What Suleiman says here is very important -- he knows Hurrem isn't a saint and has done many awful things throughout her life in the harem, but she never betrayed him. She never pitted her children against anyone. She was unfailingly loyal to him and by extension, his reign. That's what Mahidevran, Hatice, Fatma, and a whole lot of other people never came to grips with. She never lusted for power or riches. All she wanted was HIM.
@Redluna3228 күн бұрын
It's a part of why I've never been able to view Fatma's response as the "own" others try to paint it as either. In the Ottoman Empire, where you had to be suspicious of basically everyone in order to survive, it's incredibly easy to understand why receiving such absolute loyalty from someone would be so precious.
@ΔημΣΚ28 күн бұрын
She was always loyal to him, they weren't. They were after his throne, she wasn't
@jennylaw682028 күн бұрын
You have hit the nail on the head with your comments. The problem was that mahidrevan and the rest never accepted that because of their own ulterior motives of greed and their hunger for power.
@Sonic-e2d28 күн бұрын
May be because she knew if sulaiman was removed, mustafa is the heir to throne and she would be in danger@@ΔημΣΚ
@ashscheesecakes206428 күн бұрын
@@Sonic-e2d Considering his mother was Mahidevran? Of course Hurrem and her children would be in danger. Nevermind that it was explicitly shown that Mahidevran would be completely incapable of running the Haram anyway.
@aysha635828 күн бұрын
All sisters of Suleiman cannot accept another lady who is smarter and intelligent than them.....a lady who outsmarted them even when they had all advantage
@kyriesnider496828 күн бұрын
I despise Gulfem. She wants to be portrayed as an innocent third party, but she is part of almost every plot used against Hurrem. Helping Mahidevran, rousing sultana Hatice, whispering to valide about her previous status as a Russian slave, she also aided Sultana Sha against hurrem’s daughter. Hurrem just needs to get rid of her.
@ashscheesecakes206428 күн бұрын
Right!? I love her but at the same time, she's standing by knowingly watching the dynasty rip itself apart and actively taking part in it sometimes only to sit back and play Matyr as if she didn't have anything to do with half of it?
@einezcrespo210725 күн бұрын
IRL Gulfem was close to Hurrem. The show just needed an instigator when Mahidevran was banished. It's called drama.
@kyriesnider496825 күн бұрын
@@einezcrespo2107 Yeah, I heard they did something like that with Firuze later on. That didn’t actually happen, if I remember.
@zaharahamat768411 күн бұрын
Absolutely right, can't stand her till now I just don't undressed why sultan suleiman keeping her for.
@gelbautista113228 күн бұрын
All sisters of Sultan Sileiman did not really love and respect him. If they did they should had accepted and loved Hurrem as his wife.
@lovelydove877027 күн бұрын
Exactly!! At the end of the Day no one but Hurrem was truly loyal to Sultan Suleiman. She has done terrible things but only to protect herself and her children, it was never about power just survival.
@queenrm8615 күн бұрын
@@lovelydove8770I ve watched the series many times. Indeed, she did terrible things but always as a reaction to the actions of her enemies against her and her children. Always in defence. I don’t remember her plotting anything before they mistreated, abused her and tried to kill her…
@cisio6412328 күн бұрын
I love how Sulieman embraced and used the lesson Hurrem gave to him when he tried to make her his scapegoat for Mustafa's execution against Fatma here. She told him she was not innocent...but because of the pursuit of power the system creates neither is anyone else in the palace...even him. He also gave her the exact reason he favors Hurrem above all others ..she IS absolutely loyal to him as her Sultan and doesn't draw her children into her fight's or palace intrigues. How ridiculous and full of hypocrisy is Fatma that after all of the scheming she has done she villainizes Hurrem for her plots...which are mostly to protect her children and herself.
@mariaclaudiacrespo501628 күн бұрын
That is right - Hurrem did terrible things. I never forgave her for Mustafa.But she drew the line at her children and Suleiman. Mahidevran was a little too happy the first time Suleiman got seriously ill, way back when Suleiman's mother was Valide, so much that the Valide was furious at her. Hurrem, meanwhile, was losing her mind at the thought of losing him. Yeah, his death left her at Mustafa's mercy, but there was real heartbreak in her every time Suleiman had a brush with death.
@micheleford428228 күн бұрын
mustafa was doing things against his father and all she did was make sure he knew it she didnt kill him but how many times did mahidevran try to kill her or her children? i dont blame hurrem the death of mustafa ensured her children wouldnt die at his hands.
@ΧΡΗΣΤΟΣΑΜΑΝΑΤΙΔΗΣ-β7μ28 күн бұрын
Suleiman claims that he values Hurrem's loyalty. A shame he doesn't know the most fundamental thing about loyalty himself
@tyaskurniawan794427 күн бұрын
Gulfem😂😂... Friend, enemy, friend again netral, enemy, friend at the end enemy again (she tried to kill Sulaiman)😅
@almaquiroz597628 күн бұрын
Good ridens Fatma !!! you stayed too long in that castle . Live your life and leave your brother alone.
@ΔημΣΚ28 күн бұрын
Finally peace in palace, valide sultan has won everyone. Long live valide hurrem sultan! Good bye fatma hatun hahaha!!
@PilotIfad28 күн бұрын
It is not appropriate to call dynasty member hatun she is a born sultana like mihrimah sultan and other dynasty princess
@ΔημΣΚ28 күн бұрын
@@PilotIfad she is hatun
@Redluna3228 күн бұрын
@@PilotIfad I mean, by Suleiman's time they'd been granted that right, but Imperial princesses, did, in fact, use the title of Hatun until the reign of Bayezid II. (Just like, in real life, Suleiman was the first to give his mother the right to use the title of Sultan.)
@ΔημΣΚ28 күн бұрын
@@PilotIfad don't listen to redluna, she's fatma hatun
@einezcrespo210725 күн бұрын
Hurrem never held the title Valide. That is normally reserved for the mother of the ruling sultan. Hurrem died before Selim became Sultan. Her title is Haseki which was created for her by Suleiman. Fatma was born princess of the dynasty so she is a sultana like Mirhimah.
@kathymcgirt894428 күн бұрын
This entire system is a dumpster fire. And I’m American - that’s really saying something given what is happening here🔥🔥💥
@GrzymiaDobr14 күн бұрын
Tak było w Europie i w Azji 😢chrześcijanie atakowali islamistów a islamiści chrześcijan głupi świat zawsze chodzi o władze niewolnictwo było wszędzie 😂 pozdrawiam z Polski ❤
@ΧΡΗΣΤΟΣΑΜΑΝΑΤΙΔΗΣ-β7μ28 күн бұрын
Suleiman claims that he values Hurrem's loyalty. A shame he doesn't know the most fundamental thing about loyalty himself
@daisysailo39728 күн бұрын
Gulfem is the most cunning among them all
@Juliamarcinkowska-rk9zw27 күн бұрын
Fake
@Nind-mu8ut24 күн бұрын
I think she older than all of the siblings bcz she could say all this to Suleiman. And then Sha huban , Beyhan. Ig hatice was the youngest.
@ΔημΣΚ28 күн бұрын
Irl it was valide sultan who exiled her and suleiman agreed but ok similar thing here
@cisio6412328 күн бұрын
Yes because finalization of the order ultimately rested on Suleiman's agreement with it regardless of who actually gave the order....thus it became HIS will in the end.
@ΔημΣΚ28 күн бұрын
@@cisio64123 not rly, she did it on her own she gave all the orders
@cisio6412328 күн бұрын
@@ΔημΣΚ But Sulieman or any Sultan had to either make , OK or allow a order for it to stick...the buck stops with him. This was a major point Hurrem made to him when he tried to scapegoat her for Mustafa's death. NOTHING happens unless the Sultan wants it and this would be especially true of exiling someone . The Valide is not the Sultan...even she only has the power the Sultan allows her...just like anyone else. Even the Valide has to answer to the Sultan for ANY choices she makes that he doesn't like . He could and did overturn any order ANYONE gave he didn't want....even his mother...so anything he didn't was ultimately HIS will.
@ΔημΣΚ28 күн бұрын
@@cisio64123 that's not true, a sultan cannot involve in harem and the decisions of the valide sultan
@Janetsalman37526 күн бұрын
Fatima does not care about hurrem other than sultan or his kids
@lisawakelam818922 күн бұрын
Gulfem won in the end. She got the boss all to herself after hurrem died
@konulheziyeva499828 күн бұрын
Fatma sultan Süleyman xanin bacisi olmayib Mahidevran sultanin bacisi olub eyni zamanda Hafsa sultanin bacısı qızı olub
@samillaSeli-tt2xnКүн бұрын
Whatthe f Gulfem😂.
@Janetsalman37526 күн бұрын
Go join your sisters
@nikkojaybaguiwong272425 күн бұрын
Hurrem shouldve massacred fatma , or did the same as she did to her with the boulders