Magnus RESIGNS on Move 2 | Drama Update

[@markhoulsby359]

Mr. Hansen Excellent video, thank you very much. In particular, thank you for bringing to my attention the channel Chess fan MWP. I recall that after Magnus withdrew from the Sinquefield Cup, you pointed out that the Chessbrahs were aware that Hans Niemann is a cheat. As you suspected, there is indeed an old black-and-white photograph depicting the artist and chess master Marcel Duchamp sitting at a chessboard, opposite a barenaked lady. It seems to me that the explanation for Carlsen's behaviour is really quite simple. This certainly does not apply to you, good sir, but those speculating that Carlsen is worried about cheating (or whatever else) may be addressing the wrong issue. Allow me to explain: If I'm correct, it has to do, particularly, with that cruel mistress Caissa, and the... intimate... relationship which Magnus seems to have with her. As background, here's a true story about a cheating incident. In the mid-nineties, in northeast England, I played a league game in which my opponent cheated quite blatantly (not with an engine, merely by retracting a blunder, after having recorded the move and pressed the clock). Notwithstanding his notoriety (and, more especially, his culpability) after a protracted process not only was he exonerated, but *my club* was sanctioned. Here's the thing about that: losing to a cheat spooks you. The following season, I had to play him again. Which was unfortunate, because--psychologically--I had already lost that game, even before I sat down to play it. This, I submit, is what happened to Magnus, on account of his being compelled to play a known--indeed self-confessed--cheat, by the name of Hans Niemann. In effect, psychologically, Magnus had lost to Hans *before sitting down to play him* In other words, the self-confessed cheat Hans Niemann is Magnus Carlsen's _bête noire_ This explains why Magnus Tweeted the clip of Jose Mourinho. Magnus can't tell the truth that he lost because he was spooked. If he did, he'd be in all kinds of trouble. He can do without that. But that's why he lost. And it's why he withdrew from The Sinquefield Cup. It's also why he resigned after playing one move against Hans in the Julius Bär event. Hans has repeatedly violated Carlsen's mistress, Caissa. It's also why those prominent individuals who are berating Magnus for withdrawing should, perhaps, pause and reflect. In the future, perhaps tournament organisers should feel constrained to invite *either* Hans *or* Magnus. But not Enzensberger. And definitely not both Hans and Magnus. The way to avoid prominent withdrawals from elite tournaments--round robins in particular--is to avoid inviting self-confessed cheats to play in said tournaments. The way to avoid premature resignations in online events is to avoid inviting self-confessed cheats to play in said events. The fact that they're 100% certain to get away with cheating (as is demonstrably the case with respect to Hans Niemann) simply encourages would-be cheats to become repeat offenders. Now, with regard to The Sinquefield Cup, from what he has--and more especially hasn't--said, with 20/20 hindsight Magnus realises (it seems to me) that he ought never to have agreed to play in the same tournament as Hans. But Magnus likes Rex and Jeanne Sinquefield, and appreciates their very substantial contribution to chess, globally. For these reasons, probably he felt obligated to play in The Sinquefield Cup. Probably, too, he imagined (just as I did before that second league encounter back in the '90s) that he could ride the demon, vanquish it, and defeat Niemann in one fell swoop. As it turned out, the demon persuaded him that there was No Man to whom he was more likely to lose, and lose horribly. Perhaps we can all agree that the problem is that cheating is so prevalent. IIRC, years ago, a study published by an Ivy League university (Brown, perhaps?) concluded that around 60%(!) of online chess games involve cheating. So what can we do about it? Many people in this channel will have watched Francis Ford Coppola's movie: Apocalypse Now. Whether or not you have, you might be aware that the story in the movie has not one basis, but rather two. The more well-known of these is Joseph Conrad's short novel: "Heart of Darkness" (which, indeed, was the working title of the movie). Its other basis was the true history of a real-life US Army Colonel named Tony Poe. Not a little of what is described in the movie as the ostensible military career of Marlon Brando's character, Colonel Walter E. Kurtz, is lifted directly from the *actual* career of Colonel Poe. About 40% of the way through the movie, the narration of Martin Sheen's character, Captain Benjamin L. Willard (who is, ostensibly, writing a journal) describes an operation lately conducted on the orders of Colonel Kurtz, having been conceived by him: "Late summer/autumn 1968: Kurtz's patrols in the highlands coming under frequent ambush. The camp started falling apart. November: Kurtz orders assassination of three Vietnamese men, and one woman. Two of the men were Colonels in the South Vietnamese Army. Enemy activity in his old sector dropped off to nothing. Guess he must have hit the right four people." Now, as I described from my personal experience, above, it appears that the chess community, as a whole, exhibits a reluctance to deal effectively with cheating, and the cheating cheats who cheat (my profuse apologies to Al Franken). Perhaps one of the most important reasons why the situation is... unsatisfactory... might be that would-be cheats know that they are pretty much certain to get away with it, and that even if they're caught, they'll incur no penalty. So my position is this (FWIW): Whether or not Hans Niemann cheated in The Sinquefield Cup is irrelevant. What *is* relevant is his having admitted to cheating--more than once!--in the past. Anyone who, for any reason, at any age, under any circumstances, is disposed to cheat...is not a chess player (regardless of how talented they may or may not be). Furthermore they're never going to *become* a chess player. Not. Ever. That individual is a violator of Caissa. Nothing more... nothing less. As such, that individual is not welcome in the community of chess players (Gens Una Sumus). Ideally, there should be a clause in every EULA, and in every professional tournament and match contract compelling would-be competitors to agree to the following: If caught cheating then after a first infraction, whether online or over-the-board, the penalty shall be a lifetime ban from all competition, whether over-the-board, via correspondence, or online. (Yes, I know that in correspondence competition artificial assistance is extensively employed.) A further clause could be added, forcing would-be competitors to agree to forfeit 100% of after-tax income, whether from chess, from other vocations, from businesses, from investments, from gifts, from welfare payments, from insurance dividends, or whatever other means of subsistence. Forever (i.e. their estates should be liable, posthumously, too). The same should apply to anyone who refuses to disclose the identity of known cheats. Apart from other considerations, withholding such information could produce a negative effect with regard to the value of your acquisitions.... If we adopt these straightforward measures, then (unlike Colonel Poe's actual result of actual operations) the incidence of cheating may not drop off to nothing, but it should undergo a dramatic reduction. If we do anything less, the incidence of cheating may simply continue to increase. Just my two cents.

[@ViceroyStark]

This is some National Treasure Nicholas Cage shit.

[@byjosh9828]

I just read The Declaration of Independence

[@ricardodelvillar767]

And what two cents.

[@markhoulsby359]

@@byjosh9828 Excellent. Perhaps you might like to read my comment as well. On the other hand, perhaps you have a life.

[@jamescorbishley5696]

@@markhoulsby359 he's a chess player... we don't have lives haha :)

[@Wallace_UBD]

This is unacceptable. Hikaru needs to apologies for stealing the anal bead theory.

[@JaredRietdyk]

Magnus heard the buzzing over the video call.

[@ItsYouAreNotYour]

He didn't steal it, he's been using them...even without playing chess.

[@Rogue_Strummer]

Magnus and Hikaru are secret lovers? Two guys who both let fame get to their head.. Atleast Hikaru still lives on this planet tho

[@captain_crunk]

Hikaru probably doesn't even know what anal beads are. He clearly didn't know what butt plugs were a while back.

[@aphexon.]

He have tons. nw. clap.. 1..2..3.. blink.. 1.2.3... different tie color. tons of ways to cheat live.. even more online.

[@stevedeall425]

Main takeaways: 1. Eric upset about not getting credit for anal bead theory. 2. Eric upset Hans may have more female supporters than him. 3. Someone resigned early in a chess game.

[@uberneanderthal]

Niemann says he only cheated twice. no. he got **caught** cheating twice. You'd have to be completely naive to think those just happened to be the only two times he cheated. another way to put it is he's been cheating since he was at least 12 years-old, and didn't stop after getting caught the first time.

[@88mphDrBrown]

You're the closest I've seen to the truth.

[@TruthAndReconciliation]

The combination of being caught more than once, AND his last infraction was only 3 years ago, is at the very least grounds for high suspicion

[@paul8093]

Exactly 💯 percent Well said To be fair I can't believe anyone would defend him It's as if they support cheaters

[@darrengoree8542]

YEP. Proves My And it's Obvious To me. Because i Delt With And Was Shocked At How Far ' Grandiose Narcissists ' Hans Will Go. They Always Double Down On Cheating And Deciet. Unless You Have Been Targeted By A Narcissist. People Honestly Will Not Understand.

[@88mphDrBrown]

I have inside information about all of this. It all comes down to magnus finding out that Hans is a significantly more prolific cheater and has been cheating more recently than the chess community has been led to believe. Chesscom acquiring PlayMagnus put Magnus in close contact with a Chesscom employee that divulged over a thousand instances of Hans botting and using engine assistance. Magnus can't show proof without outing the employee (it's not Danny) that divulged confidential information, doing so would put the employee in legal and professional jeopardy. A lot of things are going down behind the scenes. A few GMs have been shown the evidence under the compromise that they wouldn't expose the leak. Look at Levon's interviews, he went from supporting Hans and calling his peers "paranoid" to being highly suspicious of Hans' online history. The only public development will be Chesscom exposing the information on Hans or someone in the know being so fed up with Chesscom's handling that they leak all of the relevant information. Magnus will not be the one to show this evidence in order to protect the Chesscom employee, if the employee is ok with information coming out he's going to expose it himself. Chesscom looks so bad in how they've handled Hans' violations of fair play i doubt they'll willingly admit sweeping over a thousand (including recent) violations of fair play under the rug.

[@HussainAli-hn2ef]

Impressive that Magnus saw the 93 move forced checkmate that far in advance. Well played to both players

[@DrXtoph]

😂

[@volodyanarchist]

There was still a possibility for a draw after h3 with the perfect play. But it's much easier to cry and run away.

[@th6n]

@@volodyanarchist No h3 just Qa5+ Kd7 takes takes and this is a lost endgame as the h pawn is stopped

[@volodyanarchist]

@@th6n Ahhh, i have forgotten that you cannot promote to a second king.

[@th6n]

@@volodyanarchist Yeah but black has the brilliant underpromotion of e1=Getting a life and quitting chess, therefore resigning the game

[@ScoochCubing]

Only Eric can take a game with three moves and make a half an hour video on it

[@rickcarson591]

To be fair .... Ben could probably stretch it to 27 minutes with cartoon references from last century.

[@BakriPeluddin]

hIKARU IS THE GOAT, WAIT FOR SOME TIME HE WILL STRETCH IT FOR 1 HR 🤣🤣

[@ryanlind5239]

Sure, only Eric and every other chess KZbinr

[@ScoochCubing]

@@Crashawsome I just searched magnus vs hans and filtered to the past week and couldn’t find any other videos

[@ReasonMakes]

@@Crashawsome It's a joke

[@ChristopherMikrowelle]

From now on after losing in 3 moves I can at least say I lasted longer than Magnus Carlsen.

[@Theoceanvolume]

The infamous 3 move checkmate.

[@Truffle_Pup]

@@Theoceanvolume Lol init. Show me how senpai???

[@olatrials]

@@Truffle_Pup 1. f4 e5 2. g3 exf4 3. gxf4 Qh4#

[@MrMichaellee5353]

Your a stud!

[@eliasmasri9878]

I’m not sure your girlfriend will accept that as an excuse.

[@Al-gv5uw]

As a guy who studied drama at university this is great

[@chrisallen9509]

As a guy who studied anal beads at university this is great

[@rishabhsharma5610]

Rip to the money you gave away to a Uni so you could learn how to professionally pretend 🙏🏽

[@finnrs-c3097]

@@rishabhsharma5610 Movie stars will be laughing at this comment all the way to the bank

[@raydead2670]

@@finnrs-c3097 and all the failed ones are homeless

[@finnrs-c3097]

@@raydead2670 Baristas I think you mean. Im sure if you truly believe what you say then you can easily provide sufficent evidence to back up what you're claiming.

[@DeepFriedLiver]

This has to be #1 on the list of Carlsen’s most memorable games.

[@phen-themoogle7651]

Yeah, it'll be in a book of his best games someday lol

[@Nakano1254]

There's very few gm games that I know every move of but now I know one by heart

[@akorthouwer]

for all the wrong reasons

[@horizon146]

@@Nakano1254 There's also the double bongcloud draw against Hikaru.

[@jimporfit]

Magnus should have played bongcloud and then resigned

[@thetominator917]

Ahhh, yes. Carlsen’s Mortal. An instant classic.

[@takatotakasui8307]

Very pithy

[@sebbyh9764]

I think Eric knows more about this than he's telling us because Aryan Tari is a Brah

[@alxhiding]

hes being diplomatic, this is his livelihood, but we all know Eric is a Brah and knows whats up. i appreciate he's not shilling for public opinion the way many other cowards are.

[@desireoverpain]

@@alxhiding what's weird is that even though he's giving a super unbiased take, just presenting the facts, r/chess still complains incessantly about how Hansen needs to issue an apology to Hans

[@josephvalinski849]

What does Aryan have to do with it?

[@carlostrujillo4107]

@@josephvalinski849 because he is norwegian maybe? No other reason comes to my mind either

[@markhoulsby359]

@@alxhiding Well put, indeed.

[@brandonrose279]

Magnus not ready for the LoveSense

[@111jkjk]

🤣🤣🤣

[@voongnz]

LoveSense gambit declined

[@257799nico]

Bro legendary insinuation

[@pablow9044]

10 token...you're slightly worse 25 tokens... you're slightly better 50 tokens... you have the advantage 100 tokens... you're +3 200 tokens... you're +5 500 tokens...you're +9 Hans! Win the queen 1000 tokens...squirt! I mean, checkmate on the board!

[@jayrain1423]

This was a great summary of chess drama done by Hikaru Hansen

[@ako5614]

Hans played with a 100 accuracy at least

[@MatsMatsuo]

Magnus also played with 100% accuracy, incredible how he lost, such a perfect game that it becomes hard to detect the losing move, but by intense analysys and process of elimination I think Nf6 was the losing move.

[@StevenStJohn-kj9eb]

Very suspicious!

[@Lewis080]

Just shows he’s using an engine

[@horizon146]

@@MatsMatsuo Nah, I think his only mistake was clicking the Resign button. Quite a big blunder ngl.

[@youtubecensoringcomments7427]

Magnus too

[@mglegacy012]

I mean, of course Hans lied about how often he cheated. He’s probably been cheating online frequently up until his 6 month ban. No one cheats once and goes “well that was fun, I’ll try this again in 4 years” lol

[@ProdByCari]

There is a very good video by James Altucher and IM Ken Regan (a computer science expert) who analyzed over 100 of Hans OTB games as well as Hans vs Magnus. He found no evidence that indicated that he cheated OTB, keep in mind this does not exclude possible leaked strategies.

[@ETBrooD]

He didn't lie. He said he cheated in much more than just one game.

[@ETBrooD]

@@ProdByCari Worth mentioning he also found no evidence of Niemann cheating online over the past two years.

[@magenoiryokoo]

Eric, I have to say I'm very fond of your thought process and your humor. You may not have yet females dedicated enough to send you pictures after each of your victories against mister Nakamura, but the love is real from here in France !!!

[@rahulanand8642]

This is similar to renault's singapore F1 2008 where piqiuet crashed his car on purpose to influence the race resulting alonso winning the race. At the time every team including FIA knew they cheated but couldn't prove so nothing happens and only years later when piquet himself admitted then the action was taken. Of all the interviews of top players u can sense they r insuniating the same as magnus is but as this is a legal matter nobody wants to say that directly. When u r playing for so long u kind of know whats up. I mean the guy is world champion for so long and has never reacted this way with anyone who has beaten him in the past. I don't think he is suddenly gone crazy.

[@scotthjackson5651]

If you have a photographic chess memory like Magnus, you will remember this match for 5 billion years.

[@dutchchessbetterthancheese1239]

I already had to resign 2x with black with this same opening today, everyone seems to play this opening now

[@davidstrober2977]

Hahaha “that’s all I’m asking for, is that the credit goes to OUR degenerate community” Happy to be a part of the family 👍

[@baple]

I’m a believer that Hans “cheated at least 2 times” nieman did not cheat at St. Louis, but that doesn’t change the fact that he is a cheater and it changes the dynamic when you play a cheater in a competitive environment. A dummed down example of this in case you’ve never played games competitively, let’s say you are playing poker or magic cards with someone and they are caught cheating, now everytime you play that person you will have to watch them that much more closely to assure a fair game. Even if Hans never cheats again, his cheater title will follow him and forever taint every game he plays in the future.

[@rage8010]

So you just resign? Nah.

[@Filicitizen123]

He was young that time and it was a goof, unrated game also.

[@baple]

@@Filicitizen123 bruh he openly admitted to cheating (see the interview) just 3 years ago, and that’s the times he was caught, he could have and probably had cheated more than just twice.

[@GBJR44]

@@Filicitizen123 BROTHER THAT WAS 3 YEARS AGO, HE IS STILL YOUNG. PPL NEED TO GET THIS SHIT RIGHT.

[@DkKobaADV]

looks like it benefited him against carlsen who got tilted because of it

[@jeskaaable]

The suspense is killing me.

[@mr.wolf1216]

The suspense speaks for itself

[@youtubecensoringcomments7427]

There is no suspense. There are no proof of anything

[@ohkage]

@@youtubecensoringcomments7427 Hence the suspense. If there was proof, there would be no need for suspense, would there? Lol.

[@youtubecensoringcomments7427]

@@ohkage so magnus is cheating too.. he was too good. Hence the suspense. Lol

[@MrOpen2012]

@@youtubecensoringcomments7427 Magnus never cheated before, neither did he admit that he cheated:D I dont think you know how this works buddy.

[@Anonymous-zo2yx]

Hammer: "It's completely unacceptable behaviour to lose one purpose. It is the most unsportsmanlike you can do in a competitive tournament" I can think of one thing more unsportsmanlike...

[@BWOOHAHAHAAA]

And Hammer maybe feels Carlsen resigned on purpose, but he has zero proof.

[@jeskaaable]

If I was Hans, I would ask Magnus directly what his issue is. I dont know if that event happened, but if you're guilty, you'd avoid asking the victim questions to avoid being straightforwardly accused.

[@sebastienvincenthenry2805]

Because he knows what the issue is and probably feels like there's no point in addressing when he already addressed it during his post game interview

[@Kalmaos]

Think why he isn't defending himself

[@PaullHutchh]

Guilty until proven innocent?

[@conelord1984]

@@Kalmaos he already defended himself. There is no point in doing anything else if no evidence is proven. Until anyone can prove otherwise Hans is the victim here

[@minigooshey]

@@Kalmaos He's defended himself plenty. Magnus is the one who hasn't said a single thing

[@KaizenLegacy]

A couple interesting points from today: First, It was fascinating to see Hans get a completely busted position on move 14 (making a 1-move blunder) against Erigaisi. Imagine a guy who put together a crushing game against Magnus 2 weeks ago, but was unable to explain his thought process, only to get crushed by another junior 2 weeks later (in a similar opening) and drag out a lost position for 25+ moves. Second, Hammer missed the point. If Magnus is protesting (which seems to be the case), he is not doing the unsporting thing. That is how you voice the protest as a competitor - you don't compete against him.

[@McNastyMac]

1. d4 Nf6 refuted - James Canty III

[@MrGanzGeheimnisvoll]

now i can memorise a complete game from magnus :D

[@MagnoRochaPlus]

"He didn't resign, he just wanted the chess to speak for itself." hehe

[@christian9387]

The idea that Magnus has strong convictions about Hans's cheating doesn't make sense UNLESS Magnus thinks Hans cheated at Sinquefield. It is well known that Hans cheated years ago, so if Magnus has such strong convictions about it, why did he even play against Hans in the first place there? To me, it looks like Magnus got beat fair and square at Sinquefield and then decided to throw a tantrum about Hans's cheating from years ago. This is not a good look at all for Magnus or chess, and Magnus needs to man up and make a statement about it or move on. It's completely unfair to a young man, Hans, as it could quite literally affect his entire career.

[@yarrichar]

I kind of want to see what happens if they end up in the 4 game match.

[@Dancindazed]

If hans has a chance to resign a game that makes it so he matches up with Magnus at the end of the preliminaries he should definitely do that.

[@desireoverpain]

4 resignations from Magnus

[@leagueplays2100]

Eric being confused with Hikaru was funny

[@facundodiaz6547]

yes there was something suspicious in the sinquefield cup: the Qg3 against Firouzja that he did not know how to justify in any way in the subsequent analysis, he had no idea what he was doing, there was a clear line that gave him an advantage (if black took the knight: Bxh6 g6, Bg5 f6, Bh6) any player of that level (and even lower) could see and justify that line, but he didn't know and got into a lot of trouble analyzing.

[@hanshansen1990]

Yup!

[@kosinarm]

Botez Butt Bead Gambit, Magnus pulled the plug.

[@Tannyr]

This opening is now called Niemann's gambit

[@trw4war322]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@randyzeitman1354]

Please stop applauding what Carlson did. It is deceptive to plan to not play… And pretend that you are going to play. If he has a problem with the tournament allowing a certain player to part to participate then he hast to express his complaint and refuse to play upfront instead of deceptively acting like he is going to play because that is not acting with good integrity.

[@KashiwaDaisuke]

Please make Drama Mondays a staple on this channel

[@ph6560]

*Eric Hansen is the king of commentatory from Calcutta to Calgary!* He is rational, plays with open cards, proves his point and reasoning, wouldn't sell his grandma for 10k subs, knows his limitations and *is actually funny* - as opposed to your average attention-seeking, headline-baiting, thumbnail-baiting, generally annoying and *megalomaniacal Gotham-villain.*

[@provingastrology4471]

Wow best video on the drama. Just the facts and his analysis without a wave of moral condemnation for Magnus or Hans.

[@MrMAiel]

My feeling is that Magnus is super sure about Hans and is trying to protect chess. He's offered draws or refused to start the clock because his opponent was late, he's all about fairplay. I think Fischer also tried to get better conditions and price money for chess players. Magnus is trying to do the same thing about online and OTB cheaters. I don't think he cares about what people think of him and probably thinks all publicity is good publicity, even news about a possible cheater or a possible sour super GM.

[@curtisw502]

No way Hans cheated otb Everyone who analyzed the game agrees If he had proof it would have came out by now

[@rohmann000]

completely agree, especially with first part of your comment

[@XxMVPxDawg]

@@curtisw502 Complete hearsay

[@conelord1984]

Incredible how people still try to justify Magnus bad character. It should not be surprising, though, considering there are people still defending Fischer. You people are sick.

[@rohmann000]

@@curtisw502 try looking at the games Hans played for getting his GM title..

[@sopvp7719]

Magnus took the queens gambit declined very seriously

[@felipegomes6312]

Hans is playing 5d chess with Carlsen. This must have been a subliminal message for him to watch the show so he can figure out how Hans cheated without leaving clues.

[@andreapisani1043]

Everyone has their opinion of course. But I think Eric really gets the point across. My take is that there is a HUGE scandal behind the scenes that involve a lot of people in the chess world. Like most things it ALWAYS has to do with money. Look at the prize money here at this tournament…with that amount of money there will be some serious effort to cheat but it will be sophisticated. This is why I believe Magnus is staying quiet on the events because the rabbit hole goes deep. With cryptic posts and one move resignations Magnus is making a protest slowly and still saying quiet because there must be a HUGE scandal in the background. Nieman , is just a pawn ( no pun intended ) in some huge cheating scandal behind the scenes in my opinion.

[@Levipaulsen]

Spicy Conspiracy Theory tell me more

[@Nippleless_Cage]

Okay Qanon 🤣 Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. It's much more likely Magnus just detests this one cheater. Occam's Razor: the simplest explanation is the most likely explanation

[@purplevincent4454]

@@Nippleless_Cage I agree

[@desireoverpain]

This certainly could be true, but the odds are that Magnus just thinks Hans is a cheat.

[@ETBrooD]

Is this conspiracy theory?

[@goldentime1418]

Lol Magnus is just giving Hans back the point he got taken away in the sinquafield 😂😂😂 .

[@michaelw.emerson]

That sir, is a plausible possibility I did not consider.

[@markhoulsby359]

Hans *got the point* in The SC. So it can't be a matter of Carlsen's giving back anything.

[@goldentime1418]

@@markhoulsby359he didn't, but it's a joke lol,

[@LK25278]

@@markhoulsby359 He did get it after he won, but after Magnus resigned from the whole tournament the point was discarded

[@akumezzy1092]

Eric is the best drama goblin there is. He eats this up haha.

[@TruthAndReconciliation]

There are at least two other KZbinrs/Streamers that farm chess drama more than actual chess that I can think of lol

[@LK25278]

@@TruthAndReconciliation gotham and who else?

[@nkskrb7195]

@@LK25278 Hikaru

[@skriabinfly]

Reminds of Hou Yifan protest game 5 moves and resigns, starting 1.g4 2.f3. Women's world champion

[@thesheq5023]

The kicker is hans talking in the post game interviews and has absolutely no idea what actually was going on in game

[@paul8093]

To be fair I don't blame people for not trusting him he's been confirmed a online cheater

[@markhoulsby359]

Exactly.

[@pappadarappa]

I get not being comfortable participating in an online competition with Hans. But if this destroys his career because of some mistakes when he was a teenager, that would be tragic

[@angelbedolla347]

@@pappadarappa that’s life. Can’t erase your past and using the line of “but I was young” doesn’t always work.

[@JoaoGoncalves-np6su]

@@pappadarappa and also, those "mistakes when he was young" were the only times he got caught.. You're really going to tell me he only cheated twice in his life 4 years apart from each event and said 'ok, im done cheating'?

[@pappadarappa]

@@JoaoGoncalves-np6su as of yet I've got no reason to suspect he has cheated anywhere else than what he admitted to. If it comes out that he's cheated since then yeah fine

[@orlock20]

Magnus wouldn't be the first world champion to suffer from paranoia and then go insane.

[@holymoly8718]

the bigger the advantage, the stronger the vibration

[@robinesperoza]

Feel sorry for Hans in lost positions, that must kill the vibe.

[@peterj4079]

Magnus feeling the heat.... he believes Hans is a joke and cant stand the fact that he kicked his arse

[@ianhruday9584]

This is the stupidest form of protest I've ever seen. Why would you protest by putting your opponent closer to the prize money?

[@lupushominarius7615]

Magnus is going fully Bobby Fischer!

[@tonynshaw77]

Eric, would love your thoughts on Levon's interview from today. I thought his comments about hearing more from the 'chat with the online server people' were very interesting

[@xanbex8324]

I love your commentary Eric very thoughtful....thank you!

[@carrtmannnn]

Great insight as usual from Eric. Staying silent is probably the best option. *Edit: this comment makes less sense now that they added the sound in

[@thetominator917]

Just went back and watched the Hans Niemann Round 3 Interview. Titled “Niemann: Magnus Must Be Very Embarrassed to Lose To Me” on the Saint Louis Chess Club Channel! I can’t believe the Saint Louis Chess Club channel would actually post that title! How unprofessional! Aside from the fact that the first two minutes of that interview feel extra sus after more recent events. We can actually make a few interesting observations. Whether Niemann cheated or not, Niemann bragged like a pretentious twat after his victory over Carlsen and boy oh boy did he enjoy himself and the limelight while he was doing it. By denying play with Niemann, Magnus has taken away the satisfaction of the braggard. Cheat or not, Niemann will never be able to speak like that about a game he has against Magnus ever again. Perhaps without an incentive like bragging about triumphs over the world champion, Niemann will get bored, or he will have to find a new way to satisfy himself. His shit attitude speaks for itself, not his sus chess.

[@rolandtermaat2008]

No sound?

[@mariohofheinz9457]

Is it at all significant that the first three moves in this game were the first three moves in their matchup in the Sinquefield, with the sides switched? Hans seems to use the queen pawn opening a lot, but his usual response to Nf6 is Nc3, not c4.

[@maicolc7216]

I'm sure Magnus had decided this beforehand

[@dg1431]

I mean this is a pretty common opening.

[@ditchcomfort]

I’m absolutely respecting Magnus. Cheers from fellow Norwegian 🇳🇴

[@AysarAburrub]

nothing about this is worthy of respect

[@bowhunter8532]

He is being a fucking baby. Show up and play. If anything it is giving Hans an advantage. Magnus = Bobby

[@rickcarson591]

The irony of him giving Hans a free point is it increases the odds that he has to play him (a lot more) in the playoffs.

[@PhilL30tard0]

And guess what if that happens he gonna resign on move two again it’s not about the money it’s about sending a message.

[@ascensionblade]

@@PhilL30tard0 The message will be that Hans has beaten the world champion 100% cleanly two matches in a row, or perhaps that Magnus is afraid of losing a played game to him. Really, the message is that Magnus is a coward for going about whatever his "message" is this way.

[@jsingh98]

@@ascensionblade if Hans somehow reaches the top of the top, he will never go down in history as the greatest because of his fishy past. That is the message. Being lost in the passage of time.

[@jsingh98]

@@ascensionblade no one will give a singular fuck about his record against the current champion who withdrew after 2 turns because of cheating accusations

[@ascensionblade]

@@jsingh98 I agree that it's not impressive to beat a coward.

[@Shapafade]

no sound on this video or just me?

[@apimpnamedslickback5936]

Nah me too

[@SellusionStar]

I got some..

[@henryfclarkakahankmcnamee7249]

No audio

[@n1ira]

I have audio

[@shatranj]

Chrome,windows, audio is perfect

[@dandanik8685]

I'm glad I watched this upcoming streamer Ericaru Hansamura since 1998.

[@chester_m]

2:45 You expected a resignation from Magnus when playing Hans. Any predictions in case the are paired in the knock-outs?

[@thijsbeentjes4008]

Forfeiture of the match, without any playing at all cuz he's knocked out after a loss anyway.

[@markhoulsby359]

He'll resign again.

[@mkronos02]

Sound works now

[@qqw743]

Thought of another option: Magnus could have used Stockfish, gotten caught, and then said that he regretted it but it was an hour ago and he just wishes people could move on, as he has.

[@abolfazlnazemi529]

I can’t believe that Magnus is doing this out of some small suspicion. He must know something that we don’t know.

[@scottekoontz]

Magnus may be upset at having lost twice to Hans in the past. He probably knows only that he lost, like the rest of us.

[@felipegomes6312]

Either way, what he doing is spineless. If he knows something he should speak up 'cause if you stay silent you are being compliant. If he knows nothing then he is being a sore loser and a wishful thinker like Hikaru who blantantly accuses others of cheating when he loses. Either way it's bad for his reputation.

[@seandiamond7983]

This is targeted bullying.

[@seandiamond7983]

@@kjjunior7918 he didn't accuse anyone or say anything because he could get sued. Why is accusing someone such a big deal? Ruining someone's life by ostracizing them, outcasting them, etc. I hope Hans doesn't get depressed or kill himself, God forbid. This is bullying. Either accuse him openly and stop these rumours or you're a bully.

[@franciscol7145]

Magnus is a huge reason why all the chess players are actually playing for something. He's like Tiger Woods in that he has raised the popularity of the game like no other. This tour wouldn't exist, the prize winnings the players get wouldn't exist, the KZbin personalities wouldn't exist, the tremendous global audience wouldn't exist. For people who say that the game would be better without him, maybe they should think twice. He's the gift horse, the goose that laid the golden egg, and King Midas with the golden touch all rolled into one.

[@paulpena5040]

This is the chess equivalent of the Will Smith slapping episode.

[@samcatsam]

It made Hans think that they were going to play. Magnus even made a move. By then Hans had to be like, Phew, but then Magnus puts a bullet in him. It's good writing, lol.

[@noahjohnson7615]

Not really, you have to play one move before you can resign.

[@samcatsam]

@@noahjohnson7615 Forfeited, then.

[@sorinsandu451]

as I said also in a previous comment, you manage to summarize the situation in the best way possible. I appreciate that you avoid positioning in the absence of OTB cheating evidences. But I really want to express my opinion, judging after seeing a lot of content related to this in the last weeks. This guy is very dangerous for the world of chess. It is really sad that at this level it is happening this drama. And once that the cheating virus touched you in online, it is hard to believe that he didn't at least tried to cheat also on OTB chess. Beside that, his overall aspect and behavior is far away from decent. More like a psycho sometimes... Personal opinion, please don't judge me very harsh.

[@robinesperoza]

I understand your position, I tend to support Hans. I feel he is innocent until proven guilty. Yes he did admit to having cheated online, perhaps extensively so. Yet this is three years later and Magnus failed to provide any proof. Also let's face it. Magnus played a horrible game. I have seen few games of Magnus in this time control where he played so badly. For example Hanses ...Be6 is not a brainer, it is a counterattack. I personally feel the chances are higher that Magnus is a sore loser, then that Hans cheat. Personally, I think he didn't cheat in OTB chess. But even if there would a 90 % chance Hans cheated in OTB chess, I would still not want to prosecute him, since I would have 10% in doing serious harm with these accusations.

[@deceased4504]

@@robinesperoza I don't get why people are asking for said proof? How do you find that proof when people who commit crimes hide their tracks? Especially in this scenario... Are you expecting people investigating to find a part of the anal bead that is probably already flushed? Not saying he is guilty of cheating, but people don't realize how hard it is to find proof until someone who cheats actually fucks up

[@robinesperoza]

@@deceased4504 I know it is hard, but what is your alternative, not asking for proof? Magnus can just accuse a player of cheating and we have to believe his word for it? Cheating is difficult to detect, but that doesn't mean someone who is suspected actually cheated.

[@VDRP]

Cause Carlsen is butt hurt over his loss in the Singuefeld cup, poor little chess player.

[@mazzadude]

Someone could very well miss out on the playoffs because this free win is the difference between them or Hans getting in. Incredibly selfish and childish behaviour from Magnus. He should just not play these tournaments at all, not do stuff like this.

[@TheNameOfJesus]

This scandal will do more to promote chess than COVID did. Let's cheer on Hans Niemanal!

[@Chillypuwn]

Edit: ONE THING - The "Russian" KZbinr you mention is actually Ukrainian - bit of an important difference in these days. Eric I love that you are always so balanced in your videos and while most of the world is shitting in Magnus, you try to at least provide his point of view in a good way. You seem like a good dude my guy :)

[@SooperJudas]

Magnus doubled down here, he definitely thinks he knows something about Hans that hasn't already come out.

[@coolname5696]

D4, D5 seems like the best opening to me now

[@knight2163]

Magnus is showing his true colors... Selfish, arrogant, and entitled.

[@snuggleseal]

Magnus is highlighting to the world that these tournaments are allowing cheaters to play.

[@a_lucientes]

Without showing any evidence of it.

[@chessgold8768]

magnus wants to destroy hans chess career just fr his post-game interview.. this is not fair without any evidence fr suspicion..

[@ColeckZz]

Can I request you use a dark theme for web pages in KZbin videos?

[@jamesjk1234]

I appreciate the input from a chill bro

[@RealHogweed]

Queen’s gambit DENIED

[@manumitul]

This is the best take on the entire saga I've seen till now.

[@desireoverpain]

"losing on purpose is the most unsportsmanlike thing you can do in a sport" It's worse than cheating to win?

[@paul8093]

Definitely not worse then cheating I actually can't blame him for not trusting Hans

[@ceoherohub2584]

It’s a form of cheating happens all the time.

[@reaganochieng]

Hans did not cheat in Sinquefield Cup. Magnus played poorly and recklessly and Hans punished him devastatingly. He didn't give him any chance. I normally play on a certain website and every time I beat an opponent rated over 500 points above me, the first thing they do is to check computer analysis. They play bad chess thinking you will make mistakes and when you beat them, they think you have cheated. I know many people will confirm what I have said.

[@Hitmancash52]

Sound?

[@chungboislim2061]

You can't protest something without saying what you are protesting lmao. Imagine people rioting in the streets and none of them have any demands. That's not a protest, that's just bad behavior.

[@albertladach4241]

No sound

[@lrmcatspaw1]

"you dont ahve to do anything with the chess pieces" Eric, great minds can see possible downsides before the fact. I salute you.

[@sylver76]

Magnus' actions make sense: if Hans is cheating, playing him will have the exact same result as resigning after one move, except that it transfert Magnus' reputation to Hans. If Magnus just resigns, there is no such benefit and it doubles down on the suspicions. People have a tendency to think that a cheater would win everything (because he can), but a smart cheater would "balance his range": lose a few games, win some key games to get his name out there, make occasional blunders, some inaccuracies... basically make his progress look as organic as possible. Cheating well is impossible for a bad player because you can't always cheat, and there is too much of a gap between the times you can cheat and the times you can't, so it becomes obvious. However, for a good player who is almost at the top level but not quite, how do you prove someone cheated? At the end of the day, there is no move on the board that a computer can play but that a human can't play (even if for completely different/wrong reasons), and you can't really say "these moves are too good for him" because what is he is just that good? Anyway, for me, the case is open and shut: 1. Hans cheated 2. Hans lied about his cheating in his "sincere confession" interview. => Can't be trusted.

[@PkBTH]

I mean there is no benefit but is bad for any organizers. At least how one acts is that players oblige to a competitive integrity, and now Magnus might be seen as no different from Han in the competitive integrity. Magnus is well-known so he might not receive large backlash, but it is not preferable for organizers anyways even if the situation is clarified afterward.

[@sylver76]

@@PkBTH Controversy is rarely bad for organizers, regardless of whether they like it or not. The controversy in the Sinquefield cup resulted in massive publicity in mainstream media, and caused the event to become known to millions of people who had no idea the event even existed. This controversy doesn't involve anal beads, but it's more likely to raise the event's profile than it is to hurt the event in any way.

[@PkBTH]

@@sylver76 I truly appreciate that we have more viewer for at least this event but what I refer to are rather large-stage competitions, where I believe this action will be more carefully considered. For reference, Hans cheating also create more viewer for the event but the chess organization have taken serious concerned, even if at that point it is still speculation. Also, I believe it have transferred some of Magnus reputation to hans already, larger than if he cancel the match beforehand. I still not persuaded that the decision make sense, canceling a match is still more respectful than throwing it for me.

[@KF1]

Be a man, Magnus. If you have something to say, fn say it.

[@Trizzer89]

Maybe he's just setting up to play Hans for millions in a grudge match

[@phen-themoogle7651]

Ah, a true hustler xD Setting an elaborate trap 🪤 Clever to notice :)

[@sub-harmonik]

the accusation would have so much less weight if the person making it weren't the greatest chess player of all time

[@stevedeall425]

Magnus didnt forefit the OTB game - he lost

[@XxMVPxDawg]

via forfeit

[@ezOqekuRitusohI]

Can't wait for Magnus' next post-game interview!

[@jayfrancelf]

He’s not doing any interviews for this tournament

[@ezOqekuRitusohI]

@@jayfrancelf :(

[@michaelscott5653]

Excellent analysis as always Eric, nothing but facts and objectivity!

[@Bergarita]

Hans living rent free in Magnus head.

[@doofcon]

magnus must have some pretty good evidence if he's willing to risk his career

[@PhilL30tard0]

He is not risking his career he achieved everything he could his reputation might suffer tho

[@nestorv7627]

@@PhilL30tard0 that's what risking your career means

[@AysarAburrub]

but if he has such good evidence then why not just come out and show it instead of all this drama.

[@PhilL30tard0]

@@nestorv7627 However this situation plays out Magnus still has his multiple world championship titles, still is highest rated player in history, still holds the longest unbeaten streak in history etc you may lose all of your respect towards him because of the way he handles this situation but he will still have these feats aka his career.

[@felipegomes6312]

Or maybe he is risking his career 'cause he is bored of chess. This did not start with Hans. It started against Nepo when he refused to play him for the world title.

[@lukefreeman5932]

Everyone's relating it to cheating. Is it possible that his pride was really hurt when Hans said "He should be embarrassed to lose to someone like me" and he considered it so unsportsmanlike that he doesn't want to play him again?

[@bigheadrhino]

That statement is pretty self deprecating though. He’s putting himself down.

[@YellowwFellow]

It is funny if Magnus wants to go about pushing this narrative that there is suspicion over Hans games, instead of running away he should have played that game he resigned so whoever would have won, could be more analyzed and could make the case for Hans isn't playing fair. Stay in the game to show everyone how Hans plays against him again. Whether it would add to the argument or not, it could bring more to the table... just conceding doesn't accomplish much and makes him look more like a brat.

[@paul8093]

Not a fair match when Magnus don't trust Hans If you don't trust a person the game play is affected

[@ceoherohub2584]

it would be worse because he can’t predict if he’ll win or not. so he has to give up.

[@MrGanzGeheimnisvoll]

@23:24 even the biggest german daily newspaper (which is realy bad at investigation like the "sun") got it right and named eric hansen as the first to brought up the vibrator theorie online.