Magni's Unhinged MMORPG Rant

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[@King369I]

This man needs to build a parkour course in Minecraft and just jump around when he rants. If you watch the video, he goes from jumping around his farm to jumping around his house… then he returns to jumping around his farm

[@robertjohnpecayo8642]

This reminds me of drama/exposé youtubers of the old times Leafy and other peeps just doing csgo parkour shit and talking about random stuff and ranting XD. It was toxic but hella engaging lmao

[@redline841]

You mean just fo a Surf Map stream?

[@DragonHybryd]

Aka he needs to make a jump quest maplestory style

[@keving4618]

That's what maplestory does to a man. Nothing but jump questing

[@ianitefollower9952]

Yea I think most people jump around when ranting

[@KeterHirameki]

Every Korean MMO: > Very fun start > Grindy, but still fun endgame > Updates gradually introduce more and more p2w stuff > Bots and gold sellers popping everywhere > Level cap increases every 3 months, all your best equipment becomes trash > Population plummets, servers merge, the economy is ruined > "Man, I miss good'ol Ragnarok Online"

[@Yasviele]

Blade and Soul

[@amspook]

I played RO: Eternal Love, it's the mobile version Let me tell you There's one update that introduce a new equipment Basically it give basic damage increase The problem is that, it's too damn good to the point that it completely outclasses old equipment All those years, refining and upgrade your gears? Yep, this new basic damage increase equipment with 0 refine level completely destroy all your hardwork Quite a few players leave after that

[@Eiensakura]

Fuck Korean MMOs really. Never gonna touch one after Granado Espada.

[@haridziran114]

That's every single one of them, lol

[@blusliver6302]

Dragon Nest too. Had great raids and PvP mechanics, or maybe because I had friends to play with those 🤣

[@Ashvoreth]

>Intensely passionate rant >Knowledge only a player could have >Jumping around the geometry while looking through ranting/talking on voice chat >Angry about enjoying a game so much that it failing physically hurt >Knowledge of optimizing gameplay for maximum reward for time Yep. Magni has played a whole lot of MMOs.

[@mirrormagic6584]

it's too real

[@tibik.8407]

If Asmongold was a Vtuber, basically.

[@vdinh143]

"I don't have time for this; I have to grind my dailies." This man spits facts.

[@EpicNerdsWithCameras]

Don't let the rant distract you from the fact that Magni just covered a hole with dirt instead of filling it in. That's how you get Zombie infestations, folks.

[@probablyfacetious2895]

Doesn't the torch inside prevent that?

[@light819]

You mean ambient noise generators

[@reynochavier6297]

@@probablyfacetious2895 He broke it

[@WalkerSunriseChannel]

"All it takes is one bad update, and your heart is broken, and all those years of hard work are just down the drain." Goddamn that's a mood, been there real good

[@itspinkay6875]

Yup. RuneScape 3 for a lot of people. Insert any Wow expansion for some, BFA/Shadowlands for a lot of people

[@saitoXamaterasu]

Pso2 ngs in a nuthsell they killed pso2 with that update sad

[@JohnAtDawn]

He is absolutely right about FFXIV. I’m not a role player, but the game does such a good job of making you feel like your character. It’s the only create a character that I’ve ever come up with backstory for.

[@pole8740]

i’ve never been attached to a character i made as much as my ffxiv viera, i would die for her

[@Boyzby]

Now that I think about it, me too. Well, I first came up with a background for my main because I didn't know the naming convention for Miqo'te beforehand, but my newest character I made had one from the start.

[@QTEila]

True, even though most of the cuommunity outside of roleplay is well, unhinged witch hunting psychopaths, pretty much quit the game due to being relentlessly stalked, harassed and GMs did nothing even with proof.

[@ziongamer6905]

@@QTEila This sounds like a major extreme. I’ve seen people like this but I wouldn’t claim it’s a majority of community.

[@inplane9970]

@@spritsfal5088 Yeah, the fact that everyone isn't locked into a singular job for the rest of their story really sells the experience. You would still need to grind to level up for other jobs, but you're still "you." Not another character you had to make in order to get a different experience. The only other game that I felt almost did it right was TERA with its complex classes and combat, but the Korean MMO mentality still plagued it with gender-locking and tying one class to each character.

[@heartbeato_]

where's that goddamn starburst comment

[@littlemingchan1412]

same i was looking for that comment xD

[@eggo3230]

This is the third "Magni's Unhinged Rant" I've seen so far today, truly a certified Magni Moment

[@the_stolen_show]

Honestly I love listening to his rants because he’s so passionate about what he talks about

[@leonardodakimchi748]

As someone that got back into Maplestory recently, yeah I have to agree its ruining my life. Im not even having fun 70% of the time because of Nexon's shitty updates and your equipment being destroyed when upgrading it but the worst part is that I cant stop. Its like being punched in the balls repeatedly and willingly crawling back the next day for that 30% fun.

[@Imanifestchaos]

You might want to try cbt bro. It doesn't sound as bad as it feels

[@MrHalloween1998]

Imo just play a private server. the progress more fun anyways

[@CasualOgre]

@@MrHalloween1998 progress is ridiculously fast compared to how it was. I remember it took like a month to hit level 30. Nowadays you can probably hit it in a couple hours

[@TeraAFK]

I recently revisited MS for covid, It's a much more forgiving game now, with events giving plenty of upgrade options. Destroying an item doesnt even actually destroy it anymore, you just revive it using the base item.

[@TheTickyTickyTicky]

@@TeraAFK 12 stars is a far cry from 22 in terms of price, so yeah, destroyed items are still pretty much destroyed.

[@sonibrahmana5814]

He's pretty gentle on PSO2. If he played it for that long all the way until NGS, I'm sure he got an entire season of "what the hell Sega".

[@RenoKyrie]

Yeah, NGS fault was entirely SEGA not Microsoft Theres places thats shown that SEGA clearly has AWFUL management with the game, doesnt help NGS is also being directed by Daiki Hamazaki AKA the man who killed the series because of PSO2 EP5

[@mickbotcast]

They mention "Ultimate Updated" in 2023 so it finally their redemption arc for NGS. SEGA always pull some stupid decision but always fixed themselves eventually just a tad little late.

[@sonibrahmana5814]

@@RenoKyrie I didn't even know Microsoft got blamed by the people. I did play since the base PSO2, and since then I always feel the same about the game; "I want to love the game, but Sega wouldn't let me". And do you mean episode 4? Earth arc got plenty of hate and I heard it was because of HMZK directed it.

[@sonibrahmana5814]

@@mickbotcast "Fixed" is a relative and subjective thing when it comes to PSO2 and NGS. The "fixes" tend to be just a pretty drape or some covers to hide their stupid decisions, but peek a little deeper and you'd still see what's behind it.

[@RenoKyrie]

@@sonibrahmana5814 Nah dude, Hamazaki was EP5 EP4 was only universally hated by the west, Japanese people thought it was fine but rushed due to a VA bailing out for Dragonball Super and Hitsugi VA sent to Hospital EP5 on the other hand.... Buster Quest is equally useless as NGS "Quest" Story is questionable as hell with retcons on what Xion is And Hero ruined the series, and it lingered until NGS

[@IbeShoujo]

Pov: You're looking for the Starburst comment

[@scottfrane3257]

MapleStory 2's biggest problem was that it became a mobile gacha style game that had constant daily / weekly quests that could be reset with money and items that could only be obtained using money. This worked well in Korea, though many of the players reverted back to MapleStory 1 because they were already too invested. Here in America that just didn't work. The company tried to make the game free-to-play here, only to realize that it wouldn't work without changing the core parts of the game, which would result in two entirely different games mechanically. When I played MapleStory 2 Korea during Beta Testing, the game was so much more fun. You grinded for everything you had, upgraded your gear, joined parties for more EXP, did Party Quest for items, fought world bosses for crystals to upgrade your skills, fought raid bosses for end game gear, and hanged out with people just like in MapleStory 1. Then a big update came in Korea (the same one the Global version launched with) that removed the need of crystals to upgrade your skills, removed the EXP buff from parties, added a story quest that skipped you past tons of content / levels / quests / party quests, added a quick travel to make you not explore the maps, and made a bunch of content locked behind daily / weekly grinds that you could reset with money / multiple characters. Here in America, we couldn't reset our tries, so they gave us free rewards to try and keep us happy, but this made people's characters too strong without any effort. This left us with only aiming for end game gear / end game bosses, which just felt like a grind fest of logging onto multiple max level characters, doing the events and the bosses in hope to get enough material to upgrade our gear in order to fight the bosses. In the end, Nexon of America just gave up. They kept losing players, the game never got fixed, and the higher ups realized that it was a losing battle. Really sucks too, cause I absolutely loved the fighting mechanics, the skills, and the visual look of it all.

[@saoliath5000]

nexon of america i think was always going to be put into a strange position cause american and korean players just like different things it seems. I loved their card game, mabinogi duel, but they seemingly didnt seem to know what they wanted to do with it

[@M0D776]

I only played it once and it was fun, sometime later I saw it in my library and thought "Hey, I can try it again" only to find out it had been shutdown

[@DallySkyeAnims]

I missed Ms2 not for its gameplay, but for its user generated content that we could make onto clothes weapons, posters and furnishings. We need more UGC in our lives.

[@WanderTheNomad]

Why did I have to read a comment on a clip of a vtuber to find out what actually happened to ms2? I tried looking it up and I think I just kept getting the answer of "lack of money" or something

[@TheHeavyModd]

I remember being so hyped for MS2, and dismayed at the game not having a global release. And when the game finally came out globally (too late if you ask me -- my excitement for the game had considerably diminished by then), I was disappointed with what the game actually was. What really killed my enthusiasm quickly was the story quest that railroaded me through the world. Of coutse, I could have simply not followed that quest line, but I felt like the game was signaling to me that it was the appropriate way to ecperience the game, so I obliged. There was very little in the way of community, or of any communication between players whatsoever as a matter of fact. Very frequently, maybe every 30 minutes the game would prompt me to teleport into a shallow minigame with other players, but that got old quickly as it simply was no susbsitute for proper social engagement. The quest line itself was also boring. It was rife with cutscenes depicting people I didn't care about interacting with each other or with my character. I wasn't immersed in the story, and I wasn't engaged with the game. It felt like a poor single player experience, and because the quest line impelled me to ignore the world of Maplestory 2 the experience ended up being very linear. I didn't get to really explore the world. After maybe 5-6 hours of playing I deicded I had seen enough. The original maplestory's virtues were alwats the community and the world to me at least (and of course the music). Maplestory 2 in its global release state flopped hard on both accounts. It's frustrating to me because there was potential for so much more. The community was given so many cool things like instruments to play with, and player housing, and being able to custonize clothing and whatnot. And the gameplay was a big step in the right direction, changing from a pure numbers game into a more skill-based game. I remember watching manh videos of MS2 when it released in Korea, and feeling giddy about the prospect of reliving my childhood MMO experience for the first time again. Alas, it wasn't meant to be.

[@acudaican]

I don't watch Hololive or... men, but this man is real and I feel this.

[@Fanimati0n]

Dez is consistently based

[@Slepepe]

I can't find the starburst comment

[@senny-]

Same :(

[@imjustalittlemag7743]

So you literally came here just to find that comment that spite magni .... Same✨

[@clericneokun]

I eventually learned that the healthiest way to play an mmo is to stop stressing over dailys and also to stop trying to min-max everything. Fortunately, ffxiv doesn't punish me for not playing it like it's my 2nd job.

[@yamiRic]

listening to him mentioning TERA actually hurts. I love that game then suddenly the community just died when the game forced you to form a party more just to advance the story.

[@edwardelric4975]

They started cutting content too. Just off the top I think there was an entire profession like potion crafting, guild sky castles, the entire open world pvp faction areas, guild titles, all completely removed for zero reason. Every single new class was girl gender locked, at the very end they started giving them to the guys but it was too little too late. The game didn't die of old age, it strait up killed itself. Horrible outcome when you consider that the combat still to this day not only holds up, but I would say is still one of if not the best from any mmo. I'm talking about the NA Tera, that shut down a few years ago.

[@inplane9970]

@@edwardelric4975 Yeah it made no sense that guys couldn't be Gunners nor Brawlers. Like there's no way the Aman, with their bodybuilder-like physiques, couldn't blast people with a giant laser cannon or punch people to death. If anything, how does a Gunner Elin make any sense.

[@SageRuffin]

@@inplane9970 Elin made more money, or so the trends tell me. Elin had the most outfits and _to this day_ Elin is the only race that has access to every class. TERA still exists on console, but some of the systems really haven't aged well, so you're not missing much.

[@inplane9970]

@@SageRuffin Yea, not even mentioning the multitude of Elin swimsuits and risque cash shop outfits that probably grossed a lot of profits. Still, being that extreme with favouritism does not bode well for a game's longevity. The most successful MMORPGs are ones with variety and freedom of choice with character creation. TERA definitely could've been handled better and it sucks to see the potential it had.

[@inplane9970]

@@lopolka5373 Honestly I loved the contrast with the Elin and Popori. The lore implies that they're Mother Nature's avatars and are basically there to protect the environment. Although the gameplay really didnt do a good job at portraying that with how much they screwed up the racial diversity. All of the races represented a value in lore. Baraka represented knowledge, Aman represented physical strength, Elves and Castanics represented technological advancement, and Humans represented social unity. Too bad the devs forgot TERA had an actual story to it.

[@Boyzby]

The thing about XIV is that the devs care about the game, so if there was ever that one update that somehow just screwed everything up, they would actually rectify it. They did it for Heavensward when the raiding scene almost died because of Gordias. Hell, they did it for PVP this expansion by radically changing it and people actually play it now. Some devs do stuff on their own time, like adding flying to ARR zones or fitting at least some stuff to Viera and Hrothgar. If 1.0 didn't kill the game, and XI is still going, XIV's not going anywhere any time soon. They're even doing a graphical overhaul for the next expansion, so it should look much nicer. I feel like maybe he'd enjoy Eureka and trying to get all the monster drops from there-I still don't have my Cassie earring or whatever the Speed Belt is now...

[@BOverlord]

One of the neatest little things that the devs for XIV did was for the Monster Hunter trial. Years after the trial was released there were players who noticed that when you broke the Rathalos body parts they wouldn't actually break off like in MonHun. So the devs went in and changed it for players. This was sometime in late ShB patches while the Rathalos fight came out in SB. They didn't have to do it and it was barely important, but players asked and the devs delivered.

[@Crow-wv6if]

What happened with gordias raid? I’ve only just got started with raiding with pandemonium

[@BOverlord]

@@Crow-wv6if DPS checks were insane. Almost impossible for some groups even with the proper item level. People were actually transferring worlds to find groups to beat it since this was before world travel was a thing. Also ironically during that time they introduced the original Diadem which is one piece of content that actually no longer exists in the game. In it you could easily get an i210 weapon, which had randomized stats. The problem with this was that Gordias Savage also dropped i210 weapons. So lots of people just dropped Gordias for those. Plus the upgraded tomestone weapon at the time was also i210 lol.

[@platedplatypus9932]

8:52 "I spent so much money on Nexon to make my character look like all cute and stuff." Same man, same.

[@OrigionalLaz]

Why does he sound like he's constantly hiding a Starburst in his cheek?

[@ainred9844]

Found it lmao

[@klainrey6182]

@@ainred9844 looks like someone thinks similarly to me lmao

[@llamatar]

Juggling, even

[@noe4354]

Finally found it lmfao

[@senny-]

You hurt Magni's feelings :(

[@mokeymale8350]

He broke my heart when he mentioned Tera again. The days of En Masse and how much fun I had in that game are treasures. Then they sold the game and my account was deleted in the transfer with nothing I could do to recover it. It was hard to be a fan of that game

[@Maverick2736]

If I could tear out Tera's combat system along with all the badass attack animations from all the classes, and surgically graft it to some other better MMO, I could rescue the *_one_* thing about Tera I truly loved and miss more dearly than even the characters I lost in that godawful transfer.

[@mokeymale8350]

@@Maverick2736 I was just so happy that an MMORPG had a good summoning class. I have yet to find as good a summoner class as that Mystic

[@inplane9970]

The account transfer really killed the game for me. Did they even give a one month notice? I still have screenshots of my old Aman defending in Corsairs' Stronghold, and seeing he's gone forever really reeks of corporate greed and mismanagement.

[@Zefryn]

First time listening to Magni, and damn, immediate sub from listening to this, legit such a mood. You can tell this guy loved and played ALOT of MMOs too... Also as another person who also played and also bought the collector's edition of Tera, and loved it since beta (I even bought a new pc for it), I can feel the pain from his words...

[@Axxendal]

I was a Mabinogi fan. No classes! Do whatever you want!! Fantasy Life! Little did I know "no classes" actually meant "grind everything" (and pay for the ability to reset and grind more!)

[@bunnyhugger410]

I used to love that game as a kid.

[@EihaMudo]

only problem in that game now is the absurd drop rates on mats needed to make gear. An update already passed made training skills like 100x easier now, grandmaster requirements cut in half (10 medals) and Dan tests can be done twice a day now. Also you can easily get to lv 20k doing gen 1-19 now. If only they can fix that stupid low drop rates on every single dungeon...

[@Kalanin399]

@@EihaMudo As a mabi fan this line hit my like a ton of bricks: "All it takes is one bad update, and your heart is broken, and all those years of hard work are just down the drain." Mabi is currently that for me because the latest update while it made everything easier it feels like it invalidated all the time i've played mabi since open beta. Yeah I quit for years on end in the later half of mabi's lifespan but it doesn't change the fact that being 10k when you left several years ago and coming back to find that you can pass that easily in less than a day hurts my soul.

[@EihaMudo]

@@Kalanin399 I agree but it shouldve been like this from the start. It was getting harder and harder to find players to run endgame content with less pugs before this update. Some skills were insanely excessive to max though, like ninja compared to warrior/archer/mage, and magic craft/engineering compared to blacksmith/tailor. Meanwhile a popular mmo like Final Fantasy has a better balance of what can be a chore and what shouldn't be.

[@Kalanin399]

@@EihaMudo Oh no I agree for sure. Old Mabi is a design nightmare that when I started back in middle school I didn't understand just how bad it actually was. It didn't help that there weren't really that many games that weren't like this in some way. Runescape's leveling in later levels was just as obnoxious, and LOTRO had some insanely annoying grind achievements you had to get for specific stats. It's purely a pain point of knowing how much time I wasted on Mabi grinding all those skills to rank 1, putting in all that time leveling, only for it to now be surpassed in a few hours. I know it's needed, but it's just one of those "back in my day" kind of complaints lol. As for FF14, part of the reason I keep playing it is purely because of that balance, and the fact that the daily roulettes are, effectively completely optional. I get on 3 times a week to raid with friends and dont touch the dailies at all unless I need to give them mats for potions. The rest of the time i'm just doing stuff I want to do.

[@NoireDust]

I feel like as any MMORPG player we all have a nostalgic Stockholm syndrome for our own games. HOURS SUNK in only for it to fade away to the past, but hey it was fun…I think.

[@aeowinh]

Yeah, I feel nostalgia make people forgget or overlook things, or even change how big problems were back then. A big example is WoW classic how people believe it was the best thing ever and after a few weeks of play it started to be just like retail but with more inconveniences.

[@DemiDeus314]

On the note of his chicken quest. FF14 is more of a rpgmmo then MMORPG. They make sure there is a story and a lot of it is connected. Like seeing that one team break up cuz the leader died. Then them coming back for an entire nightmarish dungeon 100 hours later

[@inplane9970]

Best part is how you don't *have* to take part in most stories. Many people figure out these little lore tidbits through pure coincidence, and it makes the experience feel genuine rather than shoving information down players' throats.

[@phsquared1000]

As someone who played a bunch of MMOs back in the day like WoW, Perfect World, Adventure Quest, Vindictus, TERA, Fiesta Online, Dragon's Dogma Online, DND Online and etc. it's been hard to find a modern MMO with the same feeling I had as a kid. I ended up really liking FFXIV but that was mostly because I could play like a single player RPG with some occasional MMO stuff. I do say though Guild Wars 2 is pretty goddamn great though. New World was mid as all hell though and Lost Ark had way too much upkeep.

[@zeriel9148]

The genre evolved into a direction that is completely antithetical to how it started. It's like if FPSes just turned into RPGs. Well, actually, I guess that has happened to a lot of genres. Comparing FPSes from 20 years ago to now, the intrusion of "RPG elements" (i.e skinner boxes) into all genres, etc. Still, sad.

[@archmagosdeciuskronen1501]

Have you considered The Elder Scrolls Online? The monetization is predatory af but the gameplay and story is fun, I have 1,500+ hours and my dad has well over 3,000 now.

[@lavos333]

Every now and then I miss the feeling I got when playing MMOs as a kid. I usually go back to a FFXI, WoTG-era private server and just have a blast for a month or two until it recedes and I go back to playing other stuff.

[@EnergyBurst2]

I remember my older brother getting into Guild Wars 2 back when it came out just as he went off to college, and he wound up failing all his classes and coming home, after which he basically almost never left his room staying up there playing GW2 on his laptop all day, so I'm convinced that's likely also why he failed out of college, he let GW2 consume him.

[@aeowinh]

The thing is MMOs (depending on how old are you and how young you were) never gonna be like before, because of you and the game industry. You, because you have other things in your life and you don't have the time you once had when younger. The game industry, because they are trying really hard to make you only play that MMO and nothing else or have very long periods of downtime between content, so you either don't have enough time to upkeep or you drop it after months of nothing happening, not to mention the ever growing Pay to Win in them. MMOs in general are really hard to make them good.

[@elitebelt]

I unironically shed a tear when he talked about Tera...he was so spot on. I am in the exact same boat as him when it comes to Tera. I loved Tera to death, and watching it get worse over the years just...progressively killed my soul over time. It's like watching your child grow and progressively get more addicted to worse and worse drugs.

[@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz]

nothing like watching MMO fans continue to lose their faith in humanity lol

[@chaptereight3406]

this man parkoured so much in his base that he ran out of food and still tried to parkour

[@Elzzaw]

Wildstar was one that I was particularly sad to see fail. It had one of the best flowing combat systems I'd ever experienced in an MMO and so many unique aspects. Proper parkour, the most in-depth player/guild housing systems, a way to pay for your subscription just by playing the game enough, a unique art-style and some of the coolest classes and abilities I'd seen in a long time.

[@RavinousStudios]

He needs to stream *while* playing FFXIV. The FF community absolutely LOVE watching new players go through the story and get hit by the plot twists and big moments.

[@inplane9970]

Biggest thing I appreciate about FF14 is the lack of FOMO. You can come back once a month and pick off from where you left. Obviously there are some new things to grind for, but the game's enjoyment doesn't decrease just because you missed an event or gear update. So many MMORPGs and genres akin to it are designed to encourage players to frequent it on a daily, artificially increasing its traffic with little indication of the game's overall enjoyment. People who don't play on a daily are left in the dust when future content rolls around.

[@Reydriel]

This is the precise reason why FF14 will probably continue to thrive. Most gamers nowadays are adults, and adult do not have a lot of time and will usually stay away from FOMO-inducing games for fear of wasting it

[@inplane9970]

@@Reydriel That's where mobile gaming comes in. FOMO can be mitigated when people are able to spend 10 minutes in a day to get that satisfaction on their phones.

[@Tdzilla1]

...Except when you come back after a new expansion and have over 50 hours of story to play through just to catch up to current content. I'll take the FOMO over the massive time sink being mandatory any day, base game to Heavensward alone made me quit like 3 times.

[@light819]

me who grinded the whole experience in new world so I can help my friends when they come back to it and they never do

[@gr33dwastaken]

the guy is an OG based mmorpg player, and i absolutely love that.

[@joorak6366]

i resent that statement about PSO2. Microsoft did not ruin it. SEGA ruined it by putting HMZK in charge for NGS. His biggest crowning achievement is unifying the whole playerbase in their hatred for his ineptitude, and we've been begging for him to leave for years. That man took a decade old MMO and killed it overnight

[@dth-2783]

I like how the part when he mentions PSO2 it's the most played part of the video

[@RenoKyrie]

Because people keep getting missinformation about it Its not Microsoft fault, it was allways been SEGA management and Daiki Hamazaki the cralpy director since PSO2 EP5

[@southgate5437]

I both hate and love the time I spent on grinding in mmo. So this clip remind me of pain and pleasure like a masochist.

[@flambelk4489]

What an incredibly based set of opinions and games this man likes, what a winner

[@JesseAnderson]

He's totally right to fear a new mmo. Also heartbreak... FF14 has some really painful cutscenes

[@inplane9970]

*Early ShB intensifies*

[@MrPotato420]

Someone please build him a foccing parkour place so he can parkour while ranting it'll be nice

[@ruikirisame1744]

magni: all it takes is one bad update and your heart is broken. yup, that's me with pso2 alright

[@Sasakibomber]

i feel magni on this one, especially with TERA. I probably grouped up with Magni during "beta" without knowing, i even have the case with the CDs to download the game. If they reboot it, i hope its more to how it was like in the beginning with BAMs being an actual threat instead of them being soloable bigger monsters. at least we got maplestory everyone :)

[@Exotac]

This entire video is just one giant mood for anyone who grew up on MMOs.

[@hayatojin2886]

Thats one of the reasosn i stopped playing FFXIV last year, it took over my life. I want to come back and play the story from start to finish lol EDIT: OMG that gender lock bullcrap, agree so much, Terra was the worst offender.

[@javelinmaster2]

In all fairness, FFXIV is the one MMO that doesn't punish you for leaving. Even Yoshi P said that he wants players to quit from time to time to experience other things. Meanwhile othernmos punish you for missing out. Wow? Leave for to long and more raids become obsolete. Korean mmos? You miss one day? Say goodbye to your bonus then!

[@thomasdeguzman1149]

@@javelinmaster2 yeah I'm nearly finished with ARR and am planning to take a break from it since the game got me hooked to the point where I stopped doing other things.

[@overlordshiina]

What you mean tera was the worst offender, out of that game 13 classes only 4 was gender/race locked and all 4 of them where new classes. BnS and Black desert are far worst when it comes to gender/race locked classes.

[@zovinchen3281]

@@javelinmaster2 I mean, if players are too fixated on FF14, they'll also have hard time to play other games, especially SE games, moreso now that FF16 is coming out (which Yoshi-P also has big involvement in)

[@javelinmaster2]

@@thomasdeguzman1149 well good, heavensward is next and ho boy that story is a dam good ride. You need some time to prepare for that xd

[@NauyaWasTaken]

Magni ranting about MMOs is bring all of us MMO players out from the wood work. I'm literally running around in circles jumping all over in a game lobby while watching this video and talking to a friend about it. I feel like we had the same childhood.

[@Lemonidas_of_Sourta]

Oh man, I feel his pain. I started MMOs in the early stages of Ragnarok Online. Then moved on to Rose Online, Runes of Magic and then 7 fricking years in Maplestory. I'd hate-quit the game and then come back to it in a month or so when other games like Phantasy Star, Warframe, KoToR didn't quite grab me

[@Zurenza]

Having been playing another MMO from Nexon(Mabinogi) for almost 15 year's now. I really, really, really hope that one day they just update the game and bring it into the modern era. For those that don't know Mabinogi is the other MMO by Nexon that's been around since about 2006 or so, think that was the beta release. But, I mean, this game was WAY ahead of it's time and truthfully kind of still is. No level cap, character's can learn any skill they want, magic, archery, cooking, want to whip people, go for it, you name it, it's got it and you don't have to make a new character and start from level 1 to learn ANYTHING, just use the same one and learn every skill in the game, get to level 20000(no that's not a cap btw, it can go WAY beyond) and enjoy yourself, the world is truthfully your oyster in this game. The story is fun, compelling and interesting, something I can't say about other MMO's, NPC's have personalities, voice lines and whole lives, questlines that you can go on. To top it all off, this game isn't a pay to win MMO, everything is available to you as a Free Player you can either buy cosmetics from other player's or grind out and get the best weapons yourself from field bosses. Like, if a game like this released now, i'm 100% sure MMO player's would have a field day. But unfortunately, mabinogi's graphics are good, sometimes, but awful other times and the engine it's built with doesn't play well with modern hardware so you can experience crashes, graphical glitches and such. Legit, all they would have to do is update the texture's, models and lighting engine to be more in line with modern MMO's(I'd personally use a Cell-Shaded approach) and it would be a great game.

[@mitch-zf5cz]

Haha Dez's rant about Asmon is totally unexpected but very true

[@Nshadowtail]

I have no clue how he would expect to get Maplestory perms and actually manage to play it on stream. For those who don't know, it's almost entirely open-world and you're sharing monsters with other players. It would be *trivially* easy for one or two trolls to ruin it. Bosses are instanced, but he'd never get to the point where he could actually kill them.

[@imaforceanature7297]

This is most MMO’s to be fair, if you’ve ever watch asmongold play anything on stream you’re having to play with a lot of shutters from chat following you around.

[@Nshadowtail]

@@imaforceanature7297 Yeah, but usually a given person can only occupy a small portion of the resources in an area-- in something like FF14 or Runescape, for instance, it would take a coordinated effort to totally shut down the streamer's ability to play. In Maplestory, you kill monsters so fast that until recently there was a premium item that served only to increase the spawn rate-- it was one of the most popular things in the store, because even being the only person on the map you're still often looking at 30-40% downtime waiting for respawns. For someone with as big an audience as a Holopro talent, it would be nearly impossible to get anything done.

[@strenlingchannel943]

I mean, themed dungeons like Gold Beach have instanced monsters, so he wouldn't have to be fighting once he hit 30 or so.

[@Nshadowtail]

@@strenlingchannel943 Sure, but that doesn't help post-200, so he'd just get stuck in VJ. He could do... what, maybe up to Pink Bean?

[@EphemeralPseudonym]

yeah when is MapleStory getting a streamer mode

[@RASHIDOOOOO]

3:51 SAY IT AGAIN for all the people in the back Magni

[@Slepepe]

dammit he's running around in a circle again LOL a certified classic. you love to see it

[@omega40k]

I feel this rant in my soul. Warframe and Crossout are 2 games I absolutely loved (and still do to a point). But, between the daily mission grind making the games feel like a chore and both games having numerous other issues. I just can't bring myself to get back into them.

[@puddi8817]

Yea, Warframe took a nosedive with the open world stuff. Huge empty and lifeless fields that look very beautiful but feel like someone just randomly shat stuff on the field. And then there is the grind... Oh god the grind. Daily gates, resource gates, reputation gates, grind like never before.

[@omega40k]

@@puddi8817 Yea, Warframe's grind is what stops it from being one of my favorite games of all time.

[@Bloddrake]

Yeah i have 2k hours logged on Warframe, i still log on to grind the latest frame but when that's done i just log out again. it has become boring tbh

[@acedias12]

For a game that brags about its F2P model, Warframe sure loves to bombard microtransactions all over the place. Even for have the pay just to have some basic colour palettes available. Folks keep hyping the story, but so many grindy stuff just keep getting in the way of enjoying it.

[@TOBY-jy7bz]

Not me playing nonstop all the weekend to get 3 sets of the new prime frame that just came out just so I can feel like I just got out of a 20 hours shift after repeating the same missions 100+ times

[@anti-macro]

Thought I was done with MMOs but FFXIV honestly reeled me back in. I can be sweaty if I want, I can chill out with side content or even just take a break when I want to play something else without falling behind. The story is really great as well. Never thought I'd get invested in the story of an MMO but it happened. Never gave two shits about my characters aside from wanting to look cool, but in FFXIV I actually feel part of the story Community is cool too, very friendly and super active with tons of player-run events. It's a great time

[@gundamgames6092]

@Senshi The only thing that feels like a ball and chain is trying to grind tome gear every patch with expert roulette, but I’m at the point now where I don’t even care about grinding it. I just craft and gather all day lol.

[@TheDapperDragon]

@Senshi 100%. Right now, me and the wife are basically coming in for a month on new patches, and then taking a break. Just because we've burned ourselves out on MMOs, but damn if XIV isn't worth sticking our hands back into the fire.

[@Justin-Thyme]

Magni: whoever came up with gender locked classes need to die Also Magni: Maple Story is my game. You know, the game that INVENTED loot boxes? Yeah, that's my game!

[@DallySkyeAnims]

Maple also has 2 gender locked classes, namely Angelic Buster and Mihile.

[@inplane9970]

To be fair, lootboxes can be and has been done well. E.g. Overwatch. Gender-locking will never and has never made sense aside from pandering to very questionable audiences. E.g. TERA's child-looking race getting 2 exclusive and 2 semi-exclusive top-tier classes. Only instance gender-locking would make sense is if there is a good lore reason behind it. E.g. Mihile in MS being male in lore. Letting them be female would retcon the story.

[@TheDapperDragon]

@@inplane9970 It hurts me that people thing Overwatch is 'lootboxes done well' now. The rose tinted glasses are spot welded on.

[@inplane9970]

@@TheDapperDragon When people say that, it doesn't mean, "It was the best system we could've ever had and no flaws were present." It was good in the way where people can earn cosmetics by just playing the game. People can just buy whatever shiny new event skin with currency they've saved up, or just play for a chance to lootbox it. Of course, this is relative to OW2's new system. Now players can never earn high quality skins for free. The game literally created two separate currencies as a big "Fuck You" to legacy players and their legacy coins. People who bought OW1 for full price don't get *anything.* And let's not talk about how the old Legendary skins, ones that could've been purchased for free in OW1, are now locked to "premium currency" in OW2. It's no surprise people miss lootboxes.

[@TheDapperDragon]

@@inplane9970 I'm aware. Overwatch was the worst possible use of Lootboxes, tying the entirety of progression to a shitty slot pull skinner box. To say nothing of holiday boxes.

[@Nitrotetrazole]

bro these rants are amazing, i crave more lmao

[@anonymousxaela761]

>Do you really want to watch me sit here and do my dailies? >*is currently throwing dirt blocks over a hole for content*

[@RavensEagle]

Thanks for the clip, really good rant on stream worth the highlight of it

[@PsychoDiesel48]

That Maplestory music in the background

[@Platapart]

I think everyone felt the emotions, both Magni's and our own

[@WeebT]

the guy who explained maple story to him was a time traveler that saved his future career because he was gonna join an esports org and it was gonna crash and burn

[@JakeMatthews-OnLo]

I’m still playing FGO because I love that community, the characters, story, cringe, Mashu cockblocking and all. Although I dropped Minecraft because it wasn’t just an addiction it was a life style of repetitive house management with little progress in game and In real life, those were my darkest days.

[@WanderTheNomad]

Minecraft?

[@JakeMatthews-OnLo]

@@WanderTheNomad Yes I’ve wasted years just rebuilding or restructuring the same house with rare occasional new builds. Yes Minecraft is a dangerous addiction for me. It does thing to my creative perfectionist obsessed mind.

[@iStoicVA]

i believe him when he says maplestory is his main game; the amount of random jumping hes doing in his dwelling is a core maplestory player who has nothing to do

[@grynivygirl]

I actually REALLY loved MS2, the only reason I stopped playing was because I felt like I grinded too much, but it was a huge reason why I started playing MMOs :)

[@PJ92586]

Dude that's felt, I said the same thing about MapleStory like what were they thinking when they made MapleStory 2. The game was already amazing why didn't they capitalize on what worked.

[@pokemondude45]

FF is def a timesink. But once you're caught up with latest content and done with what you feel like doing, its just playing the waiting game for the next update. And on a side note for Hololive ff14, congrats to FBK for finishing 5.3.

[@javelinmaster2]

Yes it is indeed a time sink with the main questline alone. The good thing however is that FF doesn't force you to stay online. Heck it even rewards you for staying away.

[@DawnAfternoon]

Oh, just so you know, FBK actually already finished the entire game, she's just replaying through the game on an alt character.

[@pokemondude45]

Ahh so that's why she reacted to the EW launch trailer before starting this playthrough. Makes sense. Kewlio~

[@wormcan1838]

he truly understands the suffering that is maplestory... he's just like me FR FR 😭

[@WCW5243]

Oh my God, that update thing you were talking about, it was like you were speaking directly to me since I quit FFXIV this patch.

[@Lugia21]

When he mentioned Tera I felt that. I remember grinding the game for gold so I could buy those extention tickets since I never really paid for the subscription aside from the first purchase.

[@ghost_dog97]

lol him jumping around his room made me feel anxious af

[@RykenInverse]

As an ARKS who started PSO2 when Episode 6 hit 3 and a half years ago, it was a great game, but NGS just didn't live up to it. I do kinda wish that a HoloPro would stream a playthrough of regular PSO2 if it got people playing it again, but even FBK didn't really put that much time into it overall.

[@arterplaysmelodica]

really glad they didnt shut down the base game servers, pso2 is a classic ngs on the other hand, idk. I'm just waiting for something big to happen lol. I still like the game, but there's just not enough fun things to do in it.

[@Yinlock470]

@@arterplaysmelodica nothing sums up NGS better than "they finally added a dash button and then made everything bigger so you don't actually get anywhere faster" though ngs' main issue is that the classes just aren't as fun to play. braver in particular got butchered

[@RykenInverse]

@@arterplaysmelodica Personally I just can't find a combat pace that's at all fun. I can't use the Talis to heal/buff far off allies or concentrate enemies into one space with Zondiiru, NGS's Assault Rifle and Jet Boots have none of the skills that made them fun to play in PSO2, and there's no AIS Vega. Add on that basically everything is luck-based to the point where every viable weapon has a ridiculous 50-100% damage output, and... well, let's just say that if I didn't love my Teammates I would either only go back to regular PSO2 or just have completely uninstalled by now.

[@TheMoonman4]

@@RykenInverse if you're referring to the damage variance on weapons, honestly that hasn't bothered me too much. Back in classic PSO2, it was relatively fool-proof to get setups with 100% crit, but that felt like it made instances where if your crit *wasn't* at 100% (like if you relied on a buff and it timed out on you), your damage tanked hard. It just felt like a requirement to build into, invalidating damage variance as a mechanic at all, to say nothing that DEX was practically a worthless stat. The game was (initially) setup to have tons of unique builds to play with, and your ideas with talis sound fun, but the balance was never there since there was a lot of unfun prep work that felt required to do (100% crit, affixing, feeding the Mag, etc.) before any build/playstyle could stand on its own, and it likely wouldn't be "viable" anyway because of all that compared to a regular meta build/loadout

[@RykenInverse]

@@TheMoonman4 If it was just the damage variance on weapons being stupid and awful, that'd be one thing, but more than it being just a bad mechanic in and of itself, the issue here is more that it's indicative of two larger overall problems with NGS. The first is the obsession with luck-based mechanics coming from a dev team that seems to have come more from the Sammy side than the Sega side, as seen in the lack of a KinQue schedule, the awful weather mechanic that made NGS's nickname "Amagoi (Praying for Rain) Online 2", and their utter refusal to fix the PSE Burst mechanic (even the flashy bar on the side makes you think it's a goddamn pachinko machine rather than a video game.) The second, and somehow even more damning problem than the first, is that it's indicative of the dev team's attitude towards the playerbase. When 75%-100% was the norm, players by and large gravitated towards Kagen Hosei OPs to try and get the weapons as close to 100% as possible, and rather than recognizing that the variance mechanic was a bad idea that no one wanted and fixing it, 7 star and up weapons dropped to 50%, and due to the way that calculations work with percentages in NGS, all those builds that had achieved 100% were suddenly dropped down to 65%, which is especially awful with how resource-intensive making gear is in both PSO2 and NGS. In other words, because the devs decided the players were playing the game wrong (not actually breaking any rules, mind you,) everyone got shat on. I'm not an MMO player by any means, PSO2 was my first (and honestly probably for my whole life going to be my only) MMO, but I would imagine that by nature of the beast a good MMO requires a dev team that works WITH the players to make an enjoyable experience even more than a normal video game does, but the NGS devs seem to be coming in from the casino mindset of "players are things that are meant to be goaded with flashy lights and the dopamine hype of the JACKPOT WIN that happens once in a blue moon and must lose the rest of the time." It's god-awful, and I'm at the point where even if they admitted that NGS was a mistake and finally went back to make Episode 7 like they should have in the first place, I wouldn't trust them to make anything as good as PSO2 ever again.

[@PUNCHEDPUNCHEDPUNCHED]

I really hope all the NGS newbies would check out base more, it not only it has so much to offer but a lot of its design just FEEDS that mmo goop brain from the way the maps work, the story development, the classes, side content, etc. When I finished the story and lvl100 all classes I still had a shit ton to do and didn't realize how much time I was still sinking into that game

[@Darkriders100]

I try finish playing base one when there are campaign for weapon camo for clearing main story. I manage to finish all episode until stuck the last episode. I have trouble progress as my level is too low, I don't have enough dex for equip good weapon, don't have key to go into exp dungeon, grinding took too much time(since I play it for campaign), no one join urgent quest at my level, don't have anyone to help me grind with. In the end I feel it wasn't worth my time. NGS it more friendly so it make me prefer it more.

[@RenoKyrie]

Really, more people should yell towards SEGA management not Microsoft because those guys did nothing SEGA clearly showed rushing work, understaffing, and somehow has Daiki Hamazaki the man who ruined the series since PSO2 EP5

[@PUNCHEDPUNCHEDPUNCHED]

@@Darkriders100 Guides are your friend all the way, there are so much mechanics like multiple stacked exp boosts, exp tickets, and min-maxing your mag

[@shutup1037]

@@Darkriders100 not worth it anymore. Sega make it as floating ship that isnt going anywhere

[@ryantice1186]

I can respect these takes. In my early 30s now and the only MMO I’m subbed to now is 14 which for the most part, if you only want to bis out like two combat jobs, does respect your time. Hell I haven’t even logged in for a couple weeks since static is looking for a new tank so been enjoying other things

[@powervidsful]

Take a drink every time he says "like."

[@ChompDude]

I still get nostalgia pangs for Maplestory but I know if I went back to it today I'd be disappointed and probably stop playing after a week. Though I don't miss the grind of leveling or the jump quests. I never could quite make it to Paladin.

[@F34RDSoldier805]

The thing with FF14, is that even if there is one bad update, then it's still whatever, because you can just take a break or you still have all the previous content from the years and years that stacked up before to play instead. But even then, i think they really did a good job of releasing so many different types of content, that even if there is a bad part of an update, there is still a ton of other stuff they release per update, so there is always something to like.

[@hunterzx77]

i understand magni so much lmao, i used to play aura kingdom, then fgo, warframe and genshin and i lost so many hours doing daily missions, leveling up and a lot of things that games like that demands you

[@victorpresti]

Tera, to this day, still has the best combat in any MMO. No MMO has ever come close to how good Tera is in PvE. The amount of control, all the tiny optimizations you can do to play better, the fluidity, you're always improving, you're always getting better even as you top the class rank. It's legendary.

[@justinthomas8921]

The hopping around is *such* a tell 😎, someone who's played a lot of MMOs will do it in any game while filling time.

[@EnergyBurst2]

First MMO was OG Runescape, then Adventure Quest + Worlds, then funnily enough PSO1.

[@jowp417]

I guess we won't be having anymore of this huh

[@AuditoreLink]

No Magni stream its complete without a jumping to nowhere rant moment

[@Almsavi]

Final phantasy star 2: waifu dress up wars

[@OuterRem]

I remember racing back home every at the start of each weekend to get in on the Tera Online betas. What a heartbreak. And he mentioned Puzzle and Dragon... my god. I half expected him to mention Dungeon Fighter Online while he was at it. I assume he must have brought up Ragnarok Online as well. What an insane era that was, bouncing from Korean MMO to Korean MMO. I honestly preferred collision based combat though, where you could physically dodge hits, which had me playing Vindictus for a while, despite it being dead.

[@FrostyPhoenyx]

YESSS MONSTER CARNIVAL WAS THE GOAT that and ludi pq were my jam 😭😭

[@ElEscolta]

Oof, the monster carnival bit, that cuts deep, i fucking love doing that shit back in the day with my bowman... man if Dez plays Maple im gpnna get motivated to play as well, so many good memories from that game...

[@dargossss]

I could hear this man talking about MMORPGs for hours!

[@DlSappeared]

EVERY minmax player "I will go back to watch the story dialogue, one day"

[@wakawakachoochoo7047]

This is so relatable. I love MMORPGs, but I had to quit the genre to take control of my life.

[@ooasessinoo]

Maple was great when you had to level up at aquarium gaining like 10% pero hour and selling glove att scrolls

[@dylanisonfireOG]

4:45 Yes, you can have them muted. I would do all those Twitch drop things and have them all muted and to the lowest quality in the background and still get all the rewards.

[@migueldust995]

It hits close to home the love for maplestory and i wished that Nexon didn't mess it up post big bang, I missed playing with my brother, cousin and friends doing crimson woodkeep PQ, Zakum, Pink Bean, those good times were it was for fun, talking, making friends not a chore to do daily/weekly/monthly, now even some years ago when I revisited maplestory to see how it's going i got to crimson woodkeep and saw it so abandoned there's was no life on it, same goes for the Halloween haunted house outside the phantom forest in NLC or the Power rangers base, it's a shame that it ended to quickly for me

[@aronth]

Coming from a Mapler that played Maplestory for 7 Years straight. The feeling when the Big Bang Patch landed and watching people reaching my level without much of an effort makes me feel like my time invested isnt worth anything. Just memories of an age long past.

[@weer2193]

Play a private server before big bang its way better and its actually balanced with slow updates that let you adapt and learn them without 20 updates a week

[@hat-desu]

I wasn't playing anymore just before big bang and never felt that pain firsthand, but it still made me sad to hear. My whole summer spent grinding lv100 bucc suddenly meant almost nothing in hindsight :') Good memories, at least

[@laisy961]

I took a hiatus after Big Bang and decided to return with a new account. While it is frustrating to realize reaching level 70 is much quicker (took my about 6 hours IIRC), I do appreciate that means less time spent grinding. That said, hitting level 100 is still a big grind, and I gave up eventually since I don't have that kind of patience anymore. But I have no idea what happened to party quests, going to channel 1 at peak hours and I still can't find a party. Not sure if this is just a SEA server thing.

[@FizzieWebb]

7:49 Dude.. PSU was my first experience with MMO's, and it has coloured my perception ever since. I love how each planet had it's own feel through the lobbies and missions, and creatures. there were different weapon manufacturers with different stat focuses that meant you could pick a weapon class and manufacturer combo that worked for you. The weapon sandbox was massive, and I'm so glad that the PSU Clementine servers exist so I can still play it 11 years after the official servers went offline. I was so excited for PSO2 when I saw it announced... 10 years ago, and then the waiting happened... after 6 years, I jumped through the hoops, got the tweaker, and player the JP version. Had some fun, but the fact a lot of stuff was still untranslated in the tweaker really hurt my potential in it. the the en version was announced, so I was like "cool, I'l start from scratch and play it that way." and I did, and it was.. mediocre... the world was such a downgrade from PSU, and the combat, while fun and flashy, felt overly punishing to anyone who wasn't min maxing with the armour and weapon souls and tweaking their photon arts and just... ugh... and then NGS came out and it just was like "We noticed that FFXIV is still kicking our ass, so what if we became that? But also took the battlepower system so that even if you're the right level for a quest, if you haven't been grinding your weapons and armour and messing with the abilities for them, you're SOL." I want to love PSO2, since it has the sci-fi aesthetic that I love... but I just can't...

[@RenoKyrie]

Microsoft did nothing to ruin PSO2 Its allways been ruined since PSO2 EP5 because of SEGA Management and Daiki Hamazaki the crappy director

[@FizzieWebb]

@@RenoKyrie I said nothing implicating Microsoft in the downfall of PSO2. If you actually read my comment you will see that.

[@LeonValCh]

"I don't play the game because I like it more than you" Sheesh that's scary

[@Griffingterra]

* *des mentions asmon* * spittake; wow! Small world.

[@KZNer_Drag0n]

Maplestory was my childhood game. I wished it wasn't dead.

[@stanstraykids4610]

oof TERA -- an unclosed wound. Played races I didn't want to play because of the race dependent skill differences. The playstyle was on paralleled, even though my graphics could barely handle it.

[@ShiekTV]

The fact that maple story went away from PQ's made me very sad. What a game in the past though.

[@Randymash]

Hearing him talk about TERA just instantly made me sad again, the second it went Free To Play I went DUMB hard on that game only for them to fuck it so badly that they killed it off. All that time and money down the drain and now of course the servers are shut down (apart from some Private Servers but they are just as dead)

[@dave9486]

Ahhh, PaD, my original gacha game. So glad to hear it all from someone else, instead of the monologue in my head LOL. FF14 is a classic JRPG first, a MMO second. If you aren't invested in the story, it'll lose you way before it goes anywhere. Source: I made it to Stormblood and couldn't be fucked to enjoy the story, so it felt like a pointless slog. I feel like I'm too old for JRPG stories anyways so it wasn't going anywhere, but if it sounds like a fun 500 hours go right ahead.