MagicWave 230i TIG Welder | Perfect Welding With Fronius

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[@scottcarr3264]

I think I would love to have one of those machines. The machine I'm using at the moment is BIG (lincoln 375 Precision Tig) but pretty basic.

[@barryphilrush719]

Kyle . thats why you and the other guy were here in Portage ,Indiana. I am just starting to learn Tig. Great Video , Learn something everytime with your Videos. Thank you 👍🏁

[@Thefabforums]

yeah man

[@celsoguajardovillarreal]

excelente maquina para soldar muy buena para realizar cualquier proyecto, siendo de metal la imaginacion es el limite. saludos desde Apodaca Nuevo Leon Mexico!!

[@Thefabforums]

thanks

[@terryatadrenalinsgarage5021]

Great job on the vid! I'm still just starting out with the Mig side of my Lincoln and far from needing anything more. If when I out grow it, I might look into a Fronius. This vid flowed really well imo!

[@Thefabforums]

thanks man

[@ronjohnson7699]

Would love to see some examples

[@drewalsup9200]

Kyle you are truly one hell of a dude, keep up the good work

[@Thefabforums]

thanks

[@cbouren1]

And this has been you Public Service Announcement from the great Fabrication Nation. Stay tuned to do "work" Son.

[@tomwagemans1872]

I go to a welding school in the evening to get my tig pipe welding diploma . There is one 20 year old fronius tig machine there. Still going strong and welding great. Non of the features off this machine . I would like to give this one a go !

[@FroniusWelding]

Sounds great!

[@tomwagemans1872]

Maybe have a go at the factory here in europe :-)

[@chrisscustom712]

Nice video well done 👍🏻

[@Thefabforums]

thanks

[@mordantly]

Wish someone with a robot would test these hi pulse numbers.. I can't detect an advantage to my 500pps option yet. Now 10k pps? Hrmm.

[@antonioibarra9890]

Great machine

[@FroniusWelding]

Thanks!

[@raulduke85]

@@FroniusWelding i read in the comment section of the fabrication series (on ho review video) that now you sell the mw230i with pulse pro package included with no additional costs: Is this offer for U.S.A. market only, or Is It the same thing Also in EU?

[@FroniusWelding]

@@raulduke85 Hello! It depends on your country and the Fronius sales partner there. Please have a look at it here: bit.ly/2Oo82S2 Have a nice day!

[@charlesboston1]

but can it be run off of a standard genset or something like a lincoln ranger 9?

[@Thefabforums]

yeah for sure but this is more like a Ferrari in my opinion...made to be kept clean the shop for the precision work

[@metaspencer]

seems like you're liking the new partnership. way to go, man

[@Thefabforums]

yeah good people and great machines

[@FroniusWelding]

Happy to hear that! :)

[@chriswhite6882]

hell yeah

[@SomervilleMetalWorks]

2 of my previous employers i worked at, had magicwave 220 and magicwave 315. For aluminium i've never used a better welder. Expensive but you get what you pay for

[@Thefabforums]

yeah I agree....

[@NemesisRTCW]

Ive got a Saf Prestotig and a Castolin 2002. Both of them are rebranded Magicwave 2000 Fuzzys and they have indeed a very nice arc especially on AC.

[@FroniusWelding]

@LandRoverLife Thank you very much! Glad to hear that!

[@raulduke85]

@@NemesisRTCW castolin Is the same machine as the mw2200

[@NemesisRTCW]

@@raulduke85 No, that was the Castolin 2202, the 2002 is a Magicwave 2000 copy.

[@MRTYREMULISHA]

Dude that was sick haha,Stright up!!!! i like that saying "Good tools dont cost you money" :)

[@Thefabforums]

thanks man

[@solaregg507]

How'd you get the "Perfect Welding" sticker with yours? Just curious as I bought 2 Fronius machines and no sticker.

[@Thefabforums]

They sent me a few...shoot me your address

[@solaregg507]

I just seen this. That'd be awesome , I'll order a shirt or hat if you could send it with the order that'd be great.

[@bayouboattrash]

WOW! That's fancy! Lol

[@johnversluis3084]

wow Sounds like a great tig welder but we have not seen any welds on that unit !! And can some one the inter tube give a MSRP Price of the Magic Wave 230 I welder ? WOW I just went down and found the MSRP of $ 6500. not as bad as like Miller high end system or even Snap on ( crazy prices )

[@raulduke85]

In Italy, i got this price: 3.8 k euros vat included, bare unit (no torch, or earth), with footpedal, no liquid cooling module. It's not too bad, since I have the mw2200 at work and theese machines are Just flawless, but I Hope i can get the price lowered a bit (my goal would be 3.5k), anyway IMO they worth the price, since theese units work great, especially in the ac side, tbh no comparison in terms of quality with Miller, Lincoln and so on (and i don't Say It because I want to promote an Austria brand... Lol as an italian guy, there's not so much love between our countries)

[@enmanuelpalaciosromero7568]

song? please!!!

[@frankm8533]

I'm a horrible welder just never learned it all 100%. Wish you had a church on Sundays we would all attend.

[@Thefabforums]

Maybe one day

[@boosted2.4_sky]

He does have the series "how to TIG weld... sort of..." kinda like church....imo

[@AxelP33]

Whats the song

[@magnus5356]

Mind. Blown. That's some really amazing and advanced features and for the price ($6500 WITH cooler) it looks like they should take the market away from even the gold standard, Miller Dynasty.

[@Thefabforums]

yeah...Maybe this is the Gold standard ;)

[@2StrokeMadness.88]

I was thinking the exact same thing lol. This is Hella cheap for what you got to play with compared to the dynasty, I've used the dynasty alot in my past and its great but they can start knocking down the price, my old teacher from England he was a welder in nuclear power stations. All they used was fronius.

[@weld-itfab1633]

Is the Magic Wave compatible with other manufacturers torches?

[@chris_b_liven]

Weld-It Fab 1 It’s a Fronius torch but it takes standard thread on consumables

[@weld-itfab1633]

MilkyCereal83 I have several CK Worldwide torches on my other machines so I was wondering if they would fit on the Magic Wave.

[@chris_b_liven]

Weld-It Fab 1 that’s a negative. The communication is different

[@weld-itfab1633]

MilkyCereal83 Roger that and thanks.

[@thomasryan8218]

I want to get one of your shirts and decal. How do I go about doing that.

[@Thefabforums]

you can find them at KillFab.com

[@MrEd-fu3dq]

Shown above: "My Clothing Company" www.killfab.com

[@jamievandalen]

dont know wtf you're talking about, but I always watch the Fab Forums :-)

[@Thefabforums]

lol...right on

[@thomasryan8218]

Reverend Voss.

[@garyparker2969]

HOT STUFF !! KUTGW

[@ronjohnson7699]

I am thinking to get the Magicwave 190 AC/DC tig machine.. $4,400 . If you compare Dynasty dx about the same

[@weldingjunkie]

Ron Johnson HTP Invertig 221 is like dynasty 210dx check out my videos on it and it’s 2500. It’s a beast

[@eleventeenmachine5991]

Ouch! My wallet just got shrinkage.

[@raulduke85]

@@weldingjunkie the htp Is a stel rebranded, of you live in usa Is a great machine for a great price; but if you have to buy It in Europe branded as stel, Is not the way to go, since the stel costs 2.8 k euros (bare unit, without cables and so on), while the fronius costs around 3.3k euros (bare unit); for 400 euros difference, I'm Sorry for the stel (wich Is an italian brand, and I'm from Italy), but there's Just no comparison beetween the 2 units.. Oh forgot to Say I have a stel 20i cel (or whatever Is called), it's a nice machine, I bought directly from a stel employee and as he said stel (so htp) are Just designed and assembled in my country, but they are produced in China.. nothing wrong with that, unless you want me to pay 3k euro for a chinese welding machine.

[@raulduke85]

@@weldingjunkie man I have been to Verona where the stel Is produced, it's only 250 km to my home: they assemble there, many parts are made in china, most of the electronic parts, like It or not. I get my prices from Google and stel distributors in Italy. You should check for your own, probably 2200 euro Is the price of the DC (only) TIG unit; Just consider the fact that back in 2015, when i bought the 201 cel It was listed for 900 € + vat (so around 1200 euros), ofc bare unit. Stel is expensive here, believe It or not and electronic boards are designed in Italy, but manifactured in China: made in Italy doesn't mean fully manifactured in Italy, according to our laws it's enough to assemble, or to Just finish the production process in out country to Mark the item as "made in Italy". Same as stel, even if they produce worse machine, Is telwin brand. I know very well what i talk about and 2200 € maybe Is a discounted price without vat, since vat Is 22% here. The lowest price you can find on net, vat included Is 2850 and tbh doesn't worth It.

[@raulduke85]

@@weldingjunkie Who gave me those prices? Almac compressori aria, saldatrici, gruppi elettrogeni s.a.s. in Varese. Then i found similar prices on google, for example here www.bilioshop.com/shop/saldatrici-tig/393-stel-tig-dp-221hpa-ac-dc.html (Now they lowered price by 100 euros since last time i checked) Or here, uk store stel-welding.co.uk/product/tig-dp-221-hpa-ac-dc-inverter-dual-230v-110v-1-phase/ Or here another italian store www.berardomacchine.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=4070 Is It enough? While i looked on eBay for the Seller you said, and know what? No matching found; then i looked for an auction for a stel 221 hPa AC/DC and know what? No results. Put a link if you have, then I'll see. As i said, the parts that you Say, that May Be come from china are "Just" the main boards and I know for sure, possibly not every model, but most of their models. The fact you see "made in italy" stamped means nothing, even einhell Is sold as "made in Germany" lmao. Personally i don't care about your italian roots, it's not that you come in Italy 2 weeks per year and you think to know everything about Italy: I LIVE in Italy, since I was Born, 34 years ago; I'm a welder since I was 18; it's 5 years I work only on aluminum and here for AC applications you find fronius and kemppi everywhere: it's not a random thing. You can be a youtuber, you can weld your stuffs in your shed/garage or whatever you call It, I don't disrespect you guys, Who weld for enterteinment since 2/3 years; try Just to not disrespect the thoughts of people Who do this job for real and maybe have a longer experience. The only Place I found an AC/DC TIG branded stel here was in a didattic structure (italian welding school/italian welding machine) and stop; stel Is mostly used for mig and MMA machines here. If you talk to any professional welder in italy, nobody Will ever name you the stel as a good TIG welder for aluminium applications. And I'm Sorry to tell you that if you really can't see the difference between an htp and a fronius, it's your problem, not a problem of the machine. It's enough to Say that fronius in Italy Is said to be the "Ferrari" of the welding machines; but you know what? Hey probably the 99% of the italian welders are idiots, while you understood everything in your Little workshop; then surely I really Need to lie about the stel quotation that that motherfucker did to me, just because, being italian, I love people from Austria and I really want to promote their business, as all the italian guys do.

[@Sergiotunes1976]

legal.,super....

[@carlosaguilera1948]

Podrían subtitularlo en español por favor

[@weldingjunkie]

How much for that machine? $6,000? The HTP Invertig 221 is half that and I think it’s really good. I’m curious about the fronuis tho and it’s price point.

[@Thefabforums]

Yeah it's just under 6500 with the water cooler and cart. Three times the machine the HTP is though in my opinion.

[@weldingjunkie]

The Fab Forums you think it’s that much better? What didn’t you like about the invertig compared to the fronius? I own the HTP so I’m trying to find out if it’s worth getting the fronuis.

[@gordowg1wg145]

'Junkie, guess it comes down to your skill level* and what you will be using the machine for - for some, there may be no benefit but for others it could pay for itself in a few days or weeks because there is a specific feature, or two, that makes what they are doing easier, faster or even making something very difficult possible. Can't wait for the chap do do some examples of using the machine rather than just talking it up as there seems to be quite a lot of 'product placement' in the background... that said, I have only ever seen positive things said by people using the machines and one would definitely be on my shopping list, funds allowing. *For some of us more features, the more ways we can f*** up - or merely waste time and material playing around trying to get the 'right' settings.

[@weldingjunkie]

GordoWG1 WG1 agreed!! On all of it. I brought the HTP Invertig 221 into it because it has asymmetric ac on it, I didn’t see this on the fronius nor did I see that it has hybrid ac. He said he beats the HTP so I’m trying to find out where is it better. The Invertig 221 is a beast and I’m looking to buy another saw this video. Justin uses the 221 as well

[@gordowg1wg145]

That was mentioned, with detail, from 1:30 - if I understand your question correctly, I believe what you refer to as 'asymmetric' is the same as what they refer to as 'offset', with time and current offsets(?), and what you call 'hybrid' they call 'waveform ...' with different options for the positive and negative sides - 'course I could be quite wrong, wouldn't be the first time (or twentieth or ...). I've noticed, with quite a lot of things, each side of the Atlantic sometimes have different words, or terms, for the same thing - the problem is really where the same word means quite different things... one of the classic ones is "fanny", which could get you quite the wrong sort of attention in the UK ;-)

[@simclardy1]

It would be nice if fronius put some of the details on their website.

[@Thefabforums]

what details are you looking for that they dont have listed?

[@simclardy1]

@@Thefabforums a spec sheet. I called today and randy emailed it to me.

[@simclardy1]

@@Thefabforums i am looking to buy the dynasty 210dx or the 230i this week. I find miller is quick to get on the phone and my LWS carries them. How do you compare the two?

[@Thefabforums]

@@simclardy1 hey man I hate to comment without having a lot of detailed first hand knowledge on the Miller machine, which I dont. I do think that the Fronius machine has a few more options on the AC side. The 230i is an AC welding power house...

[@simclardy1]

@@Thefabforums i see fronius gives more features standard and i am impressed with the duty cycle. It really is ahead(correction miller 100%@175 60%@210 fronius 100%@165 60%@195 35%@230) I also think the 230 amp is a better sweet spot. The dynasty 280 is a bit more than i would ever need and the 210 is borderline. I currently have an everlast 250ex and 220 is the most i usually will need. When you get into pulse features i could maybe see using 280. But yeah, the fronius has everything i want at a competitive price. I just wish they had a bit more representation. I know they are legit because i have used their solar inverters but I'm on the fence and i would love to find someone who has used both. Thanks

[@waitemc]

I'd kill for a 230i. So I could throw my shops miller p.o.s out the frigging door. Seriously. I'd most likely be able to talk my partners in other it if this supports multi user setup . That way every one in the shop had there own setup this way all they would have to do is stick a card in and each welder would have there preferred set up..

[@kysersoza2002]

Nice commercial but how many easy payments of ?

[@Thefabforums]

Thanks...this machine with the water cooler, torch and cart package is just under $6500.

[@NemesisRTCW]

Seperate waveforms for AC and DC sides have been on Fronius machines since the Magicwave 2000 Fuzzy.

[@raulduke85]

Yea but separate waveforms don't concern AC and DC sides, Just AC side.. you meant EN and EP sides i guess. Anyway this 230 i looks finally more user friendly, I mean, I use the 2200 everyday at work, It looks Easy, cause u have Just 4 buttons and the amp knob... Yea but you have a billion of Hide menus Just pressing a combo of the 4 buttons you have; then everything has an acronym that you have to remember. After a while, if you study the manual, you get used into It; but it's not defenetly user friendly; while this new machine looks so easier to set, I mean, it's Just like playing with a tablet

[@radouanjabri457]

This is my machin tig SAF FRO 210 PRESTOTIG 2 💰💰 5400 €

[@MrSlowestD16]

I feel like the average Joe couldn't use 90% of that stuff, I know I certainly couldn't... I mean it's cool and all, I just feel like most can't use that kind of stuff.. I hear they make very good welders, though, some of the best in the business, but for my lower skill level I'll probably stay with my Hobart and similar.

[@Thefabforums]

I am the average Joe

[@plmbtired]

Weld shit son!

[@jimheflin1446]

i had to mute billybadass just to watch this video

[@jackantoine5185]

So how much or is it a secret. Not a great company for information.

[@johnloefflad2130]

Jack Antoine very expensive, wish I could.

[@Thefabforums]

The 230i with water cooler, torch and cart package is under $6500 which is super cheap for what you get in this machine.

[@Light-brown-rice]

Pew F the fronius seriously shame on them!!!! You can only use the maximum amp limiter with the pedal not the torch potentiometer. Basically they only want to use this peace as a sit down machine…. Rubbish… but does have great features….

[@michaeldyer7938]

You are doing more product crap than actual builds......unsubscribe

[@Thefabforums]

see ya