Made for WINTER - How to Build Your Own Travel Trailer - DIY Insulation and Heat Sources

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Drenalin Adventures

Drenalin Adventures

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@johngabriele6532
@johngabriele6532 3 жыл бұрын
One thing to keep in mind with the wiring underneath… use a conduit pipe of some sort and keep the wires accessible for any future upgrades or repair….
@johnnySMALLpepper
@johnnySMALLpepper 3 жыл бұрын
GREAT SUGGESTION AND ALSO TO PROTECT FROM ELEMENTS AND RODENTS.
@RiverOtter1000
@RiverOtter1000 3 жыл бұрын
Depending on the conduit type chosen, I'm not sure running it beneath the trailer's frame is a good suggestion. Schedule 40 PVC would stand up better to the elements than metallic conduit, but rock deflections while traveling could damage the conduit and if damaged enough, could also damage the conductors within it. Schedule 80 PVC has a heavier wall thickness, but is still plastic. Metallic conduit is also an option. There are three types of metallic conduit to choose from (EMT - Electrical Metallic Conduit, IMC - Intermediate Metallic Conduit and GRC - Galvanized Rigid Conduit). EMT being the style with the thinnest wall thickness and GRC being the style with the greatest. GRC is heavier and therefore harder to bend, but as long as your bends are either 45 or 90 deg., manufactured elbows can be purchased. No-thread fittings eliminate the need for cutting threads in the conduit and are also available for GRC, just make sure the fittings you use are designed for GRC since the O.D. of GRC is greater than that of EMT or IMC. No-thread fittings are available in either compression (likely the best choice for this installation) or set-screw (however, this type does a poor job of limiting the entrance of dust and moisture) type couplings and connectors. Rust, as a result of the installation environment, is a serious issue to consider, so choose wisely.
@kekoamaunakea4473
@kekoamaunakea4473 2 жыл бұрын
I missed out on sooo much Scott, it’s been a hectic new year. Lol!! ML&Aloha Your Boy Kekoa&Ohana.
@kennethperian4370
@kennethperian4370 2 жыл бұрын
Love to watch you build that camper man good job keep it up. I got a camper to but it’s bigger, it’s a 30 foot 5ths wheel two axle. That’s going to be a big job if I get to doing it. Well thanks for showing telling wish me luck when I if I start on my trailer and make it a camper right,right well see ya next time see ya bye.
@oldschoolhoosier
@oldschoolhoosier 3 жыл бұрын
Great installation decisions. The only thing left that would prevent air passage in a possible snow storm is stapling clear plastic throughout the interior to your wood frame. This would create a sound vapor barrier in your walls increasing your R factor. Awesome DIY videos.
@t-6273
@t-6273 2 жыл бұрын
One problem i think there could be with making it too air tight with plastic would be condensation build up. maybe use house wrap instead?
@TrionoBara
@TrionoBara 3 жыл бұрын
nice video friend thanks for sharing tutorial
@davidmaslanka3145
@davidmaslanka3145 3 жыл бұрын
Since you are building this for your own use and to your own specifications, I would suggest, rather than burying the wiring in the walls and under the floor, that you run wiring internally in diagonal chases in the wall corners and at the wall/ceiling juncture. This would allow for any wiring maintenance as well as the inevitable systems modifications and expansions. I would also suggest going up one wire size to minimize any current losses in the slightly longer wiring runs. Nice project so far.
@KungFuKendoll234
@KungFuKendoll234 3 жыл бұрын
These just get better each time
@GoAndStay
@GoAndStay 2 жыл бұрын
Visited our kids in Coldstream BC in December 2021 from Cape Town. I actually enjoyed the snow and playing in it. But it was COLD! Enjoy the videos, thanks.
@bradbandemer5845
@bradbandemer5845 3 жыл бұрын
As usual brilliant thoughtfulness Scott on the whys n hows to your decisions n installation (of insulation ) in an articulate n clear way. Cheers
@scottyellis3442
@scottyellis3442 2 жыл бұрын
For someone who's been in construction for 45 years in my opinion I think you're doing a great job, & really like the wood stove for heat, there's pro's & con's in everything but the wood stove is a good choice.
@giselecontassotdesayvre3965
@giselecontassotdesayvre3965 2 жыл бұрын
Du sur mesure, travail nickel.c'est sûr qu'il faut une très bonne isolation..avec vos températures extrêmes!..bravo pour l'extérieur.. j'adore 👍
@DrenalinAdventures
@DrenalinAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Merci.
@leeman20s98
@leeman20s98 2 жыл бұрын
Great job insulating. RV manufacturers suck at making trailers reject heat in the summers or keep heat in the winters. amazing trailer you have built. Subscribed.
@ВЕЧНЫЕМИРЫ
@ВЕЧНЫЕМИРЫ 2 жыл бұрын
very nice construction... smart and good looking man. Enjoyed to watch it all :)
@ronnieolinde9725
@ronnieolinde9725 Жыл бұрын
Just started watching your build looks really good my wife and I bought a cargo trailer and converted it into a camper we wired it installed a power panel the works we also insulated the same way that you did .the build was complete a couple of years ago and have been camping it ever since we really injoy it keep up the great work
@DrenalinAdventures
@DrenalinAdventures Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@usernick8928
@usernick8928 3 жыл бұрын
One disadvantage to the Buddy heater would be even more moisture. Burning propane creates a lot of moisture, electric and wood heat will dry it out.
@chuckrf1502
@chuckrf1502 3 жыл бұрын
Looking very well done Scott!
@DrenalinAdventures
@DrenalinAdventures 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@SteveP-vm1uc
@SteveP-vm1uc 3 жыл бұрын
Hi there.. This is my first time on your channel and I like it so far. I do have a few suggestions for you though. 1) Run all your wiring in a conduit under the trailer so wires can be replaced if they ever short. Try to make trap doors to get to the junction boxes with the same insulation you are using in the walls. That should keep from condensing water in/on the boxes. 2) If you are building upper cabinets inside her, design a fan and ductwork to take the heated air off your ceiling and duct it to the floor OR at least, duct it to aim toward the floor. You won't be sorry you did!!
@wattienewton5447
@wattienewton5447 2 жыл бұрын
Gidday Eddie me again matey ,mate you've got real cool inso there that'll keep dad really warm in the-Deg the solid wood stove burner will also help keep out winter chills great job mate awesome. Cheers till next time Wattie from down under NZ.
@johntatman9168
@johntatman9168 3 жыл бұрын
There are advantages and disadvantages in all heat sources. The stove adds an ambience that no other source can provide. As long as you can keep you water tanks warm that's all that matters.
@robinburkey2466
@robinburkey2466 3 жыл бұрын
Nice job and a good choice. Styrofoam is inexpensive when compared to other foam board products. It's ridged and adds integrity to the construction. I did a tiny house with a spray foam contractor and it was a mess! 11 bags of useless foam scraps just to get the paneling installed! And it was expensive. My next one will be Styrofoam. I spent 20 years as an industrial insulator and I avoid loose fill products on small spaces for the same reason you explain. Kudos to you for a great build and well done video! Thankyou for sharing
@deandee8082
@deandee8082 3 жыл бұрын
use some Tyvec sheet insulation on the inside as well as outside, then if you are going to sheet over that with a thin wood paneling use Z strip for an air gap, sound and insulation..
@jamescopeland5358
@jamescopeland5358 2 жыл бұрын
Good video I want a camper to pull with my jeep not quite as big but close I think
@BraxxJuventa
@BraxxJuventa 3 жыл бұрын
Well done Scott! I would have done Rockwool. Because it's fire proof. 👍😁👍😁
@dionwatters992
@dionwatters992 2 жыл бұрын
Great build. One suggestion for others who will be cutting Styrofoam. Use a table saw or circular saw for very fast, straight and smooth cuts. Even if you use a small portable tabletop table saw you can mark the top of your piece and guide it visually without a rip fence.
@rogergregory5981
@rogergregory5981 3 жыл бұрын
Do a bit of research on the cable you are using in the UK we don't mix styrofoam and PVC cable because it effects the insulation eventually leading to it breaking down and short circuits and electrical fires , some types of cable are unaffected though and don't forget cables embedded in insulation will need to be drastically derated, were possible I would go under the floor in conduits you can get flexible conduit and fittings really cheep , trailer is looking great really like how you put it together... great video 👍🏻
@clintondieter5871
@clintondieter5871 3 жыл бұрын
I rebuilt a 28' bumper pull. I did same thing with styrofoam. I even covered all wood and styrofoam contacts with tape to cut down on air leaks. Food for thought
@marvthedog1972
@marvthedog1972 3 жыл бұрын
If it were me, I'd be running some conduit in the walls so if you need to change out wires, like for example, for the tail lights, you can easily thread them through the conduit.
@rolland1967
@rolland1967 3 жыл бұрын
You should use Styrofoam underneath and use panels of aluminum to cover it. Then you can always access wiring by unscrewing air paneling.
@RecStuff21
@RecStuff21 3 жыл бұрын
Great idea choosing styrofoam, being able to remove it for wiring and vent installation will help. The wood burner will be perfect ! It’ll look awesome in there and you can’t beat a cozy fire. Great job on the trailer, I look forward to all your video, can’t wait to see the finished product.
@DrenalinAdventures
@DrenalinAdventures 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@motivateme4194
@motivateme4194 3 жыл бұрын
@@DrenalinAdventures fire safety maybe an issue
@jamesbuckingham4209
@jamesbuckingham4209 3 жыл бұрын
Another option to consider for the floor insulation would be to install extra dense 1" or 2" foam on top of the 3/4"subfloor... and then coving it with flooring (maybe another thin layer of ply as well). This keeps the insulation out of the elements. Might be an issue with headroom though. Thanks for the videos and tips.
@TrionoBara
@TrionoBara 3 жыл бұрын
👍👍👍
@sygonkainamura8332
@sygonkainamura8332 3 жыл бұрын
A shoutout from Uganda (East Africa), you are an extraordinary man. This project clearly shows that nothing is impossible with resolve & will.
@eiranlandau4271
@eiranlandau4271 Жыл бұрын
Very inspiring video and channel. Video are very well done! My questions is about the windows: are they double pane ? How did yoi work with the isolation around them ?
@josephgeorgeejr7039
@josephgeorgeejr7039 2 жыл бұрын
I would think about like kinda routing the insulation about quarter inch and running the wiring along that so the wires don't touch the skin of trailer
@dalepoulette
@dalepoulette 2 жыл бұрын
Yup cubic mini is the greatest heat sorce for a well made compact Eddie.
@marshacowan1252
@marshacowan1252 2 жыл бұрын
An electric carving knife zips easily and cleanly through any type of foam, so it should work on styrofoam, too. I cut memory foam to fit odd sizes and it does a great job.
@dwrivers47
@dwrivers47 3 жыл бұрын
I can’t wait to see you out in the woods enjoying this masterpiece 😊
@DrenalinAdventures
@DrenalinAdventures 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Derek
@johnpence8529
@johnpence8529 2 жыл бұрын
cutting foam works well with a hot wire cutter. repurpose a electric soldering gun with a wire installed in place of a soldering tip.
@rodneyyoung8096
@rodneyyoung8096 3 жыл бұрын
Have you considered installing piping through for heated flooring?
@nelloagostini4389
@nelloagostini4389 3 жыл бұрын
Stumbled on your videos totally by chance and I'm liking what your doing. Will keep watching looking forward to the finished product. I wonder if a poly vapor barrier much like in a house wouldn't help the condensation in the walls ?
@dper1112
@dper1112 2 жыл бұрын
You don't want to use wool insulation or fiberglass insulation because of the water issues, but you could use Rockwool. Rockwool doesn't absorb water and it keeps its shape quite well. If you were going to use spray foam, you could add conduit in advance. That's the standard way of providing wiring flexibility. Of course your current insulation looks great; just wanted to mention how other options might work.
@kostiantynslushnyi3958
@kostiantynslushnyi3958 Ай бұрын
Super
@wesleypipelayer7627
@wesleypipelayer7627 2 жыл бұрын
A table saw works good on long thick pieces of foam. An electric carving knife (turkey carver) works great for most cuts
@camperman101
@camperman101 3 жыл бұрын
i used a bread knife to cut my foam, worked great
@kevinharding2099
@kevinharding2099 3 жыл бұрын
You will have to provide a fresh air vent to feed air into the trailer near the wood stove. You have built a very tight enclosed space and a wood stove (even a small one) needs air to function correctly.
@DrenalinAdventures
@DrenalinAdventures 3 жыл бұрын
I actually ordered the direct vent stove for that very reason 👍
@Thomas-dz4eg
@Thomas-dz4eg 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, l am enjoying this series!
@DrenalinAdventures
@DrenalinAdventures 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoy it!
@joeodonnell2594
@joeodonnell2594 2 жыл бұрын
Diesal heater work well
@NorthernRetreat
@NorthernRetreat 3 жыл бұрын
Can't beat a woodstove for heat and ambiance, not to mention run cost of free firewood in the forest.👍
@MarkLawsonY3K
@MarkLawsonY3K 2 жыл бұрын
We cut with a serrated breadknife, just a slower sawsall.. Need to invent a hotknife with nichrome hairdryer wire....cuts like butter.
@cliveapps7105
@cliveapps7105 3 жыл бұрын
Wondering if an electric carving knife would do the cutting job.
@rich0048
@rich0048 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice build what about the registration do you have to registered to transport Canada.
@chownzi2461
@chownzi2461 11 ай бұрын
Now with diesel heaters that would be perfect to keep the trailer warm while your away
@cblguy63
@cblguy63 3 жыл бұрын
any reason you didn't look at a diesel heater?
@oldschoolboyscout
@oldschoolboyscout 3 жыл бұрын
I would choose the same. Cheers.
@paulbrandanger9049
@paulbrandanger9049 3 жыл бұрын
Use Pex tubing as conduit so you can replace wires if needed. Also think about the ability to change your turn light fixtures if the get broken or corroded
@martijnbrandt7553
@martijnbrandt7553 2 жыл бұрын
I would juse a 12v diesel air heater (about $140 on amazon) nice dry air, the propane heater makes a lot of condensation and Co2
@pnowikow
@pnowikow 2 жыл бұрын
Have you considered diesel heater instead of the Mr. Buddy? Condensation is an issue with propane heat.
@notcharles
@notcharles 3 жыл бұрын
Before you cover the bottom with spray foam - consider running the wiring in conduit - just in case you need to repair a circuit.
@orlandovega8259
@orlandovega8259 2 жыл бұрын
muy cierto e importante.. 😁👍
@elcontrastador
@elcontrastador 3 жыл бұрын
I would love to have time for a project like this... Love watching these. Thanks for posting
@richardburguillos3118
@richardburguillos3118 3 жыл бұрын
Really like the wood burning stove idea. For backup, maybe one of those small Diesel heater’s would be better. Propane heaters will just add more moisture to the interior. Especially one so well built and sealed. They also make a propane unit that intakes and exhaust to outside so the warm air coming in does not have the moisture from propane. Think It is Propex.
@elainesterling9983
@elainesterling9983 3 жыл бұрын
Enjoying your channel and cant wait to see finished trailer!
@DrenalinAdventures
@DrenalinAdventures 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thank you!
@jeremyh6640
@jeremyh6640 3 жыл бұрын
Liking the trailer build, but have you look at the 12v Diesel heaters for heat source?
@DrenalinAdventures
@DrenalinAdventures 3 жыл бұрын
I have.
@ejd52
@ejd52 3 жыл бұрын
Looking good. Yeah, smart idea to insulate the floor. Looking forward to the next step. Busy time of year to spend on a camper though, but we'll be here when you get time to build, film, edit and load it.
@patlsmith404
@patlsmith404 3 жыл бұрын
Great video on how to insulate. First video I’ve seen of yours. Very impressed! Can’t wait to watch the others & keep them coming. Be safe. 😎❤️🙏🏼
@christopherhilliard3681
@christopherhilliard3681 2 жыл бұрын
Another idea for heat rocket stove mass heater
@johnnySMALLpepper
@johnnySMALLpepper 3 жыл бұрын
YOUR WORK IS IMPRESSIVE, PRECISE, THOUGHT-OUT AND QUALITY ORIENTED. WONDERFUL DISPLAY OF CRAFTSMANSHIP WE CAN TELL YOU MUST BE A TRADES PERSON(my guess) BECAUSE OF HOW YOU APPROACH STUFF. ENJOYED THIS SERIES. YOU ARE THE NEW BENCHMARK TO BUILD YOUR OWN TRAILER. I BOUGHT ONE, USED. THAT WAY NO ONE CAN COMPARE YOUR WORK TO MINE 😏😂 YOU’D WIN.
@DrenalinAdventures
@DrenalinAdventures 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@CanoehoundAdventures
@CanoehoundAdventures 3 жыл бұрын
Looking good... great job Scott
@DrenalinAdventures
@DrenalinAdventures 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dennis
@dougcarpsmashernymeyer9698
@dougcarpsmashernymeyer9698 3 жыл бұрын
what if you used some sort of wood pellet feed system to keep the wood stove fed all night so you don't have to get up every hour or so to feed it?
@rodneyyoung8096
@rodneyyoung8096 3 жыл бұрын
I'm really enjoying this. Your attention to detail and why and how's are inspiring. I purchased a similar trailer a few years ago. And have watched many KZbin videos. Not inspiring enough. With that said. My going to fallow your plan. Don't know about the floor plan yet. I'll decide that after I see your build. Thanks im sure im not the only one that's been thinking about it.
@DrenalinAdventures
@DrenalinAdventures 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome, thank you!
@donaldmalak8261
@donaldmalak8261 3 жыл бұрын
I think you doing a great job man nice discovery about the styrofoam and the wall of the aluminum that's a good catch I seen another guy making one almost the same as you and he did the same thing he glued his styrofoam to the aluminum but it's moving along fine can't wait to see the next step thanks for sharing buddy 👍✌️😁
@Alscameracorner
@Alscameracorner 2 жыл бұрын
did you get your widows from princess auto as well?
@maureenmackey4879
@maureenmackey4879 2 жыл бұрын
Would a Turkey carving knife work on that?
@rezakia
@rezakia 3 жыл бұрын
Very Very good 👍 thank you. You are best 👌
@mikey4016
@mikey4016 2 жыл бұрын
In my experience, that's nowhere near enough insulation. I'm disabled and homeless, I've been surviving in an antique, rotten, motor home for a long time now, it had two inches of foam insulation from the factory and that didn't do much, of course it had way too many windows. The first thing I did was insulate the windows as much as I could (I now only have the window on my door visible, but I have plastic on both sides of it), then as I could afford it, I bought 2 inch thick sheets of R-Max (polyisocyanurate foam with radiant barrier foil facing on both sides, much higher R value per inch than bead foam) and some 1/4" thick packing foam (for the flexibility, to provide a tight seal) and covered the entire wall where each window was, first with the 1/4" packing foam, then with the 2" R-Max. So now I have 4" thick foam walls and it's made a huge difference, but it still gets too cold in the winter and too hot in the summer and takes too much power (though not nearly as much as it used to). I'm hoping to add another two inches of the dense blue foam on the entire outside, except I want to do a total of six more inches on the roof and as much as I can get into the underside. But that's looking like a pipe dream currently. Perhaps I should mention that I live in the North West part of the U.S.A., just a few miles from the Canadian border, where it gets very cold in the winter and very hot in the summer.
@GeoffCK
@GeoffCK 3 жыл бұрын
I ran across you on Joe’s channel, the camping trip you and him had together, and found your channel through the link he put up. This is interesting stuff. Thanks. Also enjoyed your winter camping content. Thoroughly enjoyable. Liked and subbed.
@DrenalinAdventures
@DrenalinAdventures 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thank you!
@budtate401
@budtate401 3 жыл бұрын
Great job so far!
@strvenoconnell4061
@strvenoconnell4061 3 жыл бұрын
Looks like quality workmanship, like 👍
@DrenalinAdventures
@DrenalinAdventures 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍
@426superbee4
@426superbee4 2 жыл бұрын
Far as heating i would just use propane heater and propane water heater. Always carry a generator, for TV, Computer, lighting, space heater, AC, Fans, and electric appliances, ect. and your BBQ Pit with ya. A Weber Grill is not only a grill, its a flat grill, pizza, bread, and as a oven as well! To smoke and bake with! I make excellent breads and pizza off my Weber grill! with Pizza pans and Bread pans
@albertsalas9154
@albertsalas9154 10 ай бұрын
should've used a table saw or a straight edge to make those cuts super tight.
@runningwindadventures
@runningwindadventures 3 жыл бұрын
Nice work so far!
@DrenalinAdventures
@DrenalinAdventures 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@jofrejkd
@jofrejkd 2 жыл бұрын
How to deal with mold? Aluminum will sweat. Is wood pressure and chemically treated all around?
@wesleypipelayer7627
@wesleypipelayer7627 2 жыл бұрын
Foam is also HIGHLY flammable. So be very careful with flames.
@pjf7943
@pjf7943 3 жыл бұрын
You need to put a vapor barrier on the interior before applying a wall finish...!!!
@rickrod6044
@rickrod6044 3 жыл бұрын
Love the trailer and the channel! What about interior wiring and plumbing? Will you be working on future videos?
@DrenalinAdventures
@DrenalinAdventures 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, working on it now.
@anDWandy
@anDWandy Жыл бұрын
My mr buddy heater regular exploded and caught on fire. Maybe shouldn’t use it when not there
@426superbee4
@426superbee4 2 жыл бұрын
Remember i told ya about the aluminum floor sweating ? > THERE YOUR PROOF ! 6:28
@reginaldosalvario5317
@reginaldosalvario5317 3 жыл бұрын
Parabéns Scott Ótimo trabalho. ( BRASIL)🇧🇷🇧🇷
@clinchleatherwood1012
@clinchleatherwood1012 Жыл бұрын
Where can I find these styrofoam panels?
@woodslisa4529
@woodslisa4529 3 жыл бұрын
TUC tape all the seams
@openyoureyes3113
@openyoureyes3113 3 жыл бұрын
Do you know You should not use a little buddy heater and air tight spaces.
@agrxdrowflow958
@agrxdrowflow958 Жыл бұрын
After you score it, just break it over your knee. That EPS is designed to fracture clean.
@robertortega8093
@robertortega8093 2 жыл бұрын
I notice in one of the comments: Ants love foam, be careful. Of course is seeing, that maybe sealing each piece in some form of plastic, but that could become a future hazard and spraying ant spray would be health, possible hazard. So what is your opinion on how to keep the creatures out and maybe away, for their own safety? Lol. Well either one's soul is a murder or not. Yes?
@kenwatheghob827
@kenwatheghob827 3 жыл бұрын
Are you concerned about the moisture the Buddy heater produces? Great job so far. Looking forward to the first trip.
@DrenalinAdventures
@DrenalinAdventures 3 жыл бұрын
Not at all
@kenwakeman8950
@kenwakeman8950 3 жыл бұрын
I used a drywall saw with a handle.like you cutout drywall outlets with on installed drywall.
@billblecher9215
@billblecher9215 3 жыл бұрын
I tried using spray glue to do that and it melted the styrofoam so be careful
@melvinfansler9432
@melvinfansler9432 3 жыл бұрын
a bread knife may have worked.
@douggibson9084
@douggibson9084 3 жыл бұрын
Great video Scott. Trailer looks excellent. When will you be inviting Chevy Chase?
@DrenalinAdventures
@DrenalinAdventures 3 жыл бұрын
Not sure yet :)
@lindaford3976
@lindaford3976 3 жыл бұрын
Let's roll!
@barrydeacon3551
@barrydeacon3551 3 жыл бұрын
Trailer looks super! I’d go with wiring in conduit as well.. Are u taping the joints and vapour barriering the walls and roof? Wood stove makes best choice! 👍 Waiting for camping videos this winter! Nice job. B Deacon Manitoba Canada 🇨🇦
@josephbohme7917
@josephbohme7917 3 жыл бұрын
Lots of thermal bridges.No air gaps (SEALED) and aluminum was screwed to the wood frame. Should have put an exterior 1/2 " foam skin all over outside of frame before ypu put on the aluminum sheets. Or thicker with air gaps. even 1/2 is enough. Solid not wool you need a solid trailer,
@larryhicks7558
@larryhicks7558 3 жыл бұрын
I also have that same stove in my trailer. For wood I collect banna boxes. I end up burning 4x4 cut 6 inch they stack neat and tight in the boxes. I have when away from propane as a heat . As it burns it making water vapor on the inside . The wood heat takes it away but not in the far corners from the stove. I am going to a Chinese diesel heater . I had one in a big truck great heat didn't like the clicking noise . Wood heat great choose I even heat can of food up on mine. Pork beans.
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