‪@MadebyJimbob‬

[@beedub_]

“I don’t see any way a naturalist could reject the premises” - well, maybe talk to one before publishing this hot garbage?

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Excellent point!

[@ddrse]

The wise man has the power to reason away What a Fool Believes

[@B.S._Lewis]

JimBob's arguments are as lazy as his mouth animations.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

LOL

[@hamzardhassan4706]

😂😂

[@justincapable]

Spoiler alert. JimBob still doesn't bring the goods.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

LOL So true!

[@shassett79]

Does he ever?

[@rebeccavdh4803]

If it helps taco, one great benefit of you uploading this content is that the effort you put into these arguments gets seen by people like me who are not as philosophically literate and who benefit tremendously from hearing these arguments!

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Thank you so much! Yes it does! I am glad I am able to help you!

[@northernbrother1258]

If you believe in miracles, then you can't also believe in an ordered universe, because by definition a miracle is a break in order.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Wonderful point!

[@northernbrother1258]

​@@realBreakfasttacos Love your content, learning a ton, thx and keep up the rationality! 🤘

[@realBreakfasttacos]

@@northernbrother1258 Oh thank you so much! Glad you are enjoying the videos!

[@_Omega_Weapon]

Again, JB thinks *descriptive* terms don't "explain" themselves. Yet with his very non-theistic definition of miracle, he can only reference things that are physical and dependent ON the physical. The category and equivocation fallacies are strong with him.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Excellent point!

[@AdamEdn]

I see your point but I think you’re doing a disservice to the fallacious arts to even sarcastically use the term “strong” knowing others like him would be encouraged 😂

[@DeetotheDubs]

JimBob is so low hanging on the aplogetics totem pole that he's in the sub-basement of a basement. Nearly core-deep. You were nicer than he deserves

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Thank you!

[@anthonyzav3769]

Jimbob is leaving out something odd - the fact that the authors of religious texts are presenting accounts of miracles AS EVIDENCE of something supernatural. Why would they do this? He needs to ask THEM why there are included in the narrative.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Great point!

[@Weirdaman]

P2 is so stupid it hurts. 'Laws' and 'regularities' are manmade concepts, descriptions of things that we simply observe in the universe. If I jump and land on the ground due to gravity it is not because it is a law. This kind of things simply happen in the universe, then we describe that 'ayo, every time this happens - let's call it a law!' Bro puts the cart before the horse, confuses the egg with the chicken etc. Jim, a simple challenge for you - if laws of physics exist... try to fill a bucket with them.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

LOL. The whole argument was pretty bad.

[@alexanderingraham8255]

Since I never see someone asking presupps something along the lines of, “why isn’t it more likely that you’re God is an imaginary construct people who need/needed order and certainty to make sense of a scary, uncertain and seemingly uncaring universe, than it is that their god exists?” This is probably a bad argument, but I’d like someone more philosophically literate to let me know why.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

I have seen people ask that. The issue is they are incapable of having an honest conversation as the theistic presupp has melted their hippocampus. There are actually quite a few studies on this theism and the hippocampus.

[@alexanderingraham8255]

@@realBreakfasttacos Ah, ok. Ty!

[@shassett79]

It's just more, "Science doesn't tell us where everything came from, and I assume it can't, so therefore it must have been an omnipotent, nonphysical mind from beyond space and time because I'm very logical!" Yawn.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Great point!

[@RobertSmith-gx3mi]

It's funny to listen to people argue against the fact that their assertions are not convincing my brain that the characters from holy books they've been trained to have faith exist are anything other than silly assertions to me.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

I am glad you enjoyed that!

[@PigSnaketheDestroyer]

The explanation for the law's of logic are God, according to Christianity. But then what is the explanation for God? They would say God? But they wouldn't accept that God is a miracle. Also its a circular argument. But apparently everything is ultimately circular. If thats true then there is no need for philosophy and we can all get a beer and watch the game.

[@Julian0101]

It is the old "i know i am offering trash, so the best i can do is point out we all have trash one way or another therefore my trash is better".

[@realBreakfasttacos]

It's the rose-tinted glasses.

[@TheCommonSenseguy]

I have literally gotten to 2:08, and I bet Jim Bob is going to conflate miracles to the expansion of the universe and evolution. Here's betting im right ✅️

[@realBreakfasttacos]

LOL

[@youarevictoria4981]

2:19 brilliant.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Glad you enjoyed that!

[@rafaelallenblock]

🤣👍

[@ataho2000]

I like Jimbob's approach, "let me define a certain term in a way that I can easily attack!" One can say (based on Jimbob's definition) that Dark Matter and Dark Energy are miracles.😝😝😝😝 Things that cannot be explained are not miracles.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Great point!

[@ybzpilot1]

May I suggest better sound echo damping. The room wall echo is hard to ignore

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Great suggestion! That is actually on the list for this year! I had some options I was looking at and never purchased.

[@georgepatton5380]

Breakfast Taquito, doubling down on the short-bus philosophy. The blind leading the blind.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Thank you for the support! I think you meant to say Jimbob

[@bourbon2242]

Why do you always sound like you’re on the phone with someone who’s holding their phone up to a microphone 😆

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Who knows!?

[@KEvronista]

just lucky. KEvron

[@AdamEdn]

It’s a miracle.

[@KEvronista]

@@AdamEdn lol! and just in time for the holidays! KEvron

[@davegar1816]

I most certainly believe in miracles. Attributing a miracle to a divine being is not so much.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Why?

[@davegar1816]

@ More expansive definition of miracle.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

@@davegar1816 Please elaborate

[@DeconvertedMan]

In Jimbobs world view we are nothing but soul things made up of nothing at all, because souls are not physical things and thus we are in fact, made of nothing at the core level of reality, god as well is nothing at all, because it is the greatest of the soul things. It exists outside of reality as we know it, without any time to do anything and no space to exist in, in his worldview only blood offered by a pure being that is also a god can make the father-god thing able to even look our way, and there is also a ghost flying around letting people know that there really is a god in a way they can know for sure that its real, but that only happens to some people and not others. Its unclear if Jimbob's worldview is one where the world/universe is 6000, 14,000 or some other age old, or if he thinks the world is shaped like a bowl (Spherical Dome). Nor is it clear if under his worldview one must be fully immersed in water for the baptism to count and/or if one must speak with the tongues to prove that the ghost is really in them. What is clear that under Jimbob's world view its okay to be a bully towards others. I bring all this up because under my worldview, Jimbob's worldview is incorrect, and because of the ONE AND TRUE RELIGION OF LOBSTERIST I know that this is true. See, my real religion negates his fake made up worldview because LOD ate the first god and now god is dead but only the LOD is the real deity now. Lobsterist shows us that worship is pointless because LOD only cares about Lobsters, and that whatever things we humans do is of little to no worry to LOD. Thus my worldview is better then his and he can't debunk the Lobsterist and in fact, no one has EVER debunked the Lobsterist, and no one has even tried to debunk the Lobsterist! Those that read it will understand how TRUE it is and real it is those who do not read it will not gain the understanding that is beyond understanding with the super real for real mega *TRUTH* anyway, I just had to share all that with you and not prove any of it and tell you to look for the Lobsterist on the internet because its on there somewhere and that makes it real, but the others things on the internet that are not it are not real maybe most likely. Also I wanted to see what would happen if I wrote this long paragraph thingy out and posted it somewhere and I guess I will find out now after this is posted, maybe nothing will happen. Maybe the wifu anime girls I want will become real somehow. Maybe I'll gain a million dollars tax free without anyone being hurt and also in a legal way and also I can spend it - got to be careful of those weird wish granting genies that like to find loopholes. Hope your day is good BFT (Breakfasttacos). If anyone that isn't BFT reads this, I also hope they have a good day, but if your Jimbob and you are reading this I hope that your day is.... good. See I was going to go for something else for a moment but nah. I will not wish ill upon anyone not that wishing does anything, its kinda like prayer - wishing and prayer are in fact, the same thing. Magic 8-ball is also like god, but unlike god it exists and can be tested. God is a wonky thing idea that someone made up at some point - how do I know? LOBSTERIST. Geeez. Anyway. So, yeah good times. Meow meow meow. Also if you are reading this and you are a single woman in my area let me know because I keep getting all these ads about you! O_o;; weird. Wait I want to explain the true nature of reality now before I forget okay it starts with

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Great point. I wish he would go more into that position.

[@DeconvertedMan]

@@realBreakfasttacos I'm not even sure what I wrote anymore :D hehe

[@KEvronista]

hey, Taco, could you explain "jrilly" for me? it's over my head. KEvron

[@realBreakfasttacos]

AI didn't know how to spell Holy Bible and I have stuck with it since because it is funny to me.

[@KEvronista]

@@realBreakfasttacos perfect! KEvron

[@koola.i.d]

RimJob fails yet again

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Always failing!

[@shadowmomochiuchiha6839]

You two are like batman and joker

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Haha

[@RatedDehydrated]

Do you know what we can't explain under the theist view? If we are all descendants from Noah after the flood, and he is jewish, how are we all not jewish?

[@realBreakfasttacos]

We can't explain anything under the theist view.

[@RatedDehydrated]

@@realBreakfasttacos even theism is explained outside of a theistic world view.

[@haydenwalton2766]

first minute - jimbob's MO in a nutshell. other than people wanting to make content, he's best ignored

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Interesting opinion!

[@bobmiller5009]

SAD VIDEO

[@realBreakfasttacos]

I saw you reviewed it too!

[@Jessica_O_Bell]

Jimbob says that you cannot use the laws of physics to explain the laws of physics, because that would be circular. But we do this all the time. Biology is explained through chemistry. Chemistry is explained through atomic physics. Atomic physics is explained through subatomic physics. Subatomic physics is explained through electromagnetism. Once we solve the mysteries of quantum gravity, we will figure how to explain everything.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Very great points!

[@x8jason8x]

I don't know of the original to respond, but I can already reject both theist and atheist premises simultaneously. You can't prove a deity doesn't exist, any more than they can prove one does. You both fault to circular arguments, where theists will just claim it's faith, atheists will claim they don't have to prove a negative. By all the same metrics you apply to defeat his claims, you condense to "logic", but you only offer their equivalent of "faith" to assert any deity does not exist, despite your equal lack of conclusive proof. This is called horseshoe theory. Agnosticism is the wiser position, I'll stick with Sagan. Good day to you!

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Just look at the trees, bro.

[@x8jason8x]

@@realBreakfasttacos Yes, people make all kinds of assertions. They frequently believe those assertions to be correct. I don't know is probably the wisest answer when dealing with the imperceptible or possibly nonexistent. I'm assuming you're referencing this naturalist thing, but also have to note your complete non-sequitur, as regards my statement.

[@x8jason8x]

@@realBreakfasttacos Or, for brevity, your disbelief is not evidence of absence.

[@Diviance]

@@x8jason8x ...your own comment actually shows that atheism is the correct position to hold. As atheism is just saying "I don't believe you" when someone else says "A deity exists"... by your comment, that is the correct position to hold. Agnosticism isn't even an option for the topic.

[@x8jason8x]

@@Diviance You're so incorrect, you probably shouldn't try this chat, but I'll humor you, and ask you if you can be objective in your disbelief? If you answer yes, you're either insane or dishonest, and can be ignored.

[@Heahapn]

Hey mate. I stumbled onto this video and I find this such a disappointing and horrid expression of bad faith on your part. I just released a video expressing my frustration with how you carry yourself around others. You're more than welcome to respond but I must reiterate how you give many atheists a bad name and I find your approach to be morally reprehensible.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

LOL! Thank you for your support!

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Feel free to address any of my arguments and get back to me.

[@B.S._Lewis]

@@Heahapn ooh fun

[@shassett79]

Concern trolling aside, what'd you think of JimBob's argument?

[@Heahapn]

@@shassett79 JimBop presupposes what a miracle is to an atheist. He defines what a miracle is as "A miracle is an event or phenomenon that cannot be explained by the laws of physics" But I don't think that's what a miracle is defined as. A miracle could be a statistical improbability to the point where the very idea of it existing implies something supernatural must have been behind it. JimBop's argument is built around making up a definition and arguing with it. Which is a strawman fallacy. Miracles are considered to happen all the time by theists not because it is against the laws of physics but because it goes against what's likely to happen. An example of this is someone who was in a tragic car crash and is told by specialists they will never walk again. but months later they can walk again. This example isn't against the laws of physics but is considered a miracle. Which goes against his notion of what a miracle is.