macOS 14 Sonoma on a 15 year old Mac (classic Mac Pro 2008)

[@willm5032]

Dang, its good to see that it's possible to run on these. I've got a maxed out mac pro 3,1 lying around that ran big sur with OCLP (daily drove it for 3 years as a cheap design rig) so I might have a play with it. Great vid

[@dmug]

I’ve debated modifying the psu with pixlas and sticking 6900 XT in it to see if I can get it to work.

[@DDStuff]

@@dmug Sadly the RX 6000 series card drivers require AVX. Which will not work. I tried. So I am stuck on Monterey for now till OpenCore Legacy Patcher adds support for the RX6000 cards.

[@dmug]

@@DDStuff if you’ve seen macsouundsolutions, he jammed a 6000 series in his Mac Pro

[@DDStuff]

@@dmug Under MacOS Monterey Yes. But to upgrade to Ventura and Sonoma with the Cheese Grader MacPro 4,1-5,1 system, you need to have AVX support for the RX6000 series cards. Those cards work fine on Monterey. It is just the drivers on the newer versions of MacOS require AVX for the RX 6000 series cards. If you are running anything that is not a Navi card with OCLP, then you can use the Vega series or lower cards as they work with no problems (those drivers don't use AVX). If you are using any RX 5000 or higher, you are SOL. Take it from someone who had lost 3 days only to find out about that. Edit: I should note that I already have a patched RX 6000 series GPU in my MacPro so it could work on the system.

[@dmug]

@@DDStuff Ah. I haven't kept up on the latest around 6000 series as I don't daily drive a cMP these days. I've thought about doing a Pixlas mod to my 3,1 just for the silliness of trying out my 6900 XT from my 7,1 in the cMP.

[@joshm264]

THANK YOU for showing us the control-click thing on the boot picker, I don't know how i went for years without discovering that

[@dmug]

Probably didn’t know about it until about 5-6 years ago?

[@bernRA]

agreed

[@Ashleyyyyy666]

i actually use one of these as a daily. with 16GB ram and a Metal compatible GPU it runs quite nicely.

[@FlintG]

That is cool, I got a mac mini from 2012 that has 16gb ram it has catalina on it which is the most stable os it can use for mac os I could actually just run linux on it instead and might be better.

[@WarriorsPhoto]

@@FlintG What would be better about Linux?

[@FlintG]

@@WarriorsPhoto Well depends on what linux distro you use on the mac it might be a lot more light weight than mac os. I have tried ubuntu and mint on it and they seem to run very well actually and they do get updates.

[@WarriorsPhoto]

@@FlintG Ohh 😮 really? 🤔

[@bernRA]

where did you get the RAM? or did you already have it? I only have 8gig, and it's really expensive on OWC or Amazon. (not worth the upgrade for an experiment computer)

[@maladjustedtv]

15:01 KITTY!!!!! 😻❤ 17:08 SLEEPY KITTY!!!!❤😻 Thanks for all the work & testing you do!

[@WJHandyDad]

this was great and fun to watch. Thank you for sharing your expertise!

[@ladeluff_]

Hi again Greg. So nice to dive into mac pro geeking, through troubled times...anyroad. i just got through a milestone today. i Packed one of my initial Mac pros full of RAM. The first Intel Mac pro 1.1 (firmware upgraded to 2.1 and got 64GB RAM running all day without issues /w overheating!!! I also have made upgrades earlier with CPU, SSD's, and GPU: 2 x 3Ghz Xeon X5365 (MAX 2x 500 GB SSD Nvidia GTX 980 TI 6GB VRAM (MAX 64 GB RAM (MAX This, now 18 years old (and counting, workhorse packs a punch! :P

[@dmug]

That’s probably about as maxed out of a 1,1 that anyone has out there. Impressive. If my channel actually made money, I’d be tempted to do silly things like make a maxed out 1,1 for content.

[@ladeluff_]

hehe tnx. i have vacumed the local (norwegian) secondhand marked for parts for 2 years now...a lot of old servers are leaving their RAM these days. Example: I also have some 5.1 projects going, and i was lucky to pick up 144GB DDR3 fully buffered samsung RAM for approx 45 dollars! that is wicked cheap! @@dmug

[@henntendo]

The fact a 15 year old machine is still very usable is incredible, in 2008 you could not use a 1993 computer at all!! These are still 100% usable

[@dmug]

It's pretty incredible it can do what it does. 4k wasn't really a thing in 2008 as 4k TVs were hitting the market in 2012. This computer can drive not one, but two 4k displays after an inexpensive GPU upgrade without any issues. Not sure if you saw the follow up video where I upgrade it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpK2pZ-sotufq6s

[@AdamChadwick]

I love your videos. Thank you for helping me for over 10 years!

[@dmug]

10 years? Ha, my Mac Pro upgrade guide is like.... 5 years old I think now unless you found my very old stuff like GeForce 760 upgrade post etc.

[@AdamChadwick]

@@dmug well, it feels like i’ve been using your guide for that long lol Saved my butt countless times!

[@johnsmith-js9nv]

Please tell us the name of your beverage of the day so that we can become educated in that area as well.

[@dmug]

Ale Apothecary: Field Spirits. Ale Apothecary is an unusual wild ferment brewery in Bend, Oregon (they have hand made dug out pine trees used as coolships to capture wild yeast). I've love their stuff and I was there three weeks ago, and the owner/head brewer recommended that bottle. It's fantastic, sour, but more tart than anything, that has a bit of the residual fruitiness from the Pinot Noir barrels it was aged in. thealeapothecary.com/ untappd.com/b/the-ale-apothecary-field-spirits/3221145 Most people think Oregon and think IPAs, but if you ask me what our best strength is wild ferments/Belgian inspired beers as there's multiple sour specialists here. Adding this to the description.

[@johnsmith-js9nv]

Thank you!

[@davidcmcchesney]

Dude where is your 5,1 ? Come visit & I will give you one. Thanx for keeping up w/ your excellent work. I sold all my 3,1’s & only have 4,1 & 5,1’s now. Been watching you from the beginning. You have given so much !

[@dmug]

Fun story: During the pandemic I sold off my two Mac Pro 5,1s (I had a dual CPU and single CPU) and my GPUs, along with a few random audio things (headphones, midi controller, preamp etc) to fund my Mac Pro 7,1 purchase. There was no way I could rationalize buying a Mac Pro 7,1 until I unloaded a Radeon VII for $2400. I'd take a 5,1 for a video series but I wouldn't want to ask you to mail it even if I covered the shipping after going through that twice.

[@davidcmcchesney]

Come Visit ! I need help virtualizing ..I have Hyper V running real well but I can’t get Mac OS running as guest. OCLP is great for modern Mac OS but I can’t get It virtualized. I don’t want to install Mojave + Paralells which runs good because it’s all supported config

[@alexw1015]

Thank for all your efforts and documentation on KZbin and in your blog! Always informative and entertaining. Please keep up the great work. While other helpful channels focus on the 5,1 cMPs (Jessie or Lance for example), I really appreciate your frequent updates on the 3,1 since I use a 3,1 (with 16 GB RAM, GTX 680 2GB) myself. A few days ago I installed a Sonnet McFiver in PCIe slot #2 with two Samsung 970 EVO plus NVMe. One NVMe is running Ventura 13.6; very stable. The other NVMe is running Sonoma 14.0; overall promising but occasionally freezes; not sure, yet, what causes the issue since reproducing the same steps don't cause the freezes to reoccur. I hope this will improve over time with further releases of 14.x and OCLP. Before installing the McFiver I ran Ventura up to 13.5 from a Samsung 870 EVO 2.5" SSD via an OWC Accelsior PCI SSD sled, also in slot #2. The NVMe speed improvement over the 2.5" SSD is definitely noticeable, although not as much a game changer as moving from HDD to SSD. I am considering to buy an RX 6600 (XT) but want to hold back until HW video acceleration for Ventura and higher is supported by OCLP which according to dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/VENTURA-DROP.html#current-status is currently not in place, yet.

[@MacSoundSolutions]

The RX6600 is not supported with Ventura or Sonoma with OCLP as of yet as far as I know.

[@dmug]

@@MacSoundSolutions Thanks for chiming in, yeah, I have a follow up vid where I have some Sonoma problems even with a RX580

[@alexw1015]

@@MacSoundSolutions, yes, you are correct. However, they write "We're recently received an AMD RX 6600 donation, so hopefully in the future the project can support AMD Navi with pre-Haswell Macs. However, no time estimates can be given." I keep my fingers crossed for that. BTW, thanks to YOUR videos covering the McFiver I put that into my 3,1. Works awesome!

[@MacSoundSolutions]

@@alexw1015 they posted that about the 6600xt a year ago with no updates. I have a weird issue with the McFiver it is frying my bus powered SSDs so they only work at usb 2 speeds really odd. I have a call into them but no news yet.

[@blackchristiangeek]

That was entertaining and interesting. I recent updated my 2014 MacBook Pro to macOS 14 Sonoma using the OpenCore Legacy Patcher and it has worked surprising well. Clearly demonstrating that Apple's hardware has far more life that Apple officially allows. Thanks for sharing and God bless,

[@ericjenks9596]

I just bought a 2010 5.1 that the previous owner had maxed out - nvme, radeon rx580, 12 cores @ 3.46 ghz, 128 gb of ram. They didn’t know about open core. So far it’s running sonoma beautifully. I got it for $180.

[@theyogipatel]

where di you get that thats awesome rx580 alone cost $200

[@mrjohnwilkesbooth]

I have the exact same computer w/metal. I've tried oclp 1.2.1 w/Sonoma on a blank SSD. It keeps looping start sound. Why ? Could you briefly explain the procedure that you used. I was successful installing Monterey on it last year. However, my Monterey drive, I keep for safekeepings & use a blank SSD for installing Sonoma. I have a thumb drive w/oclp 1.2.1 Sonoma. Should I try using a different thumb drive?

[@byrd203]

You can find the list of all settings by enabling secondary click then right click on the settings app in the dock it will list every setting there

[@MacSoundSolutions]

Nice one Greg!

[@flamingkillermc2806]

7:51 Here is a answer, same thing with my m1 Macbook air connected to a 1080p 165hz monitor with display port. I use better display app so that I can switch between LoDPI and HiDPI and full pixel to pixel resolution on the 13' screen as it can give me that option even tho apple doesn't allow you to do in settings. (Basically gives you much more room as the UI is pixel to pixel rather then being "retina", looking closer at the screen it looks exactly how the non-retina MacBooks look as those were pixel to pixel as well). Anyway the 1080p165hz monitor runs in macos at 1080p, but some UI looks a bit odd, but using the better display app you are able to switch to default resolution HiDPI, it tricks macos making it think the display is 4k and it "enabled" retina quality in apps and UI, but UI looks 1080p, as it's still set to 1080p. Basically fake 4k downsampled to 1080p to "enable" clearer retina UI. (Open core is probably using some re-sampling for all macs), Also after macos Monterey apple removed support for proper pixel thing, so the only was to get shaper retina quality was to get a 5k display, but people still wanted to use a 4k display without any UI issue, that is why you can use better display app to fix that problem. Similarly you can enabled HiDPI mode on non- retina macs and the UI will look sharp but everything is 4x the size, as it doesn't have the pixels. ps: also screen recording is also tricked and records in what resolution, fake or not on what's it set to. Happened to me as I thought the my monitor would still be 1080p, but the recording was still 4k.

[@dmug]

Thanks for the thoughtful reply. It's not what's happening. It was physically outputting a 1080p signal to my HDMI capture device so Quicktime's downsampling doesn't come into play but then I was able to force high PPI which shouldn't be feasible. Originally, the video was outputting only a 1080p signal. The cable I'm using a DVI-D (non-dual link) to HDMI as you can't use DVI-D DL to HDMI without an active convertor. The TMDS bitstream should be too high of bandwidth even at 30 Hz. HDMI 1.4's bandwidth is 10.2 Gbps, which is just enough for 4k@30hz vs 3.96 Gbps for DVI which caps at 1920x1200@60hz. Apparently, the GPU can force a bit stream that's either within the tolerance of 3.96 Gbps by using compression (I didn't think DSC was a thing for old HDMI) and/or lower subsampling like 4:2:0.... or the DVI-D cable can actually carry more than 2x the data and the GPU ignores the DVI port's limitation and just responds to the HDMI port's negotiation.

[@flamingkillermc2806]

@@dmug ​ Weird, but it's probably just macos doing weird stuff. My best guess is that since newer macos is usually ran at higher DPI, that it auto uses a "fake" 4k signal on a 1080p signal. On my end, if I go to youtube video and rightclick stats for nerds, it shows "Viewport/Frames, and the viewport has a (*2.00) showing it's 2x the UI, but if I switch to lowDPI it removes the 2x.

[@flamingkillermc2806]

@@dmug But also says, current 4k showing it's technically running at 4k on a 1080p screen, on my end.

[@dmug]

@@flamingkillermc2806 not a fake 4k though, it's 4k (Sure, there's UI scaling but I can run 1x scaling without any issues). The UI scaling isn't really relevant, it's just an affectation. In the video you can see that in the system report, it's 3840 x 216. Side by side, I show split, a 1080p capture vs 4k. The 1080p is blurry as its just upscaled vs the 1080p 2x scaling at 4k. The big question really is why can I do this using a DVI to HDMI cable.

[@dmug]

Posted to Mac Rumors, maybe a genius there can figure it out. forums.macrumors.com/threads/a-4k-mystery-why-am-i-able-to-output-4k30-over-dvi-to-hdmi-via-geforce-760-on-a-cmp-3-1.2407119/

[@thegamingtech3795]

Hey my aerial wallpaper lags too much on my MacBook Pro late 2013 Retina 13 inch only Dubai wallpapers works smooth but ocean wallpapers lag too much How to fix it I Am on Sonoma 14.0 on 1.10

[@dmug]

I think that’s just the limitations of OCLP, I’d check on forums to see others experiences

[@user-pp3dl8id7r]

Your videos are superb

[@tompittman3683]

Wow, very Interesting stuff. I don't know much about all this but do appriciate all the work you have performed but, what really caught my ear was when you talked about the pictures taken from around your Home Town on the Southern Oregon Coast. I live Inland some in Southern Oregon so yeah you really got my attention when I heard that. Sounds like you live over in the Bend area now. What a beautiful place!! Anyways, great stuff!! I have a monster (at least back then It was) 2011 Mac Pro Desktop that as always, for all this time (I purchased new) been outstanding until recently. I have been running Presonus Studio One since version 1 but recently when Version 6 came out I was not able to load it because Version 6 requires at least 10.14 and my old Mac Pro can't go beyond 10.13.6. Your video as me curious if I can upgrade OS? I have since purchased an 2018 Mac Mini to run Studio One 6. It's great so far until yesterday. I had recently purchased a Roland TD 30 drum module. It can send USB audio and Midi at same time. I was getting some latency (from about 25 feet away) so I lowered sample rate from 512 downward. That helped but did not clear it up. I lowered down to 64 samples and was still getting latency. So, down to 32 and still some latency. Went to 16 samples and the latency cleared up but then came the crackles and pops. I never had these latency issues on my 2011 Mac Pro Desktop but it as surely showed up on this Mac Mini. I need to do more testing. I suppose I need to compare the 2 systems and see what I can gather from that. Be curious to hear what you think about possibly upgrading my Mac Pro Desktop. I imagine a new or newer Mac Mini M2 Pro would handle about anything I could throw at it but the price tag of around 2Grand does concern me. I paid a lot more for my Mac Pro Desktop but that is or was quite the system. I had UAD Pcle cards and so forth in that machine. Sorry for long post. Hope you a minute to read. Thank you and keep up the great work!!

[@dmug]

Yeah, I grew up on the southern Oregon coast, and I have a habit of sneaking in PNW locations in b-roll in other videos, but I live these days in PDX. If it's a Mac Pro 3,1, 4,1 or 5,1 (A 2008, 2009 or 2010/2012 Mac Pro). All of the info is here, I wrote this guide before I had a youtube channel. blog.greggant.com/posts/2018/05/07/definitive-mac-pro-upgrade-guide.html There's a physical limitation of latency with samples, as the formula goes:, simply divide the number of samples by the sample rate. For example, 512 samples/44.1 kHz = 11.7 ms. That's the absolute minimum latency that you can achieve, external factors like the DAW and drivers etc will add more. However, less buffer more likely for artifacting, when the CPU is unable to keep up with the limited amount of time. I'm not sure what would be causing your issues but 16 samples is incredibly small. Also, I have to ask, are you sure you'd need a M2 Pro? Most people vastly over estimate how much RAM they need for audio work. You can always see how your memory usage is with your current workflow in the activity monitor by watching the memory pressure. Unless you're scoring films, generally 16 GB is more than enough for most audio work. I'd assume an M2 Mac Mini would be fine. kzbin.info/www/bejne/h5OXp2mPlqqEl5I

[@absolutisimo]

Great upgrade! Exactly what I needed to upgrade my old 3,1 (w/64GB RAM) to Sonoma using OCLP 1.0.1, so a bigTHANK YOU! My first step will be a new Metal-capable GPU (Nvidia GTX 680 probably), a USB 2.0 hub, and possibly a generic USB 3.1 card like you're using with the T7 (I use one, too). The last time I looked at doing all this with OLCP 0.6x, beyond the Metal requirement I think there were Wifi & Bluetooth issues reported with OCLP. I noted your odd BT / Airdrop issue, but what about the wifi? All in all, great video and I'll be using it to finally get security updates again. on Sonoma. Many thanks!

[@dmug]

I have a BCM94360CD, which is the Wireless AC/BT4.0 upgrade. Wifi works fine, just bluetooth required features seem hit and miss (Airdrop, my Airpods). I didn't bother trying to pair the mouse/keyboard from my Mac Pro 2019 to it or playing audio to my receiver via AirPlay as there's realistically only so much I want to do just for the sake of a video.

[@thaihoangcfc]

GTX 680 is not metal capable after High Sierra. You will need to find an AMD Navi 21 or 23 for that if you want to run Sonoma

[@michelecippitelli2894]

Buy an RX 580, much better

[@bernRA]

process also worked seamlessly on my 2015 11inch Air with Sonoma. thanks again!

[@artysanmobile]

Airdrop has long been a prank by Apple to see if you’ve got the patience to find the only combination of operating systems it will work with.

[@dmug]

That’s pretty accurate

[@StueyMonster]

Great vid Greg! Despite owning 4x 5,1 Mac Pros for 4 or 5 years, I've never installed Open Core... I think I'll give it a go!

[@dmug]

It’s super easy these days. I first used OpenCore in the Martin Lo package days but then sold off my 5,1s to fund my 7,1 purchase. It felt like a full time job to keep up with it but now OCLP does it all for you. Monterey was basically bullet proof on my 3,1 and the OpenCore guys keep making newer OSes better.

[@FireAngelOfLondon]

I have a Mac Pro 5,1, a 2010 model with some 2012 parts in it (the two were identical except for the processors fitted and a different Wi-Fi card). I use two PCIe cards with NVME SSDs on, two 500Gb drives on one card and two 2Tb drives on the other. I also have 128Gb of ram fitted and the twelve core 3.46GHz option. There are four 4Tb spinning hard drives in the 3.5 inch bays and an 8GB RX-580 GPU. This machine runs Monterey just fine from one of the 2Tb SSDs with the other matching drive as a mirrored backup. I have Catalina on the 500Gb SSDs in a similar paired arrangement but I am going to try Ventura on those very soon because since installing Monterey I have had no problems with it, so the Catalina installs are no longer needed. This Mac Pro is still my main computer. I have an old Dual G5 machine to with PhotoShop CS3 on it as a supplementary machine, that is only used occasionally since I got Affinity Photo on the Mac Pro. This old machine is fine, perfectly viable in daily use for 3D work, and that is thanks to the OCLP team. I would definitely need a newer computer without OCLP, and I have recommended it to many people. Thanks for the information you put out as it was from your web site that I found out that OCLP exists!

[@ChristopheSmith]

What a wonderfull world . Thanks

[@skatepark02]

My current editing machine is a 2010 5,1 x5690 running Monterey. For it’s age it rips! Open core has been a blessing for us cMP users.

[@dmug]

Working with 4k? My very first youtube videos I edited on my cMP, it wasn't a bad experience.

[@skatepark02]

@@dmug Yep 4K. However theres more to it than that. The latest opencore versions allow the GPU to decode H.264. its a smooth experience if I'm working with intra frame footage, otherwise with Long GOP I often have to create proxies. I am also using two M.2 NVme cards (970 EVO) on a PCIe card that supports Bifurcation. I get speeds of around 3286 MB/s. There isnt much left I can upgrade on this machine now sadly.

[@sergserg149]

@@skatepark02 what brand and model of your card? I also have nvme.2 ssd but the card only supports speed 400

[@skatepark02]

@@sergserg149 I use a Lycom DT-130 Dual PCIe which supports Bifurcation allowing for almost maximum speeds.

[@BlackCatdp]

Hi, I wanted to ask you a question, I have a macPro 1.1/2.1 A1186, powered by two 3 GHz Quad Core Xeon X5365 (Clovertown) and 16GB Ram, running El Capitan. Would I be able to install Sonoma by following your tutorial? Thank you for your time!

[@dmug]

You can always check the compatibility on the OpneCore website. Short answer is no, the 2006-2007 Mac Pros use 32 EFI thus are not supported.

[@WarriorsPhoto]

I was surprised it even worked. Good to see that someone with a Mac Pro can still have decent performance. I wonder how long this'll last?

[@dmug]

Probably until the end days of intel macOS

[@WarriorsPhoto]

@@dmug Good point. And then Intel MacOS will begin again. 😉 😂

[@realDesertLad]

I got my hands on a Mac Pro 4,1 and upgraded the firmware to 5,1. I'm tempted on getting OpenCore to upgrade it from Mojave to Catalina and I hope I have zero issues with it alongside a Windows 7 installation.

[@petertschann-grimm8442]

I'm in the same position, my problem is I can't get to the boot screen by holding down option upon Restart. Are you able to? I'm on Mojave 10.14.6 (early 2009 3ghz 6-core intel 5,1)

[@kaltrex9465]

I have a MacBook Pro 2010 2.66 dual core. 16 gb ram. 5 ur old ssd. can mine handle Sonoma? Also, any idea why Bluetooth stopping connecting from iPhone 2020 to patched Monterey on said laptop? My biggest gripe is I can’t use my 2011 ms office above unless I use free ms website versions . If I partition then I could in a high sierra.

[@dmug]

I’d check the OpenCore legacy website, as that’s all I’d be able to do as I’m not really an OpenCore expert. My next video on my Mac Pro will make that clear.

[@Telecasterland]

I havn't been able to get VideoProc Converter to hardware accelerate on any video card past MacOS Monterey on the 5,1. I believe it has to do with the lack of AVX2 support. But I can get Monterey to fully accelerate.

[@alonebysunset]

7:50 enter: 16K overclock via HDMI to DVI: kzbin.infomuHqh-jUIu4?si=OxgZpkSXh4RZZxj8 no I don't know how I did it and just in case there are people looking for hardware, I don't even know what monitor I got, but it's a Dell 21 inch I got for free, and the wire is beefy. but the PC is a 2021 Razer Blade 15 Base with a 3070. edit: to explain a little better, modern DVI has that capability for 16K, and I would even say HDMI is the one that surprised me. they're both super insane interfaces though.

[@BrandonLy3993]

My 2008 seems hit or miss or some reason. It had no issues installing BigSur but upgrading to Ventura or Sonoma is hit or miss. Namely, I was able to get Sonoma to boot once after the OS was installed. I installed OCLP onto the boot drive and rebooted, it then threw an error stating that "The version of MacOS on the selected disk needs to be reinstalled." Note: It took me two tries to get it to actually boot into Sonoma, albeit without any of the post install patchers installed yet (as I didn't get that far). I then tried again on Ventura and it didn't boot, it went straight into "The version of MacOS on the selected disk needs to be reinstalled." I can't find anything like this in the forums... perhaps I'm looking in the wrong places.

[@stevenbarber2703]

when you installed the new os did you have to use a usb hub to get all your stuff to work? EDIT: never mind i just saw the rest of the video lol that answers my question i am not in a huge hurry to upgrade just yet.

[@stevenbarber2703]

and did your internal ethernet card ?

[@dmug]

Internal enet works even before post-install fixed with the 2008. Same with 802.11

[@QuinsTechCorner]

OK, am I being stupid? The UI looks quite snappy despite the GTX 760 (no acceleration???)

[@dmug]

Sonoma is actually very usable and does do Metal 2 acceleration for the UI. I have a follow up video planned where I got a not great but not bad RX 580 with 4 GB of a VRAM and a much better SSD since this video seems to be a hit. It isn’t maxing it out but only cost me $75

[@NOTYOURPUPPETSOFFICIAL]

podría ejecutar Sonoma desde un disco duro externo ssd crucial??

[@dmug]

Sí, puedes usar un SSD externo, pero requeriría de ajustes de seguridad más bajos si quisieras arrancar desde él. Utilicé SSDs externos de Samsung para editar este video pero no arranqué desde ellos.

[@leylandlynxvlog]

I also recently tried to use Snow Leopard on my MacBook Pro Late 2008, after watching your other video but couldn't live with the old browsers. OCLP needs 10.10 iirc it certainly wouldn't run on SL when I tried it. I have found success using Windows Vista Ultimate x64 in 2024. This video is so entertaining for me as I literally this week/last week hit all the issues you did trying to get Sonoma on my MBP (never actually did because it requires a USB hub that I don't have to bypass the lack of USB1.1 support - no trackpad or keyboard working from Ventura and up on older MacBooks), then I tried Monterey but it was too slow due to HDD, as was Catalina so I'm on Mavericks until I get an SSD for it. Funnily enough you seem to have the same USB as me (at least as reported by Disk Utility). Eventually I'll post videos on my new channel @ByteVybe (currently under construction). Thanks for the inspiration, I can't wait till I get a classic Mac Pro! Keep doing what you do I love it.

[@dmug]

Cool, if you post a link in a comment, I'll check your video out when it's up.

[@KarelBeelaertsvanBlokland]

My experience with an iMac 12.1 is that only a clean install (of Big Sur in my case ) works good with Open Core Patcher Post Install Root patches !

[@seunomeaquii]

hi i just found in the garbage one similar like this. wich cable i can use to conect in imac2006? tks

[@Anamnesia]

Liked, Commented, Subscribed & shared with a friend... Question: Did you try using any Firewire hardware? I believe Apple stopped supporting Firewire after Monterey, but that you can download a patch to add it to Ventura, although I am hearing it might also be available to patch in Sonoma. The reason for asking is; a lot of mid/late 2000's Audio capture cards are still in use, even though vendors have released newer products to buy with Thunderbolt-3/4 as the I/O. I've been contemplating (at some stage) upgrading to an M2 Studio, buuuuut my Trashcan is still running fine...

[@dmug]

I don’t have any FireWire devices at this point. I used to have a bus powered LaCia 160 gb drive that I’m not sure if I gave away or lost I kept mostly because it was tiny and occasionally useful and Sony DV camera that I kept far longer than I ever should have. All the other FireWire devices I’ve had died or were retired.

[@arvidpersch9406]

I want to Run Windows and not Mac on my 2008 Mac Pro... I know that the best CPU Upgrade possible is to Upgrade to 2 Intel Xeon X5482 but the GPU is still making me trip. if I run the Mac with Windows and do the GPU Energy Mod can I install every Moderen GPU or is the AMD Radeon VII 16 GB HMB2 the best one I can put in my Mac?

[@dmug]

You'd need to check on OCLP's support for modern GPUs, I don't know if they support Big Navi yet. The way the OCLP and OpenCore guys have been going, it's likely a matter of time. At that point you'd be able to run a 6900 XT if you really wanted although I'd suggest at that point at least upgrading to a 5,1 as even the single CPU 6-Core 3.46 GHz run circles around the best configured 3,1.

[@tomluptowski]

Installed Sonoma on my 2012 Mini and 2013 iMac. Everything seemed to be working great until I discovered none of my streaming services work. Seems like a DRM issue. Apple Music and TV work fine but Netflix, Prime, Disney+ will not play videos. I thought KZbin was ok but when I try one of their movies with ads they won't play either. Anyone else have this problem or know a fix? It's a shame because everything else is great.

[@dmug]

I didn’t think to try Netflix or HBO max. I’d check on the course specific forum like Reddit or Mac rumors. There is an open core guys like Mr. Macintosh and Jessie’s flying who might have the answer in one of their vids too.

[@tomluptowski]

@@dmug Turns out they all stream fine with Brave Browser with "wide vine" set on but don't work on Safari, Crome or Firefox

[@tomluptowski]

I found listed in issues on the Open Core site that apples FairPlay drm does not work but Widevine in other browsers does, I switched to Brave @@channelname9843

[@thorium9190]

Rendering issues in apps with open core legacy patcher is due to non metal supported gpus using the driver patches from OCLP. If you have a metal supported gpu, almost everything will work well

[@jero_lead]

Not clear how you booted from a GTX and seeing the booting... exactly my problem with my 780 TI : /

[@josemedeiros007]

Great job making the video Greg, I didn't think OS X Sonoma would run a on a 3,1 Mac Pro.

[@cypriensoisse4097]

Hello, On the MacPro 5.1, is the Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 compatible with Sequoia? Does OCLP take this card into account? Thank you in advance for your feedback Cyp

[@jasango]

I have problems with the audio device..with any DAW or professional audio app with a lot of glitches. Mac pro 2009 with firmware upgrade to 2010. Any idea? Regards.

[@colinmaxwell4221]

I have a 2008 mac computer running snow leopard 10.6.8. I downloaded the El captian dmg from your blog, but when I try to open it it gives me the error: "InstallMacOSx.dmg not recognized" and "The following disk images couldn't be opened". Is there something I am doing wrong?

[@Yorkshiremick]

Bluetooth and usb still not working for me even after post install root patch 😢

[@petertschann-grimm8442]

I can't get to the Native Boot selector. I hold down option and this results in a blank screen...! on an early 2009 flashed 5,1 firmware

[@dmug]

I’m guessing you’re not using a gpu that supports an efi boot screen

[@petertschann-grimm8442]

@@dmug I upgraded it to a Radeon gpu, which was working great. But the latest is that I reset the NVRAM, and now I can't get into the OS at all, all I get is the black screen w/ a circle with a line through it, and the machine turns off :(

[@dmug]

Gonna have to dig out an old gpu to set your default boot device as opencoee by control click from the efi screen. There’s also firmware hacks now for the Mac Pro to support a boot screen.

[@annonymouspotato-io8jz]

I am running the same exact computer but using an RX 580 4GB and 6GB of ram. runs with no problem, aside from bluetooth not working, and my superdrive not working. Also, about the 4K video, this specific Mac used dual link DVI and this is likely why it can output 4k 30Hz. The Apple Cinema Display HD 30" had a resolution of 2560x1600 at 60 Hz and the only way this was possible at the time was by using dual link DVI.

[@bookaboymusic]

Sonoma works great with my original non metal graphics for the Mac Pro 5,1 but it lags big time with my metal graphics card. I cannot get any of the motion screen savers to work and the screen displays upside down before switching to normal view. Anyone knows the fix to this issue. Help me please.

[@Taras-Nabad]

Are the GPU power connectors on the 3,1 considered "mini 6 pin" or standard? They look much bigger then the ones on the 5,1 which are definitely "mini 6 pin."

[@dmug]

They’re all the same, unless you have have a prototype motherboard variant but those have red boards and all bets are off.

[@dynahzm]

Why did OS X end after 10.11? 10.12 seems so random. It would make more sense is the OS X oses went up to catalina lol

[@testator1653]

Hello Congratulation for your video I have a boot loop problem before the Sonoma installation is complete. Indeed, the installation is carried out up to 14% and then the mac restarts and I systematically return to the page which allows me to reinstall Sonoma. I read that on some old Macs there was this problem Do you have an idea to get around this and allow me to install Sonoma all the way? Thank you for your reply

[@breakinggames6356]

A general rule of thumb with unsupported macs is you should stay one version behind so because macOS Sequoia is coming out soon I would say you will be fine to go to Sonoma soon its way I am with my current setup still on Ventura until the fall

[@ahmadkhaled7497]

How about trying out Elementary os?

[@yusun3346]

Thanks for another great video Greg, i am facing an issue of cannot enable hardware acceleration on Mac Pro 5,1 with MSI Vega 56 air boost on Sonoma and OCLP 1.3.0. BTW, from iStats Menu reading, the Vega 56 only have constant 500 MHz memory clock. Any thoughts would be appreciated

[@thorium9190]

Saw 3 Mac Pros for sale for 50AUD (32USD) decided to pick them up. Turns out 2 of them were high end powermac g5s with liquid cooling that both leaked and corroded themselves to oblivion. The final mac was luckily a 2008 mac pro (so glad not 2006-2007) with dual 2.8ghz cpus much like what you have. The ram was missing so i have ordered that and i will be adding a spare RX 570 into it. Hopefully it works!!!!! Looks to be in decent condition

[@dmug]

Dunno if you know this one but a cheat code for identifying G5s, one cd drive and two fans on the back. 800 MHz ddr2 ecc ram is kinda rare but 677 is common and it’ll accept that. Won’t set the world on on fire but it should work pretty well.

[@alejandrohernandezperez3734]

Hello, I have a Mac Pro 4.1, I want to install Monterey, it reaches the end of the first part of the installation, but in the process of repeated reboots, the final window never appears. Why does this happen to me? Do you know of any solution?

[@dmug]

Are you selecting the HDD or the installer? After the first reboot you need to keep selecting the hdd, there’s about a total of 6 restarts or so.

[@alejandrohernandezperez3734]

​@@dmug I don't play anything, but he does pick up the record. Loads the bar with the apple with a black background and restarts constantly, but the finish installation menu does not appear

[@Samantha-AnneHarila]

Dual link dvi will do 4k as the old 30 monitors 2580x1600

[@scurbdubdub2555]

No Man’s Sky is 100% a GPU issue, it runs perfectly fine on my Mac Pro 4.1 > 5,1 with a W5700 and two X5550s on MacOS Monterey.

[@dmug]

Could be sse 4,1 still

[@blakplanit]

Hi, I have a 2008 running Yosemite. How long does it take to update to El capitain after the installer restarts the computer?

[@abdurrahman89876]

Hi there, thanks for your great videos ☺ may I ask you if you edit your videos on Final Cut, what's the plugin you use for the benchmarks numbers you show in the video ?

[@dmug]

I use fcpx and numbers for the benchmark graphics

[@abdurrahman89876]

@@dmug Thank you so much 😊 Sorry if I'm bothering you but can you give me more details ? Or if you know a video explaining it on KZbin

[@dmug]

@@abdurrahman89876actually I meant Keynote. Search for keynote animated graphs. When you figure that out, you can then use export to video.

[@abdurrahman89876]

@@dmug Oh that makes sense now, thank you so much 😊

[@waldfruchttee]

you could upgrade your mac to 32gb ram (my dad has done it all tho the temps on the lower ram card can get a little high on his)

[@deleoa1]

my question since I am not to technical. is it good to install OpenCore Legacy on my Mac ??

[@dmug]

A general rule if you’re using a Mac made after 2015, it’ll run modern macOS just fine.

[@jollymon6672]

Great video, any recommendations on the Best GPU the 2008 Mac Pro can support? I have been struggling for the last two days to get Sonoma installed, but I believe it is because I am trying to use an NVMe drive on a PCI card. I also tried a 4tb SSD on a PCI card, but I get a message that it is not supported. I don't get that on the NVMe (when it actually shows up). I thought the EFI added support for NVMe/SSD, but perhaps I misread. I maxed out my 2008 and 2010 Mac Pros. The 2010 upgraded much more cleanly. My 2013 Mac Pro was way too. I cannot get a iMac 14,2 to work though.

[@scjgreen]

Can i Upgrade from Monterey to Sonoma on a 4,1 flashed to a 5,1? GPU will be an RX570 8GB

[@dkmillares]

A pleasurable video 😋

[@kreuner11]

The DVI-to-HDMI cable may be outputting 4K if the only thing stopping the GPU from supporting HDMI is the port. The adapter you're using is likely just passive, which means it rewires the DVI plug into HDMI. If the card can support extra HDMI features it can just output them over the existing DVI plug. You should check if it's outputting audio too

[@kreuner11]

This should also go both ways IIRC, plugging and HDMI device into a DVI display will negotiate back down to the DVI standard

[@CoolStuffZone]

Good work keeping those landfills from over flowing and sticking it to the man. Also, can anybody really tell the difference between 1080p and 4K on a 15 inch laptop screen. Just how much resolution can the human eye process???

[@miguimau]

Great video, Greg, you are a legend. And Jeff is gorgeous. I have High Sierra + Mojave (Dosdude1's courtesy) in my 3,1 with an EFI bootable GTX 680 2 GB. If I install the Opencore in a spare SSD and the original boot will remain working if I remove that Sonoma OCLP drive? Sorry, I'm lost with these thangs… Hmm I have a BT + wifi card somewhere, now I gotta try this.

[@dmug]

Yep, OpenCore won’t break any other installs of OS X.

[@miguimau]

Cool, thank you!! @@dmug

[@Steampunk_Star_Raisin]

I didn't think the 2008 Mac Pro could support Nvme...

[@dmug]

There's multiple vectors: forums.macrumors.com/threads/mac-pro-3-1-nvme-support-upgrade-guide-questions.2194878/

[@fusionsuper]

Keeps saying it quits unexpectedly. What should I do about it?

[@Mbro-dq2do]

Gregs 12 inch Macbook. I got one of those. 2017. 16GB RAM 512 ssd. Run baremetal linux on it. stays 50 degrees cooler and runs like abeast. Arch linux based distro called Garuda. i got the gold one. Greg great open core videos bro. thanks

[@james_s60]

No drivers for 760 (or anything Nvidia) past high sierra right? How did you get GPU accel working?

[@dmug]

Not entirely, Kepler chipsets were supported in 10.14 and 10.15 thus they have Metal 2 drivers. OpenCore injects those into later macOS builds.

[@james_s60]

@@dmugOh very nice! So given some 700 was kepler, some was maxwell, does this mean maxwell is also supported? If so you could use a 980? I guess Pascal onwards is a hard no

[@dmug]

@@james_s60nope just Kepler

[@MrCooper83]

Another great video! Have you still got a 5.1 Mac Pro? Im thinking to update it to Sonoma or Monterey. Should I wait?

[@dmug]

I sold mine off during the pandemic to fund my 7,1 purchase (along with old GPUs and some other gear). Monterey is rock solid on any machine I've put it on. Plus, I think it still works with the latest versions of Pixelmator Pro, Logic and FCPX. Worked great with my 3,1 when I used it. My 2008 these days is just my experimental machine. I'd just make sure before installing all your hardware and software that you rely on is Monterey compatible You can always try your hand at Sonoma or Ventura but Monterey is just the safe bet OS. It's the only Mac didn't want to part with since I bought it 2008 and it wasn't worth really the effort to sell even during the pandemic. It was only worth about $100-150 because half the ram went bad (hence 8 GB) and the GPU even during the GPU crisis was never worth more than like $30.

[@MrCooper83]

@@dmug Thanks for the tip Greg! Ill sort it out later on today then!

[@mauriziomondello9643]

ho installato Sonoma su iMac 21,5 anno 2011,, non visualizza i dispositivi Bluetooth,

[@floogulinc]

Your GPU is possibly outputting HDMI 1.4 over the DVI connector since they're electrically compatible and apparently some GPUs did support using the DVI port as true HDMI.

[@dmug]

I had that thought. If my monitor actually display bit stream info (it has a pane for it) that’d help quite a bit.

[@hu5116]

I’m running 2008 8-core 3,1 with 32 GB RAM, and a OWC 6 Gbps SSD on Acelcior PCI card (plugged into the other PCI 2 slot), and a GTX 680 (4 GB). I’ve been using DosDude1 Catalina patcher. Only thing that doesn’t work is WiFi (because I still have the old original WiFi Bluetooth card in it, but Bluetooth words fine and I use Ethernet for web), and I can only seem to use 1 DVI port and the HDMI port off the GTX 680. If anyone knows why my GTX 680 can’t use the other two ports on the card, I would love know why. I’m thinking to change over to OpenCore to get a newer system.

[@soosay]

You can’t use the display port on gtx680 in Catalina as apple dropped support for NVIDIA web drivers

[@tobyglyn]

Great video! You should have also calculated what cost and how long it takes to upgrade or replace a failed SSD compared to your M series Mac :)

[@rilikitsme]

can help me? I have Imac 8.1 not work sound

[@dmug]

I’m not an expert on the iMacs, I’d suggest looking at the support docs for OpenCore and checking in the open core groups

[@bernRA]

after your previous open core 2008 3,1 vid, I installed Monterey on my 3,1. works great. but 3,1 has 4 HD bays... I then (to get the screen saver) I tried Sonoma (and Ventura). keyboards and mice only partially worked and I was unable to choose install. not a big deal, but WTF? any thoughts?

[@dmug]

Did you use a USB 2.0 hub between your mouse and keyboard to install? It's required for OpenCore since USB 1.1 support was dropped. You can get it back by running the post-installer after macOS is installed.

[@bernRA]

does plugging in a USB2 or 3 hub to the 3,1 USB ports work? @@dmug

[@bernRA]

do you mean I need a PCI USB2.0 card as a hub? @@dmug

[@dmug]

@@bernRA Nope, just a hub, OCLP documentation explains it more detail but the short answer is a USB2.0+ hub will negotiate a USB 2.0 connection as the drivers were removed in for older USB1.1 chipsets. Those need to be installed with the post installer.

[@bernRA]

worked great, btw. I've got Monterey (my favourite) and Sonoma on the 3,1 now. for some reason bookmarks won't sync in Monterey in Safari (when I try to manually update, its says that its synching). Weirdly the book marks work in Sonoma, but not iMessage ;). USAGE app works on both; the 3,1 gets up to 200F pretty easily! @@dmug

[@laoo]

could i do this with a 2005 mac mini?😭 at least to big sur or something? or should i just downgrade it because i don't like el capitan

[@dmug]

OpenCore lists compatibility but due to the 32 bit efi it’s unlikely to be supported

[@adinnugroho6544]

This Mac OS feel like using Linux based OS. Maybe Ubuntu for example 😅

[@skip741x3]

ive used sonoma on mac pro 5,1 /12 core/64gb ram,nvme/rx570 card and it works great....also sonoma on a lowly macbook pro 13" 2011...works nice on this as well though hw h264 decoding doesnt work...

[@dmug]

Yeah sadly we’ll never see hardware decoding for old GPUs as those drivers were never written unless some mad genius was able to write custom drivers which I’d place as very unlikely.

[@capellan2000]

This is surprising. A real eye opener. Could this be possible because the particular Unix OS Architecture? Now that I think about it, I do not remember have read or seen anything about the reasons behind the design choices of Unix OS architecture... 🤔

[@dmug]

Having a familiar operating system architecture has a lot of similarities to *nix helps but running an operating system on unsupported hard hardware isn’t to macOS. People have been doing this with windows for sometime and currently are doing the same with Windows 11 on older the hardware. With macOS Apple prematurely, dropped a bunch of hardware on arbitrary conditions. That’s why you can hack in support for these old computers. There really isn’t anything in modern macOS beyond a few CPU instructions and apple, not updating GPU drivers and including drivers for older hardware Iike network adapters and usb 1.1. Is frustrating because there’s really not a strong reason other than planned obsolescence why people should be able to run modern macOS on a Mac release from 2012.

[@AndresValdez54235]

Hi Greg, a follow up question. With OpenCore legacy patcher I get my boot screen, great, there can I boot different (mac) OS, Will that include windows and linux?

[@dmug]

You’ll need to install OSes in UEFI mode for OpenCore or modify the OSes.

[@AndresValdez54235]

@@dmug Follow up question... You are using sonoma with an Nvidia GPU... That means you got the drivers or OCLP was able to patch them?

[@dmug]

@@AndresValdez54235 only the GeForce Kepler GPUs can have the drivers patched in. I happen to have a GeForce 760 which a Kepler card. It also means metal 2 support but not 3

[@AndresValdez54235]

@@dmug That means my Quadro P2000 or my gtx 1050TI wont work?

[@rodrigo4379]

Still use one with the maxed out dual CPUs and an RX590

[@violentblue123]

just recently acquired a Mac Pro 3.1, with dual 3.0ghz processors. upgraded ram to 48gb (bought 64, but one memory riser has an issue) and now running Catalina. it refuses to run Bootcamp (does not install and screws up boot) will not run Virtual box. this is a big issue as I have to run AutoCAD and spending another $1500 on annual licensing is not working for me when I dont use any features above AC2000 (ans have paid for multiple licences from from 2000, 2002, Lt etc up to 2007 which is perfect for my needs). is there a method to use OCLP to run windows? any version would be fine, I would be done with windows completely except for AutoCAD. frusterated old man here, would love to move to mac, but recent attempts to use AutoCAD for mac have turned me off.

[@dmug]

If you are trying to install boot camp via the boot camp utility… don’t. I used vista, 7, 8and 10 on my 3,1. Use a separate drive and install via the native installer (use legacy bios by burning to a dvd if not using open core or use uefi mode by making a usb installer). Then use brigadier (on GitHub) to install the drivers so you can force windows 10 to install the iMac Pro’s boot camp picker. I’ve never used CAD so zero input there :/ I’ve used a lot of software as web developer and UX dev, hobbyist musician and once upon a time post production contractor for a few tv shows but CAD and 3D printing I’m amateur hour .

[@nickweiss2327]

I don't understand. I can't get any kb or mouse how did you even use it?

[@dmug]

You can, I mentioned in this video how you need to use a usb 2.0 hub and plug your devices into it until you do the OpenCore post install hacks that enable usb 1.1

[@ArjanvanVught]

macOS 14 Sonoma is for ARM Mac's only...right? so why does it run on an Intel?

[@dmug]

Apple probably has a few more releases that'll support Intel. The big theory as of late is 2026 or 2027 will be when Apple drops support for Intel Macs as the last Intel Macs were released in 2020 and sold until 2021.

[@ryanzmuda3167]

I would put 16 gb ram in what ssds did you use.

[@dmug]

DDR2 800 MHz ECC is weirdly expensive. I have a follow up video coming though where I do upgrade it on the cheap.

[@NicolasElie]

I upgraded my Mac Mini from 2012 with Sonoma and OCLP, and it works just fine. It's my every day computer ( it's the only one) and it's ok. Apple could do the same but it is to much computers and they prefer to sell new ones...

[@Macloud80]

Sorry, but does Sonoma really have Nvidia support? Where did you get the driver for the video card? Thank you

[@dmug]

macOS had kepler gpu support baked into it some time ago with Metal 2 support as Apple had laptops with kepler based GPUs. Those are the only Nvidia GPUs that received metal drivers. OCLP uses it's magic to force load those in modern macOS.

[@iPodGuru]

So with OCLP it can allow support with the GTX 760? On Big Sur?

[@dmug]

Yeah, in the video I run Big Sur with the G4 760 for just a little bit.

[@asanseil5553]

I keep losing my keyboard and mouse on the boot loading screen after I make the USB installer. Ugh.

[@dmug]

You need a usb 2.0 hub and you need to plug them into that

[@asanseil5553]

Thanks. I will grab one pronto. @@dmug

[@asanseil5553]

Okay it worked. Mac Pro 3,1 2008 up and running Sonoma. :) Maps not loading. Gotta play around with it now. @@dmug

[@dmug]

@@asanseil5553nice and did you run the post install for open core?

[@asanseil5553]

@@dmug I finally did. Still no maps loading nor weather maps in the weather app. I'm using the stock GPU (ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT) so that could be why.

[@danlivas]

This is why we still purchase cheesegraters after 15 years!

[@ladeluff_]

Just a quick follow-up Greg. I´m now running Sonoma 14.2 with OCLP 1.3.0 on a Mac Pro 3.1, SATA SSD, 32GB RAM, GTX 680 2GB. It really flies now. (Had to hold back on the GTX 1060 6GB to High Sierra. those damn web drivers. you hear me Nvidia? :P

[@dmug]

Apple black listed Nvidia's ability to sign code so never gonna happen. :/

[@jperih]

Did the Xcode iOS Simulator work on the Mac Pro?

[@dmug]

Didn't try it. I'd guess "yes".

[@jperih]

It may actually not… last time I tried OCL on a hackintosh, the simulator was a black screen; I’m thinking it uses Metal 3