There's one thing you failed to consider with Tobirama's generation. Madara wouldn't play with Tobirama like he does with the Kage in the canon fight. I mean, he might still play with him in a way, but more in the 'make him suffer as much as possible before he dies' way. More than anyone else, Tobirama is the object of Madara's hatred.
@GlacierRainАй бұрын
you got a good point there
@QuellenforschungАй бұрын
knowitalls love to use 'failed' lol
@dumbweasel8251Ай бұрын
@@QuellenforschungYou failed to consider whether he truly knows it all.
@QuellenforschungАй бұрын
@@dumbweasel8251 🥱
@larrywest1206Ай бұрын
You fail to consider the fact that tobirama and also minato can just teleport the dust release users to instant KO madara
@devonm042690Ай бұрын
Onoki in Hiruzen's era is by no means equivalent to Onoki in Tsunade's era. In the canon fight, Onoki's decades of battle experience was the biggest advantage he brought to the field, even bigger than being a wielder of Dust Release. Madara even noted how much of a problem his 'wisdom in battle' was.
@mitchellphillips916629 күн бұрын
Wisdom has a stamina cost Onoki had the chakra battery Tsunade
@DraxeidАй бұрын
I genuinely don't think the whole Tobirama sacrificing himself to use the Tandem Paper Bombs makes sense, quite literally just use a goddamn shadow clone for it like whats up with everyone xD
@KamranCreatesАй бұрын
Tobirama has to stab a hand in his chest to pull the tandem bombs out of his body. If he tried that with a shadow clone it would disappear from the damage before he could use it.
@larrywest1206Ай бұрын
@@KamranCreateshey buddy did you forget that tobirama can teleport mu to use particle style without worry?
@Archer170Ай бұрын
@@KamranCreatesSince Hiruzen mentioned tandem is his specialty it means he likely has edo tensi to summon to the battle field.No sacrifice needed.Plus his clones should be relative or faster than madara if hes alive.So mu can easily be escorted by tobirama’s clone.I’d honestly give them a 5/10 chance just because 2 kage are so mysterious.
@yamamotogotbodied1606Ай бұрын
I hereby dub you the versus topic God lmao. This is a super right in your face video idea that no one notable has done at least in the way you set it up nor to the degree of accuracy you have. W video imma go ahead and like it up before even starting because the Kamran Brand guarantees fire.
@KamranCreatesАй бұрын
I appreciate that man, glad you enjoy the content!
@animegraveyard776Ай бұрын
@@KamranCreates storm 3's fight would've been cool in the anime if the game came out second.
@callum9500Ай бұрын
It’s silly to say hashirama would lose when he’s backed up by 4 other Kage which must be the best from their village.
@CJ-111Ай бұрын
I will say one thing about Hiruzen. He does know a massive range of sealing jutsu. Wether they are powerful enough to work is another thing. I agree with everything else to that point though, even though there might not be that much of a difference
@koba4691Ай бұрын
Hiruzen knew of Reaper Death Seal, so sealing most likely isn't really a problem indeed.
@CJ-111Ай бұрын
@koba4691 he struggled to seal Orpchimaru with it though. I don't think a win is guaranteed then
@SamUHellsАй бұрын
@@CJ-111after battling orochimaru, the first and second hokages, sealing both hokages, that’s when he struggled. not like he was full strength by then.
@koba4691Ай бұрын
@@CJ-111 Because that was Hiruzen in old age, where it was blatantly said that if he'd be younger then the entire thing would have had a different outcome.
@CJ-111Ай бұрын
@@SamUHells I guess you could argue that sealing the first two hokage drained his stamina
@RyokoEarthАй бұрын
Great vid, loved the watch. One thing I wanted to note is the reaper death seal for minato. I think it is possible that it’s strong enough to pierce the reaper death seal, it would seal away madara and only minato would die. He wouldn’t even need to teleport allies away first like tobirama self sacrifice, so they could continue to support, and we know for a fact he is willing to use it when times are dire, and an edo madara that’s been casually dog walking like a quarter of the shinobi world mostly solo would definitely fit the bill I think
@kevinjohnson1669Ай бұрын
I think vastly underestimated the 3rd Raikage power scaling arsenal. He’d pose the biggest threat against Madara, through techniques you didn’t mention and his sealing tools. Also, Ay and Minato’s foot speed is equivalent to one another as stated in the databook. So, a lightened Minato is the same as a lightened Ay.
@walkytalkypodcastАй бұрын
Hey brotha, we gotta get you on the pod at some point. Hard to imagine we havent already!
@sageofthickcalvesАй бұрын
Guaranteed BANGER
@kayjay7306Ай бұрын
This is one of the coolest video ideas I've heard
@___________0Z0XАй бұрын
Really interesting video man! I enjoyed hearing your takes.
@VinceVGRYTАй бұрын
I know this video only dropped an hour ago, but this video is MASSIVELY underrated
@Arcadia_warlicАй бұрын
I think Sandaime Kazekage coating Enma with iron sand, and Ōnoki making Enma heavier on the down-swing (as he did with A) would, as a combined offensive, be able to pierce even higher stages of the Susanoo.
@kadorassaw1326Ай бұрын
Mu particle style and tobirama flying raijin will be op af
@Mark-f2i1zАй бұрын
Yagura can easily counter the perfect sussano with his water reflection/mirror. It would literally create one back and give them the edge. The 4th generation of kage wins
@KamranCreatesАй бұрын
In order for Yagura to be able to replicate the Perfect Susanoo the water mirror would have to be as big as a literal mountain which I don’t think is realistic. Plus, there’s also the issue I mentioned in the video about the mirrors still being powered by Yagura’s own chakra, which means they probably aren’t strong enough to make Madara’s Perfect Susanoo.
@MementoMoriIlluminatusDrStrangАй бұрын
If that was so easy he could do that agains the Akatsuki and he would be alive, but he is dead
@MAD-kn3rbАй бұрын
@@MementoMoriIlluminatusDrStrang Name the akatsuki member that beat him rq
@Mark-f2i1zАй бұрын
@KamranCreates There is no indication that there is a size li.it to how big the reflection in the water mirror can get. And it's description makes it clear that it should be able to copy the susanno, just based on its description. It is a literal mirror. Furthermore, Yagura has a tailed beast, which means he very likely can create something that large. Tailed beasts are Chakra monsters. If Choji or his dad, can become mountain sized, while having less Chakra than a tailed beast, then I'm sure Yagura can create something that large also.
@MAD-kn3rbАй бұрын
@@KamranCreates why can’t he use tail beast chakra to make one that large?
@nqobanidlamini212Ай бұрын
Hashirama and Hiruzen know fuinjutsu though. Tobirama probably does too, the man created some crazy jutsu and that 4 kage seal they showcased in the war, chances are that he also has fuinjutsu strong enough to seal an edotensei. Shit, the man created the damn jutsu, so he should have/figure out a way of undoing it.
@hobbyhorse5848Ай бұрын
RIP to the third Mizukage. You don’t even have a databook entry.
@exequielbreton4393Ай бұрын
Both him and the third Kazekage doesn't even have a name
@hobbyhorse5848Ай бұрын
@@exequielbreton4393 At least the third Kazekage is on a databook page and we know his jutsu
@leelaadhar176721 күн бұрын
The third mizukage is the strongest mizukage @@hobbyhorse5848
@senjuuzima891Ай бұрын
I have a question. Why would rasa be considered relative to Gaara from that fight? Even if you take the databook statement into account, gaara dispatched him rather quickly. Not to mention rasa's sand was a clear counter to garras yet he lost so easily.
@hobbyhorse5848Ай бұрын
If we actually look at the context of what happened the answer is a pretty resounding yes. Rasa’s gold dust was the same speed as Gaara’s gourd sand, his fastest and most powerful, and they clashed equally repeatedly, they also both blocked eachother’s sand attacks as well so they are relative in defense. Rasa only lost as quick as he did because the Edo Tensei’s automatic reactions forced him to lift his gold dust to protect Gengetsu and the Third Raikage, leaving him exposed from below. Keep in mind Gaara was in the desert, a huge environmental advantage for him. Had they fought in a neutral battlefield Rasa might’ve dispatched of Gaara quickly, since Gaara starts limited to only what’s in his gourd while we saw Rasa clap his hands and summon a desert sized tsunami of gold. Gaara probably wouldn’t have been able to counter a huge quantity like that with his normally limited supply and would’ve been buried.
@senjuuzima891Ай бұрын
@@hobbyhorse5848 Hobby why cant you let me and gaara be great dammit😤
@senjuuzima891Ай бұрын
@@hobbyhorse5848 also for the "automatic defense" point i actually kinda disagree, I think rasa did that himself. It doesn't help me at all anyways but I don't think it was his automatic defense.
@hobbyhorse5848Ай бұрын
@@senjuuzima891 Hey I like Gaara too, but I gotta keep it 💯
@___________0Z0XАй бұрын
@@hobbyhorse5848 isn’t the last thing Rasa Thinks to himself before getting sealed “You’ve surpassed me Long ago.”?
@infamousmarkou4928Ай бұрын
“To boot “ tell me your Canadian without telling me your Canadian 😂
@KamranCreatesАй бұрын
You got me lmao
@kernlove198618 күн бұрын
People in the English speaking Caribbean say that too.
@4dojo23 күн бұрын
It always kinda bothered me how hashirama is just insanely stronger than Madara, his brother, all other kage, and almost everyone in the original series. It just felt like it made all the other characters in the series feel less impressive by comparison.
@ADM.II.10 күн бұрын
@Kamran• You forgot to mention that the third and fourth raikage could use the Kohaku no Johei in battle, though Madara would have to answer the call, to be sealed away. Good vid nonetheless. Edit: The third and fourth raikage.
@IceflknАй бұрын
The 2nd Hokage created Edo Tensi and would hatch a plan to rewrite the tag in his head or use another of the built-in features. His super speed would definitely help him install the new tag.
@guythatgoesbythenamekay795418 күн бұрын
There's no proof you can overwrite Edo Tensei made by other person, especially considering Kabuto's is better
@HC-gm4foАй бұрын
The only thing about the last group is Madara knows everything about the yellow flash. He had zetsu follow him around and planned around him
@zeyyyboggieeАй бұрын
which means Madara knowledge of Minato gets absurdly disregarded as Minato gets far stronger as Hokage
@HC-gm4foАй бұрын
@@zeyyyboggiee yeah he probably doesn’t know about the guiding thunder
@prometheusmodelow8322Ай бұрын
@@zeyyyboggiee There's nothing that suggests he is far stronger, but this is irrelevant, the point is that he knows he is a FTG user and thus the element of suprise is completely gone and the FTG strategy is less likely.
@ladellcalhoun9415Ай бұрын
@@prometheusmodelow8322they said multiple times he got stronger 💀
@prometheusmodelow832229 күн бұрын
@@ladellcalhoun9415 I don't recall any instance where they said Hokage Minato was far stronger than he was when Rin died, you mind pointing out which chapter it is said?
@TheCEOofTheMomentАй бұрын
Good video!
@KamranCreatesАй бұрын
I'm glad you enjoyed it!
@HotChocolate_LoveАй бұрын
i think it really goes to show just how much hashirama is above literally everyone in the verse (not including 6 paths characters). Like, Even Minato's generation, who is undoubtedly the third strongest hogake of all time (behind naruto and hashirama), doesn't really stand a chance against hashirama's rival, who by all means was weaker than hashirama even after getting a rinnegan. He is also the same guy who was absolutely dogging madara AND the nine tails at the same time while not even really trying, seeing as he only went to killing as an option after HOURS of fighting against someone who can reverse time. It's actually crazy
@TommieCobbАй бұрын
The Madara Glaze is just absurd.
@animegamerjace98512 күн бұрын
You should’ve included the Boruto era Five Kage
@___________0Z0XАй бұрын
Small nitpick, The number of tales does not correlate with the strength of the tailed beast. The only fact that we know is that the nine tails is the strongest and the eight tails is the second strongest. The rest of them are up in the air.
@oussdz9921 күн бұрын
16:13 gaara desteoyed his father in like 2 min bro 💀 he was waaaaay stronger than him , and he was already the strongest kazekage
@Steven-rk3kyАй бұрын
Fire topic
@tynoArcherАй бұрын
Big disrespect to Minato, Speed beats Strength even if it's just a bit it can make the difference, I think even if not at the beggining Minato would find a way to tag him most of the times considering he is implied to be one of the best strategists and THE best tactician in the verse, so, alone he would be relative to Madara. I would say 5/10 Minato alone and 7/10 with the other Kage you mentioned.
@grandcanyon-d4dАй бұрын
Minato said he's not good at sage mode and Madara kept up with sage Hashirama
@Christo_TrismegistusАй бұрын
Minato does not have the attack potency to beat Madara. He could tag Madara all day but it would not do any damage to him
@tynoArcherАй бұрын
@@Christo_Trismegistus He doesnt need raw strength if he can seal him
@Kyle-zb6jy22 күн бұрын
lol f no, bro said minato would win 5/10 fights by himself 😂
@tynoArcher22 күн бұрын
@@Kyle-zb6jy It´s a matter of wether or not Minato's Speed would allow him to survive long enough Madara's attacks until he gets the chance to tag madara and then seal him. That's a coin toss, IMHO ofc
@jonart8433Ай бұрын
Thos video is basically which Hokage makes a difference lol
@komlat253Ай бұрын
Haah basically
@dotmurdaАй бұрын
It's been stated, Izuna, Madara and Tobirama were all the same strength... edo madara being nerfed means Tobirama is stronger, plus Tobirama has experience fighting Madara's eternal full bodied susanoo and survived... he'll handle madara
@guythatgoesbythenamekay795418 күн бұрын
Its Never stated that they were same strength? Only version claiming Madara>=
@Redoren966Ай бұрын
Reminder Madara knows Minato has ftg as he trained Obito and has zetsu who specifically calls Minato the yellow flash
@RA1JIN07Ай бұрын
he was dead by the time obito fught minato and him knowing his nickname doesnn't mean he knows abt ftg
@guythatgoesbythenamekay795420 күн бұрын
Madara died shortly before end of 3rd great Ninja war. Minato has been using FTG back during one shot, which is way before It finished. And Madara was spectating Minato and his team in order to groom Obito@@RA1JIN07
@RA1JIN0718 күн бұрын
@@guythatgoesbythenamekay7954 doesnt mean he knows abt minato as the most he wouldve heard is roumers of the yelow flash
@guythatgoesbythenamekay795418 күн бұрын
@@RA1JIN07 Minato literally started using it as start of Great Ninja War, Obito knew of FTG during the fight, obviously Madara would learn in some way. He literally spied on team Minato using Zstsu, and we know Minato spammed ftg.
@SweetlesishereАй бұрын
20:13 they could reaper death seal Madara if they can restrain him for a moment. He probably won’t be sealed by this but the sealing team could activate. Also even the third Kazekage should have similar sealing techniques to Gara’s
@evertonferreira64014 күн бұрын
Muu used his partycle style while invisible in the anime and eliminated one of Ohnoki's earth clones don't know about the manga though
@davonbridgett9671Ай бұрын
Okay, let me sit down and take a listen 🎧
@bishopdaking717Ай бұрын
Good video, all correct outcomes I even agree with the W/L ratios but I think u were giving Minato a little too much credit.
@aceplunderАй бұрын
Hiruzen has sealing he literally died using it or does the reaper death seal not count I mean the man learned every jutsu of the leaf he has sealing jutsu
@KamranCreatesАй бұрын
Hiruzen definitely does have sealing jutsu I just don’t think they’re powerful enough to work on someone as strong as Madara
@haloplayer43924 күн бұрын
Even with the Minato statement you didn’t add the fact of that’s when he first used the rasagan when he was at least 12-14 also so it’s gotten even better!! Also Minatos a perfect sage
@Chad-jy9ukАй бұрын
the boruto kage stomp
@ahkwaheartАй бұрын
literally
@giannixxАй бұрын
Damn, lightened boulder Minato would go hard. Since Edo Madara can casually react to KCM2 Naruto, I don't think Minato would be able to blitz him, but would probably be relative to him and Madara would need to lock in to properly react to that combo.
@MrJAMESTAKERАй бұрын
Minato is faster than that
@Archer170Ай бұрын
He’d just stay in his susano Minato can’t break it.
@MrJAMESTAKERАй бұрын
@@Archer170 his suanoo wouldn’t matter
@grandcanyon-d4dАй бұрын
@@MrJAMESTAKERstill not beating Madara
@Jsipki265Ай бұрын
@@Archer170He definitely can especially in his sunaoo’s lower forms
@MrSebastionMАй бұрын
I was fully with you until you referred to the Minato rasengan vs TBB, due to that happening in the mind-scape. The entire fight is an internal chakra battle, similar to Naruto vs Kurama.
@koalteufel7947Ай бұрын
Great video! A small note though, I'm fairly sure Yagura isn't really a perfect jinchuriki, he has perfect control over his biju.
@hobbyhorse5848Ай бұрын
It’s one of those potato potato situations, I don’t think it effects his attack power at all just his ability break genjutsu
@koalteufel7947Ай бұрын
@@hobbyhorse5848 Note that he was never broken out of genjutsu by that beast.
@koalteufel7947Ай бұрын
@@hobbyhorse5848 kind of a key difference turns out lol
@RizzSpectMYnAME-w5tАй бұрын
The crazy part when he both got the sage powers and senju chakra he said the same thing , that this is it? And that this level of power isn’t hard to harness and master. To let u kno how much bro is different even for sage chakra and six paths chakra and senju chakra. Then he surpasses six paths, and Got kaguya power/ . Because the six paths did say he close to him in power when Madara only had one rinnegan in his six pathsbmode . But the sage said Madara is trying to reach “his mother’s power.” And then Madara went on to get not only his other eye, but also the god tree and the rinnesharingan. I believe that’s when he became otsosuki level. Sasuke don’t have the rinnesharingan, because the rinnesharingan is red , he just has an upgraded rinnegan. Him and Naruto stood no chance if the battle was supposed to go on
@minatouchiha997110 күн бұрын
1:52 for the record minato isnt the only one with sealing/Binding Jutsu 2ndly Minato has more sealing jutsu than jst the reapers death seal. Kushina literally Said minato learned alot of different sealing jutsu. Even saying the night of the 9 tails attack she said minato why are you using that sealing jutsu- he needed to split the ninetails before putting it in naruto and that was the only one that could do both jobs at once under the little time he was working with.
@gabeacosta594Ай бұрын
Tobirama is the one who developed both edo tensed and reaper death seal.
@KamranCreatesАй бұрын
Tobirama didn’t develop Reaper Death Seal. It was actually an Uzumaki clan sealing jutsu!
@abdulaisiyoup3912Ай бұрын
@@KamranCreates typo, i think you meant to type reaper death seal here
@ElZopiАй бұрын
I'd love to see Fourth Raikage and Hokage vs non-Edo Madara at his living peak, when he had physical limitations
@guythatgoesbythenamekay795420 күн бұрын
alive Madara was stated physically stronger and faster than Edo Madara by Madara, Hashirama, Databook and volume cover
@Mj78398019 күн бұрын
I really wish fans of Madara and scalers would make 1 to 1, analogous, comparisons. Im not doubting Madara's strength, *When he was alive* , but his resurrected version is an infinite chakra zombie that has the cells and jutsu of the strongest hokage grafted onto him. If any of the Hokage he faced had infinite chakra, and access to the 1st jutsu the fight wouldn't be the same. Similarly if the Madara that actually lived faced them the fight would be different. Am i crazy to note these differences?
@guythatgoesbythenamekay795417 күн бұрын
EMS Madara is stated stronger than edo
@Mj78398017 күн бұрын
@guythatgoesbythenamekay7954 So you're saying sharingan is stronger than rinnegan? Makes 0 sense one of the win conditions removed by Madara having a new form was the ability to absorb jutsu afforded to him by the rinnegan. Another was his regeneration from being a edo zombie and having hashirama's cells. Can you explain any mechanism that would make EMS Madara stronger? He has more chakra now, can't die, has hashirama cells, can absorb jutsu with rinnegan, there are no categories where he's weaker
@guythatgoesbythenamekay795417 күн бұрын
@@Mj783980 1. Edo Tensei is physical nerf, we literally hear that from Hashirama, Tobirama and Madara himself. 2. Edo's don't have infinite chakra, it's misconception. Muu can use clones that split his chakra in 2, Hashirama can divide his chakra into other clones getting weaker etc. Edos have regenerating chakra, but their pool is smaller. So basically Minato as alive would have chakra pool of 10, and could make Rasengan with strength of 10, but Edo Minato has chakra pool of 5, but he quicker regenerates that pool. 3. Madara states that as Edo he fights worse due to not being bloodlusted/having no threat to his life. So when alive he would be better fighter, due to his fighting style being more refined. Tl;Dr, Hashi, Madara, Databook and volume cover confirm that Madara during his fight with Hashirama is stronger than Edo Tensei Madara. Which makes sense, cause he doesn't have real Rinegan, as noted by 2 tails. He can't summon Gedo Mazo, can't use Limbo clones and it's implied there's limit to how much chakra he can absorb(When he absorbs Rasenshuriken he says "Too much energy"). Moreso, he doesn't have his original EMS anymore, and we know that it's his EMS that makes him absurdly strong(Stated the more hate he experiences the stronger he gets, Tobirama calling him unstoppable)
@mossedmond9530Ай бұрын
20:14 dude best time too show your character talking. Amazing hand placement.
@gabeacosta594Ай бұрын
Tandem paper bombs, basically infinite paper bombs.
@iida.leppänenАй бұрын
Boruto era would absolutely destroy Madara 😭
@thebloxitier3551Ай бұрын
You somehow got a blue comment on KZbin.
@zwile40Ай бұрын
Lowkey Gaara from boruto might beat madara…..🫢
@kashfreegameАй бұрын
Boruto kage outside of Naruto aren’t perfect susano level.
@polartang250Ай бұрын
@@kashfreegameThey were holding their own with Kinshiki and he scales way above perfect Susanoo Madara
@kashfreegameАй бұрын
@@polartang250 from small scale attacks using taijutsu. Their level of Taijutsu isn’t destroying a perfect susano the same way jigen did.
@janthonybelk8553Ай бұрын
You know Madara is that much of a threat when even most of the eras of 5 kage cannot even stand up to him. That's even a 1 vs 5 of the greatest powerful Shinobi's of there era. It shows how powerful hashirama is when it takes only him to beat him he does not even need the other 4 kages. Also, it shows how powerful the 2nd raikage is that gingaku and kingaku not one of them became raikage yet they are so powerful that 4th raikage himself said he could not beat them. Yet, 20 of gingaku and kingaku forces beat Tobirama and that was not even gingaku and kingaku themselves that beat Tobirama. To add onto that gingaku and kingaku survived a fight against both Tobirama and the 2nd raikage when they ambushed their meeting and lived. Showering that both Tobirama and the 2nd raikage could not be Gingaku and Kingaku in a fight. Yet, Tobirama died to there henchmen/troops of the Gingaku force. The 2nd raikage is above 4th raikage in power. But, definitely not above the 3rd raikage in power. So, the 2nd raikage is in the middle in power. Just as to put it in perspective the 1st hokage is above the 2nd hokage but the 3rd hokage is above the 2nd hokage and maybe even the first hokage when the 3rd hokage was in his prime.
@OldFolkzАй бұрын
3:11 madara was playing around with hashirama while waiting to be revived. He can willingly activate the rods that were in hashirama but simply chose not to restrict Hashirama’s movements until he wanted to absorb his sage chakra . 12:06 also the strategy is actually bad. The sharingan/rinnegan can quite literally see chakra and beyond that is a sensor. So invisibility is not going to work. Tobirama also tired flying raijin on madara twice in the war and madara is jusr fast enough to counter. Also the susanoo genuinely has an instantaneous activation and it has a blowback effect if you're standing too close during activation so realistically madara is never getting tagged Tobirama's generation has 0 chance of victory
@cleaver3519Ай бұрын
hiruzen and minato both had sealing and so did gaaras father and the cloud village had sealing teams for the 8 tails
@bijuutamer729Ай бұрын
The second group is actually really funny because if you use some weird scaling it’s the equivalent of Ginkaku and Kinkaku with Muu and Gengetsu fighting Madara. The 2nd Kazekage really isn’t a factor here because all Kazekage’s besides Gaara scale below Sasori who didn’t even have his best puppet for obvious reasons. Your Muu scaling is a bit weird tho because while Ohnoki and Muu are comparable; Ohnoki is just flat out stronger once you realize the mental amps he got.
@Greatshadowfighter26 күн бұрын
Well, madara was really lucky he fought the weakest of all Kage generations, considering he was in a very weak state compared to his prime form.
@100nakpvp2Ай бұрын
When speaking about how to beat Madara. Hashirama is always the answer. I mean seriously. He came back with a stronger dojutsu, more experience(he was alive for a very long time after hashirama), he had hashirama cells, and finally he was an edo which actaully goes to his advantage because Hasirama will always have more passive regen cause he is made out of 100% Hashirama cells.(yes i did use the meme). And after all of those buffs and equalizing hax, one would think he'd surely win. Nope. Still losses.
@loslaynesАй бұрын
What about a Kage free-for-all or actually all the Kage vs Madara at once, actually have a fair fight for Madara finally, of course excluding Hashirama
@giannixxАй бұрын
Don't the Deity Gates get stronger to match their target though? When Tobirama blew them up in the war they weren't being used to restrain anything, doesn't this mean that they were in their weakest forrm and therefore wouldn't scale to the durability they had while holding down the Ten Tails or Edo Madara before he got revived?
@teddysama574524 күн бұрын
Except the 1st and 7th gen I assume? We don’t want to embarrass him
@zstriker1475Ай бұрын
personally and thats all you need to take it as though there precedence for it in the series i dont think madara literally sees through hashiramas wood clones and just knows which one is him its more of a soul read moment and he just knows hashirama so well he knows how hed handle it and therefore which one is him but for anybody else i dont think itd be so easy unless you just argue hashirama the best therefore anybody else would be worse hiding anyway but thats no fun
@ware8229Ай бұрын
Minato ftg reaper death seal also hiruzen deatj seap since the arm can fly out the user to the full kurma neck
@michaelwells1118Ай бұрын
The 3rd hokage has the reaper death seal
@frostbitttenАй бұрын
The last generation would obviously snap Madara in half. Even if we change Naruto to Shikamara, Boruto's scaling is ridiculous, they fought three Ootsutsuki and made a really good impression.
@kinglamby327925 күн бұрын
Niki being forced to put in work in 3 fights 😭
@kinglamby327925 күн бұрын
Onoki
@minatouchiha997110 күн бұрын
4:17 for the record his feats and the 10 puppets he made feats were stated in the sakura vs sasori fight the puppets aint weak 😂
@woojinbloo4420 күн бұрын
Edo Madara will slay all Kage groups when he uses that heinous 5v1 Susanoo Clones. Even if 1st Hokage is a direct counter to Madara, and since the other Kages in his era are all useless, he would still fight 25 Susanoo clones by himself.
@guythatgoesbythenamekay795418 күн бұрын
Alive Hashirama is stronger than his Edo Self. He literally could make more clones than Edo Madara😭😭😭
@mat_s245dlc23 күн бұрын
I love how nobody disagrees about Hashirama soloing Madara lol
@ImCelestАй бұрын
Madara negs the Boruto era 5 Kage
@cringewyrm6 күн бұрын
Circus is in town, I see
@ImCelest5 күн бұрын
@ you’re an idiot if you don’t think otherwise.
@RaidsageАй бұрын
He evaporates them
@leech525Ай бұрын
Where is the updated animated fight of the 5 kage and madara he uses in the video from ?
@KamranCreatesАй бұрын
It’s an ad from a Chinese Naruto phone game called “Naruto Mobile”
@pushpakgajbhiye683520 күн бұрын
Why can't tobirama use tandom paper bombs with his version of reanimation jutsu?
@reymartcosme858Ай бұрын
Hokage Minato can attack simultaneously while teleportating. Madara wouldn't be able to counter Minato once he gets marked with FTG. Making it a guaranteed win against Madara.
@grandcanyon-d4dАй бұрын
Madara kept up with sage Hashirama and has more chakra than Minato
@Archer170Ай бұрын
Problem is the KZbinr forgot Madara knows everything about Minato because if black zetsu.Honestly excluding Hashirama’s generation Tobirama’s has the best shot due to them both having speed and power to keep up.
@easyplayplaynocommentaryАй бұрын
30:03 Yes IT HAVE, he is too Slow, to Minato minato im Base is has fast has Naruto at the second Level Kyubi mode, now this + Flying Raijin LV1 and LV2, IS IMPOSSIBLE to Madara to do Anything about it
@kinghoenn3478Ай бұрын
Thing is with Madara, he was cheating hard. He never had that kind of power during his lifetime at the same moment. 1. He was an Edo Tensei. This means infinite chakra and he would heal from any wounds. 2. He was brought back to his physical prime when he died as a feeble old man who needed the Gedo providing life support. 3.He was amped up using Hashirama cells that he stole but only able to master once he was already an old man. 4. Sage Mode, also stolen from Hashirama and only able to use because of said stolen cells. 5. The Rennigan was something he only had by the time he was an old man not ever during his prime.
@giannixxАй бұрын
Yes, Edo Madara had more hax. However, having infinitely regenerating chakra doesn't really make a difference since while alive he was able to fight Hashirama for a whole day if not more. And after reviving himself he said that he got used to fight recklessly because he was an Edo, so if he was alive he would be more careful. But yes, without the Rinnegan he wouldn't be able to absorb ninjutsu, and that would be huge. Madara didn't use Sage Mode while Edo, so this doesn't count. However, in terms of scaling, Edo Madara was actually nerfed. Right after he revived himself, even without eyes, and AFTER absorbing Hashirama's Sage Mode, Hashirama thinks to himself "Madara is regaining his past strength". This goes to show how big his Edo Tensei nerf was. Even with the modifications Kabuto made, he was much weaker than in his prime. EMS Madara from the Valley of the End would scale a little above Revived Sage Madara with no eyes. This makes sense because, even though he lost, Edo Madara was relative enough to Sage Edo Hashirama to fight him for a while. Their fight lasted between the arrival of Juubito until his defeat. And we know EMS Madara was essentialy equal to an alive Sage Hashirama. Also, the EMS Sasuke who fought alonside Biju Sage Mode Naruto, who was able to adapt to Juubito's speed was still being regarded as having the potential to surpass Madara, and Naruto himself has being compared to Hashirama by Tobirama. EMS Madara and alive Hashirama were in a league of their own... So if you replace Edo Madara with alive EMS Madara in these scenarios, even though he wouldn't have the Rinnegan nor Hashirama cells, he would scale even higher and arguably perform much better due to that. Tobirama, Prime Hiruzen or even Minato wouldn't be able to compete with that version of Madara, and the other Kage would be complete fodder.
@Ajwad99Ай бұрын
As the person above already stated, Edo Madara is faaar weaker than Alive Madara, you got to keep in mind that Madara only had a small portion of Hashirama’s power and his sage mode wasn’t that impressive to Madara he even state in disappointment “is that it?” When he absorbed it. His main source of power is his eyes so without them he’s arguably 50% weaker or more . And if you remember that alive Madara before even gaining SM didn’t even need to destroy Hashirama’s deity gates, the blast from his sheer power returning was enough to destroy it.
@Thelegend-dk9kwАй бұрын
Madara didn't need hashirama cells he needed the yin chakra from Ashura's reincarnation to activate the renegun of which the sage of six paths denied Indra and all his descendants if you come to think of it the whole Uchiha clan never fought the senju at full strength and yet they were able to keep up with the senju for generations until hashirama decided it was time for peace
@jasonmoukala8909Ай бұрын
Madara would’ve beaten them regardless
@liamwilson5670Ай бұрын
I dont think Hashiramas generation of Kage are as weak as you make them out to be they would all be veterans of the first great war at that point, and the first Kazekage does have a feat in capturing the 1 tails
@dustinpictou1927Ай бұрын
Hiruzen was goaty 🎉
@goldenglowmaster8510Ай бұрын
We dont know about tobirama because he has edo tensei who exactly can or will he summon
@TroyKimber-r6nАй бұрын
Third Hokage can also use the same sealing jutsu as the 4th hokage he used it against Orochimaru
@1of1MaccSauce19 күн бұрын
Yall give Tobirama toooooo much battle credit 😭😭 if I’m not mistaken hiruzen is over him and jariyah is over both soo…
@kleatise52Ай бұрын
Ohnoki should still be the kage for the stone. He is hiruzen and minatos and tsunades generation.
@divinejaja2371Ай бұрын
Madara can't react to minato unless it's jubidara... Period. And jubidara reacted because minato tried using sage mode... Sage mode makes minato slow... He said it, that's why he doesn't like using sage mode
@theprestige547212 күн бұрын
I disagree. Minato is stronger than a full nine tails. When Minato and Kushina teamed up they are teens, Minato is considerably younger as he is not even a Hokage (he died at 23) and Kushina is just receiving the 9 tails. Hokage Minato scales far above that. He also has sage mode even if he does not recognize it to be one of his strenghts and he is very much faster than Madara in edo. He would be a treath a 100% and would make Madara try very hard. They probably beat him 7/10 times considering their personalities and the fact that Minato went face to face against Obito thinking he was Madara with no fear makes me thing even on a 1 on 1 Madara will get a run for his money, ofc beating Minato, but with a team I don't see him(Minato) losing many fights
@zombieboyxx26 күн бұрын
"the thought that someone could solo the 5 kage before madara is stupid" Naruto: 💀 Obito: 💀 Pain: 💀 Healthy itachi: 💀 mayeb orichimaru or jiriya idk lol war arc kabuto: 💀 hashirama: ☠️
@Varun-oh2nnАй бұрын
Hashirama does have a sealing jutsu. He lends it to sasuke in the wat arc i think... I could be wrong tho
@dominiquerogers7466Ай бұрын
Madara is underrated in the boruto era!!!! Y’all sleep!!!! Madara kills Naruto without kurama mid dif low diff with rinn!! Rinn madara basically can summon the geto statue to fight Naruto while he kills everyone else!! Madara is definitely putting chains on kurama anyway I don’t think Naruto would be able to stop madara from doing it with limbo and multiple chains he can’t destroy and also fighting madara with multiple clones using susanoo but I’ll say Naruto wins mid dif bc of plot!! Remember madara and hashi scale higher than ten tails at full power! Their feats make nine tails look like a shadow clone form a chunin (in their fight) Byron mode is a win for madara (he’ll be back)
@derekvincent5569Ай бұрын
Uk that tobirama was teleporting with hashirama right they didn't match each other's speed it was all tobirama during the war arc
@TommieCobbАй бұрын
Madara was also significantly more powerful than he was when he was alive, and heavily modified. He knew Jutsu he didn't in life. He had power boosts he didn't in life. He had unlimited chakra. He had the Rinnegan. The Had access to Sage Chakra. He had access the Wood Style. He was fundamentally immortal. If a living Madara was fighting in most of these scenarios, he would do damage sure, but he would die in most of them.
@Archer170Ай бұрын
Hes still weaker than he was alive.He only matched a nerfed hashirama.
@jasonmoukala8909Ай бұрын
No he wouldn’t. He would’ve beaten them regardless
@justfun-gg2mbАй бұрын
The guy was imortal and endless chakra how are they suppose to do anything
@beyonddabloc1529Ай бұрын
The 1st Hokage had the sage of 6th path sealing tool …..
@bennorris7126Ай бұрын
Give Minato his Kcm form. Then that squad would pack up Madara.
@grandcanyon-d4dАй бұрын
Alive Madara was still stronger than Kurama, how Minato is winning?
@bennorris7126Ай бұрын
@@grandcanyon-d4d he wasn’t necessarily stronger. Perfect susanoo and tail beasts are relative. Kurama got hard countered by Madaras genjustu. Kcm minato wouldn’t have this issue.
@grandcanyon-d4dАй бұрын
@@bennorris7126 Madara said his perfect susanoo rivals all the tailed beasts, Minato doesn't have this much power, and Kurama feared Madara, it's not just genjutsu.
@bennorris7126Ай бұрын
@@grandcanyon-d4d KCM Minato definitely does have that much power boss. And it was Madaras EMS that allowed control over the nine tails.
@grandcanyon-d4dАй бұрын
@@bennorris7126 Madara controlled Kurama with basic Sharingan, by that logic, let's take Minato's flying raijin we take Madara's Susanoo! Also explain how Minato is stronger than Kurama who's boosting him? Minato couldn't even handle half of Kurama, the only one more powerful than Madara even when they were alive was Hashirama.
@ThashneemАй бұрын
So you leave out Naruto's Generation? Why?
@rterrell641Ай бұрын
I'm Ngl Minatos kage winning
@midsectionmark8956Ай бұрын
Broooo it’s no debate. I was shocked to see the ass pulling to give madara a chance to win against Minato era of Kage. Honestly 8-9 out of 10 times they winning.
@Archer170Ай бұрын
Bro i’d honestly give them 2/10 chances.Madara already has intel on them from black zetsu.So their only win con is Minato trying to FTG onoki to get a partical style win.
@ChristopherJohnAbenionАй бұрын
The hashirama era is the only capable of taking down madara because of hashirama himself Tsunades era will the longest to last because shes a medic and a chakra pool.
@SalmanulFarisi101Ай бұрын
Agree except the Minato One 🙌 Minato is not even close to Madara in Raw speed 😂 Raikage who is massively faster than Minato without FTG couldn't even get the job done.
@JohhnKittiАй бұрын
What manga have did u read
@DawnEdits-128 күн бұрын
Lol
@ADM.II.10 күн бұрын
The raikage are extremely fast, but Minato instantly teleports @op
@teejones9686Ай бұрын
Hiruzen also knew the reaper death seal he took orochimarus arms
@misbahsk2699Ай бұрын
So thats how overrated Madara is
@ishanpandit475922 күн бұрын
so basically minato just needs to mark madara then all the bijuu bombs are in line waiting for him....since minato is a genius ig 6/10 times 4th gen wins
@guythatgoesbythenamekay795420 күн бұрын
Madara knows of FTG, Susanoo goes instantly up and Minato has no way to attack him