MAGNA LITE WR SG / vivobarefoot boots for hike and trail run

[@AndrewFolts]

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[@handinhandcreative]

Thanks, bud. I was just looking at these to replace my gobis for trail running. And maybe something a bit more aggressive for diverse trails. I was hoping you mentioned the running bit and I’m so glad you did, because on the site I was thinking,… “i could run in those!” Ha. As always, you’re killing it. Much love dude!

[@AndrewFolts]

Yea, I could see you liking them after the Gobi's. Bear in mind that they won't work as well for roads, because the deep lugs will get chewed up a lot faster than the Gobi's flatter sole. But def a trail beast. The Vivo Trail Knit would be another good pick. Not as grippy for heavy mud, but more versatile for all terrain.

[@Gman1024]

They look well made, I really dig the treads.

[@AndrewFolts]

No doubt. Vivo's SG tread is killer and even more flexible than the FG tread.

[@robclarke2426]

You seem to be reading my mind at the moment with these reviews, all the shoes I’ve been looking at or buying, and there you are. 😆 My Magna lite WR SG came last week. Taken them out 3 times so far and really digging them! The non-WR version of this shoe got really good feedback, but I’ve heard many people express concerns about the breathability of this WR version in summer. I’m not worried about that, these feel pretty airy to me, replace the thermal insole for a start! Plus with the WR you have a more versatile, trail shoe you can wear in the spring/fall too for when you get caught out with the weather. The high flexibility and ground feel of this SG sole surprised me and I love it. I haven’t been impressed with the rigidity of the sole (and ankle) of some of the vivo hiking boot options tbh. But this Magna is ace, I could go all day in these bad boys.

[@AndrewFolts]

Yea, I could see it getting a little steamy at like 80-90º in the summer, but otherwise it's super versatile. Def loving the SG tread, it's really flexible and grippy. Just makes you want to take off!

[@lopon12]

My magnas are probably my favourite ❤

[@AndrewFolts]

Right? The upper is so frickin' cozy!

[@HackSparrow8]

Thanks for the video, recently started consuming your stuff after doing research for my second season of climbing CO 14ers. One interesting thing I noted is that Vivo shoes across the board seem to be pretty heavy in comparison to other brands. Not sure if they weigh shoes differently or just more quality materials but yeah.

[@AndrewFolts]

Depends on the model. For example, the Magna's are only 332 grams for size 44 and the Softstar Switchback (a similar boot) is 383 grams. I do like the Magna series more than the Tracker series for agility, but sometimes a heavier boot is nice when you're on hardcore terrain.

[@HackSparrow8]

@@AndrewFolts yeah I think there are just a so many variables that go into the weight. Recently I ordered the Lems Primal Pursuit Mid Waterproof which is 334g and has some padding. Was a little hesitant to go all the way to Vivobarefoot for hiking. So will see how it goes!

[@majamidzor3801]

Would you say they would fit wider feet with higher arch? Nothing extreme but wider than regular.. Thanks 🙋‍♀️

[@AndrewFolts]

Yea, they've got lots of room, especially with the thin fabric and stretchy collar.

[@2024Alfredo]

What about sizing? My foot is a 9.5. But i wear a 10.5 in Merrell trail gloves. I was thinking of ordering and 11 in these vivobarefoot.

[@AndrewFolts]

My foot's 10.5 in long and the 11 fits me with room at the toe. If your foot is 9.5, it seems like 11 would be too long. Vivo's are fairly roomy in length.

[@2024Alfredo]

Great thank for the help. You videos are very helpful . I live in New Hampshire a like to hike the mountains in the presidential range. Looking for a better boot then my Moab. I end up just wearing trail gloves but a little water resistant would be good. Vivobarefoot seem like a good option.

[@AndrewFolts]

@@2024Alfredo For sure, Vivo's got lots of great water resistant trail shoes.

[@doesntmatter7389]

Great review! Excited to get these especially at 30% off Thank you!

[@AndrewFolts]

Nice! That's a lot for Vivo's, have fun out there!

[@simoneala3]

hi Andrew, thanks for the video, I really like these boots and I want to used as my day-to-day in the city, I live in the northwest, do you think the sole will be gone too quick in the city environment?

[@AndrewFolts]

Yea, it's meant for soft ground. I'd go with the Primus Lite All-Weather for city use. It'll be a lot more comfortable and durable on roads. bit.ly/48BJEEx

[@Moving4Well]

Watching from the UK, your reviews are so damn good. Whats your view on the breathability compared to day the magna forest esc? Which do you thibk would be a better multi-purpose shoe not just for the wet and mud? Thanks! 😊

[@AndrewFolts]

The ESC sole is better for mixed terrain, but it's also thicker and heavier feeling. I can run in the Magna Lite, but not in a ESC tread. Breathability is slightly better with the Lite, because it's so thin. That said, if you're on firm ground more than 50% of the time I'd go with an ESC or FG sole.

[@Moving4Well]

@@AndrewFolts thanks so much for replying 😀. Ive also considered the Decon FG2 - do you think I'd be compromising a lot regarding water resistance compared to the Magna Forrest ESC or the Tracker Forrest ESC? I don't make a habit of jumping in puddles, but I spend a lot of time out with my kids in parks and woods in the wet.

[@AndrewFolts]

@@Moving4Well The Decon's water resistance is still good being leather. and you can treat it with beeswax. You'd just have to watch out for water splashing up onto the sock liner tongue at the top, which could get wet.

[@CptAngelADVlogs]

Great analysis as always. I just wanted to ask, how does the water resistance compare to the Magna Forest ESC? The ESC gets water through the wool collar when submerged. Is it the same with the WR or have they used a different material there that's more water resistant? The WRs are discounted right now and I was thinking of getting them to use in the Rain and walking through puddles etc. I need them to be able to handle at least a few minutes of submersion in the water. Do you think they're sufficiently more waterproof than the ESC to warrant a buy? Thanks!

[@AndrewFolts]

Yea, water will still come through the collar if you're in a deep puddle, say. No "water-resistant" shoe is going to survive two minutes of submersion, They're really only meant for rain and shallow puddles, wet grass, etc. The resistance is similar to my Magna FG's, which shed water well, but will soak through eventually standing too long in deep puddles.

[@CptAngelADVlogs]

@@AndrewFolts Alright so they're similar to the ESC version. Well I guess you just saved me some money haha

[@doesntmatter7389]

@@CptAngelADVlogsrecently got hooked on Vivos. Bought these, super comfortable and look great but unfortunately I learned the expensive way they are not even the least bit weather resistant. First time walking through wet morning grass, my feet were soaked within the first 2 holes of disc golf. Super bummed because I bought 2 colors😫 Still love them but they’re useless in wet conditions. Really wanted these for damp winter Michigan days. Oh well

[@arne.munther]

How is this compared to the Magna Forest Esc ?

[@AndrewFolts]

The sole is lighter, more flexible, and better on soft ground, while the Magna ESC is heavier and more protective for extreme rocky terrain.

[@kaushlaks]

Great review! I just got these (size 11) and I'm finding that my left big toe (left foot is about 1cm bigger than my right) is sitting right at the point where the material changes from the soft fabric to the harder material and I found it a bit irritating and restrictive when my toe moves up while walking. Do you think that might get better with more wear or its probably a bit tight?

[@AndrewFolts]

It's hard to say. One thing you can try is gently stuffing a sock into the front of the shoe when you're not using it to stretch out the material a bit. Taking shorter strides can also lessen how much your feet bend and mitigate rubbing to some extent. Better your your body, anyways.

[@kaushlaks]

@@AndrewFolts that's a good idea. As an fyi, another issue I have found is, with the charcoal color, and red insides, the color leaches onto your socks when you sweat. I imagine that might stop after a couple of wears though

[@ErickOberholtzer]

I'm typically an 11.5 but they only have 11s and 12s. I've never had Vivos before. Do they run small or large? I'm planning on adding the merino wool add-ons and such.

[@AndrewFolts]

Hey Erick, I'm generally a 10.5 or 11 and the Vivo 11's fit me fine with space for thick socks, so probably the 12's would work for you. You could also check their print out sizing templates.

[@phoebeash-t4939]

How is the durability now 7 months on? Materials don’t look super high quality/ I just bought a pair but considering sending back.

[@AndrewFolts]

I use the Magna SG mostly for hiking and trail running when it's super muddy, so I haven't put enough miles on them to say, but my Magna FG's are in excellent condition after a year of hard daily wear. I've never had any issues with Vivo's durability-my Trek's are seven years old and still amazing. It's more a matter of whether the Magna Lite is a good fit for your use case.

[@phoebeash-t4939]

Yeah so true- have you found these Magna to be good on steep dry rocky terrain? I do alot of dry terrain hiking but with lots of scrambly small rocks I bought the primus trail 2 aswell and the decon fg2. ( down goes my bank account!) but I’m only going to keep 2 out of the 3 pairs so I’m just deciding between them. I love the decon so I will keep them but just deciding between primus and magna- primus seems more useful to varied terrain/ I live in Australia so not a lot of wet muddy walks where I am but the tread of the Magna seems super handy for slippery steep places but maybe the decon could work for that too when I do winter treks in places like Tasmania.

[@AndrewFolts]

@@phoebeash-t4939 Yea, the Primus FG would be more versatile. It has excellent breathability for hot weather, although I found the Primus Knit FG to be a bit wider and more comfy.

[@childcrone]

I'm interested to know what you do about protecting your breathing in those temps!

[@AndrewFolts]

I breathe slowly and deeply in through my nose, which warms up the air. Sometimes I'll wear a gaiter over my face, which warms up the air further. I talk more about breathing for running in my asthma video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKeQo5isnLaXhqc

[@childcrone]

@@AndrewFolts Thank you!

[@karlwilcox1784]

Hi Andrew. have you posted the update to this yet? I have two pairs of Magna's sitting in boxes on my floor. I normally take a UK 42 but Vivo's sizing suggested the 7 for me so I took both to see which fitted the best. How are these barefoot shoes meant to fit? I have really wide feet, hence why I'm trying Vivo. The 7 is fine if barefoot or thin socks but if I usemy hiking socks then I have to use the larger size. Which one??? The larger size feels a little like Flappy the Clown and the strengthening on the laces seems to bite when I step forwards. Any wisdom on barefoot shoes, socks, no socks or the Magnas would be much appreciated.

[@AndrewFolts]

Hey Karl, here's my full review: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmK4l6WXrd9qsJo As for width, that's a tough one. Vivo's are wide but not extra-wide, so the size might be the solution if you need thick socks. Alternatively, you could wear thinner Injinji merino wool toe socks, which are super warm but don't take up as much room. kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZaZc3Zoq8ufatk They're all I've worn for like seven years.

[@KimIrby]

I’m about ready to buy a pair. How does the sizing run?

[@AndrewFolts]

Nice! They run true to size. I'm a 44 in these and all Vivo's.

[@KimIrby]

Thx 😊

[@weew0e767]

Missed you man! How have you been?

[@AndrewFolts]

Just got a giant box of Vivo's, so doing great, ha! Freakin' love the Magna upper, I've never tried one before, but it's so comfy. Like my Primus Lite Knit's but for trails. How's life? Staying warm?

[@zacharyhockenberry8761]

This is great! Looking for something to wear in Spartan run

[@AndrewFolts]

Yea, I could see the SG's being great for that. Probably what the literal Spartan's would have worn if Vivobarefoot was around in 300 BCE.

[@angelinascroppo1201]

What is the widest trail runner have u seen out there. That r bare foot

[@AndrewFolts]

The Softstar Primal RunAmoc kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y5aWm2WVj9NrgtE for serious trails, the Be Lenka Trailwalker kzbin.info/www/bejne/jJqaZ4NqlLShfKs for light trails, and any Vibram toe shoes. The V-Alpha's are fantastic for trail running kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4muqJqNoNCHkM0, just not in cold/wet weather. You can also use the shoe finder tool at my website to filter for width, activity, etc. www.barefootwear.org/barefoot-shoe-finder/?sortId=e%2560g%253E_dsc&filterIds=LpqE%2Cog%255CG%2CGe%253CS%2C%253BQnw&filterValueIds=%60Lmt%2Cdc63018a-c05c-41be-891d-3b8a704f16b1%2Cd02a9254-e1af-43cb-9f8a-c8c56bba2212%2C63500a12-3bf4-4141-93ce-bd87d4d22e8a

[@caroles5258]

I'm wondering if they are as low in the toes as the Tracker Textile?

[@AndrewFolts]

They're fairly low, yea, but the material is so soft and flexible that it doesn't create any pressure, like the Textile does. The Magna's feel like a slipper that's barely even there.

[@caroles5258]

@@AndrewFolts Thank you

[@Richard_FitPku]

Good for normal hiking? With the odd rock etc?

[@AndrewFolts]

Yea, they're great for dirt and mud with some occasional rocks.

[@ibpiano5520]

Hi! In terms of sizing, would you say it runs true?

[@AndrewFolts]

Yea, I'm always a 44 in Vivo's.

[@whatthe6532]

Yes but the price is insane.

[@AndrewFolts]

Currently, you can use FOLTSY20 for 20% off Vivo, which def helps. You can also buy refurbished at revivo.com. Or you can check out budget friendly brands, like Xero kzbin.info/www/bejne/l3ecXpd_nJecpdE or Freet kzbin.info/www/bejne/inOtlp-fjZytf80.

[@kobietawdrodze]

Hello Andrew! Nice shoes. Where can I buy version for woman ? My Vivo forest I bought in men version in one size biger. But now I would like to number 39EU. Where they are ? 🫠 Thanks for your sharing ! Good Day!

[@AndrewFolts]

Hey there, looks like Vivo is out of stock for the women's version right now, but they do have some refurbished ones at Revivo.com. www.revivo.com/womens/magna-lite-wr-sg-womens?colour=Charcoal