Magicycle Cruiser Pro vs Ariel Rider Kepler (V1) - 52v Fat Tire Matchup

[@af31ns]

The clip from the Office about the same picture was incredibly creative. The highlight of your review. Thanks!

[@ElectricRidesUT]

Haha glad that you liked that bit! 😆

[@katherinelandon646]

Bought 2 Magicycle & loving them. My husband is now on a bike again it has been 6years since his last ride. He is 6'6" 275lbs & the Magicycle is a great fit. He is 62. He wants to know why we didn't get e-bikes years ago. I am 54, 5'9" & back on a bike again after a 2 year hiatus. I have hip issues & I am loving this bike. I now ride at least 5 miles a day. If I want to go more than 30 mph then I jump on 1 of my motorcycles.

[@ElectricRidesUT]

That is awesome! Thank you for sharing!

[@SmokeyTreats]

Can hubby hit 30 mph on his?

[@joegarland2224]

@@SmokeyTreats I can answer for him, no. LOL

[@Instantpower332]

I have been looking bought 2 Lectric bikes of my doctor friend. He bought 2 I set him up for him. Not much to do. He got on no helmet decided to show off.hit a bush broke his wrist. I used both for a few months. Gave them back After a month he sold them. Great entry but I wanted a lot more. Decided on the Ocelot pro then saw a number of reviews bought the Deer received it today. Tomorrow is the big day. Noticed you have horses we have 1 horse and one Donkey. Wonderful creatures…

[@9898dt]

I'm 6 ft and 300 ib. Just bought the Ariel Rider Kepler step through. It's plenty big for me. I've only put on 24 miles so far around the neighborhood and I'm loving this ebike. 👍🥰

[@keithwilliams5867]

I purchased the Magicycle pro step over combo that came with an Xtra battery. They had a 1/2 off second battery promotion so total cost was $2232. I've had it for about a week now and it's wonderful. Unbelievable power. One thing you'd isn't mention was the Magicycle has the ability to change how many pas levels you want up to 9 and the percentage of power on each level. So simple and fast to change you can do it when your stopped at a light. Great feature for first time riders. Hope this helps. Thank you Keith W.

[@bellyacres7846]

Ive seen that about the PAS lvl adjustments on the Pro also {nice feature} the display on the pro is much better than the kepler the kepler has NO adjustments for each PAS level, bummer How is the low end torque on the pro? how does the pro do on hill climbing? the keplers not so good, just a tiny bit better than my 48v 750 watt flurry. so im still searching for a better ebike. that M Pro is looking good, I need to see "if" its better at climbing [top speeds not so important to me] 20 mph is good enough & 28 to 30? is faster than I want to go on a trail. [ignore the limits ha ha]

[@johnhanson7991]

Thanks for a great review. I have the Magicycle Pro Step-thru and love it. I was worried about the greater speed option with a couple of other brands, but find that I am averaging 18-20 on most bike paths, and especially love the front basket and mirrors. I have over 100,000 on Gold Wings but am almost 80 years old & have decided to let that part of the adventure go. The two year warranty is a major plus to me. I've become a subscriber - good luck.

[@ElectricRidesUT]

That is awesome to hear that you're loving your Magicycle! Thank you!

[@Instantpower332]

John, I’m 70 and the Ocelot or the Deer will go plenty fast for me. Glad to se I’m not the only one who’s just getting up in years. May you have many more. Oh I told my wife I’m using Lectric 2.0s I should have done this years ago…

[@ronseguin7289]

I bought the Kepler V2, loving it.

[@ElectricRidesUT]

Great to hear! Kepler seems to be the smart choice.

[@18andlikeit]

Kepler for the win imo because of a couple things.. much taller vertical handle bar stem plus a long adjustable stem on top of that for much more upright riding position. The Kepler gearing is a major plus with a 52t chain ring to a 11t rear sprocket for the highest gear. This means a much more slower cadence at higher speeds. The Magicycle has a 44 or 42t chain ring to a 14t rear sprocket for the highest gear. This means you're spinning your legs like crazy to hit 28mph. And obviously the 1000w vs 750w motor. Much bigger, more sturdy rack on the Kepler. Unlock to 35+mph. These reasons and being $200 less makes the Kepler the better bike.

[@drobostoko5714]

Backrack looks more sturdy to me on the Magicycle. But the rest of the comment makes sense.

[@SmokeyTreats]

@Drobo Stoko Actually it's the opposite. The Kepler rear rack is larger & sturdier with a 77 lb capacity. The Magicycle one is dinky.

[@kenney5454]

Sorry for the repeats? I cant delete them, something screwy going on

[@joep.6307]

I want to buy a Kepler but customer service scares me

[@Instantpower332]

There is no question the Kepler is an amazing bike. I just turned 70 and unless I’m going down a very large hill . And living in New England we have some very large hills. Doing 28 mph is not something I’m looking to do. I really like the Ocelot but now after reading and watching on KZbin the Magicycle Deer with full suspension this really seems to be the E Bike for me. Also at least in my state. You can get a rebate if the bike is under 1000 w. And the motor they use is one of the best..

[@Joseph-kk8bq]

Your comparisons are excellent, as is your voice. I ordered the Cruiser Pro Step-Over Sunday and according to FedEx it will be delivered tomorrow. I hadn’t heard of Ariel when I made the decision (but I did comparisons to at least 7 other manufacturers). After learning that Ariel takes at least 6 weeks to ship, versus 2 business days for Magicycle, I don’t expect to be returning the bike. I have seen several complaints on the web about Ariel’s manufacturing defects, but none against Magicycle. I imagine that with the approx. 5 mph better speed, slightly higher torque, and $90 lower price, most people will agree with you and choose the Kepler. The Kepler might technically require a license plate, but I agree that could probably be avoided by claiming the display settings limit it to 750 watts and 20 mph. For all I know I will be scared to go faster than 20 mph, but if I find that 30 is not fast enough, I will buy a Kepler too and do my own comparisons! FYI, according to a video I saw, the Magicycle has adjustable handlebars too, although Magicycle does not advertise that feature. Nor do they advertise the USB charging; I learned about that feature from you. Another commenter claims that unlike the Ariel, the Magicycle has cruise control; if true, that advantage will be huge! Magicyle also has a significantly better website and more accessories, like batteries (as you mentioned). Bottom line is Ariel is really shooting themselves in the foot with their 6 week production delay. If not for that, I would choose their lower price and approx. 5 mph faster speed over Magicycle.

[@ElectricRidesUT]

You make a lot great points, it really is a tough choice between the two. Wow! That is super-quick delivery time!

[@tonycollins1278]

You should do Ariel. Its a lot better customer service.

[@bellyacres7846]

im leaning towards the pro too. the biggest concern for me is "actual" hillgrade climbing ability. the kep display adjustment are limited [in a few key [to me areas] the magic pro has a better display as for view, adjustability [IMO] anyway warranty & better known? goes to pro, Buut my largest question is the ability to climb a grade better on the pro?

[@raymondjones21]

Thank you for the comparison. Bought two Magicycle e-bikes (yet the new Ocelot step-thru has not been shipped). I ride my Magicycle cruiser every day and never regret the decision.

[@ElectricRidesUT]

Thank you! Love to hear people loving their ebikes!

[@cleophusfowler]

My wife and I chose the Magicycle. My wife got the Ocelot Pro and I chose the Deer. We're very happy with our choice. I really like this Ariel Rider Kepler though. I actually had never heard of it when we bought ours but one main deciding point for me was we have a Magicycle dealer locally so we were able to give our bikes a test ride before buying. We bought locally so the bikes were already assembled and ready to go as well as the bike rack for the car. Also I bought the demo Deer he had at 1,900.00 out the door because it had 52 miles on it and a very, very tiny scratch on the crank. All in all we're really happy, however if we had no choice but to order on line I'm sure we would have considered the Ariel Rider Kepler had I known about it. This was a great comparison video and I don't think you will regret purchasing either one.

[@electrifiedlatina3036]

I love your videos! Please keep ‘em coming more often :)

[@ElectricRidesUT]

Thank you! I really appreciate it!

[@FireCamSupport]

Great review on both bikes. I have to say the Areial Rider Kepler High Step is the one I would go with.

[@ElectricRidesUT]

Thank you much! The Kepler does indeed really seems like a great all-around bike!

[@kevinfotsch6421]

Ordered to Kepler is the end of July. And I don’t expect to get it until late August early September and for the reasons you just stated more than likely the reason why I went with the Kepler.

[@ElectricRidesUT]

Good choice! Looks like a solid bike

[@JEFFLOUD2007]

Thanks for taking the time to compare both E-bikes.? 👍👍👍

[@ElectricRidesUT]

No problem! Thank you for watching! 👍

[@Bustadhed]

I would definitely go with the Ariel Rider Kepler , for 1, I already have a Himiway Cruiser which I bought for $1500 2 years ago that's been fantastic and I figure that if somethings going to go wrong , it will happen within the 1st year. 2nd It's all about speed with me , I'd love to have a little more speed and power than my cruiser. It already goes 28 - 30mph and I get around 30 miles on a charge without peddling in favorable conditions . I've seen that the Rider only gets around 22 miles at aprox 36mph however. So I would definitely need at least 1 spare battery because this is my only form of transportation. Thank you for the fantastic breakdown .

[@birdsnest7883]

Love to see a comparison with the Kepler vs Aventon 2. Both seem to be really good E-bikes.

[@edwardenglish6919]

Best vs review I've seen. I would like to see a review of long distance touring road bikes with or without trailers.

[@ElectricRidesUT]

Thank you! Did you have one in mind?

[@sbukosky]

Even with the lesser warranty, the extra power of the Ariel Kepler is the feature that sells me. In the end, I'd prefer to test ride each, but probably not possible. I would like to learn more as far as how the service has been in the USA.

[@Hoggdoc1946]

Plus everyone remember the warranty is only as good as the company offering it. Most of the Chinese companies are not very good in that department.

[@wascallywabbit7102]

WOW! GREAT COMPARISON VIDEO! WELL DONE! I have already done my own comparison on these two with the Aventon Level. The Kepler won for various reasons, many mentioned in your video. There were a couple in the video I had not considered. These confirmed my choice of the Kepler. I love in Knoxville, TN and it is an uphill cycle climb going and returning in any direction; at times extremely steep, down right sick inclines. The sheer hill climbing torque is what caused me to return to this bike again and again, deciding to purchase. Still, I'm glad I watched this video. Very informative, well researched presentation. You have a new subscriber. Thank you!

[@ElectricRidesUT]

Thank you kindly. Glad that you liked the video! I appreciate it.

[@SteveHonas]

I ended up getting both the kepler and the cruiser but my go to bike is my kepler i being 290lbs i really enjoy the extra power that the kepler has and its just seams to be a larger stouter bike but i do cruise the cruiser from time to time both are great bikes

[@ElectricRidesUT]

That's awesome, thank you for the info! Just curious, have you found the max range that you get out of either bike? Or max speed?

[@garyderoy]

I have a couple more differences. I see someone has already mentioned the extra bottle cage mounting area on the Kepler. The Magicycle has the controller mounted there. The other thing is the weld quality. On the step thru versions (not sure about the other) the Kepler has polished the welds. It's a nice quality touch. All in all, I'm pretty sure anyone would be happy with either of these bikes.

[@MrBigboy5290]

Wow this was an amazing review 👏 thanks brother

[@ElectricRidesUT]

Thank you!

[@johannesvanhoek9080]

I have the high step Kepler , lots of nice features for less money and the workmanship is very very good

[@SmokeyTreats]

I got the low step two days ago, luv it.

[@alzworld3441]

I bought the Kepler and the stand over height is way off...the 28" is where the top bar connects with the seat post bar...I returned my Kepler and got the step thru model instead...still both of the bikes are very big...They actually changed the spec on their website based on a pic I sent them for where to measure, it's now listed at 31.5" stand over. They were very understanding of my position and offer great customer service and help. Top notch parts and a great running bike but really wish I would have bought a smaller size bike with either 20" or 24" tires. I'm 5'8" tall and these are big bikes for me...Can't imagine most females fitting on either one...If you are looking to buy please keep that in mind. The models they show in their ads must all be large adults...

[@kevinnashskitchen3517]

I got the low step Kepler with red accents.. Most everyone reports Kepler goes 35 or more with a fully charged battery on level ground.. Magicycle owners report 30 or 31 often..

[@lonestartex1]

Kepler has a 52 tooth chain ring which is a positive also. I have the Magicycle regular Cruiser with 1500 mi and I wish I got the Kepler. It is better where it counts for me... power. My MC can only hit 26 mph on a full charge and I weight 150lbs.

[@ryker102208]

Love my magicycle. I ride almost everyday. It climbs all the big hills here in knoxville tennessee.

[@ElectricRidesUT]

Great to hear!

[@jcolt84]

So much valuable information in this video!

[@truecrimeobserver]

Great video! I have a mid step Kepler with red and black. Love it

[@ElectricRidesUT]

Thank you. I don't think I've run into anyone who hasn't loved their Kepler - great bike!

[@markhouck5258]

Well, Well, Well ... 🤪 My Son has the Kepler and I must say Very Impressive! (WHAT A POWERFUL EBIKE) "I Think I'm Gonna Have To Get Me One" (Out Performs My 2 Other Ebikes) ... OG HOOKED ON THE KEPLER TOO ...

[@kevinfotsch6421]

I’ll be getting my aerial rider Kepler at the end of this month August I’ll find out just how good that electric bike is thanks for the information seems pretty thorough I’ll be putting my words in soon when I get the bike

[@bernievassallo3336]

Hi Kevin how are you liking the Kepler

[@trini_boi2414]

It was never a tough choice for me the Kepler was always my choice..the warranty from the competition do make it somewhat attractive but in my case I know how to work on ebikes so it don't matter..

[@megaboz42]

re: the mounting points, my V1 high step Kepler has a second set of mounting points on the downtube under the battery (visible briefly at 12:44) providing another option for mounting a bottle cage/other accessory (in the same location Magicycle has placed the controller on their bike). I noticed that the images available on Ariel Rider's web site don't show these mounting points. I'm not sure if the mid step also has this second mounting point, but it would solve the stand over height issue on the mid step if it does.

[@opbear1]

Thanks for the comparison I’m choosing the Ariel Rider seems to give you a little more for a little less money but both seem like great e-bikes

[@ElectricRidesUT]

Agree with you there, it definitely is a tough choice between the two! Thank you!

[@DARIVSARCHITECTVS]

Great review. Looking at a future purchase of a Kepler.

[@Instantpower332]

Great review on both bikes. I’m going to get the Magicycle Ocelot Pro true Step thro.. 20” tires…

[@ElectricRidesUT]

Good choice, I really like the Ocelot as well.

[@megaboz42]

I have both the Magicycle and Kepler and can confirm that at high speeds you are ghost pedaling on the Magicycle (it tops out around 28-29 mph) but on the Kepler at high speeds (30+ mph) it is possible to pedal and get a few extra mph (someone who is in better shape than I can likely get more than a few more mph out of it).

[@ElectricRidesUT]

Thank you for that info! Good to know

[@dagobaker]

u should do a dual review and post the link here just how much more powerful does the kepler feel? which bike appears to b higher quality?

[@mad151maxx4]

im 6 1 245 and throttle only I get 30-32mph, pas 5 avg cadence 34-37mph, max 41+ and can feel the pedal as hard I can muster. hope helps

[@donnieking5309]

Thanks for your comment I'm very interested in the kepler I think it's a great bike.

[@bigonebikes]

@@mad151maxx4 which bike are you referring to? Migicycle or Kepler?

[@shawsr7]

Excellent review. Very creditable.

[@ElectricRidesUT]

Thank you much!

[@mad151maxx4]

great video bother, i got first ebike last year XP2.0 ST. great bike for what it is. BUT I'm a bigger person 6 2 245. good shape . i driven majic,himiway, and I JUST ngot MY AR KEPLER yesterday. and there is NO ghostpedaling. I'm getting 30-32 throttle only. pas 5 34-37. and pedaling hard I get on flat 40-43.

[@dagobaker]

how about an idea on the mileage your getting out of the Kepler? im 6foot 205#... would love to get an idea on range..... with heavy pedaling..... vs moderate... vs all throttle ...... appreciate it

[@mad151maxx4]

@@dagobaker i wll once "BLAZE" is back running, rotor was warped in shipping wondering why so hard to pedal and range was crap. fingers crossed.

[@mad151maxx4]

@@dagobaker i average 25miles per charge no matter how i drive cause i really never take it easy

[@SmokeyTreats]

@@mad151maxx4 How low do you let it get before recharging & do you charge to 100%?

[@mad151maxx4]

@@SmokeyTreats 20% if I can. I have ran it completely dead. But I try to get home before under 20%

[@ericechipman1183]

You failed to mention about the displays and the capabilities that lie within them, the magic cycle display has cruise control on it, plus you can adjust your pedal assist levels to determine what type of power output you want in each level. The Kepler does not have cruise control and you cannot adjust your pedal assist power in each level

[@spaded1]

Where can you find the cruise control option on the magicycle? I've seen a few people mention it but I don't see it on mine. I got the cruiser pro.

[@jocera]

great review, thank you

[@ElectricRidesUT]

Thanks for watching!

[@E-Ryders]

A very "huge" difference is where their controllers are. Controllers in the back are more preferred cause they will get less damage from water and other debris, so the Kepler wins that battle.

[@davidrumbolt7940]

Been thinking about buying a fat tire e-bike and viewing different brands. Your video is very informative and I have made a decision! Thanks. When I purchase the bike and get a few 100kms on it I’ll share some feedback. Thanks again.

[@ElectricRidesUT]

That's great to hear! Looking forward to hearing how you're liking it.

[@davidrumbolt7940]

@@ElectricRidesUT just logged in to Kepler site, unfortunately they won’t ship to Canada. What a letdown!!!

[@johnforbes9007]

@@davidrumbolt7940 Try Wicked Freedom ebikes

[@bpoydras1503]

You said the low step Kepler comes in only two colors, Black/Blue & Grey/Pink. However, Black/Red is available as well.

[@ElectricRidesUT]

I thought there was another color but I couldn't find it listed ANYWHERE. Thank you

[@af31ns]

Minimum rider height for the Kepler low step is 5'2" in my family. And that means the seat is all the way down, which is kind of tricky. You have to rotate the seat to the side, lower it so the bottom of the seat is below the rack, and then rotate the seat back in place. This means the underside of the seat is below the rack, and the top part of the seat is above or nearly flush with the rack.

[@erpringle]

The one major difference between these two Bikes is that while the magicycle cruiser pro controller is a 20 amp controller, the Kepler is a 33 amp controller. This is major. This is 675 watts more power and that is a big difference.

[@AvocadoAtrocity]

The Ariel rider has been updated months ago and is different than what you posted. There's a Kepler V2. The headlight is much better and the taillight has a turn signal on the CURRENTLY SHIPPING Keplers.

[@ElectricRidesUT]

Thank you for reminding me.. yes, this is for the V1 Kepler.. sans turn signals.

[@mad151maxx4]

yep, just got mine tue 8/9. dif code too. 1919. taillight is great just wish a touch bigger but light shape is awsome. be sure to check everything, my rear rotor is warped and front needs something. makes noise when med/hjeavy pressure starts gurgling/grinding. rotors coming in friday.but half to take toa shop so maybe ill get money reinbursted. this bike is INSANELY AWSOME though. and I think there's something still holding it back. i have riden both plus others, nothing compares. like I said I think you can get 140nM's out of KEPLER.

[@AvocadoAtrocity]

@@mad151maxx4 you might need to burn in/set the brakes.

[@mad151maxx4]

@@AvocadoAtrocity whats that mean? you mean bedding ? rear rotor is warped to sh t shop couldn't even fix, so bad front pads or rotorhas scratch in it or somthing

[@kevinnashskitchen3517]

And I have never heard of a Kepler that didn't do at least 35 mph on flat ground with any weight of rider.

[@darinsmith2458]

Do you think you need full suspension on these bikes?

[@rcud1]

A 52v battery may be same as a 48v with the bms showing it at 52v when fully charged. I have 48v solar batteries that are almost 54v when fully charged and get down to about 46v when about 1% left. Your 12v car battery often runs at 14.4v.

[@nyxdoc2801]

outstanding job....thank you

[@ElectricRidesUT]

Thank you! Glad you liked it!

[@kevinnashskitchen3517]

Just a short note. I did get the 75 mile range on my Kepler, keeping it under 16 mph however.

[@ElectricRidesUT]

Woah, that's crazy-good range there. Pas 1, mostly flat land, with minimum starts and stops?

[@kevinnashskitchen3517]

@@ElectricRidesUT set to 28 mph max speed .. PAS 1-3 and just a few throttle bursts to cross busy area. Small grade hills on occasion . I'm about 190lbs .. Yes keeping it under 17 mph and lights on 2 hours of those ..

[@Altema22]

Excellent comparison, and although you did not have the bikes to toss around in person, you went the extra mile with your research. For me it would be the Keppler, but that puts me in a quandary. Locked to genuine class 2, there's nothing outstanding about the speed. Unlock it, and the bike is illegal, yet can't be registered as a moped unless it has a VIN. Ariel rider flaunts being above the law, but no one is sure how long that gravy train will last. No, I'm not a killjoy, and I actually ride a52v dual Tesla battery RadMini that peaks at 3200 watts and 45mph.

[@ElectricRidesUT]

I've seen your RadMini on a few of Shreddie's videos. I love what you've done with it! I agree and struggle with the whole ebike legality thing as well. On one hand I would want everyone to stay within the class 1-3 regulations and ride responsibly but I do see the desire/need for faster speed ebikes.

[@Trumps_Idiocracy_2024]

I would have gone Ariel Rider but after realizing I really wanted a folder eBike, I went Amp Rides. 1500w/90nm motor, 48/25 battery, 40amp controller. A little more expensive but worth it as I know what kind of support I'll be getting.

[@bellyacres7846]

nice site/picture comparison how about real world comparison? Ive seen the kepler has a high top speed [same on the site] low speed or a hill climb? the keplers not so good - about the same as my 48v flurry in that. just "slightly" better, but not good enough. how does the magicycle compare in actual ride performance? this Im too cheap to buy one & see. nope no shops within 200 miles of here :(

[@ourholm]

Excellent comparison review!!!!! Thank you for comparing these two very similar e-bikes! How do the seats compare and are they comfortable to sit on for a couple hours of riding?

[@ElectricRidesUT]

Thank you. They seem pretty similar and basic as far as your average bike saddles go. Some riders like firm/basic seats and some prefer plush/wide seats, so most of the time it's hard to say if someone will consider them comfortable or not.

[@af31ns]

Great review, however, my Kepler does not have a usb charging port in the display as indicated in the video. Maybe that's because I got the first version. You are also not limited to 5 levels of assist with the Kepler. You can change the assist levels up to as many as 9, but that doesn't make the bike go faster. It just divides the speed range into that many target points. In other words, if I set it to have 4 levels of assist, Level 4 will hit the top speed of 32 mph, whereas with 9 levels of assist, Level 4 will only go up to 19 mph. Level 9 will hit 32.

[@ElectricRidesUT]

Odd about the missing charging port - is it the same style/design but just missing the port?

[@kevinfotsch6421]

I also have a Krebok ES 750 phone bike but I can’t get any accessories except a battery or brakes can’t get fender or bike rack that’s why I wanna head and got the commuter bike by aerial rider probably wouldn’t have had been able to get a rack and fenders for the cream box because it is a pretty potent little bike only 20 inches though

[@ElectricRidesUT]

I'll have to check that one out, this is the first I've heard of it. Thank you

[@realestatestudent213]

great informative video!

[@ElectricRidesUT]

Glad you thought so, thank you!

[@drobostoko5714]

It's funny that you give recommendation at the end but only link to buy from the other brand :D

[@ElectricRidesUT]

Yeah, unfortunately Ariel Rider only provides referrals to those that have purchased an ebike from them. Otherwise, I would have put both. 😅

[@drobostoko5714]

@@ElectricRidesUT area 13 blackbird is even better :)

[@kevinnashskitchen3517]

Bike seat heights are more important for good full pedal and leg extension.. Step over height important when needing to stop and wait. Getting on and off.. I would suggest getting a smaller framed bike from another manufacturer if you need to put both feet down when stopping And are short.

[@joegarland2224]

The Kepler can b changed to 9 pas levels in the settings

[@ElectricRidesUT]

Good to know, thank you!

[@fajitaninja8088]

Great video! Does anyone know what cargo boxes these are? 15:38

[@JeffersonRah]

I want a bike that goes up to 40-50 mph. Any suggestions?

[@notsoanonymous2458]

Check out Surron and Delfast.

[@ElectricRidesUT]

That's getting more into the performance ebike/electric motorcycle area. ONYX ebikes, Delfast, and Sur-Rons.

[@JeffersonRah]

Thank you guys. Surron looks great. I'm currently in ca but I doubt it'll be legal to ride in most areas. I might just do it anyways

[@JeffersonRah]

@@notsoanonymous2458 thank you

[@JeffersonRah]

@@ElectricRidesUT thank you

[@Marcus_is_Fishing]

i know people who have both of these, and i have a kepler. If anyone is actually looking for a good ebike, the kepler is going to be the winner for long term performance and they have better customer service.

[@younggun454]

Ariel Rider Kepler is thumb throttle handle grip throttle?

[@ElectricRidesUT]

Looks to be a half grip twist throttle on the right.

[@alzworld3441]

Half grip twist...I have the Kepler bike...

[@nathlang2314]

Does either Magicycle or Kepler makes 3'' tire instead of fat tire. If not can we install 3'' tire on these 4'' rim ebike. Thanx for advise.

[@RobertMacCready]

Did I understand you to say you never had either bike? How do you do a review without riding each bike?

[@ElectricRidesUT]

Correct, this video is a stats-comparison review

[@DerpaDerpaDooo]

How accurate are the payload limitations? I would think that with the larger motor you would have a higher weight capacity

[@ElectricRidesUT]

Payload capacities have more to do with legal liabilities than what the motor/frame/etc can actually handle. I think it's safe to assume both ebikes can easily handle at least double the cargo capacities that are listed.

[@drathen1556]

@@ElectricRidesUT Thank you for this answer. As a heavier guy I'm more attuned to the weight limits of these e-bikes than most people and thought the 300lb limit on the Kepler seemed a little low given how big and sturdy the bike is. There is a KZbinr who I believe weighs around 370lbs and rides a Grizzly with no issues.

[@SmokeyTreats]

@@drathen1556 Got a Kepler two days ago. The manual states 320 lbs weight limit.

[@bernievassallo3336]

@@SmokeyTreats hi… how long was your wait…bout 6 weeks?…thanks!

[@SmokeyTreats]

@@bernievassallo3336 It was four weeks to the day.

[@1dash133]

Good heads up comparison. The only thing that it lacks is hands-on experience. Paper comparisons can only go so far. I agree with your conclusion, between the two, I'd pick the Kepler. However, what I personally purchased was the Ocelot Pro. I'm short. I'm a senior. I've been injury-prone. Accessibility is a must feature for me. The Ocelot is well-suited for riders like me. I'm very happy with my choice. It's fast, it's nimble, and it has plenty enough range for my needs. It beats the hills of everything in my neighborhood. There is one steep hill in downtown that I haven't tried yet (I'm not proficient enough to try to ride it in traffic).

[@sergeforest1772]

Do they sell it canada

[@ElectricRidesUT]

I believe both Ariel Rider and Magicycle are available in Canada as well. Their sites have the option to switch from USD to CAD so I'm assuming that they will.

[@richardm893]

Can you swap the batteries on these two?

[@erpringle]

Kepler is a way better deal but you have to wait for them as they are backordered.

[@larrbaII]

I have the Magicycle Cruiser (not the pro but the 2.0) with that said the only problem i have with both bikes is the warrantee. You will have to look at the websites. this is a defect warrantee and may be subject to prorate for say the battery/moter/controller. just something to keep in mind. i don't see there being much of a problem with ether one really.

[@gasparole]

Can someone tell me if I can fit any of these bikes in the trunk of a toyota camry....

[@ElectricRidesUT]

I'd think you'd have a hard time fitting either in the trunk of a Camry. Maybe if your back seats fold down and you remove the front wheel and handlebars. Even then I think it may be difficult. Probably better off with a ebike hitch rack or even a folding ebike.

[@gasparole]

@@ElectricRidesUT Thank you very much. I think a rooftop rack is a good idea.

[@gasparole]

@@Pidgeys With a backhoe that I have in my backyard.

[@gasparole]

@@Pidgeys Easy, mount the bike and ride it down... wearing a helmet, knee pads and gloves of course.

[@gasparole]

@@Pidgeys Actually I don't own a Camry, my brother does, so I wanted him to drive with my bike here to Puerto Rico where they don't mail the Kepler. There's no backhoe. Sorry

[@eddiejefferies3659]

The Magicycle has mechanical disc brakes, not hydraulic as you have stated.

[@ElectricRidesUT]

The regular Cruiser comes with mechanical but the Cruiser Pro comes with hydraulic brakes

[@bryan3dguitar]

If mid-drive eBikes are supposed to be superior (more gear-generated torque at the rear wheel for better hill-climbing) to hub-drive bikes, why are most eBikes still hub-drive, regardless of price?

[@ElectricRidesUT]

That would depend on what price range you're referring to. Economy/budget ebikes (priced up to about $2.5k) are almost all hub-motors but most other ebikes $3k and up are almost primarily mid-drive motors. Especially if you're considering e-mountain bikes. If you try to ride mountain bike trails with a hub-drive ebike, you're going to have a bad time.. or so I'm told lol.

[@bobpeticolas121]

One note - the Magicycle two year warranty ONLY includes the frame and the battery. The rest of the components have a seven DAY warranty.

[@ElectricRidesUT]

Not sure what Magicycle's warranty exactly is. Magicycle's warranty terms are worded very poorly but from what I understand. "All Magicycle bikes are covered under our 2-year, all-inclusive manufacturer's warranty for the owner against all manufacturing defects." The section that mentions the 7 day coverage is under the "Parts and Components" section which makes be think they are referring to the separate replacement parts that are purchased separately through their site (like if you buy a battery charger separately). Their warranty also states "Magicycle will offer free components and replacement parts" but will charge for shipping. So, who knows. They definitely need to clarify their warranty - or maybe it's muddy on purpose.

[@bobpeticolas121]

@@ElectricRidesUT Yes, looks like they improved their warranty from when I first reviewed it. It still reads, however, "The Warranty of the frame, forks, handlebar, seat post, saddle, brakes, lights, crank-set, pedals, rims, wheel hub, freewheel, cassette, derailleur, shifter, motor, throttle, controller, wiring harness, LCD, kickstand, reflectors, and hardware only extends one week after receiving the goods."!

[@genesishep]

The motor power difference makes the Kepler tempting however the regular reports of damaged bikes upon receipt even with undamaged packaging (which means it was damaged at the factory where it was boxed for shipping)and refusal to offer replacement unless you paid for the extra shipping guarantee and bad warranty service or refusal to acknowledge their warranty makes Ariel Rider no-go/able at all cost brand from the get-go. I don't know much about Magiycle either so for all I know they treat their customers similarly however the two-year warranty, if they actually honor it, would make that one of the biggest pluses to consider. Because when/if stuff breaks, a 1 year warranty for a powerful bike produced by a company that tells you to pound sand when you try to get assistance is worthless.

[@geemy9675]

battery voltage doesn't increase capacity or max power output which are related to the number of cells and individual cells characteristics. changing the serial parallel configuration trades Volts vs Ah and A. for same battery size and motor, more voltage means higher rpm, less torque and better efficiency. of course, as long as the motor supports the voltage and amperage. battery should be designed around the motor, and ideally provide both the highest voltage and highest amps that it can take. from there, adding more Ah will simply increase capacity and also will make sure the battery doesn't overheat during heavy use, but usually a BMS will do it anyway.

[@Altema22]

Voltage does increase overall storage capacity. A 48 volt battery pack has 13 cells per string, a 52 volt battery has 14 cells per string. Not a huge difference in the real world (960Wh versus 1040Wh), only enough to give you 41.6 miles instead of 38.4 miles at a usage rate of 25Wh per mile, but it is SOME difference 😉. The bigger difference is speed (kv x V=RPM), but even in that department the difference is not huge by itself, which is why I use field weakening. Maximum amperage output is a factor of the cell discharge rate and the BMS, but companies usually put a more robust BMS in higher voltage batteries.

[@geemy9675]

@@Altema22 depends on the Ah the base juice ripracer has a 52v 10Ah battery some 48V ebikes have much more capacity

[@AndyTanguay]

Kepler FTW

[@albertgein3082]

Just finding out about the Kepler it's on back order dam it

[@SmokeyTreats]

Mine's arriving Monday, exactly 4 weeks from the day I placed the order. Sux, but not too bad.

[@albertgein3082]

@@SmokeyTreats ok good info

[@bigpappajr7854]

Magicycle all day!!

[@samuelramos2917]

Want to trade Biktrix stunner?

[@gordjohnson70]

ocelot pro looks good.

[@ElectricRidesUT]

I definitely like it too!

[@turquoisesky654]

🖤

[@geekdomo]

Kepler

[@stormywinds6497]

Have Kepler. To tall for me. Sitting in garage. No miles on it. And can’t sell 😑

[@HeinrichEichmann]

You may want to read what the Magicycle's "2 Year Warranty" DOES NOT cover and what the Kepler's 1 Year warranty DOES and get back to us.

[@ElectricRidesUT]

From what I've read from both company's warranty they cover and don't cover the same things.

[@HeinrichEichmann]

@@ElectricRidesUT Maybe you should take another look so your viewers know what each company actually covers. From Magicycle and Ariel Rider's webpages. --Magicycle warranty: Parts not typically covered include but are not limited to: brakes, brake pads, cassette, chains, chain rings, controller, crankset, derailleur, forks, freewheel, handlebar, hardware seat post, kickstand lights, LCD display pedals, motor, reflectors, rims saddle, shifter, spokes, tires/tubes, throttle, wiring harness, wheel hub kickstand. --Ariel Rider warranty: Ariel Rider Ebikes’ bicycle components including frame, forks, stem, handlebar, headset, seat post, saddle, brakes, lights, bottom bracket, crankset, pedals, rims, wheel hub, freewheel, cassette, derailleur, shifter, motor, throttle, controller, wiring harness, LCD display, and hardware are warranted to be free from manufacturer defects in materials and/or workmanship for a one-year period from the date of receiving the order.

[@ElectricRidesUT]

@@HeinrichEichmann Yep, I saw this from Magicycle's page before and was concerned.. but after re-reading it a few times got the impression that it was just worded very poorly. From what I read - Magicycle covers manufacturer defects and not wear and tear due to regular use and gave those parts you listed as examples of components that would "wear out" with normal wear and tear kind of use. Ariel Rider makes a point to say the exact same thing, with much less wording. They list all the components they will cover - and then make a note that their warranty does NOT cover - "Normal wear and tear of any covered component". Essentially saying what most ebike manufacturers in this price range say - wear and tear is usually always stipulated as something they will not cover even on components that they will cover normally.

[@dagobaker]

@@HeinrichEichmann im confused.... sounds like the warranty is useless? unless u can prove it came not working from the start

[@HeinrichEichmann]

@@dagobaker I'm not an attorney but I did pretty well in 'Reading and Comprehension' in grade school lol. What I read from Magicycle's warranty is "Parts not typically covered" and then a list of parts followed which to me means the parts are not covered. A member from the Magicycle owners group on Facebook reported his motor bound up after 15 miles and all they offered him was a discount on a new motor. What also concerned me was when I asked the rep in chat how long was the warranty on the motor and they said "3-6" months"??? whatever that means. If you have a claim I'm sure they'll refer you to what is written under their warranty rather than what an unknown rep said in chat.

[@erpringle]

If they were the same price I would probably buy the magicycle just for the C.S.

[@vigilant_1934]

This is a decent comparison video but it's not a review since you don't have the bikes yourself and can't tell us your experiences with these bikes. That's important to point out since anyone can look at these bikes online and talk about them (I'm doing that right now) but it's knowledge of how they actually operate and ride plus the unboxing and assembling information as well as charging that matters. You can't tell us how fast they actually charge can you? Marketing claims don't count. Have you done a range test, top speed test, or hill test?

[@kaleyaaaadventure8732]

Bought a kepler,lasted a year,electrical blowout,one month past warrenty so they wouldnt cover it when its an obvious premature failure,1900$

[@bigfoot-g4i]

cause thay had to name it after a german scientist not english scientist,thats our special relationship which ive never supported since grant took richmond

[@mjsmjs7905]

I wish Ariel Rider would sell just just the electronics by its self. The rest of the bike is garbage.

[@jdgoesham5381]

Yea the whole legality thing with wattage. I never had a cop every even ask me about how fast or powerful or anything in 5 yrs of ebiking, but from day 1 I put stickers on my bike saying it was 750 watts. And I did it with my next couple that were 1400 and 1800 watts. Just don't get busted on the streets going over 25 and there's no probable cause to even make you show them your bike. And if they ask say no and you're late. And then just explain you weren't breaking the law so they don't have any probable cause to detain you. Yea follow ORDERS, but if they ASK they know they don't have PC and are fishing. Don't rat yourself out being a scardey cat. But also don't be a dangerous douche and ride a mountain bike 35+ mph on the side of the road when they're not really designed to maneuver that fast. It's a disaster waiting to happen. Plus it's hard to go around nails and glass and shit all over the roads and you'll just have do drop 100+ on a new tire.

[@tonycollins1278]

Magicycle

[@ElectricRidesUT]

I've heard Magicycle can be hit or miss so that's too bad. Hopefully, they can get their act together since overall I think they have an attractive model lineup.

[@JoeyToronto]

I would never buy from Magicycle again, horrible customer service! Never again!

[@macchandler7444]

YOU SAY hYD BRAKES - BUT YOU SHOW A mECHANICAL BRAKE IN THE VIDEO

[@ElectricRidesUT]

Doh! You're right, not sure how I missed that one! lol thanks.

[@Square-Watermelon]

Jesus is God & He loves you Jesus will soon be seen by all men, women, and children in the clouds. Jesus is returning now! Believe and be saved. Exodus 3:14 (God speaking) And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. John 8:58 (Jesus speaking) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 10:30 (Jesus speaking) I and my Father are one. Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, *The everlasting Father,* The Prince of Peace. Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, *God with us.* John 1:1 & 14 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 14 And the Word was made flesh (Lord Jesus), and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 8:24 (Jesus speaking) I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. John 14:9 (Jesus speaking) Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? Hebrews 1:1-3, & 8 (God calls His Son "O God" because Jesus IS God in the flesh) 1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; *and every eye shall see him,* and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. Isaiah 44:6 (God speaking) Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Revelation 1:8 (Jesus speaking) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, *the Almighty.* Revelation 22:13 (Jesus speaking) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. --- There Are None Righteous / How To Be Saved Romans 3:10 & 23 10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Luke 5:31-32 (Jesus speaking) 31 And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. 32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. 1 Peter 3:18 (The word “quicken” means “to make alive”) For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Ephesians 2:8-9 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. Repent of your sins or suffer the consequences. Lord Jesus died in our places personally to take the death punishment that sin deserves and then resurrected by the power of God. Believe this and sincerely repent of your sins each time you sin and you will have eternal life and nothing to fear. Fail to repent and you will end up in the Lake of Fire.

[@joebearinmaine]

Gòôd job.

[@Square-Watermelon]

@@joebearinmaine All of the world's little children will be taken to Heaven by Lord Jesus to escape the end of the world. They will suddenly disappear into thin air all at once. Right before the final 7 years of mankind's rebellion to God's will is initiated (called the Tribulation / apocalypse) there will be a great rescue of the little children from earth to Heaven. Lord Jesus will have taken them home to safety. This includes little babies and toddlers and even those babies that are still growing from conception in their mother's wombs. Matthew 19:14 (Jesus speaking) But Jesus said, Let the children come to me. Don’t stop them! For the Kingdom of Heaven belongs to those who are like these children. Matthew 24:19 (Jesus speaking) How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! (At the start of the Tribulation - why not dreadful for the children themselves?) Isaiah 47:9 But these two things shall come to thee in a moment in one day, the loss of children... Isaiah 49:22 & 25 22 Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they (angels) shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders. 25 ...and I will save thy children. Jeremiah 10:20 My home is gone, and no one is left to help me rebuild it. My children have been taken away, and I will never see them again. Jeremiah 31:15 This is what the Lord says: A cry is heard in Ramah, deep anguish and bitter weeping. Rachel weeps for her children, refusing to be comforted for her children are gone. Micah 1:16 Shave your heads in sorrow, for the children you love will be snatched away. Make yourselves as bald as a vulture, for your little ones have been removed from you! Right after the little children are rescued from what's coming the next major event to happen will be a major asteroid impact. This will come with signs of light in the skies heralding its arrival 3 days in advance, described below. Matthew 24:27 (Jesus speaking) For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Luke 10:18 (Jesus speaking) And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. This next bit comes from dreams and visions God has given us over the years. The skies turning colors is directly in reference to Matthew 24:27 where Jesus warned us that there would be a crazy light show going on right before the 2nd rapture. Jesus Himself set the course of the coming asteroid in order to wake people from their sleep. Upon impact this asteroid will cause a 12.0 earthquake, a mega flaming shockwave for many hundreds of miles, world wide mega tsunamis, will split America in two, and will even stop time for 3 days as the sun and moon will stay in their places in the sky for those 3 days, and finally will kill millions of people. This asteroid is going to land between the island of Mona and the city of Mayaguez, Puerto Rico at 2:00am Puerto Rico time. (We know the hour, but not the date). When you see these final signs you'll know it's beginning: - The skies all over the entire world will turn colors like the auras - After that the skies will turn red for 3 days as a final warning - Then the asteroid hits - Then the 3 days of darkness arrive where all the light on the earth is extinguished. No light from the sun or moon or stars. It will be so dark you will be blind. Revelation 8:8-9 (The asteroid) 8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; 9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. We now know that we’re waiting for the children to be taken home and the skies to turn colors like the auras. When the skies start acting up, there’s 3 days left and we know the asteroid impacts at 2:00am Puerto Rico time. --- There Are None Righteous / How To Be Saved Romans 3:10 & 23 10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Luke 5:31-32 (Jesus speaking) 31 And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. 32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. 1 Peter 3:18 (The word “quicken” means “to make alive”) For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Ephesians 2:8-9 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. Repent of your sins or suffer the consequences. Lord Jesus died in our places personally to take the death punishment that sin deserves and then resurrected by the power of God. Believe this and sincerely repent of your sins each time you sin and you will have eternal life and nothing to fear. Fail to repent and you will end up in the Lake of Fire.

[@erpringle]

The motor has nothing to do with the power, it's the controller and this guy doesn't even mention that as it is the major difference. 20 amp vs. 33 amp.

[@ElectricRidesUT]

No, I'm just trying to compare the 2 different bikes. Not educate on the basics of how ebike motors/controllers work. I already made a video about that.

[@JohnBowl14690]

Major difference? Kepler has about 10% more torque and speed. That's it. If you want something that makes a big difference, get a Bafang BBSHD which has 160mn torque. 99% of the time you won't ever need the difference. I wouldn't get either of these bikes. I'd spend the extra money on getting a step through. Or just wait for about 4 years when the newer bikes that will come with belt drives and internal hubs. For now, there is little advantage between most bikes unless you go to a moped type with dual motors like the Grizzly. I didn't get the Grizzly because it's a $600 ticket if you get caught on public street.

[@SmokeyTreats]

@XST Media Please list just one example a Grizzly owner has been fined $600 anywhere in the country...

[@FatHulkRideEbike]

A single 750 watt motor is lame. 1,000 watt motor with 1,800 watt peak is awesome.