Mainstream Media - Douglas Murray Closing Statement

Public trust in mainstream media is at an all-time low. Critics point to coverage of COVID-19, the 2020 election, and the Ottawa trucker protest as proof that legacy outlets like the New York Times, The Globe and Mail and CNN can no longer be relied upon to provide unbiased reporting. Activist journalists are using pen and paper to push political agendas while their bosses lean into the profitability of polarization. Mainstream media’s defenders argue that their institutions offer an invaluable public service that alternative outlets are either incapable or uninterested in providing: careful fact-based reporting on important issues and holding the powerful to account. In a brave new world of “fake news” and “drive by” journalism, traditional news organizations are essential to democracy and a bulwark against corruption, misinformation and the private interests of the powerful.
Arguing for motion was the associate editor of The Spectator magazine, Fox News contributor, and bestselling author of The Madness of Crowds, Douglas Murray. He was joined on stage by Substack publishing sensation, former Rolling Stone contributing editor, and investigative journalist, Matt Taibbi
Arguing against the resolution was the internationally acclaimed author, podcaster and veteran New Yorker staff writer, Malcolm Gladwell. His debate partner was Michelle Goldberg, New York Times columnist, MSNBC contributor, former American Prospect senior correspondent and senior writer for The Nation.
The audience voted on this resolution prior to hearing the debate. 48% voted in favour of the resolution, while 52% voted against the resolution.
At the end of the debate, another poll was conducted. 67% voted in favour of the motion, while 33% voted against it, representing a 39% vote gain for the PRO side.
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[@andrewmaher8409]

Malcolm’s behaviour was super disappointing. Certainly destroyed any illusions I held about him. The irony is his behaviour and tactics are almost a perfect caricature of the exact reasons we shouldn’t trust the main stream media.

[@TommyGlint]

Apparently he is aware that he did poorly, and in some podcast did reflect a bit on his own performance. He said he should have been more ready and prepared for Douglas’ razor sharp “Oxford-debate trained” abilities and wit. Sadly for him, as Douglas has responded, he is not “trained” in some Oxford debating club. He just listened and learned - even from people he disagreed with. Even so, whatever abilities Douglas has, Gladwell’s own performance is inexcusable. Dishonest, malicious, amateurish. My opinion of him has sunk from indifferent to very low.

[@MrFelixify]

@@TommyGlint Even that reflection is way off. It has nothing to do with "oxford debate trained" abilities, and even if it was, it's not like Malcom isnt privileged and gone to the bst schools. The difference was, He didn't listen to a single word the other side said, and was weirdly stuck in a loop of bringing up that the other guy mentioned Walter cronkite and that that somehow was proof of his white supremacy and racism. It was so fucking bizarre to watch. How is he a journalist?

[@jimeaton4213]

Tommy and Andrew, you nailed it! Great comments!

[@d3w3yd3c1m4l]

@@TommyGlint Yea he made excuses and used that introspection time to come up with more ad hominems. That tells you how outclassed he was.

[@niftyjim]

…Never heard of Douglas a year and a half ago… But he has swiftly become one of my favorite public intellectuals…

[@Mr.Unacceptable]

Then don't miss his back catalogue of brilliant content and books. You won't regret the searching.

[@FourthExile]

He's hands down the best debater I've come across. His books are superb as well.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

He is a pro war NeoCon unfortunately. We need the Right to be pro peace and reject Imperialism

[@metaljacket8128]

Same

[@alanchapman6886]

Agreed.

[@Effrit_Haldane]

Well Malc. The amount of times Douglas corrected him throughout this debate was nuts. Douglas, keep on fighting the good fight.

[@MrRocksW]

Anyone have the link to the full debate?

[@_nuance]

No, it's because Malc kept calling him Doug.

[@Effrit_Haldane]

@@_nuance If you listen carefully in the debate you can hear Douglas repeatedly quietly attempt to correct Malc, who seemed to repeatedly ignore it.

[@patrykpalarczyk3979]

@@MrRocksW here you go. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKfEl2qOhLR5fsU

[@thelongstory6395]

@@Effrit_Haldane Not even quietly, it was loud enough to be picked up on the microphone for the entire public to hear.

[@mcintma2]

Douglas Murray is simply amazing.

[@robertpirsig5011]

Easy to look good against that opposition.

[@Mr.Unacceptable]

Why doesn't this video have at least 8 billion thumbs up?

[@MsFreshadenu]

It was only posted 4 hours before you commented

[@loubella32]

Douglas .... A master debater. "Having different opinions is so 20th century... having different facts....is lethal"....mic drop. Note to self, never, EVER debate Douglas Murray....he will destroy you with....facts ✌🏼

[@barryswinton3224]

Who asked???

[@ws768]

@@barryswinton3224 Who asked what, Barry?

[@NickCookCreates]

Master debater lol

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

Never try to sass a gay conservative. That's bringing a knife to a howitzer fight.

[@samstits8982]

Douglas was so smart in this. He saw Malc’s ego and knew to go after his book and humiliate him.

[@peterd788]

It was like Einstein arguing with a puppy who think it's clever. I can't imagine how embarrassed "Malc" was after.

[@MsFreshadenu]

Malcolm was so disappointing and dishonest in this debate. I'm so glad that Matt and Douglas were picked for this. Tho it would have been interesting to watch Malcolm debate someone he couldn't just smear as a racist and actually have to engage. Its wild to watch someone expose themselves as racist as they're making assumptions about someone and condescending to them because of the color of their skin. Outliers was written by this guy?

[@Hollander113]

I know somebody that is ecstatic about Malcolm and she brings him up all the time. I had her read "the madness of crowds" and she kept saying how it was just like Malcolm's books so when I saw this debate I was excited to finally see him. I am so disappointed... He was arrogant, dishonest, denigrating, and arguing in bad faith. Maybe he was having a bad day, but I did not like what I saw at all...

[@toddbeamer6131]

Full marks to Douglas for telling the truth.

[@fullminsterqwerty]

The closing statement that put the nail in the coffin. Douglas is such a beast.

[@1Evasen]

Douglas Murray hit the nail on the head. 💯 💐👑"The job of a journalist is to tell people facts that they don't want to hear..." - George Orwell

[@leonharrison800]

Murray defends fake news. Time he was rejected by LGBT globally. Nothing but a Bigot and a hater.

[@0MoTheG]

But he was wrong about what journalist do today. If they were reporting the facts that they want us to hear or those that we do want to hear we would be in less deep trouble. We are lucky if we are given the facts at all. Often it is straight out opinions all the way.

[@leonharrison800]

@@0MoTheG When d oes Murray care about facts? Another racist,sexist,lgbt hating climate change deniar. That says it all.

[@middleclassthrash]

Omg. What a verbal smackdown.

[@mariaelenaaguilar8340]

Douglas Murray’s books are brilliantly written truths.

[@natehatf]

How is Malc’ even popular/famous? Guy is an absolute lightweight

[@car807]

Douglas Murray did a great job.

[@maxbean8781]

Douglas Murray is a hell of a debater and orator. He was on rare form here

[@willboudreau1187]

Murray was not on rare form here. HE IS ALWAYS THIS DEVASTATING TO HIS OPPONENTS - EVERY TIME HE SPEAKS. Wake up.

[@maxbean8781]

@@willboudreau1187 alright dick munch chill out. From your rant l think we re in agreement about DM s skills so I’m not sure what the wake up was about. Rare doesn’t actually mean rare in this sense.

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

He's a master debator.

[@d3w3yd3c1m4l]

This is his everyday form actually.

[@maxbean8781]

@@d3w3yd3c1m4l Please educate yourself and look up the definition of rare form. It doesn't mean rare in the sense that you seem to think it does.

[@westnewwest4325]

I turned away from the mainstream media in 1998. Even then it took a half a braincell to see that it was not 'news', but instead it was 'here is what you should think'. Here in Canada I made a little experiment during the truckers protest in Ottawa.... by watching uncommented livestreams made by the people there, and also watching the media's coverage. It was as if I was watching two completely separate events....what I saw, and what the mainstream media told me what they saw...... it was a total joke.

[@shapesrot]

Douglas been a UK legend for years

[@broadkast477]

Murray nails it here.

[@omezey]

Douglas Murray has a recall that is almost eidetic, enabling him put his opponents on the defense without the use of any cheap tricks. His contrarian nature coupled with the ability to patiently and thoroughly address every point and counterpoint, every snide slight or piece of intellectual dishonesty, every violation of the rules of debate, sets him apart in a way the reminds me of Hitchens.

[@NOlsen8]

Well done, Mr. Murray. Brilliant summation, and thoroughly enjoyed watching you put the sanctimonious, insufferable "Malc" in his place. Well done.

[@alanh1329]

Douglas Murray just said what everyone is thinking now.

[@landerwyoming9720]

Bravo Douglas Murray, well said. I had held Malcom Gladwell in high regard however, he had revealed a level of contempt that was shocking. The audience sensed the same as well, and the lopsided debate score should give Malcom Gladwell serious pause. Thank you Munk Debates, keep up the great work!

[@espressoaddict69]

Hey ! , what a voice of reason in the swamp of bad voices 🎉

[@mfeller03]

This is the most important 3 minutes on KZbin right now. If you haven't shared this with your friends and family (at least to those who care to think about this topic), then I implore you to do so.

[@jazlally4144]

Need more hero's like Douglas

[@BenFleury]

Arise Sir Douglas Murray!

[@sport8133]

I had little respect for Gladwell before, and even less now.

[@FlugHerr]

Well said Mr. Murray.

[@garysmith9823]

Truth.

[@timjohnson8820]

I don't know who this guy is but he totally demolished Gladwell. Bravo sir

[@willboudreau1187]

Thumbs down to idiotic commenters who don't know who Murray is.

[@majbrittpauladottir1519]

Fantastic! How does he find his words to organise his stream of thoughts in such an elegant and strikingly accurate way? And hits the nail every time!!

[@miaschoolbillsfinanceallre1655]

I love Douglas. Absolute genius.

[@philltaylor8442]

I agree with your statement Douglas 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👍.

[@ladyellensings3666]

So proud of Douglas xxx

[@pjtaberner]

Brilliant……. this guy is a national treasure

[@kellydraper3433]

Douglas Murray you’re an incredible intelligent human being. We are quite ecstatic having you as a journalist and Author of grade books thank you for your educating these so-called stupid journalist!

[@joevil6259]

Beautiful speech. Problem as he mentioned is that the MSM give their audience what they want to hear and I so wish that I can convince friends and family of that.

[@happyhaf130]

What a brilliant guy. Malc has embarrassed himself. Just unsubscribed from Malc’s podcast.

[@happyhaf130]

BRILLIANT. common Douglas W.

[@Nick_fb]

Inspiring and true. Thank you Douglas!

[@laurapearson3370]

Gladwell is so out of his depth it's hilarious

[@peterd788]

It was shocking how outmatched he was in this. He tried every adolescent and cheap trick in the book and Murray just kept putting him in his place.

[@pacoshuman7642]

Simply brilliant...because this is so honest!

[@NickCookCreates]

Never heard of this guy until now. He's as sharp as a razor blade.

[@willboudreau1187]

Thumbs down to idiotic commenters who have never heard of Murray. Get on a better game mister.

[@MrFelixify]

Malcom was so smug and bizarre.

[@mzzeker7358]

Absolutely brilliant. Gladwell had a difficult time in this debates, as most do when they face Douglas Murray.

[@vvwalker7261]

Douglas Murray is awesome!

[@keepingtheheart81]

Douglas, is brilliant as always. And right!

[@spafon7799]

Murray shows that intelligence and humor tend to go together. The performance of the establishment advocates in this debate was pathetic.

[@goodtimes1890]

the amazing Douglas Murray!

[@mustang607]

Orwell wrote books on how such societies can go to hell.

[@peachbottom2010]

rumor has it Malc had to see a mental health counselor after this

[@wild3404]

Yes! Lethal to have different facts.

[@thembelandesi4741]

Douglas is brilliant.

[@Shadowjedi007]

Douglas is brilliant, a modern day gentlemen. Well spoken, well dressed, articulate and intelligent, but most of all honest.

[@TheGoodfella2012]

The debate where Malcom Gladwell lost all credibility and took a hot dump on his career

[@nickj.7876]

I love Douglas!💪🏻

[@boxingjerapah]

If it had been boxing, they would have stopped it. Well played, Douglas.

[@TheTibbott]

When Douglas said "being GLIB" about media stories, oh, what a look he gave to Malcolm.......

[@timcarr6401]

But speaking the truth is indeed a radical act. Simply revolutionary.

[@tammyhagger1460]

Douglas speaks up for honesty and truth and has the balls and guts to do .....keep standing strong your a light in the midst of elite corruption

[@samsim4648]

"Well, Malc". That's golden.

[@Chertoff88]

Malcolm Gladwell doesn't deserve to be called a journalist or intellectual

[@mixpix]

Well said!

[@stormgrey1773]

Shoutout to Morpheus junior in the background, confirming that yes, we are indeed in the Matrix.

[@rep3e4]

So well said

[@youareright5431]

Sooo right......

[@nickswettenham1877]

Legend!

[@bravo2zeroCAN]

Mr. Murray FTW…in a very big way

[@robertjenkins4886]

Well said

[@eclipsewrecker]

It’s simple. Do not trust nor distrust anyone you do not need to make a decision on.

[@natalievu4399]

The problem is, that these MSM journalists think they know better what the public is able to digest & what not. Instead of mind-reading & trying to have a political outcome or follow their ideological narrative, they should just let the truth speak for itself. That used to be a thing.

[@ianholl9100]

Douglas is straight 🔥

[@blowfish1702]

"Malc" played some dirty games here, strawmanning, suggestions of racism where there were none etc, yet Douglas had him beat at each.

[@johnbatson8779]

Gladwell's book sales just dropped precipitously since this debate

[@Lindamu1]

Douglas Murray is a Brillant Mind, Like Jordan Peterson, I wish I could say the same our canadian governance !

[@Dutch2676]

Even more true today . If ever there was a true foreboding this was one… Well done Douglas and Matt.

[@ShailynLMT]

🎤 drop! Well..... Malc!

[@maryclark1049]

Yaaaaaaassss👍🏻💯

[@geneba712]

Douglas Murray: "Having different opinions is so 20th Century, this century we have different facts." This is big! For who lives in a bubble, opinions become facts, own illusion becomes an alternative reality, independent of truth, nature or common sense. That's why dialog is hard, almost impossible. Opinions can be changed, but giving up to a reality nourished from delusion is unbearable, a sort of suicide.

[@josephdirvin401]

Superb

[@springa42]

Imagine having to be on the others side of that argument and say that the MSM is truthful…

[@PaulStringini]

If one does not listen to others one disagrees with, one ends up like Gladwell, embarrassingly relying on informal fallacies, instead of arguments. People who listen are more persuasive in a debate. The audience will also be listening. Perhaps, closely.

[@marthan1813]

Well said!

[@user-ik5on5hl4o]

Watching this debate reminds me of a cat playing with a wounded mouse...

[@warrennicholsony.fernando4513]

Glad Douglas and Matt won

[@kateberger613]

Would have liked to have access to the entire debate.

[@sardonicnihilist5955]

It's on KZbin if you look for it

[@davidhunt313]

*_Does the Truth derive from Authority or_* *_Does Authority derive from the Truth?_*

[@Analfracture]

Malc’s not…well glad

[@ABC-yt1nq]

Nor is he well

[@izzykhach]

Malc is the poster child for why regular people hate coastal elites.

[@anonyme-mn9iw]

Bravo. I am flabergasted, the right way. You should listen to the wonderfull historian Annie Lacroix-Riz on elmer idées. If you belong to the high sociaty you know french. Orherwise to can use an online translater to do so. I am french. I was not teached english or german at home but worked hard alone to handle both languages. Maybe you did so. After more than 60 years I finally get to know the reality of, let us say, the past 120 last years.

[@mrsteve170]

#voteDouglasMurray

[@rentedmule169]

This debate in its entirety was completely one sided. When Gladwell had no rebuttal he simply resorted to calling everybody racist. And Goldberg was such a joke that Doug doesnt even refer to her here. She clearly thought this was a debate about Trump and couldnt finish a sentence without mentioning him.

[@jeffsadie9496]

George Carlin once said sarcastically "If honesty was introduced into American politics, the whole system would grind to a halt." Seems like it's become the same story in media and news coverage. Nobody talks facts anymore. We have too many analysts. I don't want a news broadcaster to analyze what I heard someone say. I want facts and honesty. There is only 1 set of facts, no matter whose side you're on or what you believe.

[@Alan.Endicott]

It's been 6 months. Anyone know if Malc's wounds have healed?

[@JConabike]

The main stream media works perfect. That’s why this message falls flat.

[@satori-in-life]

Who do you think it "works" for exactly?

[@user-ek6ou3il1w]

The forces governing the world as a soon to be global data collection slave state.@@satori-in-life

[@sarahdavis9770]

Well done, Doogie.

[@curiaregis9479]

The fact that Munk Debates won't just post the video of the whole debate pisses me off. Why not? Why chop it into little bits and not even make the whole thing available? Not even put the clips in proper order? It's ridiculous. I suppose the "wrong" people won the debate and so Munk would prefer it isn't seen in it's entirety.

[@ABC-yt1nq]

It's online in its entirely.

[@curiaregis9479]

@@ABC-yt1nq You're the second person to point this out. Seems the other person deleted their comment when I asked what I'm about to ask you: WHERE IS IT? It used to be here on JTube, but not any more, as my original comment said.

[@BenRobinson1974]

Douglas Murray is mainstream media

[@jxk7712]

Why does it take Murray; because it’s too late. American men, remember the torries

[@031767sc]

malc embarrassed himself here