You're full of it! You stole it from me. I'd sue your rear for plagiarism! I bet my lawyer can beat up on your lawyer with his eyes closed.
@gustavmahler38403 жыл бұрын
What ! Nope
@percyyang83673 жыл бұрын
hello Mahler dad!!!
@gustavmahler38403 жыл бұрын
Hello everyone, I finished my 11th and 12th symphonies now. The 11th's final revision is done but I only finished three movements of the 12th.
@davidmoss9926 Жыл бұрын
🟦 1st Movement : Trauermarsch 🔸Five part structure: Main section (A) - Trio I (B) - Main Section (A') - Trio II (B') - Coda (A'') ◾Main Section (A) in C-sharp minor 1:01 First part beginning with trumpet solo 2:10 Second part, elegiac character 3:10 First part again (altered) 4:02 Second part again (altered) 5:14 Third part beginning in A-flat major and closing in D-flat major / D-flat minor ◾Trio I (B) in B-flat minor 6:26 First Part 6:48 Second part beginning in E-flat minor 7:13 Third part (linked to the first) in B-flat minor ◾Main Section (A') in C-sharp minor 8:00 First part (altered) 8:53 Second part (altered) 10:00 Third part (altered) in D-flat major 10:48 Transition ◾Trio II (B') in A minor 11:00 First part 11:27 Second part beginning in D minor 11:59 Third part in A minor with collapselike climax ◾12:30 Coda (A'') in C-sharp minor 🟦 2nd Movement : Sturmisch bewegt! Turbulently Rough! 🔸Sonata Form, thematically linked to first movement ◾Exposition 13:37 Main section in A minor, part 1 14:10 Main section, part 2 (trumpet motif prominent) 14:48 Transition (tritone motif in trumpets and inferno figures in woodwinds) 14:57 Secondary section in F minor (new setting of Trio II, 11:00) ◾Development 17:06 Diminished 7th chord with inferno figures 17:10 Development and combination of the motifs from the main section 17:40 Tritone motifs (trumpets, later trombones); inferno figures (woodwinds); sighing in strings 17:54 Monody of the 'lamenting' cellos in E-flat minor 19:00 New setting of secondary section in E-flat minor; contrapuntal combination with motifs from the main section 20:10 Motifs from the main section 20:22 Return to the 'main section' of the first movement (10:00), now in B major 21:08 March-like section beginning in A-flat major, growing in intensity 21:43 Pesante: anticipation of the chorale (in A major) ◾Recapitulation 21:52 Main section beginning in A minor and leading to E minor 22:25 Secondary section beginning in E minor and leading to E-flat minor 24:25 Wuchtig/Weighty : contrapuntal combination of motifs from the secondary sections 25:13 Pesante: Chorale in D major (Vision of Paradise) ◾Coda 26:30 Diminished 7th chord over a nonchord B-flat, main motif of the movement, inferno figures, sighing motifs 26:37 First part of the main section in D minor (a surge of intensificiation leads up to a collapselike climax) 27:23 Area of resolution in A minor 🟦 3rd Movement : Scherzo ◾Main section 28:29 First period (main theme) 28:45 Second period (main theme with modified contrapuntal restatement) 28:56 Third period (variation of the main theme) 29:10 Fourth period (with a new eighth-note theme and a concise rhythmic counter theme beginning in B minor and leading into the substance of the main theme) 29:44 Fifth period 29:54 Sixth period (beginning with the eighth-note theme and leading into the substance of the main theme) 30:34 Seventh period ◾Trio I (in B-flat Major) 30:51 Period 1 31:15 Period 2 ◾Main section (shortened recapitulation) 31:45 Period 1 31:59 Period 2 32:12 Fugato on the eighth note theme ◾Trio II 32:33 First section (of preparatory character) 32:53 Second section (beginning slow and with growing intensity) 33:31 Third section: four line episode in G minor 34:56 Fourth section: New version of the theme, reminiscent of Trio I 35:32 Fifth section: imitative treatment of the theme 36:39 Sixth section: new version of the theme with added reminisces of Trio I and the main theme) ◾Development 37:50 Development and contrasting of the motifs of Trio I and the main theme ◾Recapitulation (greatly modified) Main Section, Period 1 (38:53), 2 (39:08), 3 (39:20), 4 (39:31) 40:07 Trio I 40:23 Trio II combined with the eighth-note theme 41:23 Strongly, motifs of Trio I and of the main theme developed in two large waves of intensification 42:33 New version of the episode from Trio II ◾Coda 44:21 Stretta 🟦 4th Movement : Adagietto 45:25 ◾Popularized in Luchino Visconti’s film Death in Venice, kzbin.info/www/bejne/n3mlkIyNfryee5o ◾Its mood and certain melodic turns are related to the Ruckert song Ich bin der Welt abhanden gekommen. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iqutqnyNrc-Lb9E ◾Mahler’s declaration of love for Alma! ◾Middle section: quotes the “gaze motif” from Wagner’s Tristan and Isolde. kzbin.info/www/bejne/npS8m36plJ6irJo @ 3'10" 🟦 5th Movement : Rondo-Finale ◾Introduction 53:51 Presentation of several motifs that play a role in the fugal passages [note bassoon 54:05 = clarinet in Lob des hohen Verstandes from Das Knaben Wunderhorn @0:06 kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6OkhqOsaMplf5Y] ◾Exposition 54:33 Main section, arranged in bar form = Rondo theme in D major: allegro giocoso. Fresh 55:10 Fugal Part I (D Major) [note 55:27 is a transformation of 25:58] 56:38 Main section : Rondo theme in D major 57:15 Fugal Part II (B-flat major, D major, f-sharp major) 57:41 Secondary section (grazioso) in B major [a metamorphosis of 49:39 from IV] 58:36 Epilogue in B major ◾Development 58:45 Introductory section (flowing) 59:18 Fugal Part III 59:54 Section beginning in C major 1:00:26 Section beginning in B major and modulating to D major 1:01:02 Secondary section in D major, partly treated imitatively and partly provided with countermelodies 1:01:59 Epilogue 1:02:08 Fugal Part IV ◾Recapitulation 1:03:24 Main section varied : Rondo theme in D major 1:04:09 Fugal Part V 1:05:08 Development of the main section in A-flat and A major 1:05:59 Secondary section in G major 1:07:10 Transition [gradually and constantly faster] 1:07:34 Chorale in D major ◾Coda 1:08:20 Stretta 1:08:41 Interesting form of the chorale melody in the horns "the mood is at times reminiscent of the second Wayfarer song kzbin.info/www/bejne/bIemoZWDhc2gjbs and its wholesome world, as well as the first movement of the 4th with which the Rondo-Finale share some childlike figures", eg. flute @ 55:35 similar to @1:27 kzbin.info/www/bejne/j5_JmXykj7Ggi7M ◾notes based on Constantin Floros : Gustav Mahler The Symphonies, Amadeus Press (1985)
@orlandoavogadro Жыл бұрын
you are my hero
@zoeyadventures2659 Жыл бұрын
❤
@jps-fun Жыл бұрын
The most valuable player! Not all heroes wear capes!
@47nalva Жыл бұрын
Excelente trabajo!, muchas gracias David!
@miroslavvilhan8273 Жыл бұрын
Bro..... good job. You are really into classicall form. I bet you wrote an essay about it
@DaviSilva-oc7iv4 жыл бұрын
When I started listening Mahler I just thought it was boring, but now I am discovering a whole new universe of great music, Mahler composed differently from other romantic composers, his music is quite odd but the more I listen to his music the more I realize how great it is. Mahler is an acquired taste.
@tobilori88243 жыл бұрын
true, i think most of his composition is not immediately catchy, but after hearing it a few times, it is very rich and beautiful. If you havent heard it yet, i recommend "ich bin der Welt abhanden gekommen" from the Rückert Lieder. That is played in the movie Birdman, and its really nice. :)
@dhjerth3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. There's just nothing to grab your attention in Mahler. For a long time, I had no idea how to listen to his symphonies, it all just sounded incoherent and indulgent to me. Then I listened to "Das Lied von die Erde", and loved it, and that made something click, the other symphonies suddenly made sense. Now I love Mahler. I love Maaaahler
@scottmiller64953 жыл бұрын
@@dhjerth He was the greatest composer of Symphonies by anyone of all time. It started with his Symphony No. 1 which is a landmark work that grabs your heart right from the start! Nobody in history of classical music has been able to achieve this brilliance in such a short amount of time! He only lived 51 short years and composed 10 symphonies that are above and beyond Incredible atleast most people finally agree !!!!!
@Tod_oMal3 жыл бұрын
No matter what I do, I still find Mahler boring. For how long should a continue to discover it?
@dhjerth3 жыл бұрын
@@Tod_oMal Did you try his lieder? Most are very stormy and unboring
@knownanonymous169110 ай бұрын
I want to apologise to myself for not discovering Mahler any sooner💔 but I'm celebrating my 20th birthday with this breathtaking piece of music. This is insanely beautiful
@mohammedtafat17699 ай бұрын
Yes with malher life is wondrful
@davidchukwuocha70529 ай бұрын
Happy birthday mate !
@dst02128 ай бұрын
Happy birthday
@scottmiller64957 ай бұрын
I love Mahler, listen to his Symphony No 1 and you'll be hooked ! His No. 1 is the Best Composed First Symphony of All Time!!!!!
@F-reddyy6 ай бұрын
Happy birthday.
@pverlee6 ай бұрын
I had the pleasure of playing viola in the Chicago Civic Orchestra in the 1980s, basically a very good student orchestra whose players all took lessons from members of the Chicago Symphony or in the Chicago area. Occasionally, the guest conductor of the Chicago symphony would agree to lead the orchestra and one Saturday morning, it happened to be Claudio Abbado. He asked us what we wanted to play, someone suggested Schumann 4, and the librarians passed out the music. Abbado did not need a score. We realized we were going to sight read Schuman four with of the greatest conductors ever. It was electrifying. He knew every note. And was a personable, gentle soul. Never yelled at anyone. Just encouragement. After it was over, He thanked us and we stood up and gave him our heartfelt applause. Such a wonderful man.
@malindley4 ай бұрын
Lovely story
@kylinfan3 ай бұрын
您也是非常优秀的。
@gabrielebatista1921 Жыл бұрын
As an enthusiast of great classical music I came here not only because of Cate Blanchett's exceptional performance in Tár (in her maestro role) but also because I could not get rid of this mesmerizing piece of music. What a gift it is being able to watch and listen to Claudio Abbado! Surprised how I only came to discover him and Mahler this year, for sure I will not forget them so soon.
@rodrigofurtado5542 Жыл бұрын
She is beyond perfection in the movie. And also her performance made me curious about conduction of this masterpiece
@russellbruzek9668 Жыл бұрын
Saw Film last Month, did not care fot it, but, music, was Wonderful. Listing to Mahler 5th Now.CAN't belive SHE is up for an OSCAR????
@obbie1osias467 Жыл бұрын
@@rodrigofurtado5542 "Conduction"?😳😳😳
@rodrigofurtado5542 Жыл бұрын
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conducting
@rodrigofurtado5542 Жыл бұрын
@@obbie1osias467 sorry about my English, Shakespeare…
@felixfourcolor3 жыл бұрын
If you want to sound smart, just say you love Mahler.
@ferrisgrummer73373 жыл бұрын
I love Mahler
@medoudou4413 жыл бұрын
Hummm...two set there buddy?
@scottmiller64953 жыл бұрын
Mahler is now finally considered the best symphony composer of all time Ever !!!!!
@scottmiller64953 жыл бұрын
@@ferrisgrummer7337 So do I Mahler was the best Symphony Composer of all time Period !!!!!
@jhaymarthortiz99393 жыл бұрын
I love Wagner.
@jonasdelaat76179 ай бұрын
Absolutely phenomenal in every way. Mahler will forever break my heart and rebuild it in the same piece
@Tuxedo26805 жыл бұрын
I. 0:55 - Trauermarsch. In gemessenem Schritt. Streng. Wie ein Kondukt II. 13:36 - Stürmisch bewegt. Mit grösster Vehemenz III. 28:20 - Scherzo (Kräftig, Nicht zu schnell) IV. 45:17 - Adagietto (Sehr langsam) V. 53:49 - Rondo-Finale (Allegro)
+Daniel Oliveira I don't think anybody now or past ever put so much emotion into conducting as did Abbado.
@progresso20238 жыл бұрын
Yes I agree with you
@mydogskips28 жыл бұрын
Valery Gergiev. Perhaps Solti. Dudamel.
@vincentbourgon25178 жыл бұрын
allow me to suggest Yannick nezet séguin
@TheRemyWagner7 жыл бұрын
Bien sûr!!
@alirezapajouhandeh97933 жыл бұрын
How could a piece be both intense and comforting at the same time😍
@scottmiller64953 жыл бұрын
Because of Mahler and Abbado!!!!!
@WolfgangXP65-673 жыл бұрын
@@scottmiller6495 the greats. I really liked Bernstein until seeing Abbado. A conductor of true enjoyment and understanding deserves praise and I wish he was still living by this time that I know of him.
@scottmiller64953 жыл бұрын
@@WolfgangXP65-67 Agreed.
@marcwayne95142 жыл бұрын
You should listen to Paul Desmond .
@enriquesanchez200110 жыл бұрын
This is THE MOST BELOVED conductor of his generation! May he rest in ETERNAL PEACE and JOY!
@hansjurgenmunch96803 жыл бұрын
Ich liebe diese Musik, kann garnicht genug davon hören, mit das Schönste was es gibt
@abundance66927 жыл бұрын
A Mahler's 5th for the ages. People will be listening to this performance hundreds of years from now. There probably has never been an orchestra so totally suited to play Mahler's music as this version of the Lucerne Festival Orchestra, seen and heard at its peak here. The clarity of all the contrapuntal lines in the finale is amazing. No other performance I've heard (there have been many) has achieved this.
@Tuxedo26805 жыл бұрын
I couldn't agree more. For me it was as if I was hearing it for the first time. Unlike you, I hadn't heard any other versions other than Karajan's but in the first few bars of the 1st movement, the contrast is already striking. Like you said, the degree of clarity, detail and sheer musicality of Abbado and the LFO elicits boundless admiration and pure joy. This recording and all the others in this series (Mahler symphonies 1 to 7 - Abbado - LFO) are an absolute must-have for any true connoisseur of Gustav Mahler's music.
@stewiewonder26015 жыл бұрын
Totally agree, however I can't understand why it's not possible to get all of these on CD.
@Tuxedo26805 жыл бұрын
@@stewiewonder2601 I got the 4-disc Blu-Ray set (Mahler Symphonies 1-7, Rückert -Lieder + Prokofiev Piano Concerto No.3) from Amazon for around $60 (a great bargain IMO) but not being able to have it on CD was my main complaint to EuroArts and I would have gladly bought those as well. It is possible however to extract the stereo LPCM sound track from those with AnyDVD + TSmuxer and make your own CD's or MP3's using the WavePad editor. The downsides are that AnyDVD is not free and there's about 20 hours of tedious work involved. All depends how badly you want them.
@barrysmith12024 жыл бұрын
no disrespect here, but i'm very curious about a few things re mahlers' works: ** i'm 64, a rather casual fan of a very wide spectrum of music; ** Melody-- what are your thoughts on Melody? eg, Hummable tunes; i'm just curious; ** in the mid 90s, i saw a movie (an 'independent', 'art-theater' film), a bio-drama about mahler, family, in which mahler proclaimed ''beethoven is dead'; in one scene, his wife is sitting in the front row, opening night of his latest composition; the movie director made absolutely clear, via extreme close-ups, that the wife was thoroughly, seriously, aghast at the whole thing; ** all this so far, is of course, simply (?) a matter taste--eg, your taste, my taste, the movie directors' taste, mahler fans, etc; ** there are a few minutes of a couple of mahlers' works, that i find quite worth listening to-- the rest? i just don't get it, in a world where one COULD be listening to-- what would one call it__ dozens of bubblegum classical pieces?
@denise21694 жыл бұрын
Barry, I understand what you are saying. When I first heard a Mahler Symphony in my university music studies, I didn't appreciate that there was not a 'hummable' melody. I am 68, and only now that I have retired and and been isolated with the Covid crisis, with time on my hands, have I really started listening to Mahler. And I only started listening to his music because it is conducted by Claudio Abbado, who's work am I discovering is truly amazing. What I am learning, as I listen to more and more of Abbado's work - and through the youtube documentaries about him - is that to him, music is about emotion and passion on a deep level - he does not have an ego with this. Now, when I listen to these youtube recordings, I feel these emotions from deep inside ME - they often make me cry, as they are so beautiful and moving. And when I watch and listen to these recordings, I hear and see that Abbado feels and transmits immense joy and energy (as in this symphony) or sublime calm (please listen to Mahler's 3rd symphony with Abbado, especially the beautiful slow 4th movement, starting at about 45:10, I think), and all of the emotions in between. To me, he is the only conductor that truly becomes one with his orchestra and brings out these passions from all of the orchestra members. In one documentary that I saw about him in rehearsal, he tells the orchestra members to listen to one another - his musicians say that he does not think of himself as the boss, but rather, he is able to bring all of the different 'musical lines' together. This means that there is not one melody, but that different instruments have different counter-melodies that are all woven together. So, there is generally no one hummable melody, as there are many all flowing together. These are called contrapuntal lines, and what I am beginning to appreciate in Mahler's music, is that despite all of these different instrumental lines going on at the same time, there is an over-riding passion and emotion that Abbado's orchestra is able to bring together through their conductor. When I look at video shots showing the whole orchestra, I see the musicians all moving intensely together, with the same energy, as if they are one. It's quite magical, and not something I really see with other conductors and orchestras. And looking at Abbado's and their faces, I can see the joy and emotion that they are experiencing. I hope you continue listening to more of Abbado and his work, for I have been learning a lot. Sometimes, I will even get up and listen, when I can't sleep in the middle of the night!
@worm_w0r3 жыл бұрын
twoset reccomended them, therefore here i am
@LuxiferreArt3 жыл бұрын
You are fast my boi
@darksiderr_13523 жыл бұрын
lol saame
@pxpeiphang90773 жыл бұрын
Same
@8starsAND3 жыл бұрын
who the fck is twoset? next yt kid streamer?
@enriqueandres19983 жыл бұрын
@@bies22 no it doesn't matter.
@spiritualatheist18 жыл бұрын
At the very start, the camera picked out Maestro Abbado's lifelong friend, pianist Maurizio Pollini (the one wearing glasses and blue tie). They tried to never miss each other's concerts and Abbado conducted Pollini on piano on occasion.
@JohnSmith-ju7xc8 жыл бұрын
Loved both of them and always tried (and still try with Pollini) to attend their New York appearances. This orchestra with him conducting is stunning.
@TheSavonarole7 жыл бұрын
John Smith t
@lorenzodaponte28277 жыл бұрын
Pollini played Beethoven's fourth concert in the first part of evening.
@TomAngPhoto6 жыл бұрын
Well spotted!
@matteogenerani50975 жыл бұрын
Chris Doby at 0:43!
@keithyeung90973 жыл бұрын
Now at 2021, I still can't find a better conductor than Mr. Claudio Abbado. He is such a great conducting giant.
@scottmiller64953 жыл бұрын
He was and loved by millions all over the world!!!!!
@aileenteo70272 жыл бұрын
Claudio Abbado is in his element. God only made one Claudio for us to enjoy. No comparison. He is a class of his own.
@flylooper Жыл бұрын
My God, how I miss Abbado. A phenomenal director.
@vierto88786 жыл бұрын
Mahler & Abbado they still my heros since I was teen, now at 62 I feel the same...
@antwerpsmerle14044 жыл бұрын
@Vierto I agree! My first Abbado concert was Mahler 5 in 1972, and the last was Bruckner 5 in 2011. Both in London. A great musician who just got better and better. RIP, Maestro.
@scottmiller64953 жыл бұрын
@@antwerpsmerle1404 Nobody talks about Abbados curtain calls from the remaining audiences after the orchestra leaves the stage, usually this occured in Europe where the people automatically loved him and immediately gave him standing ovation s that would wake up the dead!!!!!
@scottmiller64953 жыл бұрын
Incredible duo that you won't see anymore. Klaus Tenndstedt was runner up, listen to his performance from 1990 in Chicago of Mahler No. 1 where the audience went crazy for him just like Abbado got !!!!!
@antwerpsmerle14043 жыл бұрын
@@scottmiller6495 yes, curtain calls in Europe can be very prolonged and enthusiastic. Abbado had some wonderful and well-deserved ones when he brought Die Zauberflöte to the Edinburgh Festival. The most extreme I witnessed was on the last night of the Bayreuth Festival, after Tristan with Jerusalem, Meier and Barenboim. The ovations only ceased, after 25 minutes, when Siegfried Jerusalem made a gesture which clearly said “please may I now go and have a glass of beer?”. Klaus Tennstedt was also VERY special to his adoring audience in London. He had a wonderful rapport with the LPO, but they and we all knew that his health was fragile, and that there would be cancellations. A lifetime of smoking had wrought irreversible damage, but somehow that fact added to the unbelievable and almost unbearable intensity of his concerts. Even now my eyes fill with tears when I remember him.
@joseagustincandanedo29983 жыл бұрын
Abbado's big smile shows that he is enjoying the experience to the fullest!!
@planetsoccer997 жыл бұрын
I have come back so many times. This symphony is always there for me. Mahler is the king.
@StefanSchmalhaus4 жыл бұрын
I couldn't agree more.
@germangarcia34264 жыл бұрын
Best
@pmlouisjuste4 жыл бұрын
Mahler is an absolute genius. I like Tchaikovski's 6th as well (among other haha)
@slmhcgqu10 ай бұрын
abbado's lucerne mahler cycle is incredible
@scottmiller64957 ай бұрын
His Mahler No. 1 from 2009 is thee best and thrilling with a roaring standing ovation along with his own curtain call after the orchestra leaves, WOW 😳😳😳😳😳
@MASKANDPLAY10 жыл бұрын
It's amazing to see someone in the last few years of their life conducting with such energy. RIP
@ojtrumpet10 жыл бұрын
+ Maestro Stefan Dohr
@DavidClay12066 жыл бұрын
lol Martin nice to see you here
@kiaraeijo4 ай бұрын
I can’t believe it’s been 10 years since we lost Claudio Abbado
@gaetanofrancescodesantis1273 Жыл бұрын
It makes my want to cry to listen to this Symphony, this orchestra, and watch Abbado’s face. So intensely moving…❤
@brunoantonello94783 жыл бұрын
Grande sinfonia e grande Abbado, uno dei più grandi che l'Italia abbia avuto!
@adude3942 жыл бұрын
Absolutely spellbinding. I've performed this symphony (French horn player), and I can tell you from the inside just how difficult this music is. The fact that these players made it seem so easy is a testament to their phenomenal skills, and Maestro Abbado's consummate musicianship.
@trupttks11 жыл бұрын
A musician and conductor who I have always admired, Rest in Peace Maestro Claudio Abbado.
@PilekKwiatowy3 жыл бұрын
Mahlers genius. Abbados one of the greatest. But my comment is for video director. He knows and feels the music and gives us a look on who’s instrument is soloing. Thank you
@suedwestfunk7 жыл бұрын
Nothing compares to this. Thanks to the musicians and the unforgettable Claudio Abbado: It's my strongest antidepressant, a never failing way back to joy and courage.
@suedwestfunk6 жыл бұрын
Und es macht leider süchtig.
@youngwoo58602 жыл бұрын
구스타프말러에 오자 댓글수준이 너무 높아졌네
@brichpmr4 жыл бұрын
This orchestra under Abbado was an all-star collection of some of the greatest orchestral players on the planet; and Abbado was a sympatico musical genius.
@ЛюбовьБогданова-в2х2 жыл бұрын
Прекрасны все: и Малер, и Аббадо, и оркестр! Спасибо!
@nancylee8061 Жыл бұрын
All of Claudio Abbado's Mahlers have a special place in my heart.
@scottmiller64957 ай бұрын
Me too his Lucerne Festival Concerts from the early 2000s were fantastic and incredible with enthusiastic fans and roaring standing ovations!!!!!
@mikemiller79576 жыл бұрын
I'm here because Steve Vai told me to listen to Mahler's 4th and 5th ten times with an open mind and it would change my life. I'm a rocker for the most part but I must say this is fantastic stuff. I don't really understand classical music but this I am enjoying!
@Balfour.6 жыл бұрын
Mike Miller I'm also a rocker and I listen to Mahler since I was a kid. Let me tell you, not being familiarized with classical music and somehow having a genuine interest to get into Mahler's repertoire it's pretty ballsy. Bravo sir! I hope your path in this universe has just begun.
@mikemiller79576 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I have noticed that I hear music differently now that I 've been listening to Mahler for about a month. There is so much in there I hear something new every time I listen.
@youririnsema11486 жыл бұрын
Enjoying the music is more important than understanding it :)
@michelleclerc38575 жыл бұрын
@@mikemiller7957 "There is so much in there I hear something new every time I listen." This is a great sentence, and honestly it tells why there is something in art that justifies our interest in it at all - because if that weren’t the case enjoying and loving Nature and the beauty in humans and animals would be so much more worth our while. As a lifelong listener and humble practitioner of great music may I point out your next steps in Mahler? You will know that he has a darker side that revolves around loss and suffering and death n(Steve Vai did point out to you the to "happiest" symphonies by Mahler. But you may want to listen to the 3rd, which takes one and a half hour and has six movements, first. There is a lot of enjoyment of Nature in it and then it ends with a long slow movement that celebrates human love really (like a grander, more solemn companion to the 5th’s Adagietto. Then, moving towards Mahler’s darker side, listen to the 1rst movement of the 2nd, which is basically a tragic, very serious song of despair at a friend's passing. Steeled by that movement (and by the darker rock music, I’d say) do tackle Mahler’s most severe and bitter Symphony, the 6th - one gigantic struggle against Fate. Your appreciation of that Symphony will lead you into the world of his final symphonies (from 7 to 10 really, as well as the Song of the Earth) who all basically say: "And still I do have hope!” Something appropriate to our times, maybe?
@Quotenwagnerianer4 жыл бұрын
"I don't really understand classical music but this I am enjoying!" You don't have to understand it. Enjoying it is more than enough. I grew up with this kind of music. Especially Mahler I loved from my first encounter with him around the age of 6. Do you think I did understand what he does at that age? No. I was just swept away. Now I understand what he does because I studied music and it adds to the enjoyment and appreciation of his genius. But is it necesarry? No. It's just a bonus. So boldly venture forth into the classical repertoire. You'll find lots to enjoy.
4 жыл бұрын
This is not only the best performance of Mahler's 5th symphony but one of the best performance of whole symphonic history.. RIP Abbado.
@ВалентинаДубовик-к3ц2 жыл бұрын
Романтично, впечатляет!
@brave1671 Жыл бұрын
😂
@CutieSenussi Жыл бұрын
It’s fairly cheesy music compared to the baroque masters to be honest.
@ThomasRomanowski Жыл бұрын
@@CutieSenussi bro just said Mahler is cheesy
@karrotkake7 ай бұрын
@@CutieSenussisorry, i know this comment is late, but cheesy? how can such complex music be "cheesy"? its very cinematic and energetic/exciting, thats for sure, but what makes it cheesy? i mean personally the only baroque composer i might put above mahler is bach, but no one else made symphonies like mahler and thats an undeniable fact. the symphony didnt even exist in the baroque era
@d1d4d010 жыл бұрын
Probably the greatest conductor of the last 40 years...
@MegaLajeunesse10 жыл бұрын
Inégalé pour moi dans Mahler. Mahler m'ennuyait avec Abbado j'adore.
@giuseppeconsonni47686 жыл бұрын
minchiata immensa||
@christophetetu39485 жыл бұрын
@@MegaLajeunesse : écoutez la Symphonie no.5, 4ème mouvement : "Adagietto" interprétée par le World Orchestra for Peace et dirigée par Valery Gergiev...
@castellimariachiaracastell74235 жыл бұрын
@@giuseppeconsonni4768 uno che risponde così volgarmente nemmeno è degno di accostarsi a nessuna musica
@astridarraut95025 жыл бұрын
Probably? No he is the greatest period.!
@skny22823 жыл бұрын
Who came here to receive true enjoyment for our ears and souls?
@Merisi161011 жыл бұрын
Claudio Abbado is conducting, one of the greatest italian Director - good is not the word, maybe magnificent is just a bit closer to his art. Enjoy it
@AmadeusRel4 жыл бұрын
Genius is a small word to describe Maestro Abbado. What kind of brain made him able to memorize the nine big and complicated Mahler's symphonies and conduct them (without score) with such brilliancy ? I think Mahler himself couldn’t do it. RIP Great Maestro Abbado.
@megabugginout2 жыл бұрын
👏 👏 👏 👏
@Queeen7q2 жыл бұрын
Mahler was one of the greatest conductors of his time.
@pascalpoussin12092 жыл бұрын
A Google chip was inserted into his brain, brilliant.
@scottmiller64952 жыл бұрын
@@Queeen7q And maybe the greatest composer of symphonies of all time as well! Start with no. 1 and go from there, it,s unbelievable how brilliant he was ! 10 Outstanding symphonies in his short 51 years of life !!!!!
@GuilhermeMichel2 жыл бұрын
@@scottmiller6495 Beethoven is more genius, but I like more Mahler's symphonies.
@andrescastilloarce8 жыл бұрын
Abbado was a true master of Mahler
@pega17pl5 жыл бұрын
When Abado was very first time strudent at Vienna he runs into funeral procession with music band by accident. At this moment he knows how to play Mahler. (Told by himself at an interview.)
@viviannemassoud1991 Жыл бұрын
Bonsoir bravo pour ce beau ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
@hhgygy Жыл бұрын
Lydia Tár brought me here. Beautiful.
@simonf89029 ай бұрын
She loves it.
@katelynholmes95046 ай бұрын
She brought me here too.
@geoffroymb2 жыл бұрын
What people probably don't realize is that all these players are super stars in their own rights, soloist-level players, all gathered in one outstanding orchestra, probably the best in the world!
@pepemartinez10074 жыл бұрын
Abbado en Lucerna una maravilla para todos y para siempre.Muchas Gracias Maestro
@pbspower4 ай бұрын
제가 들어봤던 모든 말러 5번 중 최고입니다.
@mutantbaby16729 жыл бұрын
Incredible playing. Simply stunning.
@leilah2199 жыл бұрын
+Mutant Baby I agree ! The best combination!
@onshanma38427 жыл бұрын
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@Aldous9445 жыл бұрын
Abbado conducts Mahler without a score. That, to simple old me, is one of the first signs that we are seeing a genius at work. All the superlative conductors can do this. I'm not knocking the conductors who need a score. (I took a summer-long course on conducting, and found it magical to be able to read a score and do anything with it. But I hadn't a hope of conducting anything without the score.) There are some very good conductors who still need the score as an aid. Klemperer conducted with the score, as did Pierre Boulez, both genius conductors. They and Abbado are undoubtedly in the pantheon of the greats, with Karajan, Bernstein, Rattle... I love what Abbado can get out of an orchestra.
@30125011 жыл бұрын
The classical music world has lost one of the greatest conductors who has ever graced the podium. Never a showman, Abbado's interpretations of Mahler (and Beethoven et al) will surely go down in history as being among the best around. RIP, maestro.
@andreapandypetrapan10 ай бұрын
I have listened to this stupendous performance now five times! A million comments are possible - but how clear it is that in this symphony Mahler shows with complete rhetorical eloquence how s/he inhabits two vastly separated worlds. That of pre-Great War Vienna, of supreme opulence and exquisite sensibility and philosophical ambition. The world of Klimpt and Schiele, the Vienna Secession, of Karl Krauss, of the symbolist Arnold Schoenberg who wrote "Transfigured Night" and "Pelleas und Melisande". Of Freud, and early Thomas Mann, and the family Wittgenstein. And then it is as if we are ejected out of such decadent refinements, and into the biting world of cynicism, parody and surrealism of post-war Berlin and Vienna .... of shattered empires and crippled veterans on every corner, and rouged yet starved erotic services girls and boys fucking and sucking their way from one day to the next. A vista of millions pointlessly slaughtered, and the grinding bitterness of Otto Dix and Max Beckmann. A world of Dadaism, surrealism, of politicised psychoanalysis, of revolutionary Marxist Leninist politics and art, of Brecht and the Bauhaus. The world also of the Frei Corps and the incipient bacillus of reactionary petit-bourgeois fascism. Where the ideas of rationality and progress were just twisted rubbish, and one could do nothing but mouth and parrot obsolete ideas. One soon to be blessed even further by the economic and social whirlwind of the Wall Street Crash of 1929. That is why Mahler's music is often so simultaneously heartbreaking, and sentimental, and self-consciously bathetic-banal-trashy, and yet sensuous and profound, and full of quotes and echoes and mockeries and parodies. Music of stunning polyphonic brass chorales praising and straining for a heaven lost forever. As if one was taking a cup of hemlock tasting like vintage champagne to celebrate the beauties that once existed. In that way, Mahler is one of the finest and most ironic "socialist-realist artists" of any modern era. Indeed, to hear much of his work, with contemporary ears, is to be (what analogy can one grasp) walking in 1945 through the ghettos of Warsaw and Kraków, haunted by the lives of the millions slain and thrust into the ovens, and the ghastly sight of their cities in rubble. A world of Kafka and absurdism and Sonderkommandos, and the outraged analysis and protests of Hannah Arendt. Mahler is a "pre-figuring prophet and witness" to that complete destruction of the confidence of the Enlightenment which still envelopes and strangles our present world. Our lives are what? An idiotic morally and psychologically depraved "escapade in techno-fantasy", the extolling of masculine emotional infantilism and eroticised depravity, moral and psychical and emotional and political bankruptcy masquerading as an enlightened "absolute novelty" wrought of a vast demented fiction gloriously enrobed as "Virtual Reality". In short, an epoch of revolting masculine and patriarchal "psychical cripples" strutting with huge technical prowess. A globally interconnected world of light-speed rumours and manufactured outright lies, of a million childish perspectives prompted to microscopic focus on complete trivia, of malevolent yet tremulous and timorous government agencies spying upon billions of fools who blindly trust their absolute political and financial masters. Of impending global chaos as the nuclear tipped Yankee Petro-Dollar Empire teeters into collapse. Of the new Nazis in Tel Aviv, murdering and displacing millions of Untermenschen now called Palestinians. How well our Zionist brothers and sisters have become enthralled by this psychotic entrapment, so luridly manifested by the failed painter and paranoid pamphleteer form Vienna. All these worlds are the handicraft of men, and of their ever-ready but misguided co-conspirators, drawn from the ranks of far too many women, who ought to know better. Love, andrea
@mannsquest99534 жыл бұрын
An unbelievable conductor leads an unbelievable ensemble playing an unbelievable composer in a manner which is truly head and shoulders above all else. Ever. Period.
@denise21694 жыл бұрын
And what I also love, is that Abbado allows his musicians to truly be expressive in their own right - I see this in their faces and in their movements! What an amazing feeling this must have been! I wish that I had the talent to have been a member of this fine ensemble!
@virginiastofler17039 ай бұрын
Ho scoperto Mahler solo ieri ed è nuovo per me, rimarrò all' ascolto per molto tempo lo sento affine. Grazie Maestro❣️🌹🫂
@organboi8 ай бұрын
They're not HIS musicians
@tritonneptune3834 Жыл бұрын
Just visually, that shot 22:29 is so captivating, the way everything is moves. So grateful for the filming of this concert and the upload!
@김민석-u7v Жыл бұрын
Yeah this is so amazing
@SCX2k11 ай бұрын
It is my favourite moment in all art
@andrewiwai3881 Жыл бұрын
The adagietto, with the lovely chords and the beautiful deep notes, stirs some emotions deep inside of me every time I hear it. Amazing.
@maryyueil8 жыл бұрын
The first cellist is Claudio Abbado's good friend Natalia Gutman, famous Russian cellist.
@OscarGeronimo6 жыл бұрын
Everybody there is famous/recognized/respected/a master. That's the point of the Lucerne Festival Orchestra.
@stanimiradervenova217 Жыл бұрын
They breathe music and silence. I have rarely heard so much silence played by an orchestra ❤ Bravo, maestro !
@adrianagmlima4 жыл бұрын
I’m 46 years old now and there’s one year I’ve find out this piece. This is simply the most perfect music composed by someone. Thank you Gustav Mahler. The sound of my soul ✨
@scottmiller64953 жыл бұрын
Wait a minute, Mahler was the greatest symphony composer of all time and if you love him the way I do then listen to his fantastic Symphony No 1 which is incredible and if you find it amazing, then listen to No. 7 too. Believe you me it will definitely make you a bigger Mahler fan than you already are!!!!!
@paulvarn47123 жыл бұрын
The 9th Adagio still hypnotizes me every time. Even now over 100 years later it's as modern and inventive as anything written today. Mahler was also the highest paid symphony conductor in the world at the time. He taught world world how to orchestrate the amazing music we take for granted in spectacular movie scores. He taught us how to help the listener feel intensely.
@itemasylum31852 жыл бұрын
ok
@kyeongashin3 жыл бұрын
So miss Abbado..I love his interpretation of Mahler's fifth symphony.
@Wahl9511 жыл бұрын
What an AMAZING interpretation of this symphony. Reinhold Friedrich is an exceptional trumpet soloist: one of the best I have heard.
@setharenstein8497 Жыл бұрын
Agree...never overblows, his solos are understated yet fit the tone beautifully
@RoyalFizzbin Жыл бұрын
Is there a name for the type of trumpet he is using?
@rgibeli Жыл бұрын
@@RoyalFizzbin They use rotary trumpets
@alandickinson8234 Жыл бұрын
He IS the best
@thylatrash76683 жыл бұрын
i'm here after twosetviolin ranked mahler 5 s tier and i can now confidently say: they are right! i'd never consciously listened to it before, but it really is just an incredibly big, epic and truly satisfying piece, this performance was especially enjoyable to listen to i can only imagine how much fun it must have been to play this with such a great big orchestra
@999a0s3 жыл бұрын
i performed this piece on tour with an orchestra. during our final performance, i remember tearing up during the adagietto, and i looked around - almost all of the first violins were crying. then i realized everyone was crying. our conductor, impassive, had tears running down her face.
@karenglenn23292 жыл бұрын
Twosetviolin is my latest love. I am so drawn into this performance. Can l say l am numbed by this master piece
@marshm3llow4672 жыл бұрын
What a coincidence to find not only another TwoSetter but another trekkie and spirk shipper! That's so cool. Great piece, yeah!
@hilalaslan8972 жыл бұрын
#twosetgang 💪
@yanaikuchuk97142 жыл бұрын
I am here because of Eddy and Brett too!
@hornkix11 жыл бұрын
I think Mahler love the french horn very much !!!
@magustef8710Ай бұрын
Mir scheint als hätte Abbado so etwas wie eine Art Liebesverhältnis zu Mahlers Werken.Unsterblich - wunderschön-umgesetzt.
@giorgio19489 жыл бұрын
Mahler, Abbado, Lucerne Orchestra. Di più non è possibile. Umanamente.
@mentariorudy9 жыл бұрын
+giorgio1948 .-De acuerdo en todo Giorgio....pero algunas veces, el Maestro, se combierte en extraterrestre.
@GilraenSwan7 жыл бұрын
umanamente, una sottigliezza che Mahler ci ha confessato.
@guidodeclercq70224 жыл бұрын
@@GilraenSwan Niet akkoord
@guidodeclercq70224 жыл бұрын
Bernard Haitink
@siavashshaghighi26558 ай бұрын
This is really the first time I am listening to Mahler music! In the past I only heard the symphonies but this time I got hooked. I listened to the maestro
@billsullivan39209 жыл бұрын
A great video of the the Lucerne Festival Orchestra 2004 hand picked by Abbado. Some critics called these concerts as some of the best orchestral playing ever recorded. With very good speakers this video is very special. Given the fact that Abbado has passed, this shows him before his health problems. All the Abbado Lucerne concerts show that he wanted to make music with only special people. Some special musicians show up in all his festival concerts. Abbado was a great humanitarian.
@ronaldledbetter13052 ай бұрын
What a creation is man. Music goes back before the time of Noah. Notation later development. Compose those notes. Gifted talented musicians make it sound right. Fits in my ear. Praise the Lord!
@RIBALALTIST8 жыл бұрын
13:36 Stürmisch bewegt, mit größter Vehemenz 28:20 Scherzo - Kräftig , nicht zu schnell 45:10 Adagietto
@JohnStopman7 жыл бұрын
Thank you *:-)*
@vnosthas6 жыл бұрын
MolaebFestival i
@dmitrishostakovich46565 жыл бұрын
5th movement 53:51
@divisix0245 жыл бұрын
Hey Harry- I mean , Shosty!
@karthussakamotoАй бұрын
As an aspiring musician and performer, this is the only orchestral performance that has ever made me shed tears. I have never heard so much collective effort and passion at once, it would be beyond a miracle to ever hear something like this in the audience in a lifetime. Even through the medium of a screen replaying the audio from a recording, you can still feel it. The composer's thoughts and feelings, the conductor's will to portray the piece, the performers' passion that transcends whether or not you're in their presence. It's all there, and you don't even have to look for it. Just beautiful. I'd be grateful to convey even a mocrum of this through my writing and playing even once to other souls. Thank you for this ultimate inspiration of a gift.
@enryclaptone16688 жыл бұрын
Grandissima opera... grandissimo Maestro e... grandissima Orchestra! Un regalo. Grazie a tutti!
@denise21694 жыл бұрын
Every time I listen to this performance, I am overwhelmed by the tenderness and beauty of this interpretation of the Adagietto. Thank you to the orchestra and to Abbado for this gift!
@paulina32014 ай бұрын
I would like to express my deep gratitude to all the musicians of the orchestra and the conductor for this phenomenal interpretation of Mahler's symphony. It's a lot of work. If it wasn't for the work of the performers, we would never have had the opportunity to hear this! What a blessing that performers put their soul, passion and hard work into working with masterpieces. P. S. Mahler is a genius ❤
@notaire25 жыл бұрын
Lebhafte und wunderschöne Aufführung dieser großartigen Sinfonie mit gut harmonisierten und perfekt balancierten Töne aller Instrumente. Der vierte Satz klingt fast himmlisch. Der unvergleichliche Maestro dirigiert das ausgezeichnete Orchester im inspirierenden Tempo mit völlig effektiver Dynamik. Einfach wunderbar!
@gianseb11 жыл бұрын
Now you are with your beloved Gustav Mahler, for ever. Thanks Maestro!
@luciawu10294 жыл бұрын
I am here from TwoSet
@costinaarama13584 жыл бұрын
same here
@arhamidrish58244 жыл бұрын
Hehe boi
@cuddlingteddybears4 жыл бұрын
I actually have to watch this and do a concert report on it for a college class, but I also love TwoSet lol
@jacoblittle14444 жыл бұрын
same
@neil71374 жыл бұрын
Why? Is this video referenced in one of their videos?
@jdeeside9 жыл бұрын
The sheer joy this performance gives is almost overwhelming. It is a stunning performance by an group that play as one and clearly enjoy being together.
@bernardverner47435 жыл бұрын
I have never listened to play " the adagietto " in so emotional, so sensitive a way! It is there an absolute wonder which it will be extremely difficult to surpass! Violins at the top of the workmanship of the bow... Exceptional!
@dst02127 ай бұрын
Ich liebe diese Musik von Mahler
@thorstentopp38245 жыл бұрын
Fantastic performance. I love Abbado! The orchestra is really great.
@sim7736 жыл бұрын
Abbado is the best of Mahler interpreters so far. No one is able to be so faithful to the score and make it so intense, alive and true at each bar. We all keep learning from him and enjoying his creations. We miss you Maestro....but you are still with us.
@francescopomini6334 Жыл бұрын
I played this Symphony in 1982 with maestro Abbado many times, English Horn by ECYO... Unforgettable, specially when we performed in GoldenerSaal Wien! But listen please also to the version of Bernstein! Difficult to say better... or worst...
@PanProductionsliveit4 жыл бұрын
I mean, my god! This is exquisite! I'm listening to the 5th from other maestros which I really admire at the same time, but god, there is no comparison. The sound quality, the brass levels, the percussion, EVERY instrument's definition, the ridiculous amount of connection between the whole orchestra and the maestro, the volume control note to note, the expression, everything breaths and expresses freely throughout the whole piece. And when it comes to the second part and on, well , words just fail me. I rarely write comments on KZbin, but I felt the need to express my thanks and my most sincere congratulations to everyone who made this utterly amazing performance happen. This performance will educate and inspire more and more people in the years to come.
@Crew73403 жыл бұрын
I strongly agree, the musicians here are truly extraordinary.
@bma1955alimarber2 жыл бұрын
Yes you are right
@scottmiller64952 жыл бұрын
Top of the line all the way Superb !!!!!
@phillipbaritone38432 жыл бұрын
Claudio was spectacular, I really wish I had the opportunity to have listened to him live in the flesh. RIP maestro. His style was one of a kind, and the tone he produced was so lush and powerful
@zoranfriganovic4686 ай бұрын
Čista Ljubav, strast, nada Alma u njegovom srcu... Grande Maestro Gustav...!
@Jmay690111 жыл бұрын
What a conversation is now going between Abbado and Mahler! Gustav and Claudio together at last! VIVA ABBADO!
@galinakrivulin67673 жыл бұрын
Stunning performance, fascination and love of Claudio Abbado conducting the orchestra. Watching on tv. Follow everyone’s faces, they are under the spell of magic coming out of the Great Conductor. Total perfection!
@915harry11 жыл бұрын
R.I.P. maestro Abbado. This is one of the best versions of this symphony!!!!
@rosernabona9364 Жыл бұрын
I very much like Gustau Mahler , Symphony , five , Lucerne Festival Orchestra and Claudio Abbado Thank you very much
@VasDavid5773 жыл бұрын
5:13. I've never seen a wooden flute playing Mahler in a orchestra. It makes the sound so gorgeous
@ProgettoMemoria Жыл бұрын
The attention to details, phrasing, counterpoint, tempi, colors, structure and story telling is unparallel. Together with this world stars orchestra he has elevated Mahler to the highest level possible.
@Manu_0077 ай бұрын
2024, anyone here?
@pyrosanguineous7 ай бұрын
Right here!
@ibish95137 ай бұрын
Until the end of days.
@francescocardamone33937 ай бұрын
Bawngiorno
@mihaelaserea60357 ай бұрын
Yes, me! Just listening.
@kittyonoprich77047 ай бұрын
🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
@pricla7773 жыл бұрын
The Adagietto is so incredibly beautiful! It gives me goosebumps.
@jeanfourton53514 жыл бұрын
Une écriture toujours inattendue, imprévisible, servie par une interprétation géniale pas à pas attentive et complice...
@QA-ut7dd4 жыл бұрын
I could just listen to that second brass chord at 8:23 over and over and over again wow!
@theingabo2123 жыл бұрын
Not enough words to describe this Epic performance!
@stephenmessick8655 жыл бұрын
Remarkable! I have edited my comment concerning audio problems, as I have listened to the piece again and found none. Must have been my laptop. What a performance by dear Abbado and his Lucerne charges.
@garnettlivingston37392 жыл бұрын
This performance is astounding! The Maestro told the story from start to finish allowing these fine musicians to do what they do best.
@bordaz15 жыл бұрын
This is the finest recording of this piece i've yet heard, and I grew up steeped in the tradition of Leonard Bernstein, Georg Solti, and Bruno Walter. I recommend anyone that loves this seek out the Documentary film covering Abbado's music directorship of this festival orchestra (EuroArts). Why? It will be extremely important to understand how the Maestro recruited players to make an ensemble that sounds like this. All i'll say is, I think we have been teaching orchestra backwards for a very long time
@maryyueil8 жыл бұрын
this #5 Mahler is my favorite, I love the horn playing from the very beginning, the ultimate movement is the Adagietto, the most beautiful movement, one can listen to it again and again , played strictly by strings instruments and harp so hauntingly beautiful and almost perfect.
@nancylee806115 күн бұрын
What a glorious tour de force. Claudio Abbado's Mahler ♥♥♥♥💔♥♥💔♥♥
@Kegeljan6 жыл бұрын
Sûrement l'une des plus grandes versions de la 5ème de Mahler, en public, image et son, sont exeptionnels ! Le dispositif ochestral est à la mesure de l'ampleur de la symphonie et un assez grand nombre de membres du philharmonique de Berlin sont présents sur scène. Un monument, mais aussi un document qui nous rappelle la science de Claudio Abbado pour la direction d'orchestre ! Dans la salle, son ami de toujours, Maurizio Paulini, le pianiste, son complice ! Un sommet !
@ajpdeschenes6 жыл бұрын
Malheureusement cette interprétation est uniquement disponible sur DVD. J'ai le disque de la 2e avec l'Orchestre du Festival de Lucerne, et c'est un pur bijou pour audiophile. Comme la 5e n'est pas sur disque, je cherche une alternative. Croyez-vous que celle d'Abbado avec le Philarmonique de Berlin approche cette performance? www.amazon.ca/Mahler-Symphonies-No-1-9-11/dp/B00JJ9DYMY/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1538678924&sr=1-1&keywords=abbado+mahler Dans ce boitier, il y a justement la deuxième avec Lucerne, toutes les autres sont avec le Philarmonique de Berlin.
@elfridatulian22786 жыл бұрын
En un todo de acuerdo Philippe, sólo que lo entiendo pero me cuesta mucho escribirlo!.