Star Trek Discovery - First Time Using Spore Drive in Battle - HD

[@Fleshox19-uz3qt]

I felt the scene was brilliant. A colony far from Federation space under attack, and when their defences finally give in with no hope left, Discovery just appears. Lorca was excellent in how handled the situation and at the last minute they jump and destroyed the rest of those pesky Klingons. Brilliantly done.

[@stevehintz3296]

First use of the Spore drive as a weapon!

[@Fleshox19-uz3qt]

@@stevehintz3296 I never thought of it like that. But you're right though.

[@aaronmccombs4966]

Nah...still crap

[@phantomwraith1984]

I really wish they kept him as the captain throughout the whole series. I loved the premise of someone from the mirror universe being a good captain for the federation

[@boobs39]

Certainly had a better feel to it this first season !

[@raven4k998]

500 kilometer is so inaccurate it should be 500 meters makes the Klingons much closer as they appear in combat and makes the battle seem more serious and dangerous

[@phantomwraith1984]

@raven4k998 what?

[@robertroud327]

I agree, since the Federation was in a knife fight with the Klingons they needed a Warrior not an Explorer.

[@raven4k998]

@@robertroud327 still does not change why they cannot tell distances correctly in a battle they are 500 kilometers away basically on the in another province or state away from where they are on the planet I mean seriously 500 or 1000 meters makes more sense and ads to the suspense of the scene making them seem so far away they are no threat is stupid

[@akiro9635]

Mirror Universe tactics at its best Captain Lorca R.I.P.

[@raven4k998]

gotta love how dumbo can make the magic mushroom drive and stamits cant because

[@JimmytNoob25]

Many hate on Lorca but the truth is that he was the kind of captain the Federation needed during the Klingon war, fighting fire with Fire 🔥

[@MrMikellsof88]

To be fair those that "hate Lorca" actually just hate what was done to the character. The hacks writing the show had a chance to show us how a war with the Klingons would have resulted in a temporary switch away from the traditional Star Trek captain to show us captains who had been hardened by that war. They threw all of that out the window to give us the moustache-twirling fake mirror universe story instead.

[@jasonx9591]

Yes, but those hacks have to push THE MESSAGE over anything, those of us saw Lorca for what he was, one of the best startrek characters in years... @@MrMikellsof88

[@FutureReverberations]

Nope. I thought he was very cool.

[@John-Smith-999]

Really? I thought he was the only decent character in the show

[@stevenw.miguel]

@@John-Smith-999 They really screwed the pooch with him. Burnham was the weakest character they had and they could have made it his show. Instead, they created this machine of tokenism and backhanded racism/homophobia

[@explorer47422]

You know I came to realise not a single person was penalised for effectively torturing an enslaved sentient creature. There was a Voyager episode where the Doctor refused to use knowledge obtained through torturing and murdering Bajorans, sad how many steps back Trek took.

[@raven4k998]

or for being to stupid to understand distance because 500 kilometers takes 5 hours or travel at 60 miles per hour to travel those birds of prey do not look 500 kilometer's away 1 or 2 kilometers away at most

[@bobagorof]

They did eventually find a way to use a willing subject, but you're right. No-one faced any consequences for their actions prior.

[@bill7778]

This isn't Trek, but you knew that.

[@phelimridley6727]

@explorer47422 But that's what Star Trek does best, prompt the audience into thought. Personhood, rights, agency, power have all been used as topic material in ST since the episode, The Cage.

[@dracodraco1982]

>.> Who got in trouble for creating a bio weapon that threatened xenocide of the Founders; and what repercussions were there fot Sisko, when he use a weapon to render the atmosphere of an entire planet lethal to humans? Picard was willing to relocate a population against their will, because those were his orders, if memory serves. Even the noblest of leaders can be foolish, wrong, or cruel. Even the worst of villains can have a shadow of decency, virtue, or compassion. Personally, I've less an issue with the tardigrade (though very much an issue) than bio-warfare, genocide/xenocide, and forced relocation of entire populations. At least with the tardigrade, the misery of one spares the miserable deaths of billions or trillions. Doesn't make it right, but sometimes -- and these times are thankfully rare -- but sometimes nonetheless, one must choose between the monstrous and the unforgiveable. But yeah, there still ought to be punishment, lest fools and mad men imagine they're in such situations often, believing that renders them wholly beyond the grasp of justice and freed from all restraints. >.o Trek has a nasty habit of not circling back and really dealing with the messes left behind, but it ain't unique to Discovery.

[@nws_of_cushing_ok7188]

Who needs warp drive when you can teleport almost anywhere in the galaxy in less than 1 second.

[@alluringming]

Basically a jump drive if you think about it, quiet few franchises use it. But i dont know the entire mechanics of the spore drive when compairing to jump drives

[@Starjumper2821]

@@alluringming Pretty sure most jump drives need you to compute stuff about the destination (example: Galactica) or have some other limitation on the range. Spore drive, once tardigrade is in play in some form, literally covers AT LEAST their galaxy.

[@xXscreamingkoalaXx]

@@Starjumper2821 The navigator still needs to navigate. Which isn't always easy.

[@temi19]

@@Starjumper2821 It covers the galaxy and every version of that galaxy, but in recent episodes it doesn't reach beyond the point of the Milky Way. Also the navigator has to direct the ship along the spores. Another issue that plagues the type 2 spore drive from becoming mainstream.

[@lieutenantdata7156]

@@temi19 I mean in Star Trek there’s always a solution, They will manage to make a drive that doesn’t need anyone and it does cover more than our galaxy So In answer the spore drive is perfect

[@alluringming]

You know the spore drive reminds me of a few version of jump drives that i've seen. Battletech, Wing commander, and battlestar galactica

[@Aerroon]

The idea of a spore drive reminds me of Andromeda's slipstream.

[@alluringming]

@@Aerroon Wow someone here remembers that series. ^^

[@MisterLimeLemon]

reminds me of the jump drive in Stellaris ;D

[@grigss3027]

Bsg needs way more prep and is extremely range limited

[@fubar5884]

FTL is only range "limited" in the BSG universe partly for ship & crew safety, so you don't end up inside a star or a gravity well etc. Partly 'because plot', and partly because the tech of Galactica universe seems to contradict itself and not in a way that makes sense. The tech seems sci-fi in one area, like having massive ships traveling faster than light. Yet they use other tech that seems outdated to even our modern real-world Earth. Imagine asking a bunch of 80s era computers to compute the X/Y/Z coordinates for an FTL jump, they'd probably just display a frowny face and kill themselves. Galactica survived due to Adama refusing to have any type of networked computers, and Pegasus survived by doing this exact thing; a long range blind jump far past the red line.

[@johnwang9914]

Note that the use of the water bear indicates that whatever the organic part does, it doesn't have to be voluntary nor can the organic portion normally affect the navigation. In general, the spore drive is an abstraction of how we've found that a communal mycelium network forms in the floor of forests from the numerous number of fungi that live in a forest and this mycelium network actually transports resources to where they are needed. Of course, this transport is slow and can only be called much faster than not being transported at all or requiring animals to distribute the resources (which does happen through feces) so it would hardly be FTL, now presumably the mycelium network is through something other than normal space and time and may be responsible for habitable space and time just as ancient fungi are responsible for creating fertile organic soil, allowing plants to evolve. Recent mycelium research also hypothesized that the transport of needed resources is perhaps an indication of some level of intelligence and the complex mycelium network is similar to neural networks hence there may be a mycelium intelligence that spans the entire forest. I'm disappointed that Discovery never capitalized on the Mycelium intelligence hypothesis, though communicating with such an intelligence would be like a bacteria that got into our bodies, communicating with our intellect, the world of the mycelium intelligence'e view of the world and the actions it can take are on a vastly different scale than that of our own perceptions and actions.

[@skyeplus]

"I'm disappointed that Discovery never capitalized on the Mycelium intelligence hypothesis." Me too. The mechanism of travel it seems to include quantum entanglement, but I'm not sure what's the exact explanation for it's nature is. The obvious choice would be quantum teleportation between two points, while the mycelium network had already done the job of spreading quantum entangled particles across the Universe or even the Multiverse. But it might be a beacon for tunneling type of teleportation. I don't know. But it's a fascinating concept nethertheless.

[@justinbrown3053]

So to teleport they need to attach nipple clamps to a giant water bear?

[@Brasswatchman]

More like nipple piercings. With spikes. But yeah.

[@BeardsleyMark]

I never saw this series, but did they enslave a sentient being to unwillingly give them the ability to travel faster than warp drive? Or was it a non-sentient being that knew all of the coordinates of thousands of planets? Not sure which idea this supports...

[@explorer47422]

@@BeardsleyMark They found out they were sentient, and not a single person was penalised for torturing an enslaved sentient creature

[@malkeus6487]

​@@explorer47422I guess the sentient navigator bit explains why it's not in use anymore. Did they keep using it after they found out it was sentient for a while or something?

[@sarcasticguy4311]

@@explorer47422 And that's exactly why this show sucks.

[@sirsyncalot9147]

Spore drive was just such a damn cool idea

[@deathstrike]

This is similar to a Star Trek (non canon) novel named "Crossroads". The TOS Enterprise finds an extremely battered and damaged Constitution Class Starship near the "Turtledove Anomalies". They create something called Mu Spectrum Radiation. That's how Spock described it. Turns out the ship (very light spoiler) contains something called the "Psion Drive". It is a biological drive where a creature called a Yagghorth is coupled to an individual with Psionic abilities. The pair can take a starship of any size (At least big enough to accommodate a Yagghorth) and deliver to any place in the galaxy in mere seconds. This is speculated to be due to the more expanded intelligence of the Yagghorth, and it's perception of reality. A Yagghorth can receive images of a planet from a species like Vulcans/Betazoids/others and since the Yagghorth considers the ship and crew its "nest mates" it will take them all to wherever the Psychic shows it to go. It's downside is it's devastating effects to the being coupled to the Yagghorth. The coupling often damages the mind of its user, making them basically go insane from exposure to the natural Mu Spectrum radiation that the Yagghorth creates. Using this drive, the Federation (of the time) has dominated and is using many of it's former enemies (Klingons/Romulans/Vulcans) with notes that Romulans and Klingons especially make "damn good officers". I highly recommend the book! It will explain more than I can.

[@artembentsionov]

There are also elements of the Holtzman drive from Dune and slipstream from Andromeda in it. Both require an organic pilot to find a safe path

[@Grimlock794]

Lorca "Initiate Death Blossom."

[@NerdsmithTV]

Greetings, Starfighter. You have been recruited by the Star League to defend the frontier against Xur and the Ko-Dan armada!

[@TheOurpleMan]

Spore jumps are probably among my favorite if im being honest, just my opinion lol Those children may or may not ever know who their savior was

[@raven4k998]

shame they have no clue of how to read distance accurately in this show 1000 kilometers away 500 my ass they are meters away from the hull at best not anywhere near 500 or 1000 kilometers away if they where no one could see them let alone be hit from weapons fire

[@TheOurpleMan]

@@raven4k998 at this point ive gone past my st phase and now I completely do not understand what you said here lmfao :sob:

[@raven4k998]

@@TheOurpleMan I was talking about distance not star trek I was bitching about how the writers and cgi guys are to stupid to do distances in the scenes listen to the chick saying the Klingons are 1000 kilometers away that's basically in another state if your American there's no way you would see the Klingons attacking the shit let alone them attacking the ship they should have made it more like 5 kilometers away at most and closing to mere meters away from the ship they fucked up the writing nothing more nothing less

[@brians9508]

@@raven4k998 they are cranking these episodes out and the cgi guys are far removed from the writers is my guess - two completely different buidlings - maybe even completely different states. by the time they are putting the final thing together there is no time left (or more likely, no money left) to fix it.

[@brians9508]

those children are part of a TV show. pretty sure the writers didn't give them a second thought. they were a mere device to move the plot forward.

[@garlowe8565]

He may have been evil, but Lorca was one of the best captains in Starfleet.

[@jwC-zk3vd]

Where was this technology when Voyager was stuck in the Delta Quadrant?

[@pendrake40]

*@jw2399 C ~* After the destruction of the USS Glenn [DIS season 01], and the apparent loss of the USS Discovery [DIS s02], the Spore Drive technology was deemed too unstable and too unreliable for further use. So the Federation Science Council and Starfleet Command discontinued further development/use of Spore Drive technology, Classified all information/knowledge of the Spore Drive, and sealed away any Spore Drive hardware-tech in deep storage. As a result, the Spore Drive technology was forgotten for centuries, until the arrival of the USS Discovery to Federation HeadQuarters in the 32nd Century (ST-year: 3189). Put another way, the Federation & Starfleet did with the Spore Drive, what the U.S. Government did with the _Ark of the Covenant_ in *[Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981 film)];* boxed up the _Ark_ and stored it away, ignorant of the literally _Divine Power_ they left to gather dust. Hope this helps explain/clarify. *:)*

[@akiro9635]

shelved thanks to Captain pike erasing all data on discovery an classifying her lost

[@rougestarlight4308]

In another universe

[@MrMikellsof88]

@@pendrake40 No it doesn't. Section 31's mandate is dictates "at any cost." They 100% would have dug up the tech and implemented it during the Dominion War. This is the hole writers sink themselves in when they introduce previously unseen tech in a goddamn prequel series and then try to justify their way out of why it has never been seen before. Want to introduce fancy new tech? Fine. Do a SEquel.

[@pendrake40]

@@MrMikellsof88-- That is a debatable point. *;)* Remember, almost all data/information about the Spore Drive died with Control. So as far as the Federation and Section 31 knew, the Spore Drive was a failed project. And while S-31 are indeed willing engage in amoral actions in following their mandate, S-31 also would not have any motivation to dig up Spore Drive technology if they thought it worthless. As said in my previous Reply-comment, it is the same mentality with the _Ark of the Covenant_ from *[Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) film],* the U.S. Government did not believe the _Ark's_ power was real, and thus packed the _Ark_ into a crate and stored away to be forgotten, even by themselves. To be clear, I am not fond of the way ST:DIS has handled its storytelling and its characters; and I think the whole "Mycelial Drive & Realm" premise to be eye-rollingly awful. And I too also agree that DIS could have (should have) begun as a sequel series (32nd Century) instead of a prequel series (22nd Century). All we can do is grit our teeth at Alex Kurtzman for wanting to try to overwrite/RetCon Roddenberry Trek with his own "Kurtz Trek" (cannot stand Kurtzman's label of "NuTrek").

[@amangartia8415]

When I watched star trek discovery season 3 I was in doubt why did star fleet stop development of spore drive. It was far better solution than warp drives for travel in space.

[@Treffaut]

Fragile supply chain, fussy technology, seemingly higher chances of slipping into the Mirror Universe. Any of the three would be a major problem.

[@stevenw.miguel]

It’s because it was a weak plot device the writers of the show didn’t scrap when they had the chance

[@RandoWisLuL]

@@stevenw.miguel for the Trek/Wars argument, spore drive means hyperspace is childs play. It already had a limit of warp 7 in the Trek universe, but spore drive exceeds warp 10 which means it also surpasses the speed of hyperspaces theoretical max speed, hyperspace 0.0.

[@blairbrown4812]

Presumably, The Secret of Spore Drive was buried along with the Discovery and her crew when she traveled into the future.

[@ChristopherG1990]

They actually established the moral implications such as animal cruelty, human augmentation which is frowned upon as far as the 25th century, and of course the incursion into the realm of those non corporeal entities that live in the network. In season 4 they barely got a next gen prototype functioning.

[@Renserin]

Lorcas may have been a jackass, but this scene was still one of those times when you want you jump up and yell "YES!"

[@raven4k998]

and the best part is that he got killed off for being a mirror character you think he would have learn a thing ow two from starfleet to be even more of a badass but nope😭😭😭😭😭

[@catvn4651]

Feel horrible when i saw how the people death in uss glenn :(

[@antman8818]

I know Janeway would lose her mind at this because she chased down a captain because they were using lifeforms to boost their warp drive

[@kotk05]

2:09 Director: "Just stand there making a weird face at the tardigrade"

[@eme.261]

Weird? Are you incapable of recognizing the distress of empathy for a sentient being that's essentially being tortured?

[@acx1337]

@@eme.261 oh yes they needed to milk the tard to make warp juice ... i watched the whole clip with the same face. lmao

[@eme.261]

@@acx1337 - Interesting.

[@markoprskalo6127]

2:12 Marshal Zhukov in star trek

[@Doomsquad99]

You know you essential when during a battle you can just stand around staring inquisitively at the things going on around you while taking no action.

[@raven4k998]

shame they are so fucked up on drugs they cannot figure out the distances the birds of prey are from the ship at most at most 5 kilometers away in some scenes maybe to at minimum a few meters away from the hull no where near the 1000 or 500 kilometers away from the hull they are saying from their drug induced hallucinations it's amazing they can hit anything with weapons fire with how screwed they are on drugs man in this scene

[@Vuongiam]

What strategy was it to teleport away, hoping the enemy ships would be destroyed…. Theyd have to confirm enemy ships destroyed after teleporting away… and then having to come back if they weren’t. And the bomb right over the settlement of humans is dangerous at that distant. Looked like the Discovery took out two enemy vessel upon entry.. why didn’t they continue firing on the other ships…. Just my opinion..

[@nigelft]

If I were to hazard a guess, the Captain knew at which angles the two enemy ships was attacking Discovery ... even in this weird universe where space travel can be done via a galactic mycelium network, physics still applies ... So by jumping out at a precise time, the two enemy ships were on an unavoidable collision course ... As for the bomb ... well, if those two ships are powered by 'mere' fission reactors, the EMP from the two exploding would disarm the bomb by frying its electronic systems, rendering it dead ... As for the other ships, perhaps those attacking the Discovery were the last two, having destroyed the rest ... I haven't watched 'ST: Discovery' yet, but my guess it's 'deus ex machina' writ large, and way beyond the usual techno-babble ... Off-topic; having watched reviews of the show, what the hell with the Klingons ...?

[@Taintedmini]

The simple answer, as with most of this show, is bad writing, by utterly incompetent writers, with no regard for Star Trek, or the continuity within said franchise.

[@drmayeda1930]

@@nigelft Kliungon's are from a different race or something like that.

[@derkylos]

Not to mention the survivors on the ground coming out seconds after the enemies are destroyed. Get saved just to be crushed under burning debris...

[@michaelswanson2850]

@@nigelft just a thought, from the klingons point of view... how would the absence of the enemy target cause a collision course, like, if they didn't use the spore drive, wouldn't they first crash into Discovery? They could have gone for full ramming speed like Worf at 359 but were they deperate? To me they seemed pretty confident.

[@pathutchison9866]

Thea crew acts more like a high school pep squad than any star fleet crew I’ve ever seen.

[@robf228]

It's was a science vessel.

[@richardmcbroom3925]

Really liked Lorca, as combat captains go he was a good one 👍

[@GMJ-rc9nk]

Awhh season 1, before it went woke, we miss u

[@OriginalMergatroid]

Single handedly taking the TV franchise from science fiction to science fantasy. The only dumber thing in Star Trek was JJ using the transporter to go across light years. These people are toxic poison to Star Trek.

[@acx1337]

the only difference between star trek and star wars nowadays are the ships. all else is just same recycled garbage

[@hippiehillape]

My brother in Christ, all of this is fantasy. You quibble over the technical aspects of a science that doesn't exist at all

[@amei_G80_BmwM3]

My question is… why not shoot the last Klingon bird instead of teleporting away , sen could’ve been over in like 20 Seconds

[@TheCormTube]

Yeah no logic there sitting stationery not firing and letting them batter your shields.

[@niallmarsay]

maby energy was fully diverted to wepons because there were no attackers in play givving discovery cleen kills but as soon as disscovery droped in they re ballensed there energy systems and so discovery needed another suprise @@TheCormTube

[@drmayeda1930]

@@TheCormTube There was a reason. He wanted the Klingon ships to come in closer. The Klingon ships were closing on the discovery. The ship used the spore drive to jump out and the three ships crashed into each other, and firing at point blank range.

[@aziris7257]

@@drmayeda1930 That doesn't explain why he wanted the klingon ships to come closer. They shot the first two in just a couple of seconds. They could've very well shot the other three before the shields were gone. There is no need to wait for them to come close to use the spore drive on them.

[@ApocGuy]

@@aziris7257i think that first two were collision with federation ship shields. as for rest of them, i think captain said; "i'll give them a show they'll never forget" . more of a superiority statement than inability to shot down those BOP's 600 kilometers away...

[@Arondeight]

You know, if Mirror Lorca had decided to stay in the Prime universe, help the Federation win the war, and then guide the Federation through Section 31 to prepare for future threats like the Romulans, Klingons, Borg, Dominon, etc, it'd have been cool and appropriate. I came to like Lorca, and I thought it a shame he died for such lack of substance. He tasted the potential of the Federation, and spurned it. At least Georgiou came to embrace it in a manner, and it helped save her life.

[@90arstef]

Lorca was the biggest missed opportunity in my opinion. There were so many possibilities with that character, and in the end they just made him a standard mustache-twirling villain.

[@Arondeight]

@@90arstef What's sad is that they never used the Federation universe Lorca. He's just assumed dead. And now we'll never know.

[@LinkTardis]

​@@Arondeighti asked Jason if he would ever come back as prime Lorca, he said he couldn't tell me even if he wanted to. And with strange new worlds being a thing now....maybe he can?

[@8749236]

@@LinkTardis Hopefully, however I remember I saw a report that claims Jason left because he don't like the plot.

[@Forgotten1]

Man Lorca is so badass!

[@NUSORCA]

I don’t want to see some random person sympathizing a water bear when human lives are threatened

[@austinm5630]

I've always found it strange that people like to sh*t on the Spore Drive. This is the same franchise where Voyager took 11 years to cross the Delta Quadrant - which is a QUADRANT, i.e. 1/4 of the Milky Way - but the TNG Enterprise can apparently fly at Transwarp Infinity any time it's off screen because it's always exactly where it needs to be in 3 different quadrants for this week's episode. If it was sticking with Voyager's realism, the Enterprise-D would've had to be in service for about 140 years, but in canon it didn't make it 20 before they made it a museum. Which is to say that you may think the Spore Drive is a bad solution to the "ship is always where the plot needs it to be" problem, but it's a better solution than TNG had, which is no solution at all. As for this clip, you can make the argument that Lorca is violating the Prime Directive by utilizing the Tardigrade. I'd agree. You can't say a creature that can interface with a starship and navigate a galaxy-spanning tunnel network by itself isn't sentient, and what is being done to it is most certainly "interfering." However, there's a loophole here: Lorca is not human. He may be a member of Federation Starfleet, but that is only by his own duplicity. As a Terran, he has never sworn to uphold the Prime Directive because Imperial Starfleet doesn't HAVE a Prime Directive. As for everyone else on the ship...yeah that's another story. "Just following orders" is no more a valid excuse in 2250 than it is today.

[@EllRatioBozo]

Also, adding onto the prime directive bit, later on, Stamets basically modifies his DNA to work with the drive. It wasn't about the directive at the time either, the Federation was at war, and possibly on a losing side. Starfleet's whole thing is "Whatever means necessary" in this case.

[@jamesknight3070]

I always read a little further into the Section 31 presence onboard as being the justification for operating outside the Prime Directive. Season 1 went through rewrites so perhaps that was the original intention prior to deciding that Lorca was Terran and thus "evil".

[@_cybik]

Technically they were still under General Order One. The Prime Directive came into being only after Discovery f*cked off to the future.

[@WilfredIvanhoe]

Why let the enemy almost shoot the ship to pieces and then perform such a needless maneuver when they could just have continued to blast them with phasers?

[@Z-bone64]

Is the tartigrade a willing participant?

[@MrGust1964]

Lorca, great captain!

[@flybeep1661]

So wait, they arrive and take out 3 birds in less than a second with phasers and then they to do this whole convoluted BS thing with the spore drive and leaving bombs behind to kill 3 other birds?? Yeah ok if you want to create some tension for the scene but this is just shitty writing. Actions make no sense.

[@xXscreamingkoalaXx]

It's a subtle hint that Lorkan is a Terran. It's the kind of thing a Terran would do.

[@lordwind9745]

A possible explanation was that the Klingons knew the colony had no weapons, so they directed all power from shields to weapons in order to speed up their attack, hence why they all got taken out by one hit. Though I do agree that it seems unreasonable to not also fire weapons whilst they’re closing in.

[@usfbull523]

@@lordwind9745 this the only explanation that makes the scene make sense! The first 3 were caught off guard with shields down; the last three were more tricky because they would have had time to raise shields, and Lorca already anticipated this; so he “left a surprise” instead of bothering to fight them 3 on 1

[@shepardbook]

I miss Captain Malfoy!

[@stupidevilmanguy]

Cool scene but they had to use nipple clamps on the tardigrade? Maybe it is how Stamets already interacted with the Discovery computer or he had the spare parts laying around

[@andrewdow1609]

So Sar Trek has sunk so low, that they enslaved an sentient being, and sucked out its power from its nipples. I am so glad I have never watched this series.

[@lawrencemanning]

There’s a bucket load of other reasons why you’re best off not watching this shitshow, don’t worry.

[@tonalvibrancy]

The ethics of this are indeed addressed later in the series, as is evidenced by Michael Burnham's expression of distaste and shock.

[@RionE23]

So wait.. how did the Klingon ships just suddenly explode.. this show makes zero sense

[@casbot71]

As opposed to just taking advantage of the suprise factor when they jumped in and opening fire with all their powerful conventional weapons.

[@OpenMawProductions]

For just a moment here, Discovery had some promise. The crew was working together as a unit. They saved the day as heroes, and there was the hint of the moral complexity of what they were doing. Sadly the show shit the bed, and just kept on shitting itself until it was a big mountain of poop. I really didn't like the "twist" of Lorca being a mirror universe guy. He was much more interesting as a scarred war veteran with PTSD and a hard-ass persona.

[@ActualFandom]

I know that if pressed you could not describe why this is the case. In fact the show kept getting better to many many fans, and was able to overcome the issues its first season suffered. But once someone has their hate glasses on...

[@daviddavid5880]

The USS Eyestrain

[@skyeplus]

"Who saved us?" Somebody who were erased from history.

[@miwittwer]

hitting the Bird of Preys right after comming out of the jump may look cool but doesn't make any sense, and why stop firing phasers when they are so easy to kill.

[@byteme007]

This is so cool.

[@Starpixelart]

One upon the time, one ship one ship can appearing any place on universe. 😅 Sounds like fairly tale to me 😅.

[@jjohn713]

Remember when the idea of using a Tardigrade in this series was later found out that the idea was stolen from someone else and they were sued? Pepperidge Farms remembers.....

[@BrianGriffinQuahog]

Anas Abdin. He lost both the primary case and the appeal. Problem was that his suit was too broad in it's reasoning.

[@alucard624]

@@BrianGriffinQuahog Also because CBS/Paramount has better lawyers unfortunately. Same happened to the Star Trek fan film community where it was pretty much shut down for good in regards to high quality productions. God forbid those productions were better than so called ''official" Star Trek.

[@Starpixelart]

A one more time cap. Gabriel Lorca is a giant best cap in fleet, like James Kirk.😮

[@ericdavies1879]

Seeing as at the end off next generation they the dilithium warcore was causing pollution I guess I guess Riders have to get with the times and come up with a green way of traveling through space

[@Warg666]

Korriban II must be another world near Korriban I, the Sith Home world from Star Wars!~

[@michaeldoyle2725]

He’ll let your command ship gets blown out from under you

[@АльфияКочетова-ы1ж]

Здравствуйте Уважаемый, но вы не ту кабину заняли

[@Brother-Ivan]

Why was she destroyed?

[@stevehintz3296]

Yeah. Season 1 had some dark points to it.

[@sarcasticguy4311]

Explain to me how this is NOT Star Trek DEI. Explain to me how this scene is not them breaking the Prime Directive.

[@scotthullinger4684]

ANY and ALL current day iterations of Star Trek are lacking in the extreme. The last of the good, GREAT, or at least acceptable was Star Trek Voyager. Voyager was plenty good, for damn sure, but sort of in the middle of the pack. The downhill trend began with Star Trek Enterprise.

[@deanwhite7552]

Lt Staments should be Court Martial for harming a non human being with a experimental jump drive.... IMO now JAG on the other hand is biting at the leash for a Article 15 and judgement for a penal colony...

[@drsreeramvenugopal1238]

Lorca could have been one of the greatest captains along Picard and Kirk. Shame that they killed the character for a silly reason.

[@m.hernandez1404]

Tardigrades, aka water bears, can survive in the vacuum of space.

[@daquake]

For 500km away… they seem pretty f’n close.

[@Axemantitan]

It's kind of annoying how long it took them to come to the colony's aid. People are dying and Stamets is fangirling over the tardigrade's memory capacity and Lorca is asking the crew (trained military officers) if they feel OK instead of giving the order to jump.

[@Wizardof]

so this pizza cutter is technically a trans warp ship with a transwarp drive. IT is infinite velocity, no? No benamite rocks needed. Really DISCO was the first to cross warp 10 velocity, not "walking hormone" Paris...

[@Nova_Astral]

Well it wasn't a warp drive, so no, not really

[@akiro9635]

thats not warp thats Mycynial network spore travel basically mushroom travel the ship not even movin or movin light speed it basically a ship with access to infinite tiny wormholes

[@erichanastacio9695]

It's more like folding space... It can jump from Alpha Quadrant to Beta Quadrant and back.... If only Voyager have this technology... We won't have a seven-year show. LOL 😂😂😂

[@murrethmedia]

I knew this show was bad, I had no idea how bad it was until watching this video...

[@pgress1867]

They stole the drive from „The Hitchhiker‘s Guide through the Galaxy“.

[@waynemclean1799]

The show didn’t suck as badly in season 1.

[@UnusedChar]

how to tell it's been written by americans? they say KILOMETERS instead of meters. at those distances they shouldn't even be in visual range

[@jinanshmehta3518]

Bruh, sub space and blah blah. Also, this is set 200 years into the future. Discovery is also a testbed for loads of experimental technology. Who knows what kind of sensors and scanners they have on board?

[@sheetpostmodernist398]

@@jinanshmehta3518 That's not the issue, those ships are close enough you could lean out the window and hit them with a thrown rock. The distances they were spouting were nonsensical based on the visuals.

[@raymondreddington8109]

Lorca was the best

[@bekaralien009]

This Series make me curious about our future...what will happen in 3023... I wish I could know somehow 🥴

[@mazdamaniac4643]

The spinny parts go spin spin spin weeeeeee and the ship does a barrel roll and drops off the screen! Such wow! Bestest visual effect ever! I'm, of course, kidding. It's total crap and the whole thing (including torture of an alien lifeform to make it all work) is not Star Trek in the slightest.

[@andromedaone3640]

Finally accepted now it's nearly over, it took a long time because the technology did not fit the era but now they are nearly a thousand years into the future and had future upgrades ime starting to prefer this over strange new worlds. Pike was good in season two of Discovery but in SNW they have him acting drippy and La'an is more like a captain they got the image right for SNW but what the hell is going on with the writing Discovery will come out on top. If they think the fans can't ever be pleased it's because the new guy's and gals in charge are not researching all the older material they need to listen to people like Alec Peter's and 90s alum of writing staff and director's, its all over the shop. 🧐

[@SeaScoutDan]

They one shot 2 birds of prey in 1 second. Could have shot down the other 5 birds of prey. No need to take punches till 20% shields.

[@evangus2193]

Federation ships are the crappiest things ever made in the universe... one shot and the "shield" drops to half

[@1978rharris]

Or maybe Klingon weapons are superior and always being upgraded. This is likely, considering the belligerent nature of the Klingons in general.

[@erichanastacio9695]

Big as they are... Discovery should have stronger shields.

[@flopofshame2582]

This is why this show is not trek canon. Only one person on a starfleet ship had a problem with the torture of a sentient lifeform? Really? Poorly written trash

[@jamesknight3070]

Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges

[@djgualtiermaldeCO]

Some people will call this animal torture...

[@robertkensler2156]

It a freakin television sjow....

[@BoopSnoot]

I know we are supposed to hate straight yt guys but honestly he was the best captain. After episode 3 the show was unwatchable.

[@ninjaraph]

Ok, so star trek is into nipple play now. How the mighty have fallen

[@thiagodeandrade7081]

Has anyone outside ever found out that the Federation had a technology way beyond what Warp Drives have to offer?

[@EternalScarecrow]

The Borg had Transwarp tech. Q just snaps his fingers and is wherever he wants to be. That's more an ability than a tech, though. But there was also The Collector, who snatched up Voyager in the beginning of her long voyage, and just unceremoniously dropped her off wherever. That used a technology we never scratched the surface of as well.

[@drmayeda1930]

@@EternalScarecrow Voyager was grabbed by the CARETAKER. His mate left him and he was dying. He was searching for a compatible lifeform he could breed with to create a new batch of caretakers to care for the Ocampans living under ground. He was also making preparations to seal their colony off from hostile races like the Kazon.

[@thiagodeandrade7081]

@@drmayeda1930 Yes, but has someone ever found out about the Federation?

[@thiagodeandrade7081]

@@EternalScarecrow Sure, but has someone ever found out about the Federation technology?

[@drmayeda1930]

@@thiagodeandrade7081 Yes, many of the civilizations in the Delta quadrant like the Kazon, and a few others. Janeway doesn't hide the fact. from more advanced races.

[@josephclark4153]

Cool concept but they borrowed the entire premise from Dune which was a Time entity trapped in a cube 🧐

[@Gribold]

Jesus, this show is dire

[@Bondoz007]

Featuring Hallmark heartthrob Christopher Russell at 3:03

[@altoncapps]

Lorca was a villain, and deserved to die, but did one thing right.

[@jasonjones7461]

Also...wait voyager literally already did this. They come across a lowly starfleet science vessel that is stranded with them and then find out they are torturibg an alien species and using them to travel at a crazy faster than warp speed. Star trek voyager literally did this already and did it better. That's not a sentence anyone should ever have to say.

[@Arms872]

😢Oh the magic mushroom drive. This is why Disco sucks balls.

[@Gruffydom]

Ripped off someone else’s IP.

[@penguin44ca]

Love lorca

[@nickpond9337]

I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE Star Trek the Feberation Enterprise BREAK Warp Ten OR MAKE AN ! ARTEFISHAL ? Worm ~ Hole IN A FILM OR any OF THE T , V . Series BUT IT WILL PROABLE NEVER HAPPEN , Kirk could do it But since then it has been One Step forward and Two Back , now and again over the Years Decades we find Bits of things that help us BUT they allways prove to dangerous to keep or they are damaged some how! ? or just disapear in the next Story Line .

[@personalg3754]

This is not Star Trek

[@danielcraft1971]

This show would have been so much better without the Burnham character....

[@xaiano794]

Spore drive is so stupid, you can just magic-teleport anywhere, why bother having any colonies or anything, you can just magic teleport everything whenever you need it

[@sisko212]

Come on... it can't be hear... a spore drive engine... as if it were a pizza with mushrooms.

[@chrispile3878]

I tried to like this new series. I can't. I just can't.

[@grahamturner1290]

🖖

[@lawrencehawkins7198]

Captain Lorca. He wasn't Woke. Nuff Said.

[@owlontheprowl1657]

Discovery is the first Star Trek that actually makes me think and not just be entertained. Deep AF

[@lieutenantdata7156]

Ah no Tng Tos Ds9 and Vgr also make you think a lot, but this series is amazing for graphics battles and ships

[@kotk05]

Owl, TNG episode "Measure of a man", were you not thinking or were you giggling and chowing on pizza the whole time?

[@dannylesbile8592]

Kapla

[@cujoedaman]

I've seen some ugly ships in all my years of watching Star Trek, but Discovery is by far the worst. I'll take an Oberth class any day. At least that was useful.

[@sarcasticguy4311]

2:05 And they pay this chick to just stand here and look concerned? DAMN this show is SO BAD.

[@dixievfd55]

Adama did it better.

[@bashbrannigan]

Spore drive is easily the stupidest idea of Star Trek. As a huge fan of the show, I quit watching it after this.