "smoke turbos" because all they were good for is cutting down smoke and lowering EGT's by a little, not much. Dad drove a dump truck that had a 262 in it and he said our 65 freightliner which had the 250 cummins in it had more power than the 262 did. Although the pump has been turned up on ours.

[@1965Gindy]

"You know you're in first or second" Buddy he seems like he knew what he was doing. LOL

[@chevyapache1959]

I know , it would been better if I wouldn't have said anything, but we were just talking about how the gears are so low you never really use 1st in the main . So I was just micro managing lol

[@1965Gindy]

@@chevyapache1959 nah it's fine I was just kidding

[@teenagesociety]

oh how i miss those old over sized steering wheels. I wish trucks still had wheels like that

[@1965Gindy]

Me too. Before power steering

[@jd450lh]

Good job shifting, but I remember when my father would go from 3rd over to 4th under using just one hand and it seemed to go a lot smoother, but to each his own...whatever works, LOL! Loved the video, 5*s! Have a blessed week, Jeff

[@canadiantimberwolf1]

Well that will seperate the men from the boys..Mu uncle drove cement trucks for Dufferen Concrete in Toronto.He used to tell me about putting his arm through the wheel to shift.Interesting when I saw you do it.I've done the 5x2 on a 79 Mack R Rodel and never the 5x4.I'm afraid I'll admit to being lost for a bit,but like anything with time experience will prevail.Great shooting and shifting.

[@marxmann3564]

Thats what you call a real driving handling those shifters precisely

[@99iwaena]

You're so right! The young bulls (the name I refer them too!), that drives for the company I supervised! When there's a mention of an auxiliary transmission!, automatically, they would say, WHAT'S THAT, SOMETHING NEW? With a little laughter, I end up, explaining to the young bullls, that's how the "older bulls" used to do!

[@philip21786]

I love the way the old Mack trucks shift.

[@drpepper350]

I love those old 18 speed TRQ 720 Mack Quadra-Plex Transmissions. I hope to have an old truck with one of those in it someday!

[@DWLip]

Yeah, they were something else. Sad the bearing on the output was it's weak spot. Lots of guys would tear those things apart when they'd swap the Thermodynes out for Maxidynes. The old quad boxes were the best set of cogs on the road for years.

[@26TptCoy]

I used to drive a 1967 twin stick Diamond T, 5X4 Clark boxes behind a 4 cyl UD. Lacking power you had to be good on the sticks. I would just let go of the wheel and both hands on different sticks would have the truck singing that's for sure, one going up the other down splitting the gears. The accelerator pedal was between the clutch and brake pedals, something else to mindfull of. I graduated to an N series Volvo which had an 8 speed with a splitter, was much the same principle as the diamond. split changing up but never split changing down (full gear change only). Lots of fun.

[@90849085]

big props to to truckers from way back!! you'd need alot more knowhow to drive a 5&4 than my 8LL, fore sure!!!! the ol' girl's pretty shiny inside too, sweet rig!!

[@gaelen123]

It sounds like a harmonious symphony, Great truck!!!

[@haroldtunich8809]

I drove a Diamond Reo cement truck with this setup, first truck I ever drove I was 24. That was fun.

[@chris1422]

@SlackTastic . It's a 262 Cummins. It needs to stay between 1700 and 2100 rpm. If you run them below 1700 you will pound the liners and rod bearings out of it and over 2100 is revving it higher than it's designed for. Thats why they had so many gears. To have enough gears to allow the driver to keep it between 17 and 21. The new diesels can run down to 1100 rpm or so all the way up to 2100 with the right programming.

[@briansignorelli7090]

This guy knows what he's talking about

[@doltoy]

@mjcygnus Unlike most other American truck manufacturers, Mack built their own transmissions (not to mention engines and rear ends). "Quadraplex" was their term for their 5x4, and "Triplex" was for the 5x3..."Duplex" was for the 5x2.

[@StealthyLikeDaNinja]

Your truck is freeking awesome! Love it.

[@beaverdam3252]

I'm gonna post video of my B773LS soon 335 cummins glad to see your truck working

[@garykirkland927]

I drove a lot of these.

[@countryboy262i6]

Looks like a fun rig to drive. I have not experienced the twin sticks myself yet. Hope to one day! I daily drive a '03 International Dump Truck with a International HT530 engine.

[@donaldswink6259]

It must of been tough when you started out as a truck driver with no experience get into a Mack truck with twin sticks and tried to figure out the shift pattern.

[@chevyapache1959]

Yes mack was very confusing for drivers.. mostly cause there brownie were closest to the driver... why all others were on the passenger side.. took some time to get use too i am sure

[@MrBollox79]

I always wondered as a kid why the trucks my Dad drove had such big steering wheels... Now I know haha! Great vid!

[@INTERNATIONAL_RDF-D]

MrBollox79 no power steering...the bigger wheel gave the driver more leverage to steer....

[@jimhayden5798]

It was called center point steering. My B 75 had it. As good as power steering IF you were moving. Standing still,you couldn't move that wheel if they paid you...

[@smckinney3mckinney141]

@@jimhayden5798 That's why they called it "arm Strong Steering"😆

[@chuckguyitt4017]

In 1970 I graduated from high school and that fall I worked for Charron Transport In Chatham On. during the tomato season. I drove 1945 to 1949 White mustangs most had cummins 220 and 250 engines, but one snub nose mustang had a 5 by 4 transmission and I thought I was pulling the world.

[@rk-ec7kx]

I'd like to see more of this truck

[@Vintagesled4ever]

I love vintage truck !! I drove a 315 mack with 5--2 speed trans, long time ago..and 12 speed mack trans with 500 hp(constructor) in mining site !! nice shift !!

[@MrLannyross]

most drivers nowadays would be lost if they had to drive a truck with two sticks.i started out driving a B61MACK with two sticks, i never will forget reaching through the steering wheel to shift.

[@bookeruzzell6213]

One thing about those twins sticks, you don't have to worry about is getting your truck stolen!If your truck IS missing, all you got do is wait a few minutes!Some old geezer got it!He's out getting his cookies off!That'll charge his batteries for about 10,15yrs!

[@victormottern3680]

The worst thing in life is, loosing air, as a road friend.

[@59Mack]

@BIG379 Completely wrong information. The prefix tells the number of compound gears, ie: "Du"plex is 5x2, "Tri" plex is 5x3, "Quad"raplex is 5x4. Only two sticks are used no matter what. Yes, there is times that another aux box is installed giving you additional gears, but has nothing to do with the Mack transmission.

[@O7ROADKING]

sweet this brings back some good memory's not to many drivers left that can drive a Quard box back when i was a kid i was driving the old round nose B61 then when they got the square nose B81 spent about a year driving it. it had a top speed of around 50. but put it in lowlow on the aux and 1st on the main you could get out and take a leak and the truck would only be halfway by you you could walk 2-3 times faster than it you could pull a building with it.and as i recall they were hot in summer

[@mariomartinez2633]

Tenía mucho tiempo que no veía un tacometro empotrado al tablero, esta muy bonito este camión, felicidades

[@TheBlackhorse1954]

Between 1977 and 1980 I use to drive a 25 ton P&H Crane in Germany with a 5X4. Spent the best part of driving that thing shifting especially in those small towns.

[@chuckg2016]

Blackhorse, during the 80's I operated & drove a P&H 690 with the 5x4 ....... In Colorado along the Front Range between Denver and Colo. Springs, 70W toward George Town, and between C. Springs and Aspen. Yeah, a lot of "oh craps" and arms never being still. Loved the old beast with 4 speed gear box for the drums & Magnitorque swing.

[@mackdetroit4life]

You definetly have your hands full with this setup! Nice job!....But i'm suprised by seeing a "farr" air cleaner on a truck this old, and on a cummins to boot! I only saw these being used on detroit powered trucks. And there performance was quite suprising!

[@Notthisguyeither]

Brockway used Farr air intake boxes on their Husky models in the 70s

[@chevyapache1959]

@LeandroMuntendam yep thats exactly how it works and the brownie stick is the one on the right and in this trans the frist gear is so low you dont use it if notice he only shift that three time a shift not four , thanks for watching and commenting

[@frankpaya690]

Now that's a real truck driver: that can reach through the steering wheel and shift both sticks at the same time.

[@umpchief14]

Who else remembers the tachograph and the Cat handle on the auxilliary stick? Elements of a by-gone era in trucking!

[@barmtrail]

WOW!!!!! What in the world is that? Learning a super 10 to me was terrible, But in God's name, what is that? Love the tuck, it is a beauty. Did alot of driver's back in the day have hearing problems? The driver's today are flat out spoiled, if those were the trucks men used to drive to get the food to the market. THAT IS INSANE!!!!!!.....lol

[@SteveCarras]

WIsh I could whistle while wirting.. Oh, well. [WHistle from relief]. That's a big girl there. A truly golden time for those trucks.

[@chevyapache1959]

its the tach o graph model and it still works we got to get the paper for it to see if it still writes or not but the tach works fine thanks for the comment and have a merry cristmas

[@MrTex1954]

What a pain in the arse these old shifters were, clutch and clutch-brake adjustments twice a year, can't change seats easy, noisy as well! I drive a 12-speed auto-shifter now and it goes up and down perfectly, gets better mileage and tons less maintenance than full manual shifters not to mention added floor space. Those who prefer manuals are on a macho trip sometimes, and many can't shift their trucks worth beans...especially can't down shift worth beans without grinding metal all over the place. I retire in one year and am glad of advanced tech making my job easier.

[@iarasilvaoliveira9357]

Nossa que vontade que deu de pilotar essa carreta olha que lindo por dentro tudo verde olha.as marchas como se troca é muito linda carreta.. Deus maravilhoso deu sabedoria.para o homem fazer . essas máquinas maravilhosas quem gosta.de caminhão me entende tem diesel tem pneu ipnotisa facina nos deixa apaixonados.. Deus abençoe abençoe.

[@chevyapache1959]

@drchristian06, very good question in roughly 1960 or so the maxydine kicked a rod , and being this is a west coast truck the only place u could get a mack motor back then was from mack in Allentown pa , and shipping alone cost just about half what a new 220 cummins did , and being it was in seattle they had one too stick in it we got the line sheet from watts mack of allentown showing all thats been done to it over the years, thanks for the comment ,, have a good weekend

[@Broken_Skull.]

Art form!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@MrConstant1]

Watching this brings back memories. The Mack's always had the auxiliary closer to and the main away from you. Kw and Pete was the other way around and if you had the

[@BCSchmerker]

Looks plenty smooth shifting here. Mack used an auxiliary-forward configuration on the twin-stick compounds, allowing the use of all aux gears for at least four main forward gears (all five on the -77 single-countershaft models), plus reverse.

[@6766441]

that was good i hear storys from my grand pa tell me storys about his 56 kenworth at the farm when it ran and that it was lowd in the cab all day hauling wheat to the grain elevator

[@chevyapache1959]

Five is on the right and the four is on the left macks are allways backwards, in any outher two stick truck the brownie is on the right except Mack there's is on the left ,, thanks for all the comments =)

[@jamesglavich1426]

Duplex has the main on the left and compound on the right. Triplex and Quad was like this 5X4.

[@chevyapache1959]

@@jamesglavich1426 news to me i thought all macks were backwards lol

[@alanhubbard1868]

What is the Box with the cable drive going to it? Thank You.

[@chevyapache1959]

That is a sanganmo speedograph . it was a old school log book that logged your speed. Its the only speedometer in the truck.. on the dash it only has a tachometer.. they also made this in a tachograph as well..

[@chevyapache1959]

m.ebay.ie/itm/Vintage-Auto-Tachograph-Tachometer-Speedometer-Model-BB-Wagner-Sangamo-Clock/193807285937?hash=item2d1fd07eb1:g:CSIAAOSwaFRf2n5p

[@alanhubbard1868]

@@chevyapache1959 Thank You, I'd seen them before but didn't know the purpose.

[@chevyapache1959]

@@alanhubbard1868 your welcome. They had a little cookie like paper wheel that goes in them, behind a lock and key. that it used to log there speed on the paper sheet and the company you drove for would come out and check too see if you were speeding During the trip. Not sure how they did it but many times.. its been reference that stretching the rubber band real tight.. they use to tie up the needle with a rubber band and a toothpick. Hence the statement and it would only log a specific speed rather then what they were actually doing

[@alanhubbard1868]

@@chevyapache1959 I suspected it was a round paper chart recorder that would tattle on you if you were speeding. We had Temp. & Humidity recorders in our highbays to document we that maintained 65 +/- 10 degrees & between 60 to 40% humidity in our test highbays. If we violated the spec, we got in trouble with the Quality guys. Thanks again.

[@MrJbird1256]

You almost have it right also, its a mack tri-plex transmission. 5 speed main and a 3 speed auxiliary. 1 transmission

[@tommywilliams2104]

The auxiliary is bolted to the back of the 5 speed box

[@truckersimtruckin1407]

It is a 5x4 because you only use lo-lo on bad terrain or pulling a heavy load up a steep hill. In normal operation you shift it like a 5x3

[@pete359ext]

Holy shit thats BA I wouldnt have the corodination to figgure out wht at gear i was in for teh first few trips. Nice Vid Thanks for posting.

[@1940limited]

He's got an extension on the range stick to make shifting a little easier. Later model twin sticks had the range stick closests to the driver.

[@frazzledgrey]

Nice Shifting!!

[@chevyapache1959]

yes it has a tachograph . and then the speedometer is in the dash

[@thomaskuzyk9802]

This driver is shifting through the steering wheel. Bob Reimer mentioned this in The B Model Mack Song by THE COUNTRY TIGERS.

[@BillKilgore1]

Drove a Peterbilt conventional with an 8V92TT Detriot Diesel and a 13-speed Roadranger transmission back in the mid to late 1980s after I gotten divorced and couldn't figure out anything else to do for a living...hardest and most physically work I've ever done. Anyone who has not driven a tractor-trailer rig should avail themselves of the opportunity to do so before complaining about truck drivers and how slow they are. Try driving a beast13-1/2 feet high and 75 feet long & weighs 80,000 pounds.

[@nhbowhunter90]

I practice in the same truck and its no fun! lol great video by the way..

[@marxxmann8758]

I bet nobody will ever try to steal this because of how complicated the shifting will be

[@PatrickBaptist]

No joke.

[@bootleg12576]

nice jab man.... keep on trucking

[@gast128]

Not sure if the person in charge of the ergonomics of this truck can be proud.

[@chevyapache1959]

hay your welcome , i am glad u got them all right ,

[@LeandroMuntendam]

@nem427 so actually what u r sayin is that it has 5 speeds, with each speed having its own 4 speeds. the brownie stick, or whatever its name is, breaks up each speed by 4. hence the name 5 x 4. is this correct?

[@59Mack]

In a Quad you don't use Lo-lo except to start out really slow. It's not used on the splits so you basically drive it like a 5x3. It's not a double over Quad, as by the way he split 4th and 5th. BTW, love the truck. Sounds awesome, looks great.

[@briansignorelli7090]

Also I think the quadriplex had a short fifth

[@chevyapache1959]

@cubkid411 -- it don't have enought power to pull a 6-700 rpm split , maybe bobtailing but not with a refer behind her lol =-) .

[@MrStonemike]

@MrStonemike -- I rode many days with my Dad in trucks that didn't even have helical gears, they were mostly 4 and 5 speeds and you could break an arm! The roadrangers are easier to shift, mainly because you shift every 250 to 350 rpm! 8speeds, 10speeds, 15 speeds, 18 speeds, they are all good, just keep the air system clean! 5 speed maxidynes are easier and shift about every 900 rpm, they're good for flat land like here in the Texas panhandle!

[@joequillun7790]

HI Dan :)

[@dixietrukr]

cool vid.wish my dog was a twin stick. or even a b model.maybe then i could keep it on the road and out the shop lol. anyway im big on skateboards cause thats what i do,but the chicken truck setup looks really cool.how long is the frame on that thing. it looks as long as the wagon.lol anyway keep up the good vids and good job with the shiftin

[@chevyapache1959]

@gatormainia123 om it the second transmission in the truck there a five speed . Then the brownie is a four speed don't ask why they call it a brownie I am not sure but hopefully this helps ..... thanks again for all your comment and views summers coming and hopefully get some more videos :)

[@chevyapache1959]

yes that is a quadbox witch i think it mean that the brownie is a four speed he shift it like a three speed thou becaused deep under can"t be used on the road same as low low in a 18 speed also it has 5 speed main witch thats the one with the pistol grip on thats the main

[@glk001]

Also that should be mentioned, is that these trucks were not turbo...To place a turbo on these older engines, you would have to lower their compression ratio...They just didn't have the available horsepower...Even have the old clock mounted to the dash, hated those things...Never got the hang of the triplex or quadroplex transmissions, so my hats off to the driver

[@rubenramos1000]

Aun estando muy bien sincronizada es problema ponerle los cambios? Para mi es Super fuerte esta trasmisión pero muy incómoda para manejar en caminos de montañas con vehículos en la via por tener que soltar El guía

[@kerdawg77]

@chevyapache1959 its called a brownie because brown made the read box baker made the front box and then later it baker bought brown and it becaume a baker 5-4

[@joshtaylor4249]

Now that's a truck!

[@elesdos]

@chevyapache1959 I believe the word "Brownie" is derived from an auxiliary box produced by Brown Lipe. I'm not sure if Brown Lipe is an independent company or a subsidary of another company. The term "Brownie" has just become a generalization for an auxiliary box.

[@54autocar]

I like that Wagner-Sangamo Speed-O-Graph (or Tach-O-Graph) on the dashboard...to make his rig complete!

[@chevyapache1959]

It's a tachometer, version

[@ahnbra]

Are 2 or more sticks systems around in any new or late modle big rigs today in the USA? With some or most school buses and fire rigs having automatics in them today how has that changed an actual manual big rig?

[@MegaZsolti]

the 262 sure sounds great with the quadbox :D

[@oroles1]

super skill... you`re the man!

[@Blue10AEMia]

Hell I wish my derrick truck had an aux trans in it. 5.67 gears in the high range and a 5 speed direct means screaming down the road at 50 MPH.

[@1971BGT]

Love that interior color! They just dont make shit like that anymore

[@1965Gindy]

Yeah now it's all grey and black foam junk.

[@BCSchmerker]

I presume that the gearbox your truck is a TRQ-72/720/72x0 class heavy-duty 5x4? This series has, if memory serve me correctly, a shallower drop from 4th to 5th in the Main section, compared to its medium-duty counterpart the TRQ-77/770.

[@chevyapache1959]

not sure depend on if you have two sticks or not,or maybe you have lik a 18speed and with it one stick and one trans but it has tow ranges hi&low this one here is two separate transmissions there a 5speed that mounts to the flywheel and there a drive line and then there is what they call a brownie that bolts to mid frame and its a 4speed,but that in most trucks ,but this one has what they a compounded transmission where the 5&4 are bolted to gather mack was the only one to do this i think :)

[@SteveCarras]

chevyapache1959, love that name...one of the best pickup truck AND SCHOOL BUS makes...interestingly, one of the hottest movie franchises, "Twilight", has spotlighted the "Apache" like Chevrolet trucks (notice that I didn't note Apache,etc. as that now-famous red pickup in those Twilight flicks was just plain Chevrolet but it's got the same name and look..

[@harveyhandbanana]

@hububub46 and yet because of a vehicle like this you owe your entire existence? and you thank it like this? you sir will be winning a darwin award soon.

[@KellanMeigh]

@chevyapache1959 Brownie is short for Brown Lipe. They were a common aux transmission in early rigs until the RoadRanger type transmissions came along. I cut my teeth on an old '50's narrow nose Pete 3-axle straight truck. I think it was a 220 Cummins fitted with a Schwitzer supercharger. My uncle used to say, "Find 'em, don't grind 'em", then yell at me when I would prang a gear during a split-shift.

[@ivorton23]

man that looks fun but complicated...i want to try driving one of those...im trying for my cdl in a couple weeks.