The Biggest Scandal in Chess History: The Full Story

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@GothamChess
@GothamChess 2 жыл бұрын
The craziest chess story is actually you avoiding a chessboxing match against me
@pazecs
@pazecs 2 жыл бұрын
haha lol
@Tejoz
@Tejoz 2 жыл бұрын
😂
@robertfisher9588
@robertfisher9588 2 жыл бұрын
Alas, bad backs speak for themselves too.
@loganharrie8220
@loganharrie8220 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@daanreehoorn3403
@daanreehoorn3403 2 жыл бұрын
Hahahahaha fr
@King6d9
@King6d9 2 жыл бұрын
Bobby Fischer’s peak rating is 2895 - he never got a 100% accurate game. Garry Kasparov’s peak rating is 2856 - he never got a 100% accurate game. Hans Niemann’s peak rating is 2688 - and he has had 10 games with 100% accuracy. One of those games was 42 consecutive perfect moves, and it was not a blowout type of game either. Doing that is pretty much impossible. Hans is 19 years old with 10 perfect games already, Magnus (peak rating 2882) is 31 and has had only 2 perfect games in his whole career. People that don’t think this is at least credible evidence are incredibly naive.
@saiyansfizz
@saiyansfizz 2 жыл бұрын
@Chando No one is talking about comparisons for the court though. This is a social issue. We treat social justice different than court justice. Evidence is treated differently in social situations. I think you know this. For example, Say you have a friend / girlfriend that frequents your house. Whenever they come over, you notice that things are suddenly missing. One day it's a phone charger, another day it's some money you left out on your desk in your room. You confront them about it and ask them, they deny it. They say I did not steal and you have no 'evidence' to believe I did do it. In this world (the world you're laying out in your comment) you have no moral justification in taking action in protecting your belongings from this person. Would you just say 'oh I guess so, you're right I don't have any evidence..' and move on? Would you go and buy cameras and put them all around your house so you can get evidence? Would you continue to allow them to steal your stuff? What happens when cameras can't solve this dilemma? What I would say to someone in such a situation is I don't need HARD evidence to confront you about it, and stop allowing you into my house. The circumstances surrounding my stuff going missing and you coming over happens way too often. Without a shadow of a doubt? This means zero in social situations. We take probability over 'without a shadow of a doubt'. Of course there's a chance the stuff was not stolen by the friend/girlfriend. But that's kind of irrelevant. I hope you're following this example, my point is the circumstances surrounding Hans is way too much of a 'coincidence' (having a cheater be his mentor, the accuracy of the games, PLUS the opinions of the GMs who closely observe the situation) to just be brushed off by someone like you as 'without a shadow of a doubt'. In social issues, we can take action even if its not 100%.
@DavidRodriguez-hh6kx
@DavidRodriguez-hh6kx 2 жыл бұрын
@@saiyansfizz it's not a social issue, it's in the courts now.
@saiyansfizz
@saiyansfizz 2 жыл бұрын
@@DavidRodriguez-hh6kx It is a social issue. The 'court' issue that rose from it is irrelevant to what I was talking about. Just because something ends up in the court doesn't mean its not a social issue. Hans is taking Magnus to court for defamation ... not the other way around. Magnus is not taking Hans to court for cheating. My comment was talking about the validity of the view that Hans is a cheater That would be like the friend taking you to court over saying to other people that they're a thief... ( see my example ) ... it is a social issue still
@saiyansfizz
@saiyansfizz 2 жыл бұрын
@Chando Ok well I'm glad you admitted that you don't care about it. Us in the chess community do, as it's affecting the integrity of the game & sport in general. If you have been a part of chess for a long time (as I have) then you would care. So if you don't care, please just take a step back and don't just say things without any backing. If someone were to be cheating in baseball, basketball or any other spectator sport does this matter? Well it does for the people who invest the time and effort to follow these things. Social issue disingenuous? Not really. The original comment that you replied to was talking about 'credible evidence' in the terms of whether or not YOU should consider Hans a cheater. Nothing about 'the courts'. You were the one who brought up the courts (which is irrelevant because we're talking about a social issue) Even if we were talking about the court case, Hans is taking MAGNUS to court for DEFAMATION. not the other way around. I could understand if Magnus was taking Hans to court and then you label it a court issue. But it's not that way.
@sleuth2077
@sleuth2077 2 жыл бұрын
@@chando1603 it's circumstantial evidence and people have most definitely been convicted by juries on circumstantial evidence alone. Where there's smoke there's fire is a popular saying for a reason.
@ToddHughlett
@ToddHughlett 2 жыл бұрын
“No one has got away with (cheating) at a high level”. BUT if they had got away with it, you wouldn’t know, would you….? 🤔
@thecurliest_fry
@thecurliest_fry 2 жыл бұрын
Lol, I scrolled down right after I heard that line.
@rasicule
@rasicule 2 жыл бұрын
@@thecurliest_fry haha same
@johannezz93
@johannezz93 2 жыл бұрын
DUN DUN DUUUN
@vlrginizer927
@vlrginizer927 2 жыл бұрын
I think its a joke but when you win a tournament and confess years later you technically got away with cheating
@RB0087
@RB0087 2 жыл бұрын
(the opponents of) Borislav Ivanov would beg to differ... I guess he didn't completely get away with it since he got a ban for a while, but no one uncovered hard proof of how he did it. Officials just saw an FM suddenly playing 100% perfect games every game. Then he moved on from chess and ran an ID counterfeiting ring before going to prison. What a guy.
@H0LYSM0KES
@H0LYSM0KES 2 жыл бұрын
2:01 dude thinks he's a main character in an anime 🤣
@samuel-nolandavey.3625
@samuel-nolandavey.3625 3 ай бұрын
[* *Mic not-drop* *] 😭
@BlockyFish-wf8qc
@BlockyFish-wf8qc 3 ай бұрын
He is
@newwonderer
@newwonderer 2 ай бұрын
@@BlockyFish-wf8qc he kinda is, but with beads in arrs
@RenixGames
@RenixGames Жыл бұрын
Strange how he says he only cheated twice and then proceeds to say "I've never cheated consistently in prize money tournaments". That would imply that he cheated more than just twice
@tatym7389
@tatym7389 6 ай бұрын
Yep grand masters apparently have access to the states and they saw he cheated hence his ban.
@grandpatzer
@grandpatzer 2 жыл бұрын
Good job Andrea for showcasing this story in such a way that won't get you sued!
@michaelwalmsley7668
@michaelwalmsley7668 2 жыл бұрын
Or at least not for more than a million or two.
@jasonknight9679
@jasonknight9679 2 жыл бұрын
She could say anything she wants about Niemann and she wouldn't get sued. He is going after people and institutions that actually have some money.
@George_Jacob
@George_Jacob 2 жыл бұрын
You use "THEY SAID" or "ITS IS RUMORED" and nobody can sue you.
@yousuck6222
@yousuck6222 2 жыл бұрын
Tthe good thing about being poor is no-one can sue you for anything.
@JonCookeBridge
@JonCookeBridge 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation, AB. Thanks.
@onemorejoe1
@onemorejoe1 2 жыл бұрын
This was so funny. “This was not the only thing Hikaru said”. Had me laughing quite hard, this whole satirical telling haha. Two thumbs up
@toriless
@toriless 2 жыл бұрын
Hikaru is not lacking for words on anything,
@oosmanbeekawoo
@oosmanbeekawoo 2 жыл бұрын
(You have to give _three_ thumbs up!)
@swyxTV
@swyxTV 2 жыл бұрын
*sips tea*
@RabbitConfirmed
@RabbitConfirmed Жыл бұрын
@@toriless he happens to be a streamer that plays chess at this point💀
@obscurity3027
@obscurity3027 2 жыл бұрын
This is a fantastic breakdown of exactly what happened step-by-step. A lot of news outlets don’t quite understand all the nuance of the story like you do because you’re in the chess community, you personally know these guys, and you understand the details. Really well done, Andrea!
@electricpaisy6045
@electricpaisy6045 2 жыл бұрын
I still missed the part about the plug though
@peterjames232
@peterjames232 2 жыл бұрын
Hans played chess with Andrea and tried a date after the game.
@spartanAXA
@spartanAXA 2 жыл бұрын
News outlets don't know about chess as much as Andrea
@jacobmarroquin9522
@jacobmarroquin9522 2 жыл бұрын
What details!! besides a step a step… how is Hans cheating??!?!? Where’s anyone’s evidence?? all she did was telling these people are in twitter war!
@mrkiky
@mrkiky 2 жыл бұрын
Yes she was personally hit on by Hans Nieman, quite awkwardly I might add. Also, I dunno what's been happening to Hans, but he looks like he aged 20 years in the last 2 years. He's younger than Andrea but she looks like she could be his daughter 😂
@Thatdude165-o9g
@Thatdude165-o9g 2 жыл бұрын
Start doing mini expose type pieces like this outside of chess, grow your brand...you tell a story very well, I would tune in for other stories but do it just like this
@adilshekh8879
@adilshekh8879 Жыл бұрын
11:24 "My lawsuit speaks for itself". 😂 what a legend
@onepieceontop133
@onepieceontop133 4 ай бұрын
Cheating legend 😂😂
@garretthorner
@garretthorner 2 жыл бұрын
Andrea sarcastically sipping the tea is comedy gold 😂
@toriless
@toriless 2 жыл бұрын
I imply NOTHING, I was just thirsty.
@quill444
@quill444 2 жыл бұрын
We desperately need a _Chess Tea and Analysis Moment with Andrea Botez_ . . . your weekly bedtime story show -- make it happen! ☕ 🍩 💚 - j q t -
@kevinmalone3210
@kevinmalone3210 Жыл бұрын
Andrea is always comedy gold. Even without her sister. She's such a ham.
@ElEcodelTren
@ElEcodelTren Жыл бұрын
yes
@DoobieFerguson
@DoobieFerguson Жыл бұрын
@@quill444 Did you sign a KZbin comment? wtf
@rickygrenadier6303
@rickygrenadier6303 2 жыл бұрын
This is truly one of the chess stories in the history of chess.
@felixal
@felixal 2 жыл бұрын
thhis is a test DId they block me 1 2 3 test
@fredouz
@fredouz 2 жыл бұрын
@@felixal no
@Zobokolobozo
@Zobokolobozo Жыл бұрын
Idk Hans really is 2 suspicious of a character to be believed tbh. The fact that you speak 1 language ur entire life and then for no reason you turn into a 2 year into speaking english russian accent is way 2 crazy. That alone makes me think he is guilty.
@speederbrad95
@speederbrad95 2 жыл бұрын
Andrea should host a chess news show.
@jaybestnz
@jaybestnz 2 жыл бұрын
Alex and Andrea should.
@gundarsmiks4889
@gundarsmiks4889 2 жыл бұрын
Chess mews! Yes!
@Keatsounet
@Keatsounet 2 жыл бұрын
Not enough news in chess ^^
@johningle1
@johningle1 2 жыл бұрын
In lingerie.
@erohtarrath7549
@erohtarrath7549 2 жыл бұрын
@@johningle1 if you want to wear lingerie you can bro, embrace it
@andrewdinns1746
@andrewdinns1746 Жыл бұрын
4:34 the fake accent cracks me up everytime.
@aca2077
@aca2077 7 ай бұрын
No accent
@footballcrazy8908
@footballcrazy8908 6 ай бұрын
no care about your comment on accent.💩
@cacamas
@cacamas 4 ай бұрын
​@@aca2077everyone has an accent lil bro
@ubberJakerz
@ubberJakerz 2 жыл бұрын
This was incredibly well shot, edited, and delivered. Please give us more content like this! The end was hilarious 🤣
@Fauxkuhila
@Fauxkuhila 2 жыл бұрын
This was great. You should do more breakdowns like this. Current chess drama, historical chess drama...it would be great.
@manakin5
@manakin5 2 жыл бұрын
I just started hearing about this whole thing (I'm not really a chess player, but just someone who likes the game and watches educational videos now and then). I'm so glad to have come across this video, I was only getting bits and pieces of the story here and there beforehand. Thank you, very well done! With some nice comedic touches :)
@Jasper_4444
@Jasper_4444 2 жыл бұрын
Same here.
@SixPathz
@SixPathz 2 жыл бұрын
Hans going out on a date with Andrea speaks for itself.
@LeqsoMaisuradze
@LeqsoMaisuradze 2 жыл бұрын
ahhaha
@pradiptosensarma1672
@pradiptosensarma1672 2 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@john-carlosynostroza
@john-carlosynostroza Жыл бұрын
I'm a full-time professional magician/Illusionist, mind reader. I am also chess player. Cheating in a high-security tournament would be easy for me and my friends at the top of the magic business. Just sayin... the chess groups should hire us to watch over live tournaments. They are definitely missing potential technologies for passing data. In fact, wow there are numerous methods to use technology there are also brick-and-mortar methods combined with technology that are almost invisible to just about everybody other than absolute experts in the magic industry. ( I'm totally serious. So if somebody to reach out to discuss this further would be glad to)
@luisandraschnik3001
@luisandraschnik3001 11 ай бұрын
Yes!! I was an amateur magician year ago . Paranormal claims and cheats vanishing when a competent magician is present. I love the story of James Randy's Alpha Project.
@o1-preview
@o1-preview 9 ай бұрын
make a video doing so, record before you do it, record during the tournament and afterwards give your remarks, learn how to edit videos or get someone to edit them really well for you, then post on many chess boards and watch your video go viral. In no time you'll be getting phone calls to work for the big tournaments..
@uns33n
@uns33n 9 ай бұрын
@@o1-preview I don't think a member of the public would have the access required to find and document the potential methods.
@o1-preview
@o1-preview 9 ай бұрын
@@uns33n wtf does that even mean a member of the public? make enough money to buy a camera and a computer to edit the video, search up chess tournaments, cheat, don't accept the money if its a cash tournament, then edit it and upload it, not that hard
@lancecosmo8039
@lancecosmo8039 2 жыл бұрын
The craziest chess story is him beating you and you ghosting him for the date
@Sam_on_YouTube
@Sam_on_YouTube 2 жыл бұрын
When people say Hans says he hasn't cheated since he was 16, they should provide the context that he's still only 19. It's not like it was ages ago.
@danielyuan9862
@danielyuan9862 2 жыл бұрын
Ages 16, 17, 18, and now 19. It _was_ ages ago :D
@Swamp_Lad
@Swamp_Lad 12 күн бұрын
@@danielyuan9862😂
@teemupulkkinen5382
@teemupulkkinen5382 2 жыл бұрын
Andrea is the chess journalist that we don’t deserve but the one we need. :) The ending of the video was excellent!
@sanchi1337
@sanchi1337 2 жыл бұрын
yeah with informations other youtubers already brought out 2 weeks ago lmao
@Bear8Photo
@Bear8Photo 2 жыл бұрын
@@sanchi1337 ya dam drama frog! 🐸
@sanchi1337
@sanchi1337 2 жыл бұрын
@@Bear8Photo im just beeing honest and realistic
@mariogk90
@mariogk90 2 жыл бұрын
Simp
@ThaiOdessy
@ThaiOdessy 2 жыл бұрын
@@sanchi1337 To those who don't play chess, this was an interesting and entertaining news presentation (plus it made you smile at the end).
@luciabotez3251
@luciabotez3251 2 жыл бұрын
Nicely done Andrea! Informing, funny and good pace!
@douglasnelson4117
@douglasnelson4117 Жыл бұрын
Pace. Keep the FACE
@amcds2867
@amcds2867 2 жыл бұрын
it makes sense he would take this to court seeing that apparently there is no concrete evidence to justify the decision to ban him and he's taking advantage of that, though i suspect foul play. i hope the truth comes out, whatever it is.
@tatym7389
@tatym7389 6 ай бұрын
They have access to the info and he has a cheating history. They had reason to ban him
@loganb452
@loganb452 Жыл бұрын
This was very professionally created and presented, better than most newscasters! I hope we see more of these short 'reporting the important news from chess' in the future!
@mikezaloznyy5613
@mikezaloznyy5613 2 жыл бұрын
I am very impressed by how objective, concise and informative this video is. Great job!!!
@mlinxl9090
@mlinxl9090 Жыл бұрын
@teflontelefon yes that is objective it would seem
@Karadjanov
@Karadjanov 2 жыл бұрын
She's half right. Cheating is difficult to prove. But the security measures are so behind that we don't even know how easy it may be to cheat on most tournaments.
@case6189
@case6189 Жыл бұрын
That and a lot of these tournaments have serious prize money. Imagine being able to guarantee yourself a top 3 spot a few tournaments throughout the year, could be a couple hundred thousand $. Everything about Hans is a red flag he’s definitely cheated OTB and recently. Imo if you take the time to get creative and find a way to do it I don’t even think it’d be that difficult. Way too much technology for me to think it isn’t 100% possible in probably dozens of ways
@Karadjanov
@Karadjanov Жыл бұрын
@@case6189 That is absolutely correct! And what many people have pointed out is that these people (Hans in particular) are already very good at chess they do not need to cheat at every move. All it takes is 1 moment of outside help at the right time and he can win a game against a better player. The security measures need to be drastically updated and improved. I also hope that Hans burns his money and reputation in these lawsuits that he started. He had the chance to quit chess while it was still unclear and many people defended him and use the created controversy to his advantage and make a lot of money and have a good life but he is an egoistical and greedy sob and he deserves the worst
@molikeur
@molikeur Жыл бұрын
​@@case6189 But a part from the beads that would imply him making noise in a quiet room and learning some sort of morse code for the 64 squares and the pieces, what else is p r o b a b l e ?
@case6189
@case6189 Жыл бұрын
@@molikeur why don’t you explain why a long time cheater and liar deserves the benefit of the doubt over the world champion
@case6189
@case6189 Жыл бұрын
@@molikeur like I said there’s probably dozens of ways to cheat if you really wanted to. We can start with banning known cheaters and then decide how to run future tournaments. Doubt either will happen anytime soon
@satyakibiswas5315
@satyakibiswas5315 2 жыл бұрын
Andrea rejected Hans Hans - enters into villan arc
@alanramos5322
@alanramos5322 2 жыл бұрын
Did she, tho
@kev_mclernon_family_channe4745
@kev_mclernon_family_channe4745 2 жыл бұрын
You often like to be silly in videos, but I think this presentation indicates that you have on-screen talents that can lead where you seek success, whether as a chess commentator or broadcast news. Cool stuff, I've followed this since the beginning since I followed the tournaments - but I was looking for a video I could share with my non-chess-playing friends, and you are the one, Thank you so much!! kev
@vinayaktripathi8307
@vinayaktripathi8307 10 ай бұрын
just shut up dude. she is not going to read this bs
@lokolb
@lokolb Жыл бұрын
Andrea should do an in depth investigative video showing if and how those beads could work
@HYPERC666
@HYPERC666 2 жыл бұрын
I just started learning chess a week ago from seeing your Lex interview. I'm getting annhilated every single go. But i'm addicted and i love it.
@FFadeaway
@FFadeaway 2 жыл бұрын
Keep trucking on, it gets better.
@HYPERC666
@HYPERC666 2 жыл бұрын
@@FFadeaway reminds me of when i started jiu jitsu. Being wrapped up like a sandwhich, not knowing what is happening
@anderslarsen4412
@anderslarsen4412 2 жыл бұрын
Don't give up! Chess is amazing! Think about it like this: You're not playing to win against the opponent, as much as you're playing to improve your game. The best players in the world still lose almost 50% of their games! (because they play opponents who have same skill). Everyone loses a lot in the beginning. But only some choose to fight and learn until they become good players!
@Erebus369
@Erebus369 2 жыл бұрын
His rapid rise in ranking makes me question his abilities and how it came to be. I'm not a chess player but it piqued my interest in playing.
@MrRyanxdavey
@MrRyanxdavey 2 жыл бұрын
Andrea is so much better like this than her hyper crazy antics. This is a fantastic format for her.
@peterjames232
@peterjames232 2 жыл бұрын
It's funny, we know she is loud, and suddenly she surprise us with this format, I like it.
@codevii9063
@codevii9063 2 жыл бұрын
I kind of like her hyper crazy antics, but yes, this was great too.
@noone-gf5op
@noone-gf5op Жыл бұрын
why not both? I think people naturally have more than one constant way of being. depending on mood, who we're with, what we do... I really liked this video and her concise story telling because it fits. I also think her hyper loud self is fun and fitting in more casual videos. if anything I find Botez content to be top tier because these two really know how to exist in both plains and do it right. so many influencers try to keep up a branded personality, but real people have a spectrum
@marshallmitha6678
@marshallmitha6678 7 ай бұрын
still sexy
@davypi2
@davypi2 2 жыл бұрын
Why does this video have mandatory subtitles? The animated zoom in style is distracting and annoying. Google has its own CC function.
@mattlambert3118
@mattlambert3118 Жыл бұрын
How would you know if no one has gotten away with cheating at the top level? If they got away with it, you wouldn't know they cheated.
@whatsup24_7
@whatsup24_7 2 жыл бұрын
Andrea is always funny but she's well spoken as well.
@MrJungle123
@MrJungle123 2 жыл бұрын
Dude, she's averagely spoken.
@bolts3catch
@bolts3catch 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, kinda wish I was listening to Alex tbh
@whatsup24_7
@whatsup24_7 2 жыл бұрын
You clowns can always go to other channels. Nobody here will miss you. Looks like many people agree with my statement. Yours, not so much.
@Kalki1122
@Kalki1122 2 жыл бұрын
Andrea speaks for itself
@RealAlexLambert
@RealAlexLambert 2 жыл бұрын
But she can't pronounce "defamation" correctly. SMH
@dxnce7593
@dxnce7593 2 жыл бұрын
I like How Andrea stayed unbiased here even tho she know Hans for ages & his friend! And She know Magnus too but still stayed unbiased
@currywhiskers
@currywhiskers 2 жыл бұрын
The most professionalism I've seen from Andrea. Jokes aside, this was a great summary.
@nathanbaker7603
@nathanbaker7603 2 жыл бұрын
What joke lol
@31acruz
@31acruz Жыл бұрын
Andrea, you did a great job covering this. You are a natural broadcaster, that was professional quality that people twice your age can't pull off sometimes, well done! great job!
@projectmo1352
@projectmo1352 Жыл бұрын
Did Hans cheat? - yes Do we have a proof - no
@earthling_parth
@earthling_parth 9 ай бұрын
Who would want to touch that _proof_ though 😂
@jhudson_tiedye
@jhudson_tiedye 8 ай бұрын
he actually admitted it, and was caught on multiple occasions
@screamityeah
@screamityeah 8 ай бұрын
If there is no proof then how do you know he cheated in real tournaments?
@screamityeah
@screamityeah 8 ай бұрын
​@@jhudson_tiedyeOnline not in real life tournaments
@projectmo1352
@projectmo1352 8 ай бұрын
@@screamityeah he doesn't have a proper explaination of doing the best engine move
@justinwilliams2381
@justinwilliams2381 2 жыл бұрын
7:04-7:30 I knew Andrea's response was coming, but it was still hilarious 😂
@toriless
@toriless 2 жыл бұрын
It felt shorter than most of their videos but I doubt it was.
@ludomirsteinbruck9376
@ludomirsteinbruck9376 2 жыл бұрын
@@toriless If hikaru says he is only saying one thing, we all know he is going on and and on
@AR-mu2rz
@AR-mu2rz 2 жыл бұрын
$100 million dollar lawsuit...A Million for Each Time he was caught Cheating LOL
@spectator5144
@spectator5144 2 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@lucinema
@lucinema 2 жыл бұрын
Do more things like this, Andrea, I would never in a million years have thought you would be good at something like this as you for some reason like to have your inside voice set to 100. But a calm and collected Andrea, Absolutely Fantastic
@betadecay6503
@betadecay6503 Жыл бұрын
Why do so many people like you feel the need to insult her while pretending to compliment her? She is who she is, she's not gonna change just because some loser on KZbin gave her a backhanded compliment. "I would never in a million years have thought you would be good at something like this..." Seriously? Why are you like this?
@lucinema
@lucinema Жыл бұрын
@@betadecay6503 ahhh I don't believe I was giving her a backhanded compliment, do you even watch the Botez sisters? Andrea has always been a very hyper active and loud individual and we love her for that and this was a new style of content that she released that was a delightful surprise as we had not seen her in this light. Me asking for more content like this was out of appreciation of how amazing of a job she did in this video. Sorry if my words came across negative that was not my intention :P
@betadecay6503
@betadecay6503 Жыл бұрын
@@lucinema Fair enough if it wasn't your intention but I don't see how this is not a backhanded compliment. You literally told her you didn't think she was capable of being serious. I'd argue that if you didn't know Andrea was capable of this then you do not watch her enough. She's good at everything she puts her mind to...except protecting her queen.
@DanielBoonelight
@DanielBoonelight 10 ай бұрын
@@lucinema good gracious the world is so full of males voicing that females are *too much* and should be *less than* what they most naturally are. props to andrea for not making herself smaller to fit in anyone's boring a*% boxes.
@Spironic
@Spironic Жыл бұрын
1:19 “To this day, no one has gotten away with it at the top level.” A bit tautological, no? If we knew someone had ‘gotten away with it’, they wouldn’t have gotten away with it?
@f.9658
@f.9658 10 ай бұрын
You have to respect Magnus‘ „no drama, no bullshit“-attitude. Withdrew from the game, focused on himself and the game and put out a brief, well written statement, that was as diplomatic, as it was honest and clear. What a guy.
@utkarshdubey282
@utkarshdubey282 2 жыл бұрын
Looks like that date with Hans went quite serious. Anyways brilliantly uncovered the story with least amount of bias, someone needed to make this kind of video.
@martinberit3558
@martinberit3558 2 жыл бұрын
Well spoken, well structured.. you are getting serious, Andrea. Thanks
@deanwilliams433
@deanwilliams433 2 жыл бұрын
Andrea's voice sounds very nice when she is not yelling :D
@toriless
@toriless 2 жыл бұрын
but she usually is
@rogerrabbit110
@rogerrabbit110 Жыл бұрын
Case1 : He cheated and then there will be a way to prove it Case2: He is young. So young in fact that it is possible that his main source of chess moves might have been stock fish his whole life. This would explain why he would mimic often the moves of the machine and that older players who were risen in a different chess culture have also different moves from that very engine.
@AnaCristinaG
@AnaCristinaG 2 жыл бұрын
No new information for me. I really loved that you didn’t “ forgot” any detail, because, details really matters. You we’re honest and not bias to any side. Good job Andrea! Loved every second! ( the one thing I don’t understand on this all storyline is, if Magnus thought that Hans was a cheater in Saint Luis how didn’t he had the same point of view 10 days earlier in Miami and played him like nothing is wrong!??? Can someone please have a theory!????? I’m dying here!!!!)
@Factacious
@Factacious 2 жыл бұрын
A quote from Hikaru that sound like a good explanation. "Probably when he saw Hans’s play in Miami, and on the beach…it didn’t match with the level of the play in the actual event, when you combine it with the long-existing rumours, Magnus became convinced something was off". I will say that it is a case of enough is enough. Personally, I think the evidence is overwhelming. I hope you survive and prosper :)
@bl8896
@bl8896 2 жыл бұрын
Money... my best guess is that whole beach fiasco was to give the public what they wanted and they probably offered too much $ to turn down, why else would they do it
@stvcolwill
@stvcolwill 2 жыл бұрын
to my knowledge, Magnus has never intimated that Hans actually cheated AT the Sinqfield. This very well could have been an extension of his disagreement (along with others) of allowing him to even play as a sub in in the tourney in the first place. Given Hans' history as a cheater which most high level players new about, it's very plausible that Magnus didn't even want to be across the board from a known cheater (phyche mess). It's hard mind-bendingly enough to play in a legendary tourney at that level, let alone with the added (tons of) weight of facing a known cheater over the board. This whole thing quite well may have been a zero-tolerance stance on cheaters by Magnus.
@owenharris9690
@owenharris9690 2 жыл бұрын
To be clear, the amount of money that Hans is suing for does not really matter, it would change dramatically even if he had the most rock solid case and is just a big number to draw attention.
@anjangaki
@anjangaki 2 жыл бұрын
There's an inaccuracy in the beginning of the video. In the FTX crypto cup it's true that Hans didn't score a single point but he also beat every single player in that tournament except Alireza. So, he didn't exactly get thrashed and he's perfectly capable of beating super grandmasters in a game.
@PatNeedhamUSA
@PatNeedhamUSA 3 ай бұрын
"FTX Crypto Cup".... didn't age well
@audisuresgameplay5686
@audisuresgameplay5686 Жыл бұрын
6:03 The Special one does end up appearing everywhere doesn't he? 🤣🤣
@robertwilson3866
@robertwilson3866 Жыл бұрын
That Wesley guy is defending his name "Wesley...SO?!"
@Theking196
@Theking196 10 ай бұрын
lol accusing someone you lost to of cheating with the only evidence being that they played too well.
@AleksiCT
@AleksiCT Күн бұрын
Are you new to chess?
@HFBeep
@HFBeep Жыл бұрын
The reason no one has been documented to get away with cheating at the top level is bcuz they weren’t caught 💀
@HFBeep
@HFBeep Жыл бұрын
Btw by saying this I am not saying the top players are cheaters, just to clarify.
@alexandrefreitas9295
@alexandrefreitas9295 2 жыл бұрын
His lawsuit is totally unprecedented, 100 million would be a joke even if he was suing Elon Musk for that tweet...
@Rlyeh_The_Dead
@Rlyeh_The_Dead Жыл бұрын
Magnus looks like an over-sized Peter Dinklage
@fyru_zero6344
@fyru_zero6344 Жыл бұрын
bro i dont understand, how do you use a cheat engine in a boardgame(irl), like how does it works? vibrating when sees a good move? i dont understand pls tell me
@vaishnavsuresh7043
@vaishnavsuresh7043 10 ай бұрын
Apparently vibrates in morse code
@seamus9305
@seamus9305 2 жыл бұрын
This story is the best. I knew all that stuff but Andrea did such a good, concise, compelling job that I had to listen again.
@ΓεώργιοςΓαλανάκης-ν5ω
@ΓεώργιοςΓαλανάκης-ν5ω Жыл бұрын
I'm sure that he cheated. No way he managed to play 100%accuracy with so much stress involved, when the two greatest players of all time never managed to. He's not even at Kasparov's level!!!
@chali8762
@chali8762 Жыл бұрын
True, true
@tardenov2968
@tardenov2968 Жыл бұрын
100% accuracy? He and Andrea said reasone he won is that magnus played poorly in the game he played only about 40% top engine moves and that is small for a world champion it just wasnt his day it happens i have days when i play so poorly peoppe that are rated 300 points behind me can beat me and days when i go into god mode i had a tournament where i played poorly against weaker players one week later i went to another tournament and every player i played there was stronger than me and i was in 5th out of 50 il
@OIP_1
@OIP_1 2 жыл бұрын
i feel like i've read and seen *way* too much about this story already but i still watched this, great storytelling andrea
@birtawillnews4908
@birtawillnews4908 Жыл бұрын
Everybody gangsta until A bzzzzzz sound is heard in the middle of a chess game
@toxikwastedump
@toxikwastedump Жыл бұрын
1:50 actually, what you can clearly see in this short interview is Hans noticed the FTX sponsorship on the wall and him being the greatest chess player of all time already knew that FTX was a scam so he was offended in that moment and left
@theclutch19
@theclutch19 Жыл бұрын
The fact that Hans winning ten perfect games is not beyond the realm of possibility will win him the lawsuit. Without proof, they all defamed him.
@rkm237
@rkm237 2 жыл бұрын
Your 30sec videos are great and entertaining. Your LONGER videos are truly AWESOME, though, so keep them coming. :)
@spnhm34
@spnhm34 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder how it is we know that no one has cheated in over the board games and got away with it. Head hurts.
@ryuk5673
@ryuk5673 2 жыл бұрын
A laughable $100 million lawsuit? I’m not even unsure anymore. He cheated 1000%. Good for Magnus
@anitamichael595
@anitamichael595 8 күн бұрын
Why have an online tournament ‘in person’ in the first place lmao. Just get a chessboard.
@bryantheawesome
@bryantheawesome 2 жыл бұрын
If Hans is legit I hope he wins, but if he's not, I hope he loses EVERYTHING.
@LoganNagol
@LoganNagol 2 жыл бұрын
Ball don’t lie
@danielyuan9862
@danielyuan9862 2 жыл бұрын
No shit. The case is figuring out whether or not he is legit.
@felixchien1664
@felixchien1664 2 жыл бұрын
Someone did an experiment with a chip being in a shoe. It was actually confirmed that a chip in a shoe can be undetected by metal detectors. Makes sense why airports require you to take off your shoes.
@VistasdelMar2008
@VistasdelMar2008 6 ай бұрын
Airports are looking for nonmetal explosives, which can only be detected by X-ray machines, but one could still detect metal shanks in shoes and boots, so that theory doesn’t travel far.
@toryspelling7737
@toryspelling7737 2 жыл бұрын
I've followed the whole scandal but the commentary here is just great. Very witty and entertaining!
@garfieldfarkle
@garfieldfarkle 10 ай бұрын
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
@justinthompson1757
@justinthompson1757 2 жыл бұрын
The interviewer does what every interviewer does, remind the person of their known flaws but also mentions the positive.
@Royyy13
@Royyy13 2 жыл бұрын
The defaymation case speaks for itself
@Godsecution
@Godsecution 2 жыл бұрын
They know who they are, they can speak for themselves.
@demetsentvrk
@demetsentvrk 2 жыл бұрын
Andrea you need to make more videos like this hahaha so good!
@siddhaarthanad479
@siddhaarthanad479 2 жыл бұрын
Always wanted to know what the full story is about this issue, and this is exactly what i needed :P
@joediditde
@joediditde 2 жыл бұрын
All beads aside, isn't Hans still owed a date with Andrea?
@jovannysanchez
@jovannysanchez 2 жыл бұрын
I need to watch the next stream immedialy. Andrea being this calm for a whole 12 minutes is.... Please stream soon lmao XD
@xxlCortez
@xxlCortez Жыл бұрын
Long story short: we don't know if he cheated but everything points toward that.
@jaybestnz
@jaybestnz 2 жыл бұрын
This is a good summary from Andrea, you can tell that the script is super careful to not say anything that they could get surf for, but to me, while the mathematical tools that show how insanely improbable so many of these events were and how not only has a boy with little sign of prodigy, after being coached by a known cheat, and cheating online regularly (believed to be around 100+ times) leaps to performing better than any person in history. Many games are at a level exceeding any player in history. Also, strangely, apart from an insane leap in performance during the few years since, unlike any other player at this level, he fails to continue to improve at all. Eg if you stack all players in history that are at that level we're prodigies at a very young age, showed genius and beating masters while under 10, then dedicated decades to gradually improving and even improving after hitting international level. Vs a known cheater, of mdoerate ability, skipping all prize games for 6 months and comes back as the best in the world and never improves since. Also, the post match interview showed an extreme lack of memory for the game just played and numerous statements of plays he considered, and most of those were losing options and he seemed to have zero awareness of this. Also, His gameplay over the board is highly erratic, dropping to his pre "miracle" level and then far exceeding the best players in the world. Also, he stated that he had prepped that particular extremely rare opening the day before in a miracle of luck. This open is so utterly rare, and Magnus has only ever played that open 1 time, when he was 7 years old. Many of his interviews also seem to contain very strange and mismatched / guilty sounding replies. The new accent. The cheating, then lying about it being only 2 games... I have been open to both options and if its a miracle - amazing. But just looking at this from a mathematical probability perspective, on balance I feel comfy that he is cheating. And I base that on the maths of the games. The chess speaks for itself.
@jaybestnz
@jaybestnz 10 ай бұрын
@user-hi9jy5wy1m Agreed. And we have some months of that same person, mathematically, playing better than any human who has ever played, happening after he was known to be cheating, and also after being coached my a famous cheater. I feel comfortable that this points to cheating. If it wasn't cheating, it is statistically as unlikely as his insane change of form.
@avc2803
@avc2803 Жыл бұрын
Jose Mourinho in between made it more funnier
@-emshalinka-4773
@-emshalinka-4773 2 жыл бұрын
i didn’t realize how many crypto sponsors there are for chess tournaments
@r.griesche3052
@r.griesche3052 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Much more valuable than the usual trash talk blitz recordings.
@hugowilliams1988
@hugowilliams1988 Жыл бұрын
He doesn't always cheat. It really depends on the opportunities.
@alexking2599
@alexking2599 2 жыл бұрын
The $100 mil dollar figure is meaningless. You can sue for $1bil, but if you can't prove that your damages were in that range, then you won't get awarded the full amount if you win the lawsuit. The most he can expect to win would be the sum of all tournament winnings that he could've won from any tournaments he has been banned from, possibly revenue from publicity, and maybe income he might be able to claim from hikaru from exploiting and profitting off the defamation. Side note, I would love to watch more journalist videos from andrea, this was great!
@DownfallHitlerParody
@DownfallHitlerParody Жыл бұрын
Tell that to Alex Jones - no way were his conspiracy theories worth $1 billion in damages but a biased judge still ordered him to pay. Not saying that will happen in this particular case but it does happen at times.
@cossack814
@cossack814 2 жыл бұрын
It’s very funny how he suddenly picks up an accent.
@artemthetrain14
@artemthetrain14 2 жыл бұрын
Two weeks ago I never thought I'd be watching chess drama on youtube
@davidreim4609
@davidreim4609 2 жыл бұрын
As someone on the very outer fringes of chess, I would like to say that that was very informative and very well done.
@RickBrown1975
@RickBrown1975 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video! I love these non Chess playing videos , I hope you keep doing more!
@dronel1637
@dronel1637 2 жыл бұрын
Wow this was actually a brilliant video. full of relevant information, presented well, some lighthearted jokes that were fitting, to be completely honest, i did not expect this. most recent videos on your channel (i'm just telling my personal view and dont want to offend) lean heavily into the clickbait/look at this girl niche, but this was great. thank you.
@ToxicThirion23
@ToxicThirion23 4 ай бұрын
i took that " get out of youtube drama frog " personal as a little frenchie that i am Lmao
@jo-suuuu
@jo-suuuu Жыл бұрын
Needed this summary... Great job!
@GunDaddy818
@GunDaddy818 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Andrea- the data in these matches is the smoking gun. When Hans is suddenly performing at AI levels and can't clearly explain his thinking, there is something rotten in Denmark.
@aliawada1126
@aliawada1126 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, the best summary we got from all chess creators
@fardinrahmankhan6747
@fardinrahmankhan6747 8 ай бұрын
So, the future of integrity in chess may be fucked because the #1 guy has such an ego that he can't just say he got outplayed? Seems about right.
@Martin1519
@Martin1519 2 жыл бұрын
9:25 The beads theory was heavily investigated. That is the most hilarious thing ever! Lmao 🤣
@Astreides
@Astreides 9 ай бұрын
But just imagine the plot twist: if Hans plays fairly, at least in the in-person tournaments. Then he has a skill and Magnus is just afraid of losing the title of the best chess player. I don’t know the truth, but it’s definitely interesting.
@davidm.9510
@davidm.9510 2 жыл бұрын
Andrea, nicely done! I followed this story in the media early as it unfolded, then watched a couple of other KZbinrs analysis. You went back in his history and summarized how it unfolded.
@petrucci22
@petrucci22 Жыл бұрын
Having suspiciously perfect accurate games, without having the ability to explain your moves to an interviewer is more than enough to me… and for Magnus for that matter. Hans is a criminal mastermind who is able to cheat over the board bypassing all security measures… but he’s certainly cheating for the aforementioned reason above.
@robertwilson3866
@robertwilson3866 Жыл бұрын
He admitted cheating in the past twice . Why stop then? That is all you need to know really. Most people who are gifted at chess wouldn't even bother cheating. You need to a be a particular type of person with no morals or empathy to do it
@NataliaProano-hw7cu
@NataliaProano-hw7cu 6 ай бұрын
Lol no he just doesn't have the ability to do analysis talking . He did an amazing job beating Magnus and instead of victory he gets this, is all very sad.
@NataliaProano-hw7cu
@NataliaProano-hw7cu 6 ай бұрын
@@robertwilson3866 Because he was a teenager then and this is instead a serious tournament lol
@robertwilson3866
@robertwilson3866 6 ай бұрын
@@NataliaProano-hw7cu You seem like the type of person who will believe anything. The guy will cheat whenever he can get away with it.
@NataliaProano-hw7cu
@NataliaProano-hw7cu 6 ай бұрын
@@robertwilson3866 mm you are the one that believes he cheated without any proof. Just Because Magnus said it. Every one has made mistakes it doesn't define us especially if it was in his teens. He should not be condemned for it
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