Mackie DLZ Creator XS vs. Rodecaster Duo: Which Podcast Mixer Should You Choose?

[@curtisjudd]

I'm with you, I prefer the DLZ. I just find it easier to get the sound dialed in with the DLZ.

[@mackietv]

Thank you for checking out the DLZ Creator XS, Tom. We are glad you are enjoying it! 💚💚💚

[@tombuck]

The XS is XS-ively awesome.

[@annebokma4637]

I assume a connected usb storage can be reached from a pc connected via USB or Ethernet? Or the micro SD card for that matter. I don't care if it is a micro SD if I never have to remove it 😊 Looking to get a big DLZ for myself and the same or this one for my son. Want to set up a VPN to use NDI and share sound.

[@ThisIsLeeBird]

I’m waiting for you or rode to have the ability to jam sync Timecode and I’m buying it. That’s all you have to do to out do the other.

[@Stew_Pid]

Need an ability to mount both sizes to a heavy duty arm.

[@DKTD23]

I do wish that Mackie hadn't gotten bought up, let's hope that the DLZ line doesn't get cheapened out with components and good headphone amps, all of those things still matter aplenty.

[@normchristopherson5799]

Tom, I am not in the market for a mixer as I already own two Rodecasters. However, it is always a pleasure to see you review audio products as you do. Your unbiased, clear and easy to follow reviews are always so well done. We all learn something from you with each of your videos.

[@tombuck]

Thank you Norm! I really appreciate that. I think I've definitely got my biases, but I try to at least make them known 😁

[@4sightfilmsLLC]

Tom, your educational style, temperament, and overall technical comprehension is a wonderful combination. I love your honesty and your use of plain language to communicate complex ideas and advanced equipment. Thank you for making these videos. 🔥🔥🔥

[@tombuck]

Thank you! That means a lot to hear!

[@4sightfilmsLLC]

@@tombuck There is an art to creating and an art to educating. And I respect both. Some people think being good at something, means they can also communicate effectively how to achieve the same outcomes. And its not true. When I found your channel, I was like this guy just gets it. We can feel you love for the tools, and what they create. Keep doing your thing. Much respect!

[@rafdam]

Totally agree. I love your video style @tombuck ! Very informative and super fun. This coming from a sound engineer, music producer and artist 😊

[@IrisXie-x9s]

@@tombuck Would like to reach out with you and check the possibility of exploring more similar exciting opportunity with you together.

[@khoonchaii-businessonlines5467]

I had food poisoning and high fever last night (Bangkok Time) when I saw this video was released. It took me 3 efforts to finish the whole video because I was and I am still so tired. But I'm glad that I did watch the whole video finally. It's worth watching and worth waiting for. Thank you so much Tom. For Rode bought Mackie, that is a good reason enough for me to go for Rode Duo. This take over could be good or bad. No body knows for sure. But I just don't want to take a risk buying Mackie DLZ XS today and realize they won't try to develop it anymore after three years. Thank you Tom!

[@tombuck]

Glad the video was helpful and I hope you're starting to feel better!

[@GuilDormeus]

I love how you just went over everything we need to know, a Breathe of fresh air. Great video! I really love the dial and that massive screen on the DLZ

[@tombuck]

The interface is pretty great! I cut it for time, but there's also a "tour" function that walks you through everything on screen and explains it all in clear language.

[@BadgesForTheCross]

I've spent a lot of time with the Allen & Heath SQ5 at church. Now that I'm starting my own channel, I really appreciate your in depth clarity on these. I'm really leaning towards the Mackie due to a little more diversity it seems to have.

[@tombuck]

You really can't go wrong either way! The Mackie is absolutely terrific.

[@Mondrubberduck]

I am a dual PC Streamer, so the double USB Output of the Rodcaster Duo Pro 2 is AMAZING! Any other AudioInterfaces that have this feature?

[@WhyitJellyDonut]

Beacn studio does

[@BryanVehonsky]

It is obviously a niche use case, but the Rode having the dual-USB interface ports to enable dual PC setups is something I wish the Mackie also had. As someone who used to run a work laptop and personal desktop at the same time, having a device like the Rode that can unify mic input to a single device without a hardware switcher is very appealing.

[@CorazuYT]

This is exactly the use case I'm even considering one of these for. Same with single speakers and headphones for both machines

[@BryanVehonsky]

@@CorazuYT The only issue I was unable to solve for even in my hardware switcher setup was the camera. Any of the higher end USB cameras need USB 3.0 and at least the Elgato Facecam did NOT like going thru a hub. Since I just kept the laptop closed all the time I setup my OG Razer Kiyo. Looked a little silly but got the job done.

[@CorazuYT]

​@@BryanVehonskythat's alright I don't mind having separate cameras, at the moment I don't even really use one on my personal PC anyways.

[@ChroniclesofGhoul]

You can use NDI for 2 PC setups

[@tombuck]

This is a great point, and as others have pointed out you can support dual computers via NDI- I should've been more clear about that.

[@markexploringnewstuff]

Thanks Tom for all your efforts going thru these two products - took a lot of work and was appreciated

[@tombuck]

Thank you Mark! This was a bit of a beast of a video since both devices have so many options. I eventually decided not to try and cover everything, but rather just contextualize them with each other.

[@DerekFrampton]

Just as in the name: one's for creating, the other for podcasting. (NOT the same thing) Mackie makes live/studio sound gear, where Rode makes... well streaming stuff. I mean thanks for the video/dive etc. But it's quite a no-brainer IMO. SUBBED! Cheers!

[@NateorNathaniel]

Tom I just want to say thank you! Because of all your videos and hard work I have spent $17K this month! Thank you so much, I didn’t realize how good ramen taste without the supplemental ingredients

[@tombuck]

Surprisingly enough, a little bit of peanut butter can really turn ramen up a notch! Not that I've ever overspent on A/V gear myself or anything...😉

[@NateorNathaniel]

@@tombuck damn at least you could still afford peanut butter....

[@rosscoffeegames]

100% echo that awful power button on the Rodecaster Pro 2 lol. Another great video Tom. It really is amazing that these devices are available now when just a few years ago this was the realm of professional recording studios only.

[@tombuck]

Very true! It used to be such a pain to try and figure out how to do this stuff and now there are multiple awesome options.

[@levelupwithmikenewman]

I love it! I use Mackie boards and the Mackie Master Fader app for wireless access via an iphone or ipad for our main church service. I also love how you can access the 4 band equalizer to really dial in mics that need minute changes like the Earthworks SR117 and Ethos. Great video - as always Tom!

[@tombuck]

I'm very jealous of your SR117. 😁

[@levelupwithmikenewman]

@@tombuck I would not be upset if they charged $600 for that mic. Thats how good they made it

[@AudioHotline]

Great breakdown dude! I completely agree. The lack of a physical record button on the Duo is a big bummer, and I do love the idea of a locking power connector + a power button that isn't easily pressed and confirms whether you want to turn it off or not. I think the DLZ XS looks really awesome. I love my GIGANTIC DLZ Creator so I assume I would love this too... probably even more!

[@AudioHotline]

I forgot to mention, I also have that popping issue in my headphones with the Røde.

[@tombuck]

REALLY?! So I'm not crazy then?

[@tombuck]

It's super similar to how I/we felt about the Duo: I don't know why the compact size makes it fun to use, but it just does 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Uurnamu]

From 7:47 - 8:46 when you demoed both devices with full processing, the RodeCaster Duo sounded WAY better than the DLZ XS. It just sounded absolutely immaculate whereas the DLZ was pretty good yes but no where near as impressively polished as the Duo. Would you agree? I am having a tough time deciding which to purchase for voiceovers since on paper the dlz is better but in this demo it could not compete with the vocals coming out of the duo.

[@tombuck]

I think they're both pretty even to be honest. The Duo is more user friendly and probably easier to dial in a solid sound more quickly, but the Mackie is fully capable as well. I know that doesn't answer the question, but you genuinely can't go wrong, especially if you don't mind experimenting with settings until you get the sound you like. If I HAD to pick one, I would lean a bit more towards the Rode.

[@JasonNicholson-y1o]

@@tombuck and this kinda brings up something that I’ve noticed on KZbin. People think because you’ve been given something for free that you’ll automatically make a glowing review or recommend it. It’s the opposite. It’s hard for me to know why you slightly prefer the Rodecaster when I know you spent hard earned money on it. This is a very real psychological phenomenon…if you spent $500 on the Rode and were given its competitor for free, you’re instinctively going to prefer the one you paid for. That said, I believe you Tom, you’re great. I just dislike when other channels state that something is free that they’re comparing to something they bought themselves, as if there’s no bias toward something you purchased. All we have to do is look at camera brand discussions to see the bias…we usually defend and recommend things we paid for.

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

GREAT comparison. Cant wait to try both from a musicians POV instead of podcasting.

[@tombuck]

Yeah, that's the tricky part. I guess it depends on what you're recording, but neither is super geared towards musicians. That's definitely where the Boss Gigcaster takes the cake...but then it's a little lackluster when it comes to the podcasting side of things.

[@Ori-Retro-Gamer]

I have the Rodecaster pro 2 and the fact that i can connect usb 1, usb 2 and usb chat separately is still the game changer that puts the Rode ahead, the mackie is still good though, nice review 🙂

[@Jovanmusictime]

Hi Tom, we share the same sentiment especially when it comes to the 'concerns about Mackie & Rode's relationship'. XS is certainly a very promising device and I'm sure the existing users/owners are happy with it. Regardless the future of the DLZ line, let's continue to have lots of fun making music or content. Thanks for the video and reading.

[@MrCloud254]

It’s funny because Mackie and Rode joined together since they operate in such similar spaces. Gonna be interesting to see what they make now that they work together!

[@Jeff_369]

Very well done Tom, as usual! I love my DLZ. It's awesome! However, the playback situation is just awful. All and all it is great. I did just purchase a RCP2 for work. It is also outstanding. The power button is a disaster. I love the DLZ power button. The RCP2 headphone amps have been a complete nightmare for my use case at work. So much so I just returned the first copy of the RCP2 we purchased and the second copy is even worse. I use it in a mobile command center for the sheriff's office I work at and the wire runs for the headphones are pretty long. That might be a factor. We use this setup for our hostage negotiation team and it works amazing if it's working. Tom I really enjoy your channel and your content. Keep up the good work and thank you!

[@tombuck]

Wow! I wonder if yours is the only RCP being used for hostage negotiations? That’s wild!

[@Vendetta725]

Thanks, Tom. Because of you, I'm buying the Mackie DLZ Creator XS. Although I own the first Rodecaster 1, I am sold with everything you pointed at. I thought I'd go for the Duo until I came across your review comparison. I trust your judgement call. Thanks again. Cheers from your fan here in the Philippines.

[@tombuck]

I hope you enjoy it! You really can't go wrong with either option, but the DLZ does have some really cool new functionality. There is a bit more of a learning curve than the RC, but like I say in the video, fortunately their online user guide is outstanding.

[@nicktayloriv310]

Came for Tom's one-liners but left with Intel on Mackie's unit. Another piece to add to the reference bag that only Rode and Tascam was in. And selling for the same amount of coin is also a good thing. Great breakdown Tom.

[@tombuck]

I’m really glad they matched the price instead of going more expensive like the bigger DLZ.

[@johnheiser2604]

Wow. Worthy of a look. Faders, yep I prefer but I grew up with pots and am comfortable with both. I think some people might be put put off by pots thinking they are older and cheaper technology. Not necessarily so. Thanks Tom, a great video. I have a RodeCaster and RodeCaster Pro II but feel there may be a Mackie on the Christmas wish list.

[@tombuck]

It's a fun one for sure! They've done an incredible job with the interface.

[@ykhemani]

Hi Tom! I'm back here looking at the Mackie DLZ (the original and the XS) but trying to overcome analysis paralisis. We're using the RCPII where we were using the RCP because the latter was just too noisy. I had a MOTU M6 that I thought I'd use in place of the RCPII, but it's produces some weird crackling when I connect it through my Thunderbolt dock. I also get a pop when I turn off the MOTU (issues that didn't happen with the RCPII or RCP). What has me looking at the Mackie DLZ is NDI. What makes me nervous about using Mackie mixers is that I've seen more than one fail (the last one was a Mackie ONYX 1640, which literally started to emit smoke during a live event. Other failures were less dramatic (failed mic preamp on one, failed phantom power on another mixer). The other thing that makes me nervous is, as you mentioned, how RODE will approach the DLZ line. The other option is to get another RCPII or RCP Duo...

[@Slipsch]

Now that Rode has acquired Mackie, I want a combination of both and also have the HDMI Capture card features.

[@DreamingOfReality]

look up the mainstream by mackie

[@Slipsch]

@@DreamingOfReality I saw that but I want something more like the DLZ Creator and Rodecaster 2 instead of Rode Streamer X.

[@DreamingOfReality]

same tbh lol hopefully the roadcaster 3.. i would love a proper line out to plug into camera too without having to run it into a art clean box first@@Slipsch

[@blakepace]

Thanks, Tom. I thought I was the only person concerned about the RODE / Mackie merger. One never knows, do one?

[@tombuck]

I guess only time will tell what happens? 😬

[@jonathanramsey]

16:09 I use my RCP2 for live audio and MIDI light/video control. That USB-C power connector does come out from moving stuff around behind the unit. I have everything Velcro’d down pretty well, now, so the power blocks for the RCP2 and my two wireless receivers don’t usually knock it out, but of anything comes loose, or I change my USB-MIDI connector and bump it… yeah 😊😅

[@tombuck]

It's definitely happened to me on more than one occasion 🫠

[@Thezapatabrandpodcast]

Tom u do the best comparisons. No bias!

[@tombuck]

Thank you!!

[@Tennis3Fan]

Great review, per usual, Tom. Thanks so much for sharing your take on the XS. A question for you - can you assign applications on your PC to the 3 non-mic/line level fader knobs? For example, Spotify on one, Discord on one, and a video game on another.

[@AljonGo]

Love the reviews. As a former radio guy and musician I love faders. These mixers have come a long way from the original Rodecaster. Keep up the great work Tom! 👏👏👏👏🙌

[@tombuck]

I've always wanted a board with motorized faders 🤤

[@partridgemike]

I still have Roland's Vs2480 mixer/recorder. This behemoth 24 Track launched in 2001 (the size of a FOH mixer) actually has motorized faders and automix.

[@AljonGo]

@@tombuck When I was working in FM radio back in the day, our very first Pro Tools setup was a small motorized mixing console. Very cool automation from back in the day.

[@ElijahPark]

keep crushing dont stop posting awesome videos like this one. been hugely influenced by you in my own purchases. thanks always

[@tombuck]

Glad the videos have been helpful!

[@shawnebrown]

I really like the dials with a fader visual. What a space saver . I think the control is better too.

[@tombuck]

I'm surprised by how much I like them. Was definitely skeptical at first.

[@JakeCuley]

On the Rode/Mackie relationship - its worth mentioning that it is not uncommon for one company to own multiple brands within the music industry. For example, Fender owns Jackson and Gretsch guitars. Each has their own target audience so maybe a bit different, but I wouldn't be surprised if Mackie continues to operate as its own entity and there is still competition between product lines. I also wouldn't be surprised if they converged similar products into one product that has (hopefully) the best elements of each all combined. Or one line becomes more focused on a certain subset of customers. Time will tell. Rode benefits either way.

[@tombuck]

You know, the Fender analogy makes me feel a lot better. All of those brands have definitely been allowed to have their own identities and "compete" with each other.

[@DJSwitchPDX]

@jakeculey @tombuck I came here to say something similar, and I completely agree with the Fender analogy. I come from the music industry and while I woudn't always celebrate a buyout/merger like this, both Rode and Mackie are invested in a much broader set of industries than just the online creators (a relatively new industry by comparison to, say, live sound, recording industry, radio/tv production, etc.). I can't speak for everyone, but almost all of my Rode products are for studio/creator use, and almost all of my Mackie products are for DJ/live music use, so when you zoom out and look at the role both companies play in the larger audio market, there are a LOT of competitors and plenty of opportunity from these two brands coming together to do some cool and creative new things. Rode sound and innovation + Mackie reliability = Audio Unicorn (hopefully)

[@IamShopping]

Agree. There is no reason for Rode to kill competing products of Mackie since Rode owns both. Technically it's not even Rode, but Rode's mother company. And for them it's important they got a bigger chunk of the market, and it would be unwise to try to merge or kill competing products they own for different target audiences or tastes - they own both ends of the segment: there are Rode fans and there are Mackie fans. Otherwise, it would just create possibility for another competitor to target abandoned slice of the audience. Now, for example, Elgato would need to compete with 2 devices should it release something similar. But if Rode kills DLZ line, Elgato easily would fill this "competitor to Rodecaster" niche. Now this niche is occupied by Mackie for this type of devices. There always will be a competitor to the firs or best product on the market. If you own both of this devices, you are golden.

[@Peter_Carroll]

Great comparison review. I do live streams to online platforms like Streamyard etc and have heard that the Rodecaster has a somewhat quiet output, does the Rodecaster have enough output to give a strong output for streaming. I don’t use OBS or similar.

[@Thezapatabrandpodcast]

Yes it does in my experience. Hope that helps

[@tombuck]

I've never had any issues with Streamyard, Riverside, Ecamm, Zoom, or Teams 👍

[@Peter_Carroll]

@@Thezapatabrandpodcast , thanks.

[@Peter_Carroll]

@@tombuck , thanks for the reply.

[@mynusten]

Do you notice any latency from the XLR mic input to the headphone monitors?

[@tombuck]

I don't, personally. Some people have said they have latency with the Rodecaster, but I haven't noticed any myself. I'm not sure if it changes from unit to unit, or if my hearing just isn't as sensitive. The XS headphone amps do sound a little "clearer" to me, so they may have even less latency (again, I don't think there's any at all).

[@mynusten]

@@tombuck thanks for the quick feedback. On the Rodecaster Duo, I had very noticable delays from when I spoke into the mic to what I then heard my voice in the headphones. Good to know you didn't have any latency with the XS.

[@moreador]

@@mynustenhello yes around 56 ms of latency with the rodecaster pro 2 and duo , let me know if you have the same with the DLZ in case of ..

[@mynusten]

hi there. I bought the Rodecaster Duo and returned it as there was a very disorienting delay on my headphone monitors. I placed my order for the Mackie DLZ Creator XS and hope there is no delay. Will let you know my results and my unit should be delivered by the end of this week

[@moreador]

hey@@mynusten happy to see you again , and thanks to take time for answer , i will wait until your test is down and i wish you luck

[@rainyonrecord]

I might pick one up just to experiment with it, I personally use a Rodecaster pro 2 but the Mackie DLZ looks really nice in terms of how many advanced features it has in its firmware

[@Ozwel]

Hi Tom, did you notice that random "tut" noise from the Rodecaster Duo headphones output on the Rodecaster Pro II? If not it means your Duo is probably faulty as both devices have the same hardware. I've ordered a Duo yesterday, fingers crossed for not having that annoying issue.

[@donjohnson19]

i had a rodecast pro 2 and it went out on me in about a month had tons of problems was thinking about the makie but my only concern is i use a stream desk for my sound effects if there a way to rout the audio from my stream deck into the makie

[@daudet1]

@Tom Buck I appreciate the great reviews. I am a NOOB in this area but the investigation I have done, I am hearing the following a) Rode Customer Supports sux ( really bad), b) latency (maybe Mackie the same?) and c) Rode headphone is noisy when using some cans.

[@tombuck]

Rode’s support is awesome! I’ve used them many times over the years and they’ve always been great (most recently just last week for a simple problem). I’m sure people have had bad experiences, but that’s definitely not the norm. Headphone amps are super quiet and can be set for either high or low sensitivity headphones, so I’m guessing that when people find them noisy, they likely have them on the wrong setting. Latency is a little trickier- I don’t have any issues with it, but I’ve heard others complain. My conclusion is that there’s very slight latency, and some people are more sensitive to it than others.

[@DannyBrownPodcasts]

Always appreciate your videos, mate, and very valid points about the RODE/Mackie deal. Like you, I was really hoping the DLZ would push RODE to up their game with some of the features on the RCP2. Now? Who knows. We can but hope that maybe the RCP range will be improved with the best of the Mackie features, if the DLZ range is to disappear.

[@tombuck]

I'm hopefully that both companies will be able to keep doing their own thing, but I guess only time will tell. The thing that makes me the most nervous is that I've been pretty disappointed with Rode's marketing approach lately as they seem to be geared more towards hype and less towards genuinely solid products. Mackie has always had a good reputation for reliability and I want them to keep that. (I also hope Rode can right their own ship a bit)

[@altkoin]

I trust your reviews they are true and show your technical knowledge, do you connect the camera to Rodecaster or Mackie?

[@T3KDJ]

great review of the mackie xs ,deos this unit have audio ducking ,or deos the automix button take care of this feature ?? what are your thoughts ??

[@ericprice6526]

Hey Tom, you mentioned the irritating buzz you sometimes get on your headphones when using the RCD. I have noticed the same (sounds like cell phone interference) with my RCP2 but interestingly, I only seemed to have that interference pop up when I swapped out my Rode Procaster mic for the Lewitt LCT240 Pro. Could that condenser capsule be the source of interference pickup? And if so, why would it only be heard on the 'phones but not on the computer output (or recording--I checked)? Wierd. Anyway, really informative review, as always!

[@michaelvosbein7524]

Just wanted to add that I expand the inputs by using the RPC2 with a Yamaha MG10XU. I teach drums online so I use 4 XLR mics on the drums, two line inputs from my electronic drums, and two line inputs from my play-along tracks, all into the Yamaha board. On the RCP2 I use an XLR desk mic and a wireless lavalier mic into channels 1 and 2, the output from the Yamaha mixer into channel 3 and 4, as well as my iMac and my iPad into the two USB channels. This all works just fine for my needs. I get a balanced sound with natural drums, electronic drums, tracks, my voice, and my student's feed, all into my wireless buds (XVIVE) while walking around thee studio untethered.

[@christurbiville]

The Rode has slightly smoother "air" at 12k and higher than the Mackie. The Mackie sounds a bit warmer. BTW I'm in a tuned commercial studio designed to mix for TV and Cinema, so tiny things like that jump out in here. Most folks will not every care or hear the difference, but the difference is there.

[@tombuck]

I appreciate the insight!

[@WolfsHaven]

I love the looks and features of the Makie better than the Rode but having a background in music, I prefer sliders of knobs. You get more and faster control of your production. That said for a one person video production that footprint is a desk saver.

[@Charlesfrausto]

Im sorry if you went over this.. ive got this and the duo 2 in my cart im so torn between both ..I come from mainly using goxlr and before that wavelink software . Im wanting to split channels between my mic, game audio , and say a music source (KZbin,Spotify Etc.) i like to play music for my friends in Doscord char and would like to control the volume of each of those sources on here .. is that possible? I see there is only one usb c connected to computer with this device. That doesnt turn into multiple virtual channels does it?

[@TC_Conner]

Nice comparison, if I did podcasts I'd definitely go with the Macki. (Quick question: How did you get the big obtrusive RODE logo off your Rode mic boom arm? I'm struggling trying to find a way to remove it!)

[@tombuck]

I used this vinyl letter remover, some alcohol wipe, and quite a bit of elbow grease: geni.us/letterremover Wear gloves too!

[@ArbaLestos]

Great video! I was leaning towards the Rode, but the Mackie looks like a very compelling option to replace my GoXLR as well. To be honest, most of the time I thought the unprocessed sound on both devices sounded better than the processed sound. The Rode presets sound better than the Mackie, but I guess the Mackie can be configured more accurately manually? I have a few more questions, How is the Mackie when you connect it to a PC to use it as an audio interface? I'm still holding on to my GoXLR purely for it's plethora of virtual in and outputs on PC and the ease of routing these. I want to be able to control the volume of my browser/game/chat/music _separately_ using the faders on the device, and not go into game/browser audio settings. Also I need the ability to route any of those channels to the microphone output in Windows, like the goXLR does, so I can use teams/discord for demonstrations etc. Rode promised quite a while ago they would implement more virtual channels, but at the moment it's still limited to 3 channels on the main usb port and 1 on the secondary usb port. How many virtual devices do you get when you plug the Mackie in a PC?

[@tombuck]

The Mackie is pretty interesting as an interface. Via USB it just shows up as a single source- but with NDI there's a ton more flexibility opened up. So much so, that I'll be honest and say I don't even fully understand it. Harris Heller did a really cool overview when they first added NDI that explains it a bit better: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGqQpKiHr6ufhqssi=pahbsI0UDhMEdNbO

[@ArbaLestos]

You're right, that does look very useful. If I understand it correctly, it sort of makes your interface a network audio-receiver for your all your devices that you can then record/stream to your podcast/stream. Interesting tech!

[@tarlak1]

Hello @tombuck , Mackie's product seems very interesting thanks to NDI. But even reading the documentation I can't see how I could separate my microphone from my computer's audio during a streaming session. I also wanted to thank you for all your very informative videos for me!

[@JoseOnTheAir]

Great comparison, Tom! I'd say the Duo and the XS are in a kinship like iOS and Android. The Duo's approach is try to streamline and simply interacting, whereas the XS can be as intuitive as you'd like it and truly get to tinker the finest details with its interface. Both will get you to your destinations enjoyably, it just depends on what the user values the most with how they interface with their interface. I think myself personally, I'm leaning more towards the RODECaster Duo (unless RODE somehow manages to surprise us with a Solo version this year) just with how it approaches its UI and software.

[@haywirekwek]

Hi there Tom. Are you able to review the Mackie Mainstream? I'm a newbie trying to set up a new Zoom, talking head video recording. Is it any good? Who is it for? Would it be good to hook it up to an external camera (say Sony ZV-E10) and external mic (say Rode USB podmic or Shure MV7+)? Would it replace an Elgato Camlink 4k? Can I hook up an Elgato Stream Deck to it? Will it work with a docking station? Or does it need to be hooked up directly to laptop with external monitor? Sorry for all the questions. 😅 Thanks Tom. 🙏

[@stephansagmiller5460]

Thanks Tom! Awesome release. Which mixer is easier to connect wireless microphones? The Duo has integration with Rode Wireless pro. But maybe there's an easy way to setup a wireless workflow on the DLZ?

[@tombuck]

If you're not using a Rode-specific mic, then they're about the same since you'll just need to connect the receiver to one of the main inputs.

[@rainy2299219]

I kinda mixing agree to power connector, I agree with the security idea, however, I think the main reason for getting a smaller thing is for portable reason which, allows me start recording or streaming anywhere. Therefore, something at least can work with portable powerbank would be nicer. Of course, if they can put a battery in the machine would be even better idea

[@tombuck]

That's true. Rode did release a nifty USB adapter for the original RCP that let you run it off of a power bank. It was pretty nifty! An extra cost, but kind of the best of both worlds.

[@rainy2299219]

@@tombuck I just learned the rode cable is 12vd, it's not able to provide 18v Mackie dlz

[@JohnScottB]

Great video, very helpful. The DLZ XS featuring the additional stereo 1/4" inputs (3/4) plus analog 1/8" input (5/6) is really a differentiator from the RCDuo. I'm using the RCPII with two mics but inputs 3 and 4 are being used for a stereo 1/4" input from my guitar pedalboard. So the Duo can't work in my setup, but this DLZ XS can. NDI solves the second USB device problem (which I also use currently) but the one thing the DLZ line still doesn't do is show up as two devices on the main USB channel like the Rodecaster line. This has allowed a lot of flexibility for me routing-wise for a Mac to have two "discrete" interface i/o available in different software. Think I'll be sticking with the RCPII for now. Also not providing anyway to mount the DLZ XS is a swing and a miss. It's still a big device to have to stay on the desk.

[@bobcat6653]

I already bought the Duo and I'm happy with it. I guess im not too interested to find there is something else that's slightly better. Thanks for the video though.

[@tombuck]

If you've got the Duo, there's definitely no need to think about upgrading (and the Duo does outperform the Mackie in several ways too!)

[@edclevel402]

That dad joke game here is just so strong. Next level!

[@DrummerPunked]

Hi Tom, do you think you could do a comparison between the larger dlz and the smaller one?

[@tombuck]

It's been on my to do list! Other than the size and inputs there aren't too many major differences- Mackie did a great job of smashing all that power into a smaller form factor.

[@madness8556]

Great review Tom! Which would be best for radio program preproduction?

[@tombuck]

Honestly, either one works, but I feel like the XS is a little more "pro".

[@rafaelgibgabor1033]

Hi. Can you, please, do a review of the Boss Gigcaster 8? Thank you! Keep up the amazing work you do

[@tombuck]

I swear it's on the way! Mine actually had a defect and had to be sent in for repair, but finally came back last week. There was an issue with the SD card not actually recording, which was weird, but I haven't heard of anyone else having the problem so I think it was just a bizarre defect.

[@rafaelgibgabor1033]

Awesome. Thank you for the reply 🙏

[@BobbyBain]

It's pretty obvious that the DLZ XS has better sounding preamps. The Rodecaster sounds brighter even without processing.

[@harrisheller]

Your puns are under appreciated

[@tombuck]

Look me NDI and say that.

[@The07059]

I don't hate locking power cord, but i really love usb power, it is very useful when I need to power it on the go, or any power outage, and I don't really need to get any power outlet to power it.

[@tombuck]

The original RCP had an adapter you could buy that allows you to connect a USB bank to the locking power cable, so it was kind of the best of both worlds.

[@The07059]

@@tombuck love that, except you need to remember to bring the specific cable, otherwise it is overall best of the both world, but love to see if it is possible to have locking type-C🤣🤣🤣

[@Samantha-rc9we]

Hey Tom, I have a question. You said it's easier to get the sound you want with the processing on the Mackie, how good is the noise gate compared to the RCP 2? I watched a Dark Corner Studio video recently comparing the regular Mackie DLZ Creator & the RCP 2 and he specifically mentioned when testing the processing between both on an SM7B he didn't use the gate on the Mackie because it was "garbage" is this true?

[@tombuck]

I've had a good experience with it! Of course a lot of that does depend on the environment it's being used in (neither device can work miracles). I think the RCP2 is a bit more smooth and natural, but the Mackie works great.

[@Samantha-rc9we]

Thanks boss!

[@TravisMorganOnline]

You videos are really good. Like too good. 😂… It’s literally a 10/10

[@tombuck]

Dang, thank you! That's so nice to hear 🙏

[@alastairspink426]

Another informative video - just a quick question if I may Tom - where can I find those coloured headphone cables & ear cushions - they look fantastic when matched with your XLR cables :-)

Actually RODE provides USB power cable with Kensington-like lock that one can use to block USB-C plug from accidentally being pulled out (there is a hole near USB power input). The reason why I prefer USB-C PD power standard is that I can use my PD powerbank to provide power to Rodecaster when on the go - I don't need wall outlet anywhere near (I sometimes record in strange places).

[@tombuck]

Thanks for the tip!

[@creativegreatsvisuals]

but u can't synch audio to a camera with rodecaster

[@NinoAmerica]

What about the routing?

[@whitefoxplays]

Great review! Love seeing the new devices starting to compete for the creator/streamer space for great audio. Also, can you PLEASE tell me where you got those Rode NTH-100 blue earcups and headband?! They would match my setup perfectly! Thanks again!

[@dsaltz]

Tom, great review. Q: Does the DLZ offer multiple, easily switchable pages for the soundpads? Also, I wonder if Rode intends to put Mackie back in its more traditional live-sound market positioning and focus the Rode offerings to creators.

[@tombuck]

Yes, there are multiple soundboard banks, but you switch using a tiny button on the screen rather than dedicated buttons like the Duo.

[@luke_1234]

Tom, are you still using your MacMini M1? Do you plan on upgrading to the M3 version when it comes out? I love my M2 Pro Mac Mini but think I’ll get a M3 MacBook Air when it comes out

[@tombuck]

I'm still using my M1 Mac Mini and my M1 Max MacBook Pro. I do most of my editing on the MacBook. It does work with my Sony footage a little better, but honestly it's mostly just because I like the portability 😁 The Mac Mini is still going strong and I use it for all of my streams, video calls, and podcasts.

[@diosen9823]

Hey, nice video! I just have a question regarding the DLZ Creator XS on the PC. Can you separate both Microphone 1 and 2, and can you turn them to mono?

[@jimimadison]

Can I use my Mac laptop to connect via zoom and record their audio in the creator for later playback on my radio show?

[@straytopix]

Hello Tom! Love your videos! I have a question, about the Rode NTH-100 colored headphone pads. Where did you find them? Thanks for any information.

[@cupofrobots]

What about the voltage issues in the Duo and Pro II? Does the XS have anything like that?

[@annebokma4637]

Want a dlz but waiting to see what happens with the Rode take over.

[@MeDroiD]

Hello! How do them behave with shotgun mics such as Sennheiser MKE 600? Saw your shotgun mic videos in the past and genuinely love them as you can get them out of screen, but wonder whether something like these devices would enhance the overall sound quality of the shotgun microphones. Thanks!

[@allthecommonsense]

The only thing that would have an impact on the MKE 600’s sound quality would be to incorporate live effects like compression, etc. to maximize the MKE 600 signal. You could just as easily make it sound worse if you don’t know how to use those things though.

[@mattwruff]

I would argue with you in a friendly sort of way I would say the Mackie is clearly the better device.Being a sound engineer for 5 decades it a real sound board. The balanced line out on the Mackie is better, and the headphone jacks on the Mackie are better. You are correct that if you come from no background in audio then the Rode may be the better pick for you. I hope they release a Streamer X like product because the headphone jack is like my Procaster NOT VERY GOOD. I selling my Rodecaster and getting one or the other Mackie unit that the only decision. I do wish there was a mounting system on the bottom but I'm sure someone will 3D printer will make something... great review Tom ... TOTALLY AGREE on the MICRO SD just like on camera with the less than full sized HDMI ports!

[@tombuck]

It's definitely obviously that the Mackie is geared towards a more "pro" or experienced user. They pretty much told me as much when the first DLZ was released. I think that's awesome because there are a lot of people (like yourself) who have felt limited by the more consumer-focused options.

[@mattwruff]

@@tombuck the trouble with tech is do you upgrade? DJI Mic 2 is out but without time code so for me I will not be updating. I've always like Mackies sound boards so I just have to figure out if I want the bigger or smaller one. (Both are so much smaller than the huge boards I'm used to!

[@chillywilli]

Mackie just released the Mainstream as an answer to the StreamerX.

[@mattwruff]

@@chillywilli Just saw that this morning and it's only HD and not 4K

[@chillywilli]

@@mattwruff I am afraid 4K streaming is something we can expect to be standard in at least 5 years. Also 4K TV, the broadcast studios simply do not replace the old FullHD cameras before they are written off. That being said, FullHD isn’t that bad, and the 4K datastream can’t be handled by most ethernet connections. A good camera with low aperture lens in FullHD is much better then a crappy one in 4K, in low light most webcams and action cams fail, whether it is FullHD or 4K. My 2 cents.

[@Jgeisinger83]

where did you get the color coordinated ear pads for the NTH-100's? I have been looking for something like this but haven't found them yet.

[@tombuck]

Rode sent them last summer, and I'm hoping they'll be available for sale at some point but I haven't seen them yet.

[@TheGeekGauntletPodcast]

Plus I got the RCP 1 and RCP2 based off your recommendations. Are you saying we need to switch to the Mackie gear???

[@tombuck]

Definitely not saying anyone needs to switch anything, especially if you already have the RCP2. There was a big difference between the RCP1 and 2 that justified an upgrade, but in this case everything is great and it's just nice to check out different options.

[@LetsGoHelio]

Counterpart joke was pretty incredible

[@tombuck]

I was very happy when that clicked into place 😁

[@dsaltz]

you should be pun-ished for every pun you shed with your punish head. (LOL - love the puns - keep 'em coming) @@tombuck

[@mackietv]

we lol'd @@tombuck

[@nexxai]

Tom, I love your videos. Just wondering if on the DLZ, if the channel-specific mute button is an instant kill, or if it's very quick fade (0.5-1s)? Without having the faders to quickly (but smoothly) take down a channel, it might sound a bit jarring if you're, let's say, ready to take an ad break and it goes from ambient sound to nothing instantaneously.

[@derpescado]

Awesome review! Not sure if i missed you mentioning it, but the rode has two usb and the dlz looks like has only one. Think that could, especially when it comes to streaming, be a big disadvantage of the dlz.

[@tombuck]

It's a little tricky- the Mackie doesn't have dual USB C, but via NDI you can support two computers at the same time.

[@derpescado]

True, forgot about that. Thanks 🙏

[@rjphllps7]

Would you please go over the Mackie PC features if youb are a streamer. I have a go xlr mini and the routing table is amazing and want to buy something that can do podcasting great and also help with streaming. No way can I afford 2 mixers for separate purposes

[@TheRockPilePodcast]

I’m at a loss I’m trying to up my professionalism and have been back n forth between both of these units. I do a lot of video podcasting through Restream but would like to start doing more audio and utilizing something that’s ease of use bc I’m not technical at all.

[@mtmccornack]

Mackie is my jam... I use a pair of srm 450s with a pair of 15 inch subs as my front room sound! I don't always listen to pink Floyd, but when I do, so do the neighbors!

[@matthewpateofficial]

Have you tried the latency for recording? It’s sad rode hasn’t fixed this for recording into Logic etc.

[@ZeroLagGaming]

Im very curious about the knobs mapping. Can you bring your discord sound on a specific knob and the same for PC sound?

[@nathanielfoo96]

Which one should i use to output my speakers and sub as well?

[@chillywilli]

The rotary dials in combination with the onscreen visuals on the Mackie looks very intuitiv. The compact form factor makes it very useful. Personally I think a DLZ with four mic inputs and the rotary dials to make it compact for portable use would make it an ideal podcast/livestream on the go solution. Off course a big battery pack inside to have its onboard power that also serves as backup when running on AC. I think these companies do not think enough with redundancy. Digital cameras are equipped with two card slots in case one SD card fails, and that happens a lot. Why not two SD card slots on an audio mixer. Losing a recording really sucks, and using one precious USB port just for backup seems a waste of connecting possebilities.

[@phatadam123]

I wish you would have gone into the capabilities of the interfaces - like usb into the streaming pc for example.

[@Aty3Studios]

Looking at my score card, Mackie DLZ has 1point and Rodecaster Duo has 2 (deux). So winner for me is the DUO. Much easier for me to work with and I have its bigger sibling (RCP II) as well. Great review Tom. Thank you

[@tombuck]

Glad it was helpful! If you're already in the Rodecaster ecosystem, it's definitely nice to have devices that basically work exactly the same.

[@ddpham2191]

Does the Mackie have Audio Routing features like the Rodecaster Pro ii and Duo?

[@Danieleallegra]

dlz XS only records in fat32? Or the are other options? Thanks

[@ReySChasey]

Love your stuff Mr. Buck!

[@jonathanramsey]

16:19 one of the other dumb things about the USB-C power connector is that it’s hardwired on the other end to the RCP2 power block. It’s not clear that you can use any USB C PD power supply. That would ostensibly be the reason to have USB C connectors for power.

[@desertcatmoto]

Amazing review. Think Rhode will leave Mackie to do their thing; It's kinda like Android is more of a customizable platform for techie individuals, and Apple is a plug and play with presets ready to go. Time will only tell.

[@tombuck]

I'm hoping that's the case! As others have pointed out, it's really Rode's parent company that made the acquisition, so they might be totally content to leave both companies well enough alone. But also, Rode is the crown jewell of The Freedman Group and it seems like the other companies they own all serve Rode in some way, so we'll see...

[@TheEsportLoungePodcast]

How you got the blue cushion for your rode headset?

[@DELIVERYTV]

I've had the rodecaster pro II for a year, I've used it for my live streams every Thursday. RODE has had to replace my equipment 4 times. The problem is that it freezes while I am broadcasting live, this last Thursday it happened to me and it almost damaged my transmission, the equipment is not reliable, I suspect it has to do with the USB ports, I have finally come to the conclusion of going the other way. DLZ. I love the RODECASTER, but I can't afford to ruin my live streams anymore. 😢

[@jonathanramsey]

32:23 I too am dismayed by Røde’s purchase of Mackie. Mergers of direct competitors is never a net positive for the consumer or the people at the companies. If it had happened when Røde was more of a mic manufacturer, they didn’t overlap, but now their offerings are beginning to have sizable overlap, at least in recording, streaming, and podcasting hardware😢

[@dsaltz]

I agree with your concern, but the other possibility is that Rode will re-focus Mackie on their traditional live sound market and then amp up (no pun intended) Rode products for creators, blending some of the best features of both. Meanwhile, I am taking a wait-and-see position.

[@tombuck]

It's interesting/concerning for sure. I think Mackie's current releases were all developed prior to the merger, so the biggest "tell" will be to see what each company releases post-merger. That'll show where their priorities are and how/if they're competing.