The Ba'ul were Right about the Kelpians & Michael Indirectly Caused the Burn on Star Trek Discovery

[@Mako2401]

Who knew that yelling causes dilithium to explode

[@MajorGrin]

sonar in space , red lights appear simultaneously everywhere in the galaxy and appear on holographic maps but you can't tell where they are , ultra violet instead of infrared to see heat signatures , Jupiter Mars and Earth all visible in the same shot together because they're so close by with the sun no where in sight , need I go on ?

[@ralfr5195]

@@MajorGrin yes, in a large compilation vid ;)

[@FQP-7024]

@@MajorGrin the amount of energy required in such a small space would be even finer tuned than a black hole bomb

[@njb1126]

Don’t forget that blinking fast can delete holograms

[@sethhauser4757]

If only yelling at my TV when Discovery is on would cause the writer's room to explode.

[@Doctoranthetardis]

We need to find the cure for STD it's really starting to burn...

[@Kohagaan]

better yet, we need to find a cure for std it's really starting to burnHAM :D

[@Shadowkey392]

@J MH good luck with that. Too many people love it.

[@jamesaron1967]

@@Shadowkey392 Really? Not what I'm hearing. Not pre-Discovery Trek fans in any case.

[@stealthSGMB]

@@jamesaron1967 It is quite alarming to see self proclaimed “Trek fans” defend STD and Picard Zealously and call anybody who DARES criticize it a “gatekeeper.”

[@jamesaron1967]

@@stealthSGMB There can't be than many defending Discovery. I browse several Trek channels and those people defending Discovery religiously are very few in number. I recall one individual who berated everyone else on a superchat calling us "haters" but he was the only one in that chat. Another individual (same channel) was blasting commenters for not liking an episode about a month ago. I recall one more person around the beginning of season 3 who criticized commenters including myself for not liking Burnham because of her skin color, which is completely false. Besides these three individuals, I have not come across anyone else in literally thousands of comments over the past few months.

[@DeathbyKillerBong]

and this is why the prime directive is the PRIME directive

[@blackhawk4042]

STD: the.... Prime... What?

[@Shadowkey392]

You mean General Order One.

[@spaceninja7687]

You mean the same prime directive that has been ignored in some way by every star fleet captain since the original series?

[@icowrich]

@@blackhawk4042 Why are you brining up Star Trek: DS9?

[@blackhawk4042]

@@icowrich Std =star trek discovery and star trek deep space nine is stds9 or what where you meaning?

[@Sindraug25]

Tipping the balance of power between the Kelpians and Ba'ul has to be the biggest willful violation of the Prime Directive in Star Trek history.

[@Laneous14]

Has there been a single episode where they actually followed The Prime Directive?

[@Creasy5678]

@@Laneous14 Actually, not that I can remember. Pretty sure ending 2,000 years of genocide is something they can be forgiven for not being willing to let continue, though.

[@GraniteInTheFace]

Well to be fair the baul seem to be war capable. Cause if they weren't then wow their planetary defenses are extremely advanced

[@kevinnio]

What about that time when the TNG crew watched a whole planet die because they couldn't intervene due to the Prime Directive?

[@whitegluestick6039]

@@kevinnio yep the prime directive is flawed and most captains know it but they still follow it unless your first name starts with b and last name starts with s

[@Chud_Bud_Supreme]

Old Star Trek used special effects to tell a story. Nu Trek uses story to tell special effects

[@Superkuh2]

No, Nu Trek doesn't tell stories. It's stories are there to talk about characters instead of scifi plots.

[@BioGoji-zm5ph]

I remember when Old Trek used the special effect of a shuttle going really fast to tell the story of Tom Paris transforming into a weird lizard thing.

[@Kohagaan]

@@Superkuh2 no, not to talk about characters but to talk about a single character , mikey spok/burnham aka black jesus the woman version, aka the "stronkest bestest wamen " ever

[@Kohagaan]

@@BioGoji-zm5ph yea, that was a really dumb episode , but still, the show was good, not like this trash...

[@Chud_Bud_Supreme]

@@BioGoji-zm5ph And then he and Janeway had lizard babies

[@DankReaper420]

The lack of creativity on this show disgusts me. A fish creature got so upset that he caused the burn by screaming really loud? What a stupid joke. My brain hurts from trying to contemplate that level of stupidity.

[@GraniteInTheFace]

Yeah this is shit

[@ranchoth]

Moral of the Story: Emotionally troubled people subject to getting "Triggered" are time bombs, a threat to themselves and others, and should be brutally suppressed and culled, not unlike livestock, to protect modern civilization. Also: TV Tropes gets a new edit war over if a new entry more properly belongs in "Unfortunate Implications" or "Family-Unfriendly Aesop."

[@AmericanNope]

To be fair I think the moral they were going for was that people who are neglected,cutoff, and whose only interaction is with technology can become dangerous and harmful to society as a whole. But it was done in such a ham handed and shallow way and the story itself was beyond uninspired or interesting. In order to make it good we the audience have to give it a lot more credit than it actually deserves. When the story the creators and writers give you should be so good the audience can’t deny it. That’s when you actually get a good show and not a warm pile of dung.

[@quinnzykir]

Yikes.

[@stealthSGMB]

I’M TRIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDD!!!!! *Massive shockwave from triggered-ness that destroys a fuel... Somehow.*

[@kcdodger]

Wow. So you'd be the first one to be "culled" given how much a TV show did that to you.

[@Creasy5678]

This was a pathetic explanation for the Burn, I'm sorry. I could literally have done better myself. What were the writers thinking? WERE they thinking?

[@slydog42069]

TV writers these days don’t seem to think beyond special effects

[@MrBrandonbarlow]

How would you have explained it?

[@Creasy5678]

@@MrBrandonbarlow Ah, a challenge. Okay, here's one possibility. We know from "Discovery" Season 2 the Klingons attempted to weaponise time. Given the Federation circa 932 years later mentioned a Temporal War, maybe they even succeeded. Discovery had a unique drive system that the Federation has apparently never been able to replicate. The question here, to me, is does anyone really believe the Federation didn't try and build Doomsday Weapons involving time as well? During War, sometimes terrible choices are the only choices. My suggestion would be that the Federation did indeed build a Temporal Weapon which could have and would have changed history and won the war for the Federation before it ever started by altering the past. But... Cause and effect come into play, something has to occur for something else to occur which leads to something else, past, present and future. Trying to rearrange those and getting it wrong? Or even NOT failing to make a working weapon? They failed to alter history because they underestimated the power the bomb would yield when detonated, it drew more and more power whenever it wasn't fully shielded-and it COULDN'T be fully shielded during time travel. When they tried to shift it in the timestream the bomb started sucking power from EVERYWHEN-but the most direct source was the time ship shifting outside of time, powered by a specially modified Dilithium Crystal. The result? The bomb drew power from all of the Dilithium it could reach at once through the ships power core in an effort to reach maximum capacity and detonate, as it was designed to do. This was the Burn, a malfunctioning Superweapon designed to rewrite history on a galactic scale that did only part of what it was meant for. The power that charged it up wasn't the right kind, it was supposed to be charged up with Temporal energy, so when it blew it snarled time and space so severely that even the Q cannot fix it and torched pretty much all Dilithium anywhere in the known galaxy. Everything changed in a second, the time ship managed to get off a distress call in warning but it did no good at all... 150 years ago-ish. As to why even Admiral Vance doesn't seem to know that, for example? Very simple: he doesn't. If the other species of the Milky Way Galaxy EVER discovered what caused the Burn, it means all-out War on an Apocalyptic scale until the Federation and all it's people are either all dust or slaves. The records have been purged, databases wiped, anyone who knows the truth is dead. Any possible traces as a result of time-travel have been dealt with-by any and all means necessary. Section 31 needs to earn it's keep, after all. Only one record exists, that cannot be found since it is revealed only to the Federation President on their inauguration, by a unique individual who cannot be identified, or tracked, who has in their possession that record. These are the stakes...

[@gregnulik1975]

@@Creasy5678 Does it have to be slavery or death ?

[@Creasy5678]

@@gregnulik1975 Depends on just how well the truth is dealt with. If the full story ever came out, not even buildings would be left standing. Slavery is still preferable to death, or worse, Worst Case Scenario.

[@FreakyLynx]

Michael and the Federation were the villains all along? Yeah that sounds like the perfect ending to this dumpster fire show.

[@Kit_Kat_Catastrophe]

Burnham loves to kill people, I'm sure she is proud she helped bring about the burn and all of those deaths

[@blairbrown4812]

So the United Federation of Planets prevents a species-wide genocide, and as a reward,the galaxy is plunged into a new Dark Age? Sounds logical and lovely.

[@stefanmaier1853]

I really hope the whole show ends with a scene of Kirk sitting at Starfleet Academy when this DISCO Holoplay ends and the instructor points to a member of the Department of temporal investigation and says: "Now repeat, cadets. That is why we do adhere to the Prime Directive and do not fool around with time. Any questions" "And by the way thanks to agent Michaels over there who planted a bomb on the Klingon ship that destroyed the colony this Miss Burnham was born on, nothing of this ever happened". Any further questions? Random Cadet:"But Agent Michaels did fool around with time." Instructor "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few".

[@Shadowkey392]

and plausible.

[@dodojesus4529]

That really isnt the message you want to send in star trek

[@munchengohan]

also notice that the "shockwave" that comes out of the kelpian moves pretty slowly. yet before they were saying it was "nearly instantaneous" around the galaxy and ships that were light years from each other had barely a fraction of a microsecond difference when they exploded

[@OzPiggy87]

Yeah, the shockwave travels at the ""speed of plot"...

[@cpasr8065]

Ahh yes. Making the audience understand is less important than being realistic. One of the most important part of any show.

[@Shadowkey392]

A) this event was probably FAR LESS POWERFUL than whatever triggered the Burn, and B) the shockwave is likely just the VISIBLE component of whatever happened. Whatever part of the Burn caused the dilithium to explode is probably NOT visible.

[@cpasr8065]

@Jackedhammer fun fact: they didnt show a shockwave in space, they just showed its effects.

[@kevinnio]

It has been established that neither the writers nor the producers/directors of Discovery care about being scientifically accurate. They're willing to disregard accuracy if that helps them to convey great visuals. They even are willing to disregard continuity for the same goal.

[@gimzod76]

Wow, i'm actually impressed. It takes actual effort to come up with an explanation that dumb.

[@njb1126]

I read about the burn on memory alpha and it seems like something out of Star Wars. A mystical connection with dilithium on a dilithium planet... as in having a special connection with a kyber crystal from illum? Do they think that we don’t know star wars and we’ll take this to be original?

[@gimzod76]

@@njb1126 Since when have any of jar jar Abrahams minions ever had an orginol idea?

[@Shadowkey392]

Pretty sure this ISNT the explanation, just a clue. There’s no way it’s as simple as that.

[@gimzod76]

@@Shadowkey392 It's bad robot it can be that simple

[@compmanio36]

@@njb1126 Bingo. This is Star Wars in just Star Trek clothing. Star Wars kids have skinned Trek and are now walking around in the skin and clothes of our beloved franchise.

[@AmericanNope]

After not watching the first two seasons of Disco because they were incoherent and wildly off anything I can place as Star Trek.... This season i tried to watch which means skipping past many many cringe inducing or otherwise horrible parts. What is left is a thread of a story that makes little sense. How can you change trek from episodic to serialized and not even think of coherent story to tell people during the course of a season? It’s insulting to everyone watching and makes the writers and producers look like hacks.

[@sethhauser4757]

LOOK like hacks? They ARE hacks. 😂

[@AirbusA--si4kw]

To be honest though DS9 had serialised story arcs in its later seasons and at one point the writers on Voyager wanted to make Year of Hell into a season-long story arc, so you can’t just fully blame Discovery writers for moving away from episodic storytelling, despite their shortcomings.

[@RurouniKalainGaming]

Star Trek Enterprise really messed around with it majorly in season 3, made mistakes, but it worked. Bigger story, still often episodic.

[@Destructor111]

@@AirbusA--si4kw you're missing the point. Nobody's "blaming" them for going serialised - that's not the problem. The problem is that's there's no plan! DS9 and Enterprise had planned season arcs, planned multi-season arcs in some cases, and solid writing staff who didn't replace each other every five minutes and didn't egotistically chuck out any semblance of a plan already in place to "put their own stamp on it". There are so many stamps on Discovery, from story to production design, it's a snuff film at this point: Stop! Stop stamping! It's already dead! 1984 got it right in this case: "if you want to imagine the future, imagine a boot, stamping on a human face, forever."

[@alexlemonds2838]

What the hell am I staring at? It looks like the Grudge girl if she was possessed by the Venom Symbiote. :P

[@pentelegomenon1175]

I can't quite place what it reminds me of, but I keep thinking of the Pale Man from Pan's Labyrinth.

[@scockery]

I assumed they appropriated Armus from TNG.

[@emile1365]

Made me think of the drippy guy from Farscape but beyond worse.

[@BNuts]

@@scockery I did not want to be reminded of Tasha's pointless death today. But thank you. The Burn led to millions of pointless deaths as well. How many after this clip of the Kelpian yelling in protest, do you think?

[@ormrvoid3231]

Actually made me think of the Skin of Evil, I hope discovery writers don't touch that

[@applecrow8]

I literally can't watch more than a few seconds of this show without getting angry and sick. I don't even know how to describe why...its like something else is wearing the skin of a loved one and I'm locked into that moment of horrible realization.

[@sethhauser4757]

It puts the lotion in the basket or it gets the hose again.

[@dandeliondown7920]

"its like something else is wearing the skin of a loved one and I'm locked into that moment of horrible realization." That's an excellent description. Also, the impostor is a mass murderer, mocking the values of the loved one.

[@LightningSt0rm]

Good lord. Dramatic much? 🙄

[@byronperry8931]

@@LightningSt0rm Not at all, its horrible. Like being repeatedly decapitated with a blunt rusty butter knife.

[@tlouiseallen9302]

@@byronperry8931 I disagree but what a vivid thought 🤣💪🏼🖖🏼

[@luchomscyfy]

I hate those camera angles in Discovery. It make me feel nauseating.

[@Laneous14]

When your story is solid and the acting is good you can shoot at flat, TV angles like the original Next Generation. When your story is a mess and your actors have no range you shoot at dutch angles to hide how boring everything actually is.

[@tepan]

"Thanks for nothing, Michael!" - once again.

[@magicstix0r]

Oh please, everyone knows the Burn was caused by terrible writing. Even Wesley is cringing...

[@crackwitz]

visible and leisurely expanding "shockwave" that somehow propagates FTL and blows everything up simultaneously how much did they say, picoseconds of difference? that should be impossible to measure across those distances given the laws of physics as we know them

[@Shadowkey392]

A) the shockwave is probably just the VISIBLE part of it. The rest of the Burn probably propagated through subspace or something. B) It WOULD be impossible to measure across such distances given the laws of physics as we know them AT THIS TIME.

[@MisterDax]

First, shut up Wesley! Second, it's a moot point because a kid crying should not cause "the Burn" or any other galactic cataclysm.

[@FortoFight]

Will Wheaton is so obnoxious lmao

[@sethhauser4757]

Shut up, Wesley.

[@FortoFight]

@@sethhauser4757 :(

[@sethhauser4757]

You know I'm quoting Captain Picard, right?

[@byronperry8931]

@@sethhauser4757 I don't think he's a TNG fan

[@FortoFight]

@@byronperry8931 You know this....how? I actually love TNG.

[@DrCuriensapprentice]

Creepy thing is that cats and dogs hear humans like how the Ba’ul speak, they can’t hear low frequencies that well, so our voices sound deep and husky

[@jamesaron1967]

Burnham is responsible for a LOT on this show but even I think it's a stretch to say she's 'responsible' for the Burn, however remote that connection might be. It's equivalent to saying the asteroid strike that killed off the dinosaurs is responsible for the 6th mass extinction currently underway, because the dinosaurs' demise led to the rise of _homo sapiens_ over 60M years later. Yeah, OK.

[@sussy_6998]

Hopefully the Burn happens again, wiping out all sentient life and ending this travesty of a show.

[@slydog42069]

Actually a better idea than the entire show had to offer

[@quinnzykir]

The shaky cam is giving me more motion sickness than any episode of Friday Night Lights

[@quinnzykir]

It’s not cool. It’s stupid

[@stealthSGMB]

@@quinnzykir Agreed.

[@richardmcgowan1651]

This shows makes me so sad for Star Trek. They think it's so cool and rad.

[@Shadowkey392]

Because it is.

[@compmanio36]

@@Shadowkey392 LOL what's hilarious is how you don't get that only paints you in a negative light.

[@saalkz.a.9715]

Wait a sec, I just realized that the cause of "the Burn" was a "Hyper Reeeeee"... so the Kelpian kid/guy is an ÜberBoss level Karen.(Picard's double facepalm)

[@Shadowkey392]

Except that Karen is a selfish moron, while this guy is genuinely scared.

[@Kilonovae]

Funny you should bring this up. Remember the TNG episode with the Douwd that wipes out an entire species because he was sad his wife died? same thing yet i dont see anyone crying about that.

[@deltadom33]

That’s why the kelpians named the burn after burnham The whole logic that a scream caused the burn is so logically implausible It would be like dropping a pebble in a pond it would not cause widespread damage across the galaxy If they are Crystals you think they would put some frequency blocker so that warp drives do not shatter. Wouldn’t there shields block things like this out They can create reprogrammable matter but not create dillithium in a replicator Where did the long range transporters go from Star Trek Picard Why hasn’t every enemy attacked them like the Borg

[@Hylanvahr]

Saru was virtually the only thing that made Season 1 barely tolerable. I stopped watching after they ruined Lorca (who should have remained captain and not have a dumb Mirror Universe twist). Now to see what they've done with Saru and his species and this extraordinarily brain dead dilithium plot in Season 3, I'm so glad I quit the show when I did. It's pretty clear they just don't care anymore.

[@Johnny-rx4hs]

You are implying that they cared from the start. It's just been Pay Check Discovery to these people. Why else would they hire a Hollywood failure like Kurtzman.

[@sethhauser4757]

Lorca was the best thing about Discovery. But he's a straight, white man, so he couldn't exist any longer.

[@nitePhyyre]

@@sethhauser4757 Uhhh, he is Jewish. So just straight and male. No wait, isn't everyone in the mirror universe bi? I guess that means just male.

[@dysvanlist]

Why the hell does he drip goo?

[@Chud_Bud_Supreme]

He looks like Armus

[@FortoFight]

'Cause it secretes it?

[@Chud_Bud_Supreme]

@@FortoFight Yeah, but why?

[@dysvanlist]

Throw some salt on it

[@FortoFight]

@@Chud_Bud_Supreme Why do Vulcans have longer ears? Why do Klingons have weird foreheads?

[@Cartoonman154]

The camera keeps falling over to one side

[@skinflutey]

Good to see Yasha Tar.

[@ItsPouringStupid]

Gave me a good laugh thinking about Tasha Yar's ridiculous death by fucking tar in TNG.

[@skinflutey]

@@ItsPouringStupid agreed. Harry Kim’s death is pretty funny too.

[@ItsPouringStupid]

@@skinflutey it was so dumb that it was hilarious."We'll just replace him,and some of the crew we lost during the attack with the others that're alive from a split timeline because death doesn't have any consequences in Voyager!!" It's just as ridiculous as Tasha Yar's half-Romulan Daughter from TNG.

[@skinflutey]

@@ItsPouringStupid yea and the way Harry and Janeway laugh it off at the end of the episode was so stupid yet hilarious. The way he flew out of the ship was funny too with how stupid it looked.

[@ItsPouringStupid]

@@skinflutey That scene is now replaying in my mind as I try to hold in the laugh of thinking about it. There's just too many ridiculous moments in every Star Trek series,STD isn't counted,neither is Picard since those are bastardized versions of "Star Trek",and go along with the timeline of the Abrams "Kelvin" Universe. Star Trek is still a great time,and watch,though!

[@besllu8116]

Burnham ( burn + ham) = Kelpian. Michel( mic + hel) = Make loud light. You can not make that shit up...writters of the show are sick people making a joke of ST.

[@GUNVALKERIE]

Wouldn't that have destroyed the planet they were on filled with DILITHIUM

[@JoacinoDaGona]

something something eye of the storm something something Michael bestest evar

[@crozraven]

How the show is so miserable & somehow keep getting a budget for production to this season is still the biggest mystery to me, especially since Hollywood is on the brink of economic collapse.

[@Destructor111]

Shit like this is why Hollywood is on the brink. A nepotistic circle jerk of hack jocks run the show(s). Abrams and his "supreme court" like Kurtzman, Orci, Lindelof have their fingers in so many rotten pies at this point, and they keep getting more work.

[@Shadowkey392]

@@Destructor111 because they keep doing good jobs.

[@Sopranohooper]

Oh that one's easy. It's all part of a propaganda campaign pushing communist ideas (like group guilt), so that Big Tech can usher in the New World Order and we can all be assimilated into the Borg. Obviously.

[@cleanerben9636]

It never gets old how just generic this program looks

[@buddybarlow9604]

Its actually pretty good

[@vankristlabs]

Trash take, show looks great it's the writing people hate. Also get necro'd, haha

[@AlexanderAntonopoulos]

The story i so bad

[@Rygoat]

So many potential causes to the stupid burn... and we get an overpowered alien space baby. Would have thought after voyager we wouldnt have to sit through that again (Sorry but the whole Kes/Ocampa storyline was weird)

[@njb1126]

Ba’ul? is that like goa’uld?

[@TheRealNormanBates]

M. Bison: _”of COURSE!”_

[@O1OO1O1]

KZbin captions call "Saru," Saroo. Classic.

[@SheldonAdama17]

STD: Gives you The Burn in more ways than one!

[@wolfbane7497]

That's right everyone a hologram caused the burn let that sink in a hologram of a child caused the burn

[@scockery]

At the end Colonel Kira got her desserts. Or was it Colonel Green?

[@ShadeMeadows]

Though... Starfleet kinda had or would have to intervene, the Ba'ul were advanced enough and were murderin' 'nother species so... they just did in the wrong order.

[@Stanf954]

Is the Ba"aul the same being that killsTasha Yar in Season 1 of TNG?

[@astra3310]

No that’s Armus, the leftover evil of a race of titans.

[@sethhauser4757]

Definitely not, the writers don't know who Tasha Yar is.

[@snake56]

It's weird that a species like the Ba'ul (who look like the tar monster from TNG) would be highly advanced to the point of having space ships.

[@saalkz.a.9715]

"This is the power of math people!" "I like science!"

[@mariooli9268]

And they live underwater...very estrange concept

[@saalkz.a.9715]

@@mariooli9268 well in Ent. we had the Aquatic Xindi (and if I'm not mistaken they were the most technologically advanced of them all)... but I agree it is strange.

[@mariooli9268]

@@saalkz.a.9715 after writing my post the first thing I tough was the aquatic xindi, but I was too lazy to edit... they don't even have fingers

[@saalkz.a.9715]

@@mariooli9268 But I'll bet they 🐋 "like science"! 😂

[@aberlin01]

Can someone remind me where that soft serve bit is from?

[@TheSchwiz]

I’ve defended the show. But this. Such a major plot point ruined by such a stupid explanation. This is a universe defining point and it’s just so dumb.

[@Shadowkey392]

I've seen and heard worse from Star Trek.

[@RandomGamer-qy6ys]

Maybe this is the berth if a new timeline, when discovery did not interfere and the burn never happened leading the federation to rule the galaxy, but then there’s the one we are in, where discovery caused the federation to shrivel up to a few systems

[@ge2719]

you would have thought the fact kelpians evolve to make dilithium explode would have been one of the piece of information in that oh so important sphere data. i'm also going to take a guess. the reason in the show for why saru looks human is some lazy bs, and the only reason why in reality is because they couldnt be bothered to do two kelpian makeups for an episode, or they didnt have the man hours to do it so screw it, saru looks human now....

[@NephritduGrey]

It's some stupid stuff about the radiation and the Dilithium or something. So not all Kelpians can cry Dilitium to explode. That said I wonder if that Kelpian is now the biggest mass murderer in history even if it wasn't intended by him. Also I'm pretty sure it gets solved with murder too because why put anyone in stasis or something...right?

[@MariaIsabellaZNN]

Yep, thinks are certainly happening, but I can't seem to get invested.. Maybe if only they could make it a bit darker and have more stuff explode.... Or have at least one good character that I care about. Whatever works fine.

[@AckzaTV]

dithium based warp travel was ALWAYS unsustinable, evn damaging to the fabric of the galaxy

[@Hylanvahr]

The subspace damage effect was fixed by the time Voyager launched, but Voyager also discovered that by the 29th century, Starfleet mastered travel through space-time. They also had slipstream tech. The fact that they're still relying on traditional warp drive and dilithium by the 31st century is ludicrous.

[@ranchoth]

@@Hylanvahr Well, I mean, it's not like great numbers of the species that had perfected technology using a non-dilithium warp core had immigrated and integrated into one of the UFP's founding members-for 700 years-or anything. And, hell, this is STAR TREK...when has anyone ever used technology in a clever way to get themselves out of a bad situation? That's crazy talk!

[@mikcnmvedmsfonoteka]

@@Hylanvahr ludicrous speed - Space Balls

[@Johnny-rx4hs]

@@ranchoth You would at least think the Federation would have poured a lot more resources into figuring out how the Iconians made their portal tech.

[@ashleydarkstone1949]

@@Johnny-rx4hs They didn't need to... They had space-time portals by the 30th century (or earlier). But of course those are quickly dismissed by a blanket ban on anything even remotely time-travel related... Except of course the spore drive, unless they hid their little 9 month time-skip...

[@999benhonda]

The story is bad, most characters are boring or insufferable. The ones that are decent get bad writing that makes them worse. Add in the continuity errors, unnecessary changes to how alien races look along with the darker/gritty esthetic and it is now so far from trek that it isn't watchable. That should have been impossible with this franchise!

[@JoseSanchez-xj3xn]

I really hate this show.

[@sallobo777]

See, that's why GOT storylines don't work in Star Trek; every show now a days wants to be the next GOT. Star Trek is real science for fans, and they will analyze everything in depth... in GOT, fans know it's all a fantasy story and will accept inconsistencies in the story.

[@carlgoldsmith6109]

What is GOT?

[@hellridOr]

no, GOT fans didnt accept inconsistencies either

[@UDAMZ]

Michael was the cause of the burn, because she continues to instill her views on everything. It's Michael's way of not at all and that's continuing to be a detriment to the show....that and Alex Kurtzman.

[@alternative915]

unbelievable..the answers is already there.., crying or emotional unstable like milky burnham caused the burn

[@Russkivol]

Michelle Yeoh is gone....so can we ditch this tire fire of a show now? She was the only reason to watch...

[@Shadowkey392]

why are you asking? No one's stopping you...

[@chaz32]

Wil Wheaton - 'YYYYYhhhhgeeeah'

[@MrSoopSA]

Ba’ul? Judith’s flying whale from Tales of Vesperia?

[@jakeapplegate6642]

I liked how the subtitles read Ba’ul as “bowel”

[@sadjohnny6120]

Somewhere, TNG Picard is quoting the prime directive with an extremely smug face.

[@Stay_at_home_Astronaut81]

Kelpian kid gets big sad, and blows up the warp cores of every ship in the quadrant. Seems legit.

[@minutemengeneral1324]

I haven’t seen STD but a guy caused the burn because he was attacked??

[@bazzokzwattom2655]

Yeah, something like that... 😅 He grew up near a planet made of dilithium ➡️ he gets REALLY scared ➡️ weird energy wave that makes dilithium temporarily inert ➡️ The Burn! Q.E.D. 🤷‍♂️

[@NephritduGrey]

So yeah not even attacked, just scared...but if that Kelpian is so old shouldn't he have gone through the process of something and hence be unable to feel fear anymore? Or did the writers forgot the effects of their own inventions?

[@Face1979]

Why do the Ba'ul look like the chick from the ring fell into an oil well?

[@Johnny-rx4hs]

Is that supposed to be Armus?

[@JoacinoDaGona]

"Tactical, execute General Order 24 on the kelpian homeworld."

[@ahmataevo]

I wouldn't even execute Rule 34 on this garbage.

[@Tallacus]

Even a lead is questioning the logic behind the show, and Wil Wheaton the Cringe King finds this show god awful

[@buddybarlow9604]

That 100% sounds like James Spader, they look cool as fuck too

[@WarlordMoA]

Well now we know

[@Yasuda9000]

Discovery saves the Kelpians from extinction from the Ba'ul. 1000 years later, one of the Kelpians causes the Burn. So Discovery and Burnham did causes the Burn just not the way that I expected.

[@ZeSgtSchultz]

5 seconds in and it feels like I'm having a stroke listening to her

[@user-jt5vm3mi1w]

That time travel thing in a suit instead of a ship, nonsense. There would barely be any space for the doings.

[@TheCanuck66]

That poopy ice cream was more interesting than this episode. Sigh. When writers can't write!

[@AHModuckTube]

This show would have worked better if it was simply a standalone show. Like orvillle. I mean orville could have done so much better if it had the budget and story of this show.

[@pauldzim]

Props to that gal for getting that tongue-twisting dialogue out. Wonder how many takes that took?

[@wdcain1]

It bothers me that the Ba'ul are naked. Every other technologically advance species in Star Trek wears clothes. The only one that doesn't is Species 8427 and their tech is bio-organic. It just seems that a race should know how to makes pants before a FTL warp drive.

[@jaegerbomb269]

That was the explanation for the burn? It's impressive that the "writers" some how manage to find ways to be even more dumb in every new episode.

[@compmanio36]

What the hell is wrong with both Will Wheaton and the actor that plays Saru? Neither act or look quite human. No wonder the one guy makes a good alien. Like, his facial structure itself is not right for a human being, and Will Wheaton is just a cringefest of a man child. Genetics have been fucked with here, people.

[@JunaydJuman]

Someone needs to do to Star Trek what The Mandalorian did for Star Wars.

[@unclefranklin4575]

Someone needs to do for the Mandalorian what Kurt did for Old Yeller

[@renevanwijk9653]

scene is full of things roddenberry would dislike..wrinkles everywhere

[@marceldarkbill1986]

Please BURN the Script of this Season!

[@dandeliondown7920]

Did Burnham use time travel to change the timeline, and did this contribute to the Burn? If so, shouldn't the Department of Temporal Investigations fix things? I don't really care, I just think that Temporal Investigations would consider fixing things to save millions of lives.

[@Iceflkn]

Are the Ba'ul the children of Armis or maybe his brothers and sisters? From the same race of beings that created him?

[@capuchinhelper]

Needs more screaming

[@baconcheesezombie]

So a scream caused reality to shit itself? When did Trek start taking notes from fething Warhammer 40,000???

[@johansmallberries9874]

Lol I tried to make this case on another channel. The conflict on that planet between two endemic species should’ve fallen under the prime directive. It would be like Vulcans coming to earth and imposing veganism on humans because they met a cow they liked.

[@durchhalter]

Also: What the Ba'ul did to the Kelpiens seems brutal, BUT it wasn't genocide ... at all! I often wonder, if people nowadays even know what "genocide" means, given that the term is misused so often. The Ba'ul could have committed GENOCIDE, back when they got the upper hand, by KILLING THE ENTIRE PEOPLE of the Kelpiens - and given that Saru's people hunted and fed upon the Ba'ul for millennia, who could have blamed them. But they didn't cause the extinction of the Kelpiens, they simply switched the evolutionary script. Actually, the Ba'ul were waaay better than humanity: We were only in a competitive relationship with the Neanderthals, which was enough for us to make them go extinct. The Ba'ul were the prey in a hunter/prey relationship with the Kelpiens and still they didn't kill the Kelpiens but only made sure they wouldn't become predators of their species again. Again the UFP intervened in the evolution of two people on the basis of their assumed moral supremacy.

[@brianlindee1285]

Do you think the writers know that they keep writing that majority of Starfleet captains and officers keep constantly keep breaking the prime directive that is why i liked Picard he never pulled that bullshit and he never let the senior staff influence him or take bad advice I thought pike was a to the book kinda of captain he gave a power cell to a primitive undeveloped humans on Stargate that shit happened and the used the power source for war

[@connect-r]

MB Voice makes me punch the monitor

[@Ripps8519]

Good Job

[@mattbrown817]

Give us the Kelpian

[@Ship-security]

There's something about Will Wheaton..........wasn't always there but it's definitely there now and I don't like it.

[@crackwitz]

oh how I loathe wil wheaton

[@elanderan1104]

I gave up on Discovery. I used to watch it hoping for something good or to make fun of it. I got bored so now I'm just waiting for the new season of The Orville.

[@ОлеЛукойле]

BLM - free to ba’ul !

[@louiscachet7681]

The Sheliak were creepier.

[@Nofarewell]

You cut this video to support your logical fallacy. The real interaction goes: Saru: "Yo cannot maintain what you think of as peace by continuing to cull us. Kelpiens are more than our instincts!" Ba'ul: "You are the only two Kelpiens to know the truth. You will undergo analysis and be neutralized. The truth will be contained." So the Ba'ul ADMITS they know the truth that Kelpiens could and can be more than their primal instincts, but genocide is more convenient to them. 🤷🏻‍♂ So the question is, how does that make them right? Also, the consequence that saving an entire race from systemic genocide causes a catastrophe is another logical fallacy.

[@cholodelrosari0543]

*Bauls in the 23rd century:* "You Federation fools, you do not know the potential danger of the Kelpians, not only to ours but to the entire galaxy, Mark our words" *Then 8 centuries later, The Burn happen caused by a Kelpian screaming* *Nomad Bauls in the 32nd century, that were exiled because they didnt like co existence between Bauls and Kelpians:* "We told you so"

[@Kilonovae]

Everyone cries about The Burn but just glosses over the one episode in TNG where some alien wipes out an entire species because he was sad his wife died. Yall are just hypocrites.

[@unclefranklin4575]

He didn't wipe out an entire alien race using a super-scream, powered by some random science babble. And nobody in Starfleet had any involvement in what happened, they weren't even there. I don't think you understand why people are complaining.

[@Kilonovae]

@unclefranklin4575 Congratulations, that's a cop out. The situation js the same. Psychic dude bummed some large society caused the death of a loved one so lashes out and does some damage.

[@unclefranklin4575]

@@Kilonovae again, nobody's going after it for that. I can't find a single comment where someone's complaining about it for the reasons you described. It's that Starfleet is helping Saru do this and the incoherent way they're doing it.

[@DrCuriensapprentice]

I got seriously pissed off with this episode, the federation had interfered with the balance of this planet, we know later on that the Ba’ul and Kelpians managed to unite but it could’ve been horror, the prime directive is considered sacrosanct but is wilfully violated all the time.