Major New 2023 Tesla Model Y Update! - Sandy Munro Teardown

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Major New 2023 Tesla Model Y Update! - Sandy Munro Teardown. We're finally getting a look into the engineering behind the Tesla Model Y made at Giga Texas through Sandy Munro and The Limiting Factor which is helping us get a better understanding of how Tesla built the Model Y and how much better the 4680 Model Y is going to be in 2023!
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[@Kenny-yl9pc]

And where is the link to the "real reason for the 4680 battery"???

[@chasetronicsinc7719]

GREAT JOB EXPLAINING THE 4680 BATTERY !! Lithium batteries tend to swell-up slightly when charging and shrink in use when discharging .The "Tabs" seen tend to eliminate this problem in the new 4680 design . Great job Tesla Engineers ! Grandpa Ron 😊

[@jamesbond-pg3pl]

A great day to you, love your humor and thanks for great content, explained well, Stay well, and keep it up. Thanks again

[@Mr_Simmons]

Ok. Awesome structural pack stuff aside, can we talk about this episodes sponsor? Is this products existence evidence enough that maybe Tesla's approach to in car controls is maybe _too_ minimal? I feel like I'm the only one at times who actually prefers physical buttons and dials for standard in car controls (AC, temperature, fan speed, etc) as they are often the things that I would want to change while driving and a touch screen is just not tactile enough when really my focus should be on the road.

[@alanjenkinson7812]

So your video is all about other peoples videos with you having none of the expense? Bravo 👏

[@kenplant91]

That was an awesome break down and refresher. Thank you. Keep doing what u do please

[@kurtisengle6256]

Its a beautiful design. As in : "OMG! I totaled my Tesla! Want to buy my battery? How about a motor? The wheels are still good. Recycle the rest." The steel top and aluminum bottom on the battery guarantees, if there is a fire, it will drop onto the road before melting into the cabin. The bottom of the pack is a fuse. That's better than steel on the bottom and aluminum on top.

[@jmcampbell]

2:33 If you can see it (bottom right), one of the cell terminals of the 4680 cells is missing.

[@huskypup3489]

The structural pack is pretty much what I expected. You can't actually weld the cells to the pack housing due to all the different voltage potentials present, so you have to fill with a dielectric material like the foam.

[@keithb7981]

One major point that people are going to be seeing a lot of fake information on is the recycled ability of the 4680 battery pack system period Both Elon and Sandy made it very clear that these battery packs will easily be ground into microbits without disassembly of any kind and using a process of heating and separation that Sandy called floating similar to fractionation in a refinery tower, all of the components will be separated and recovered and be fully recycled into new batteries and packs, basically once the components are separated they are individually equal to extremely high grade or from a mine, because they've already been processed and purified so this will be extremely efficient recycling and the batteries and pack system made from the recycled material will be absolutely equivalent to new batteries made from or taken from mines

[@RR9sf]

Great point

[@M13x13M]

This definition of recycling is pure nonsense.

[@keithb7981]

@@M13x13M this channel is another KZbin troll everyone should just delete it and block it

[@keithb7981]

@@M13x13M yep just another 12 IQ statement made by the KZbin 12 IQ troll Brigade to interrupt Communications and to put out blatant propaganda

[@ReachOutToWilliam]

Sandy Munro's statements regarding recycling are totally BS. Keep in mind that Munro has no under graduate or graduate education of any type. He does not understand electricity, physics or chemistry.

[@sa5cha63]

Beautiful sum up. Just brilliant. Thank you.

[@danielraquel7226]

A functioning structural battery pack alone is amazing. Knowing that this is the first iteration is almost a relief since Tesla stays innovating. Finding a totally dry manufacturing battery process would be significant! Let’s hope they solve it!

[@JohnDoe-bd5sz]

One advantage for the consumer is, if the battery degrades to below the threshold for the warranty, Tesla will have to swap out the whole battery pack, meaning that you will once again have 100% SOC. I have heard of other manufacturers that only change smaller parts of the battery to bring the car within warranty limit. So the car goes to 69% and they change only the worst performing cells to bring the car up to, say 72%. A downside is, i would imagine that recycling these batteries will be a LOT harder, than if they had not been "set in glue" like that.

[@Narinjas]

What I wish is the 500 mile with the active air suspension and an air line for tire inflating or deflating for a true Off Road Model W, also bigger wheel wells for allowing bigger off road tires, and for them to be able to be hidden while driving in low ride highway mode for efficiency reasons. (Also the two level sun roof automatic covers with a 50% obscuring mesh and a heat reflective protecting screen with heat trapping mitigation that also has insulated bottom for not burning the passengers in case of touching it.)

[@howardjohnson2138]

I look forward to the updates. Thanks

[@michaelpatish7248]

Watching Tesla's cars and soon trucks evolve reminds me of the era of planes. No one at the beginning of the era of planes had any idea of all the changes and innovations that happened every day, week and year to get to where we are today. From wooden frames covered in cloth, with 3 wings then 2 then 1. Who can say where we are going to be in 10 years or what breakthrough will revolutionize the electric vehicle industry. Enjoy the ride I say!

[@Geekprimeit]

Are the 4680 batteries in the 2022 model y?

[@trizzybones]

Isn't the 4680 supposed to exceed the performance of the 2170, based on what Elon and Drew said at Battery day? I know this may take some time to get there, but you said the 4680 isn't supposed to exceed the performance of the 2170, but I thought that was what they claimed as the goal.

[@huskypup3489]

The energy density also depends on the end-of-charge voltage which is under Tesla's control. They might be backing off on the charge voltage in the short term to improve cell safety; over time, as the cell design improves, they can charge higher and get better energy from essentially the same cell.

[@Bruh-wb3qw]

I don’t know about performance but I kept hearing for months that they aren’t exactly better yet but they are more energy dense and cheaper to manufacture. This would be Teslas official transition from cobalt-nickel to iron-phosphate battery chemistry no?

[@trizzybones]

@@Bruh-wb3qw If I recall correctly from what the The Limiting Factor breakdown said, there is still some cobalt in the chemistry right now, but I'd imagine the chemistry will be adjusted over time and they will also use different chemistries for different variants.

[@trizzybones]

@@huskypup3489 Yeah, I'd imagine they will improve, it just sounded like he was saying in the video that that wasn't the goal, specifically regarding energy density.

[@archigoel]

@@Bruh-wb3qw no, as I understand, Iron phosphate has a different cellpack design, because it's not very efficient in a cylinderical cell.

[@jacquizbak]

Finally found it again...luv watching u ride...ur good...i might be better!?!! aug6/2022

[@FamilyFriedemann]

That literally felt like watching the result of someone who rushed to get his job done as there was some arbitrary due date. The core idea is great, but the execution suffered from some quick fixes. Still, I am intrigued by the new battery design. The finished product looks so massively engineered that it becomes hard to imagine any complete failure. Down to the cell level these battery backs look incredibly robust; it is like seeing all known failure points vanish at once. How does such a battery even explode or die? Probably the cooling could be improved in several ways, and yet I am sure that the implementation will work as long as there is no failure in the cooling system (seems a bit more single point of failure susceptible as the rest). Where would that thing even break? Trucks don't cut it, that would take a cartoon sized boulder or star wars light sword to imagine.

[@pioupiou1098]

Very interesting thing about pink foam 🤔

[@HungrySandwitch]

4 modules with 3 cooling ribbons each on one ribbon there are 34 and 35 cells on either side so 69 total cells per ribbon. Whole pack is 828 cells.

[@srfpunk8207]

So how does the recycling of the battery pack come into play if the pack is that difficult to dismantle...🤔

[@cav8285]

It just all gets tossed into a big shredder. No need to dismantle the pack.

[@superteamvideo1930]

NO BETTER BATTERY DENSITY than the old cells. Ugh. The MB EQXX has a 747 mile range and battery density of 400 Wh/L. MB says a car using this battery will be for sale in 2 years. There is no way Tesla can call the current MYLR, "Long Range," if it only is capable of a "measly" 330 mile range. Some batteries made by CATL in 2023 will have a 620 mile range and 10-80% charging in 10 minutes. I just can't get over the original paltry range of the Model X at 80% 220 miles (which was realistically about 100 miles at 80mph) and the M3LR which at 80% of 330 and at 80mph will be about 160 miles. That's it. We are talking about peanuts improvement here. The original Model X (the flagship model) was only able to get from San Francisco to San Jose and back ONCE. For some people, that is only 1 commute and then needs to fully charge. The current MYLR couldn't make it twice without charging at the destination.

[@dvader3263]

330= long range. 430= super long range. 530= extra long range. 630= mega range. 730= ultra range. 830= super duper extra ultra mega long range. A manufacturer can call a particular range whatever the heck they want.

[@kashmir883]

ngl the sponsor for this video is one step backwards from what tesla wants haha

[@danielstehura9657]

What about long range 4680 battery pack

[@davidwilkie9551]

Interesting report.

[@Psalm-yg6yi]

*Don't watch a channel that talks about what Sandy Monroe says about Tesla. Go to his KZbin channel and listen to him talk about it*

[@chrisbraid2907]

Nice that the can use less 4680 cells for the lower power Model 3 and Y … I don’t think every Tesla has to be a performer or long range …

[@jameshoffman552]

16:36 I'm going to go out on a limb and say that future 4680 structural packs will also be filled to the brim with pink foam. Actually, we shouldn't be surprised -- Elon, in describing the structural. pack maybe a year ago, said it would be filled with a fire-retardant foam.

[@QE007]

Great video

[@oldbarnmenagerie2783]

Amazing 🤩

[@GershonBenYitzhak]

So what I don't understand is how they plan on recycling these batteries. That is supposed to be part of their model. With all that pink stuff, how do they plan on easily recycling a battery? I don't get it.

[@magallon643]

I remember when I used to Own a Vw Passat,they did the same thing with the Transmission no maintenance required,it seal Shut it basically disposable,once they reach their Course you have to Buy a new Transmission or buy a new Car.

[@bruthayoshi2111]

Rip man. That's why I just change fluids in stupid short intervals lol

[@NizmoMiner]

I like Tesla. But that roof height is weird

[@rauckr09]

Dedicated 4680 production facilities are being developed in Texas and Germany. These facilities will provide Tesla with a huge volume of these advanced cells.

[@twhite5085]

not yet will they. Tesla is still working out the kinks and it isn't near done yet. and they're going to need volume production soon if they intend to get the CT and SEMI into production. the 4680 is another "Elon Time" product. It'll happen, but not as soon as Elon claims.

[@AnubisSolvang]

You're complaining about heat dissipation on the side of the cell but you were expecting a cooling system on the bottom? The literal smallest surface area you could think of?

[@richardacerra2975]

Many comments on recycling the battery. The whole pack is immersed in liquid nitrogen to stop the reaction and then the whole thing is shredded. Using flotation and other techniques all of the metals are recovered. In effect the pack is turned into super rich ore. Virtually 100% of the important stuff is recovered.

[@rayspencer7255]

Dipping the battery in liquid nitrogen also makes the materials very brittle , so easier to pulverize. A banana shatters after being dipped in liquid nitrogen and then hit by a hammer .

[@ggrthemostgodless8713]

Why aren't all of Tesla's roofs solar, thus saving lots on electricity??

[@bearlemley]

Tell Enhance that I need a button to remove all the buttons in my car and make it sexy like a Tesla.

[@danielstehura9657]

Too many Ads

[@DaveDuzzit]

Tesla would never vent the battery heat out of its housing, the heat pump works partially by using the systems heat generation, meaning all that insulation is there to prevent heat from escaping the pack in any other way besides the cooling system it was intended to, while adding structural support. The better they do at designing within those parameters, they better these cars perform in cold weather.

[@EarlLedden]

Wonder how much the customer gets for his/her recycled battery.

[@Caneyhead123]

How do we stop thermal runaway? Elon: Great Stuff

[@johnnymonsters9717]

Elon made the battery pack non repairable because he is leaning into just recycling the broken pack

[@kurtisengle6256]

And all those shade tree mechanics who have never seen this tech before. Elon is trying not to kill them. Make the danger hard to get to. Great design.

[@alexmanojlovic768]

Battery pack: "never supposed to come apart". Until it's recycled by Redwood Materials or similar.

[@royphillips7644]

Tesla is already recycling battery packs themselves.

[@letsgobrandon5800]

So, what’s the 2023 Model Y update?

[@chrisbraid2907]

Oh they are just going to change/improve a few things. General debug !

[@letsgobrandon5800]

@@chrisbraid2907 the title reads “ Major New 2023 Update” and video addresses no update at all. 4680 is old news from 2 years ago.

[@panyo2511]

That is precisely because there are also unicorns!

[@vwasson6725]

We should call it the Pink Panther battery pack. Yeah, repairability isn't a thing with this.

[@charlesrovira5707]

@4:20 The pack is recyclable, (†) it's just not easily repairable. Actually, if you've got the proper solvent, you can get the pack open, selectively free the cells, and get to any individual cell, though why you'd want to is beyond me... †) Like *Elon* said: _Think of it as high-grade ore. (Just grind up the whole pack and use liquid gravitational separation to get to each metal..)

[@twhite5085]

if it took Munro's crew 80 hours using a dry-ice blaster just to get one bank of cells clear of foam, and the cover skin destroyed just to peel it back, not to mention wiring destroyed, good luck fixing any 4680 pack. those things are all or nothing; replace only. there will not be any repairs made.

[@charlesrovira5707]

@@twhite5085 No there certainly won't, but with the right solvent, it'll be a lot easier to recycle.

[@ReachOutToWilliam]

@@charlesrovira5707 Fire!

[@bertramsillesen1053]

Doesn’t that foam completely ruin the possibility of recycling batteries after their lifespan?

[@richardacerra2975]

No, the battery is immersed in liquid nitrogent to stop the reaction and then the whole thing is shredded. Using flotation and other techniques all of the metals are recovered. In effect the pack is turned into super rich ore.

[@kazedcat]

@@richardacerra2975 My idea was to dump the pack into molten iron then separate the metals from the slag.

[@chrisbraid2907]

In a word NOPE !

[@edwardcoulter9361]

No. As a metallurgical Engineer I can assure that dumping batteries into liquid iron will just cause the nickel, copper, cobalt to dissolve into the iron. This makes these metals really hard to recover since they become substantially diluted. Lithium and aluminum will dissolve into the slag as oxides and they too will be substantially diluted, probably impossibly so. Graphite will all be oxidized to carbon monoxide and that’s the end of it. Manganese will probably dissolve into slag too but some will be reduced to metal and dissolve into the iron. This would in no way be considered a viable process by just forcing the concentrated elements into impossible chemistry to ever recover them economically.

[@johnnymonsters9717]

Tesla is running their batteries in a series parallel. This is like having 4 AA batteries.

[@FXNorm]

Hey hotshot, what have YOU done lately?

[@Jam-In-With-Ben]

hi

[@edwardcoulter9361]

Bye.

[@mikeruchington4882]

I’m honestly disappointed at the lack of reusability in this design. It’s confusing considering how difficult lithium and nickel refinement is and that the whole point of electrification is to help the planet. I hope they consider a more sustainable production process in the future as they ramp up production.

[@jaymoney9917]

Please develop the ability to change and upgrade batteries... I want to keep my car for life. My life.

[@skyserf]

4:10 Has Tesla or any other entity started to think about recycling all of these batteries as they reach end of life?

[@letsgobrandon5800]

JB Straubel is way ahead of you. The whole idea is recyclability .

[@skyserf]

@@letsgobrandon5800 Thanks for the name. B iden’s L aptop M atters

[@bitebetsy]

How can Tesla recycle their batteries after turning the whole pack into this pink foam brick?

[@kazedcat]

Sandy already talk about the recycling process. Douse the entire pack with liquid nitrogen then shred it into tiny pieces and separate the metals using flotation.

[@twhite5085]

just listen to Munro - the process is simple, Redwood Materials in Reno is building a facility for it

[@edwardcoulter9361]

Did you not read earlier remarks?

[@NickWainwright6970]

Freeze it, put it a blender

[@Barskor1]

Rare earth mining is the PR bane of EVs we can end that by using iron nitride magnets that perform better than neodymium. National security concerns over a single nation aka China controlling rare earth mining and refining are also eliminated as every nation has iron and ammonia to make iron nitride magnets. Niron Magnetics makes these magnets in the USA.

[@edwardcoulter9361]

How does the intensity of the magnetic fields compare? I am fairly sure that the iron nitride is far worse, else it would already be used.

[@Barskor1]

@@edwardcoulter9361 It is stronger as the limit of saturation during creation is three times higher, the reason they have not been used in the past is no one knew how to consistently make the iron nitride to achieve mass production.

[@dailjr3721]

👏🏻

[@danielstehura9657]

You re hashed Sandy Monroe’s information! You get a thumbs down for giving us Jack S- - T !

[@rickc1410]

TOOOO MANY ADDS BY BY BY F EVS UTILITY CHARGES EXTRA FOR 1 AC unit CANT USE 11-7 NOW NOT ENOUGH ELECTRIC ????????

[@brendangriffin1791]

I'm sure the Chinese have done this . Their batteries have a habit of blowing up

[@RippenSXS]

7:57 why even say stupid shit like that? It obviously works.

[@Dularr]

I still question the idea. People strapped on seats attached to the battery packs. With the battery pack bolted to the frame. Really looks like a bad day if the bolts ever shear off.

[@NickWainwright6970]

Never happened before……why now?

[@Dularr]

@@NickWainwright6970 Because this design has never been attempted before. Previous designs created a roll cage for the passengers. Which of course made it difficult to install finished interior parts into the car. This design creates a incomplete possible weaker frame. Then bolts a plate to the bottom of the car. The plate contains the batteries, but also straps the passengers to the battery pack. No one does it like this. With most rollover accidents, the ICE is dropped and other parts go flying off. Reducing angular momentum. The latest Tesla designs have fewer parts and passengers attached to the battery pack. Wondering what real world accidents will show.

[@BenGreggSweden]

“This Tesla could have been yours…” just the kind of stupid, polarizing and sensationalist reporting that I can do without.