MAJOR Class Revamps! We Have A Lot To Talk About

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This week, we got bombarded with release dates, Season 4 is off to a stronger start than we imagined - anecdotally, at least - and we have a wave of finds and discoveries from Alpha to work through.

[@no-budhee6657]

Mythic 0 is one of the best changes they’ve made in a long time. It has been so fun doing straight dungeon content without it being a completely different game mode to get some decent gear.

[@sagerobot]

I want m0 hard mode as well. Something that drops hero track gear and is as hard as a +10 but with no timer or affixes. Maybe make it as hard as a +15 to compensate for no affixes. Like with the mega dungeon but with the other ones as well.

[@dreampainter2011]

M Zero is easy compared to +2… omg i hate these changes so much.

[@beny988]

@@dreampainter2011 Deal with it!

[@FREdmaN1o7]

​@@sagerobotDawn of the infinite has that exactly

[@hvdiv17]

M+ is the worst thing blizzard could have ever added to wow i actively tell everyone i can not to play retail wows pve.

[@Alcathr]

I won't call it MOP Remix, it's Pandamonium.

[@CrystalPrelude]

Out. Out right now.

[@baalslayer03]

they already call it Pandamonium

[@ReivecS]

@@baalslayer03 No.... they DID call it Pandamonium.

[@baalslayer03]

@@ReivecS oh shit I didn’t know they changed it

[@derkaman123123]

Panda Express

[@bryangirod9173]

I blinked once during the video...did I miss the part about class changes?

[@geeksy2278]

7:58

[@thestaubful]

Gonna say I wasexpecting more on the class changes. :(

[@GothicPrincessAlice]

World tour M0 has been so fun, doing it super undergeared with some friends has been a riot and we feel like it'll feel even better as we progress our alts and just knock these out each week for fun!

[@tangerino3199]

So I am definitely what Holly Longdale would call a dedicated "midcore" player. I try to pug raids as far as I can go during a season (usually mid-heroic bosses) but I have always hated M+ because of the timer gogogo aspect. It is absolutely no exaggeration to say that the new Mythic 0 changes have literally DOUBLED the amount of instanced content I can do in a season. It's amazing. And what's insane is that by the time War Within comes out with delves it'll be triple.

[@fwam2k7]

Holly really has been good for the game so far. I really like her drive to make the game better for everyone.

[@Thrall966]

But can’t you only do m0 once a week then your loot locked ? However a +2 m+ is I finite replayability

[@sagerobot]

@@Thrall966 Thats 8 dungeons man. And if you have any alts that you want to run. Well there is another 8. For a casual player thats actually a lot. A dungeon or two a night is what a lot of people have time for.

[@Thrall966]

@@sagerobot true

[@fwam2k7]

@@Thrall966 plus, you’ve got a chance of getting loot off every boss in M0, where as M+ you’ve basically got one chance per dungeon

[@Jokerwolf666]

Classes have been largely unchanged since legion. 4th specs need to happen, balance be damned.

[@CosmicCleric]

I so want them to bring back the pre-Legion discipline priest spec. Rename the current discipline spec as the Smiter spec, and have the bubble/healing spec be brought back as the fourth spec, Discipline. Please Blizzard.

[@Valvad0ss]

Lmao you are tripping

[@yuuriuu]

shadow priest is shaking and crying

[@sylvarogre5469]

where were the major class revamps?

[@deanfromhungary]

Mythic zero is a pretty good challenge. Im a 475 prot warr. I think i could do +2, +3 just fine, but I love the current world tour

[@livamyyo]

With 475 you can push +6 ez bro

[@ChinnuWoW]

What challenge?

[@deanfromhungary]

@@ChinnuWoW What what challenge?

[@TheGraveyarder]

​@@ChinnuWoW turn off your addons my bro 😂

[@Adym18]

Man these elitists in the comments are sad.

[@MacKayVer40k]

Finally got the tusks to drop for me the old fashioned way the other month. Will be maining warrior in war within now, and I can honestly say? I hope they add those bones. It’s a great transmog and 0.3% drop rate is just dumb.

[@ClutchHer0]

I’d complain about the title but it made me click and I DID enjoy the video. I’m at a crossroads

[@Crowald]

My brain fried when I heard Bell mention Dan Olson/Folding Ideas. It's like watching two timelines, two parallel worlds intersect for a brief moment.

[@ZestyGuides]

Looking forward to seeing these new updates

[@DudeGuy007]

MOP was the best expansion. The PvP community gonna stay there after MoP Classic and require an overhaul of retail reverting to the old UI and talents

[@TaliesinMyrddin]

Just wish the raids were easier to get into. I miss Legion, where I found it easy to not only get into normal groups, but be able to complete them - and even the odd heroic. Contrast with 15 minutes of applications and denials for this season. I hate the FOMO aspect. As for Mythics.. I tried to pug an M0 Neltharus and the group fell apart on the second boss, so that was great for my group anxiety.

[@Junebug89]

Second boss in Neltharus seems like a group killer for sure. I've run that, halls of infusion and ruby life pools. The neltharus boss seems like the easiest one to get stuck on.

[@TaliesinMyrddin]

@@Junebug89 Group only bothered to try twice... there was no timer and it made it sound like a chill group, but obviously not

[@jparker923]

The skill issue gap is getting wider as gamers get better and want harder content. I stand by not everything should be accessible to everyone, especially if one doesn't want to put the work in. It's like saying every mount should be 100% drop because we deserve it

[@durk5331]

FINALLY I've been waiting for Darkspear & Draenei Heritage Armor since BfA!!!

[@vinnythewebsurfer]

Personally I’ll try find a way to take MoP remix as slow and steady as possible. It’s not classic MoP but it’ll do.

[@dreadbull5039]

If you prefer classic MoP, that will still be available.

[@januszpawlikowski6627]

Same, i dont want to go all fast, its not my way to play. When i come back from work, "fast" is the last thing j think about, i just want to relax, I love MoP and i know I will love remix too, though

[@jakubpelikan2393]

Its not possible to go slow. If you would played PTR the nyou would know its absolutly insane faceroll across entire mod. Some raid bosses ltieraly just die in few seconds and during leveling you just one shot every mob.

[@AnthonyStatera]

Well Said Man, well said..!

[@Maeccerpott]

I love the m0 change but they could've at least put it on daily lockout so we could do some more in one week

[@kccampbell5435]

For the pre-patch event do we have any idea what the catch up gear might be ilvl wise?

[@autumnleaf2263]

489 I believe.

[@CB38096]

It’s not surprising at all that the M+ completion numbers are up because people wanted to try the “new” difficulty. I do like that we can’t get relevant champion gear from M0 and timewalking raid. I wish they would keep making timewalking raids drop normal gear forever, it’s like a curve ball in the gearing meta

[@AkiRa22084]

Last season of Shadowlands was amazing.

[@ericromero5438]

Razagath really does have great voice acting, I was thinking of last time I fought her

[@phazonacide]

Some fights in this expansion really tend to....drag on.

[@jayjays_shed2158]

Who would have thought when the game is easier and more rewarding people will play it more =D I would like to have a go of Mythic dungeons on level 20 and 30 with no affix or timer just to try what it feels like?

[@faithmacgregor340]

7MAY, if they stick to the 8 week a patch schedule, War Within will launch Sep 10th. Calling it now :)

[@januszpawlikowski6627]

Fuck, thats a long time? Remember the timeline they put out? It was supposed to be in mid Summer

[@itsdannyhoney]

It’s been very exciting times to be playing WoW since Dragonflight launched and it seems to continue.

[@user-bq7zh4qx4d]

MOP WAS THE BEST EXPANSION EVER. NO ONE WILL EVER CHANGE MY MIND.

[@n.m.h9679]

No hunter updates. Figures.

[@fragdq]

20th birthday of WoW and no blizzcon? thats bad

[@SadlySufferSoftly]

yay!

[@jetztgehtwas]

„Raza ist zur best boss ever!“. Truly a statement from a HC raider😅

[@strofysica]

“Normal or greater difficulty”. Does this imply an imminent higher-than-heroic difficulty?

[@dokimei7260]

Siege of Orgrimmar already has Mythic tho

[@sockmonkey3393]

razsageth was a great boss the only thing that tarnished the fight was the militiple platforms.

[@MrLolguy93]

Since we'll have account bound achievements in the next expansion, will the achievement for being Exalted with all Pandaria factions be achieveable from the Panarai Remix event, and will the achievements from the event go to live servers?

[@WayneIncBatman]

The act of getting those reps is so trivial and takes no time. Whether you get it here or in retail it's quick AF

[@autumnleaf2263]

They are working backwards implenting warband reps. So starting with The War Within, then pretty quickly afterward Dragonflight, then BfA sometime in the future. They said its a priority, but will take awhile. So Pandaria reps are a ways down the line. TLDR; Eventually yes, but not yet.

[@Vixxie_Aerogosa]

All pandaria rep buffs are active. The reputation in general is trivial to acquire. They count

[@PapaVikingCodes]

It’s craic’d

[@GrandMagusDK]

Does MoP remix use Retail classes or MoP class design? If it ususes MoP I may have to actually play this.

[@Robin...222]

Retail

[@samshils4812]

are the pandas ever getting heritage armor?

[@Retro64_]

Regarding the M0 participation, I think this is show people just don't want to deal with the anxiety of a timer and difficulty is less of a concern.

[@Larannis]

I quit WoW back in BFA I came back last week to check out Dragonflight but the thing that pushed me more was MoP remix

[@bobbythefish4836]

I couldn't wait to fight Raz again. It felt good to once again hear that guttural voice yell "DIE MORTALS!" while lightning crashes everywhere.

[@TheDeadb3ar]

You did not mention the MONK DOUBLE JUMP TALENT! Who the hell at blizz made this, I want it so bad, why are fun and cool things suddenly allowed?

[@fwam2k7]

I saw a post the other day where someone said, Ion said activision got in the way of quite a lot of development stuff, Microsoft basically came in and said it’s your IP do what you want. I think the takeover has made a massive difference. They all look happy again and not stressed out.

[@fathelos]

@@fwam2k7 Can you give me source on that please? I wanna read it for myself

[@Libertum]

​@@fwam2k7yeah source would be appreciated

[@fwam2k7]

@@fathelos I’ve no idea how true it is, I just came across it in the wow subreddit. It does make sense when you think about it though.

[@sturten6969]

Mists of pandaria is much more exciting then cata classic, and war warrhin combined

[@donovan3562]

Maybe I am bias here but I have always felt that what level of M+ someone is doing is much more to do with where they are on the gear treadmill

[@DreifachZwei]

Will Lore Master achievement progress be tracked for Pandaria when running through the new MoP stuff?

[@Stekcubom]

yep

[@Vixxie_Aerogosa]

What do you think "experiencing all of pandaria" means? Except for what they explicitly said wont be in it, everything is in it.

[@Limp_Bizkiteer]

Man, the Troll heritage armor looks so bad

[@OldCrankyBeard]

Keep up the good work as always! Love the content!

[@markburton5292]

I do like the current M0, wish it was changed to reset in a day and not a week. Still wish the higher keys also had the timer removed. i think the timer puts pressure on groups and makes it less fun. I know not every one agrees with that but i know a lot of people that hate the timer and that is why they are not doing m+.

[@Mattmt56]

I still don't know what MoP remix is, but I really hated that expansion, almost as much as I hate Cata. War Within better be a big step up for the overall game.

[@TheCommentFactory]

Blizzcon would also be the weekend before Election Day so it does make sense for them not to hold it this year.

[@TarisRedwing]

I wish they would give us Warbound gear early so i can start running old raids again for transmog gear I normally just vender off.

[@frenchbassguy]

Any gear in your bag and bank will be converted in the prepatch. I have several alts with dozens of pieces waiting for that day!

[@86Corvus]

People who go " OH NO I BRICKED A KEY!" should get their head checked...

[@brandonlinley]

Do people actually have 65 characters!? I have one of each class on horde and alliance and really of them I only regularity play one… am I just a filthy casual? 🙈

[@sturten6969]

Yes I've Max toons on my main account

[@OhNoTheFace]

I mean only WoW is doing anything right now. So Blizzcon would be ONE game. Sucks though. Metzen at last year's thing was what got a lot of people jazzed again.

[@talscorner3696]

I will admit, I was hoping in a Manscaped ad to be what we'd surprise Xalatath with XD

[@MrThundaro]

So.. MS killed Blizzcon

[@brelshar4968]

The real achievement would be getting your recording equipment to actually work during your live streams ;)

[@60kgofpower68]

too soon breh, too soon

[@antoniopascotto4139]

oh the jealousy.... bell is the goat

[@Valvad0ss]

@@antoniopascotto4139 oh the 🍆 riding…

[@luayma8266]

I don’t think difficulty of mythic is true. 6+ seems like old 22+

[@thisone6uy]

Does completing M0 add pts to your Mythic score?

[@no-budhee6657]

No

[@luccavalentinobiondi6213]

Dude, I love your videos but you really need to stop the clickbait

[@murmurrrr]

Why? It works and its a business

[@Scott_72]

I agree - didn't see any MAJOR CLASS REVAMPS at all in this video.

[@chaoticmuffin1538]

He literally made an entire video about why they make the titles that way.. with statistics. Go watch it.

[@TauEnjoyer]

@@Scott_72there is though, they just went over it very fast

[@luxvult5202]

The man is farming our views to get money from sponsors.

[@Racerguardguy]

You don't need a timer to define your success. I wish they would remove the timer from keys.

[@Junebug89]

The reason there is a timer is so that dps matters. You can cheese it pretty hard if you're patient otherwise. That being said, maybe they would be well served by finding another way around these issues.

[@Racerguardguy]

@@Junebug89 It leads to more toxic behavior. Knowing the cheese strats...skips. Make the timer an affix but focus more on completion and less about the race.

[@Coheed420]

all these reworks for classes but nothing for warrior

[@JKane_88]

What about reworking DK's, they are the most desperate for a rework compared to any other class by a long shot.

[@Joey_b322]

Razagaeth is FFXIV fight ong

[@Retro64_]

Great to see, I'd say the majority of the players (and past players) are midcore, most streamers but not all were more hardcore adjacent and they have the biggest soap box, the biggest voice. Which led to a more e-sport focused game, when I for one just want none-irreverent world content to do with others players and for WoW to become an MMORPG again.

[@Spamkromite]

WoW cranking up on offering content to distract. I like they revive old stuff though.

[@AlvinEarthworm]

That had to be the most contrived and hamfisted segway to a sponsorship I have seen in a long time. Show some dignity!

[@zavulon6025]

I have been saying this for years now. The timer and affixs need to go and they need to redesign Mythic Dungeons where it just gets harder for each level of key and we go back to LoS and CC the dangerous mobs that can one shot you. It has gotten out of hand where you can run a normal or heroic dungeons and the tanks pull a quarter of the dungeon. Then blame it on the healers for not healing when we wipe. Almost everyone has got in this mindset that all dungeons need to be a speed run pull as many mobs as possible AoE fest. Just by watching videos and reading comments the community is crying out for a change. Of course the final decision will be Blizzard but I pray they make the right decision.

[@CosmicCleric]

A-F'ing-men!

[@kalasmournrex1470]

They do not need to go, they need to be optional. Some of us like to do high keys, and they would be pointless without timers. From a gear perspective. they are already pointless. Some of us just want a challenge.

[@kalasmournrex1470]

And I can also say, as someone who plays vdh, bdk, and gdruid almost exclusively, I love pulling whole dungeons when I do low stuff, and expect literally 0 heals. I tell healers not to heal me.

[@CosmicCleric]

@@kalasmournrex1470 Sounds like you want your healer to just be a spectator, and not an active player, in the dungeon. Sounds like the single player mode with npc bots for teammates would better suit your play style.

[@zavulon6025]

I love a challenge too. I just feel like the timer needs to go and affixs stay or affixs go and timer stays. They don’t need both. If they decide to keep affixs I feel they need to be a buff or debuff. Blizzard thinks they need to punish us. Why can’t they be good if we do it right and punish us if we do it wrong. For an example: Incorporeal can do actually what it does if we don’t cc it or interrupt it but if we do it should buff us for 50% damage and healing for 20 seconds. Afflicted same thing. If we dispel them. We get 100% haste for 10 seconds. Entangling if we get out of it increases our movement speed by 30% for 8 seconds. Raging has it since a lot of classes don’t have an ability to get rid of enrage. Have it make our major cd abilities comes off cooldown 30% quicker every time someone dispels. Just remove Volcanic, Storming, and Spiteful. Keep Bolstering, Bursting, and Sanguine just as they are. Just some rough idea they can change to whatever.

[@SticksAandstonesBozo]

MOP is hands down my favorite time in wow. That being said I could not possibly care less about any of these fly by night nonsense modes. Fix the game. Make a sequel for gods sake.

[@TheNewOption]

I really...REALLY hope the new Xpac doesn't follow the gameplay loop of Dragonflight to a tee...I'm so damn bored of it, it's the same thing every single patch. Really hop they do something new and fresh,

[@IPlayVideoGamesAndNothingElse]

Yay more mobile game currency grinding and reputation grinding. love doing that over and over again until I’m nauseous every expansion.

[@bosssavage3325]

What else would you be doing? Please to enlighten.

[@frenchbassguy]

Sounds like you don't like MMOs

[@IPlayVideoGamesAndNothingElse]

@@bosssavage3325 maybe I could get mounts, pet, and achievements if they content wasn’t dead with a horrible drop rate that makes gatcha games seem more generous.

[@Darkkfated]

YouTub is such a wild place these days. 15 minute video, cool! Oh wait, 90s intro, 3m sponsor break, 90s patreon scroll at the end... so... 9-ish minutes (only about 60%) of the video is actual content. Yeesh.

[@yellowjoe_]

watching the video, and i think your timings are a bit off

[@jabbiter3575]

11.5 minutes is the video length, not including intro, add read, or patreon scroll. That's 76.5% of the video, and to be honest, I'd consider the intro to be an essential part of the video, which is an extra minute, bringing it to 83% (12.5 minutes). I think that's pretty reasonable.

[@Darkkfated]

@@yellowjoe_ Yeah, fine, a bit, but it's a consistent across Bellular's content. I like the content, generally, but the extensive "non content" bits get tiresome after a while. (Yes, I understand why it's there, it's mostly YouTubs fault, i get all that, I'm lamenting the system that forces creators to have to jump through all these enjoyment-destroying hoops.)

[@yellowjoe_]

@@Darkkfated whilst i do disagree mostly with the original comment, i can 100% get on bored with the dislike of youtubes system right now, its become such a business, the algorithm sucks, and it becomes less and less a friendly place for creativity and good content to thrive with content farms and favourites of the algorithm being promoted

[@frenchbassguy]

It's the same for any video content that wants to make money. Same on TV.

[@JonatanSundkvist]

:D

[@kriscleansthings]

Yeah man Bel is so bad with that shit.

[@matthewkeating-od6rl]

Great vid you didn't mention April 30th catta prepatch.

[@crypt_hound]

Ccaatttaa

[@luxvult5202]

Who cares about cata

[@verdeuno]

Such a sad time that on WoW's 20th anniversary, there will not be a Blizzcon.

[@OLBarbok]

So theys can increase character slots but we aren't getting more? Im a complete altholic I dont have enough slots blizzard. Can you start putting datamining into its own video segment? I hate having stuff spoiled through datamining and it sucks that its so unavoidable

[@JulianaBlewett]

Razageth's voice gets on my nerves. Ruin! Ruuuuuiiinnn!

[@vipcesh]

Love how you never have any criticism for blizzard

[@mung01re]

Love how you have nothing but criticism for Blizzard.

[@Ambandion]

I don't really care for MoP remix, i never enjoyed MoP, i'm one of the few i know. But i do look forward to the pre-patch.

[@1337GigaChad]

Give me max ilevel gear for hardest delves or give me death

[@keithb6344]

RIP I guess

[@CazaliEiben]

From what I've seen, they still haven't managed to make Single-Minded Fury baseline in the alpha, so there are no relevant changes as far as I am concerned.

[@IPlayVideoGamesAndNothingElse]

Class rework part of the video starts at 8:00 for those that only want to hear about that.

[@Braw-cf4ei]

"Major class revamps!" Talks about class changes for less than 30 seconds in a 15 minute video. Talk about clickbait...

[@Patrick_0n]

Don't care about panda remix at all. Didn't care to play plunderstorm....want actual content. Where is the major class change info?

[@IPlayVideoGamesAndNothingElse]

Play the game without your circle of friends and I bet you would change your mind.

[@xaulted1]

Unpopular Opinion Warning: Microsoft put the kibosh on it. There will never be an _official_ Blizzcon again.

[@Junebug89]

That doesn't really make any sense. Blizzcon itself almost certainly nets a decent profit, probably not amazing, but it also serves to generate a hype cycle for blizzard products and helps build more of a community around them.

[@superplatinum]

if your a DK you will get screwed as Blizzard told all DK fuck you, we are keeping breath and wounds inn, the two things you hate. i don't fucking think they are going to do a good job whit DK's rework.

[@georgeindestructible]

Arguments about Blizzcon24 are well funded but at the same time, like, with DF, i think TWW is gonna be unfinished af like DF was, simply because they can just keep adding and changing things later. I think almost everyone would agree with this for once, we want to buy a finished product....

[@milkshakeguru7118]

What about DF was unfinished? I subbed for all of it and everything seemed to release pretty frequently and if anything was broke it was dealt with in a very healthy time frame compared to any previous expansions.

[@georgeindestructible]

@@milkshakeguru7118 Really? How many class changes made in the process of the expansion because they were badly made to begin, with meaning you had to wait months to play the class or you suffered, how many things added later like the Zaralak Cavern and Emerald Dream etc etc? I mean, i am not saying they should be accessible from launch, i am saying that they should be made already.

[@cloyd1234]

This is not how game development works for a live game but okay…

[@Valvad0ss]

@@georgeindestructible you lack comprehension and intelligence. Seriously you do

[@georgeindestructible]

@@cloyd1234 Then why did they do exactly that?

[@bub64882]

Cancelling Blizzcon after laying off so many employees feels like the right call.

[@donaldhaywoodjr.5207]

Not interested in side games with an alt I will more than likely delete in a few months cause I just don’t play them anymore total waste of my time. I will not be participating in this experiment. Things we actually want they drag their feet things we don’t want they push down our throat. Come on Blizzard you have shown you can do better just do it

[@taylemgames2652]

WoW in a nutshell. Constantly changing existing things to force engagement of players who feel obligated to play a game they've wasted so much time in already.

[@OrchinX]

I get your point, but if those changes are good, and then if they don’t ruin them, then the game is just made better. If they do this enough then the game will actually be fun again

[@reptiliancow]

imagine how many players WoW would have if they made no changes in 20 years! it will be the most popular game ever right?

[@no-budhee6657]

This sounds like a personal problem to me. I’ve been playing since launch and I play because I enjoy it, not because I feel forced to do so. Maybe try growing up.

[@Reqwulf]

No, most of the ppl wont going to get anywhere close 65, another stupid addition. At least its not a miunus.

[@zlan1684]

Ya change the title , i generally like your videos but this was shit. I was hoping for more class change news.

[@ZergS4uc3]

I think the bigger issue is california fucked themselves with the pay increase, everything is closing out there, most restaurants cant stay open and the prices of food have gone insane

[@Jharlax]

Man stop the clickbait each week I am less inclient to click on your videos

[@ianscull8134]

I did seriously think about subscribing but having too watch what felt like 25% of the video listening to a “love me” sponsorship spiel for a games unrelated product just put me off - maybe relavent sponsorship for gamers might have worked

[@adamslosslessmusiccollection]

Mike, WoW isn’t a great game anymore. You are literally hyping up a 20 year old Saturday morning cartoon and it’s not entertaining to watch these videos. Why did you and Matt abandon making FFXIV content? It’s the better game.

[@Thrall966]

To you FFXIV is the better game , to others WoW is . I can’t stand FFXIV, and apparently Bellular viewers can’t too 😂

[@Duhchinski]

WoW is a Saturday morning cartoon but FFXIV isn’t??? Lul

[@AbolishtheNFA]

Fail troll

[@adamslosslessmusiccollection]

@@Duhchinski FFXIV is an anime, and anime > cartoons.

[@adamslosslessmusiccollection]

@@Duhchinski I don’t see any WoW characters taking a gun to their head and pull the trigger like FFXIV did in one scene.

[@inakinak5144]

this mix is the most stupid thing ever if you cant play it with your main. Why do you make new mini games to play without your main ? I am paying to play content with my character and this shit is stupid

[@no-budhee6657]

So…don’t do it? There is other content in the patch and S4 is going on.

[@christopherdaffron8115]

Dude, do you get the whole Warbands push from Blizzard? Yeah well the re-mix is part of that effort.

[@inakinak5144]

@@no-budhee6657 What is other new content ? New saeson is not a new content. People playing on mains didnt see new content for years