Can The Tyranids Actually Be Defeated? | Warhammer 40k Lore

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The Tyranids are potentially the greatest threat to the entire Warhammer 40k setting - so that begs the question, can they actually be beaten?
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[@withlovefromlightindust591]

Hello Majorkill, Would you kindly make some lore videos on the Imperial Truth, the Imperial Creed, the Ecclesiarchy? Pretty please? Thank you.

[@Jawzah]

Rillen Epley might do a better job.

[@doomfan8603]

@@withlovefromlightindust591 "Would you kindly" bro just gave me flash backs

[@imquantum8009]

I much prefer your speculative, alternative fictional content than primarch history or notable astartes. Sorry but primarchs and astartes aren't that interesting in contrast to the entire setting. Even games workshop hasn't learned that.

[@TK199999]

In the newest Cawl lore book, Cawl has another way to stop the 'Nids using Black Stone. He said that even small amounts can be tuned to basically jam the Hive Mind on planetary or even solar system scale. Even if and when the Hive Mind adapts its appears Black Stone can be retuned and cause the effect again. Essentially psychic ECM techniques against the Hive Minds control. Since it doesn't appear the Hive Mind can permanently and completely adapt to the effect, only adapt to each frequency used in such an attack. Cawl suggested that if used at key moments in battle it could dispute the Hive Mind long enough for Imperial forces to strike mortal if not fatal blows. This would make the Hive Mind skittish and fearful of Black Stone attacks. So it would less aggressive and more methodical to try to mitigate such attacks. The other idea that has been obvious since the beginning and I guess hasn't been used since GW would find it too effective I guess. Is placing Exterminatus grade weapons on planets in the path of a Hive Fleet, but put on Deadman switch. The idea being that once a world falls to the 'Nids the weapon would go off denying the Hive Fleet biomass and destroying all the forces and the expended biomass on the planet. After happening few times this would effectively neutralize splinter fleets as they would have lost too much biomass to continue and have to go into hibernation. Now the Hive Mind would send in Genestealer cults or during attacks actively hunt down such devices to neutralize them. But they could be rigged to go off if tampered with by unauthorized personnel or by the 'Nids themselves. The chance of early detonation, especially in the beginning as this strategy is first used would still be a risk, but it would still make the 'Nids highly skittish and fearful. Since they would know that once they achieved victory they instantly lose and it would hearten defenders if they knew, even if they fall the 'Nid's still lose. Odds are the Hive Mind would be so fearful of such devices and tactics that it have to use Genestealer cults to almost exclusively to take over planets first, to make sure a world had no device or try to deactivate it if possible. Even if the Hive Mind created a new bioform to counter it, if its possible, would still be such a major investment in biomass and make it such obvious target for defenders. Makes it questionable how useful/effective such bioform would be. In the end such a strategy of use doomsday devices on Deadman switches, could also cause major change in behavior as the Hive Fleets would bypass or at least suppress rather than destroy/consume planetary defenders in order to get the rest its biomass transfer towers up. So it could absorb as much biomass from rest of the planet as possible without triggering such devices by killing to many of the planets defenders.

[@drunknnirish]

Vulkan comes back with the galaxies largest can of raid.

[@TheRewasder97]

As*

[@KaijuBiologist]

Vulkan and Leman Russ are the ones chasing the tyranids.

[@kirthedeathgodlike1801]

​@@TheRewasder97 Where would as be in this sentence

[@horpdorb40]

@@kirthedeathgodlike1801 replace "with" with "as"

[@kirthedeathgodlike1801]

@@horpdorb40 I don't think they mean vulkan is the raid I think their making a joke about him bringing a giant can of bug spray which is the name of one of those brand of bug spray

[@seasonallyferal1439]

I've always thought artillery filled with negatively charged black stone powder would kill the psy connection of the nids.

[@LiamDillen]

That is an interesting take but I thought negative blackstone was anti pykers warp based stuff, and that the nids were all psychic like mindflayer psychics based in reality but still able to influence it. as the shadow in the warp is specifically meant to screw over psykers just by sheer brain power

[@jakehinton732]

Just grind up black stone and "salt" a nuke with it. That would have a little more kick to it!

[@benjamintim3542]

Blackstone is an insanely rare resource for the Imperium, and not well understood, either. Grinding it up and slapping it in artillery would be a huge waste, and the Mechanicus would probably have an aneurysm

[@vid101.]

​​@@LiamDillenas far as I understand it the tyranids comunicate through the warp and this is what makes the shadow in the warp, its literaly an overwhelming amount of comunication literally filling the corelated warp space near hivefleets

[@logangrimnar3800]

If Blackstone functions like it did in the Eisenhorn series or like normal matter, then blowing it up or severely heating it would destroy whatever charge you gave to it. It normally requires an active input to get it to whatever charge you need from it, and breaking it just returns it to its neutral or inert state.

[@RedXlV]

The Nids will always have an unspecified but immense "main fleet" outside the galaxy so that regardless of how many Ws the other factions score, the threat will still be looming. After all this isn't Peacehammer 40k, the war is never meant to end.

[@SeedemFeedemRobots]

>war is never meant to end >proceeds to describe an inetvitiable a setting-ending event thank you very cool!

[@peterpan4038]

Exactly. Logically speaking the absurd number of Nids in even some of the smaller swarms should make any resistence pointless. The only reason they get defeated at the last moment again and again is the fact that Nids are meant to be "the enemy", hence the protagonists will always somewhat win the day. Even Chaos has a more defined character in the form of literal speaking, well Characters. Meanwhile Nids or the one faction that never allies with anything, they eat whatever stands in their way. Hence they behave less as a faction (within the lore), and more as a form of natural cosmic disaster.

[@CrniWuk]

>Peacehammer< Ok. Now I want a mirror-world of Warhammer, but where everything is about finding peacefull solutions. You will roll for "love" and "hugs".

[@codyvandal2860]

@@peterpan4038It's a good point. Literally every other faction has a vaguely 'humanoid' construction no matter how monstrous. They have cultures, and language, and are at least comprehensible (if repugnant) but the Nids are just full on cosmic horror

[@peterpan4038]

@@codyvandal2860 Yeah. And i really hope we never get all the answers to our Tyranid lore questions. Because the less you understand about cosmic horror, the scarier it just is (and vice versa!). A strange but nonetheless good example for this are the Borg in Star Trek. At first they didn't negotiate, didn't show any mercy, and simply attacked and assimilated everything and everyone they encountered. THAT was one hell of a scary threat. But over time we learned everything there is to know about them, we and the characters within the story itself figured everything out. Heck, we even got Borgs with personalities like their Queen. That's all really entertaining for a while, but it comes at the price of de-mystifying this unimaginable Threat. Result? The Borg aren't scary anymore, they have become nothing more than a regular old faction in Star Trek lore.

[@heeman1203]

the problem argument that the tyranids are OP if their main fleet arives is that every faction is way more OP once it achieves a certain goal. I don't think the tyranids want their main fleet to arive after; Orks turned back into Krorks, Eldar including drukari and harlequins get a complete Yinead, Necrons unite under the silent king, Chaos reaches Terra again ,or the imperium successfully heals the emperor, and brings him back as a true god or at least is put in a position where it can focus on one threat at a time.

[@omnissiahGaspar]

I think it would be cool if regardless of all that the Tyrannids can STILL push through, it's just a question of wether they want to dedicate the biomass and wether they can adapt faster than the galaxy can

[@TheChremix]

That is why Warhammer is awesome every faction is so OP that they cancel each other out

[@Santisima_Trinidad]

​@@TheChremix except the poor old tau, who are insanely powerful, but sre also like 7 planet's in the corner of the galaxy, occasionally biting at other factions heels and getting shaken off.

[@vid101.]

​@@Santisima_TrinidadIsnt it like 100 by now?

[@Skumm93]

@@vid101. Yes, a 100-planet-strong empire of hyper-advancing blue bois run by mind-controlling oligarchs. By 45k they'll basically be able to fuck up everyone and everything, but until then, they're kind just stuck

[@memeboi2096]

Or the necrons just go "ehhhhh, these things are messing with the balance if the galaxy." And suddenly poof goes the nids and the entire tenth if the galaxy their in.

[@Hurricayne92]

gotta love the Celestial Orrery

[@Saturnine21]

I don't know man... if the hive mind sends a shitload of nids to a sector, the crons super nova spam them, and just does this through different sectors of the galaxy, you might end up killing valuable sectors for what they thought was the main force. There could just be trillions or more of those bugs and we'd never know...

[@christiandauz3742]

Full power Horus would No-Sell the Orrey and wipe out the Tyranids, Orks, Necrons AND Eldar in just seconds!!!

[@Mastercio]

@@christiandauz3742 Yeah... riiiiiiight...

[@christiandauz3742]

@@Mastercio Both Horus and the Emperor went to Cthonia in the past THEN Cadia post-Heresy Tyranids and Necrons have no countet to such Time and Space powers!

[@poodlescone9700]

The Imperium needs to pull another Kryptman and lure the Tyranids into Commoragh. Then shut Commoragh off from the Webway.

[@chiefkeef74]

2 issues 1: getting there is a pain in the ass 2: The Khan is there.

[@Hurricayne92]

Commoragh is IN the webway so not sure how you're cutting it off

[@randomdude6446]

​@@Hurricayne92You can seal off sections of the web way

[@ahmedshaharyarejaz9886]

Counterpoint: Nids eat all Drukharii and turn into Super Zoanthropes that are now using the Webway to attack all around the Galaxy. Plus The Imperium is incapable of shutting off parts of the Webway. Only the Eldari can do such things.

[@KnightsWithoutATable]

@@ahmedshaharyarejaz9886 They have a device that can alter the Webway like that. It is just being used at the moment as a life support system for Big E and it takes somebody with the physical durability of a perpetual and/or the psychic might of a a being equal to a Primarch to operate safely, so finding a user takes bringing the Emperor of Mankind back to a significant level of his strength or finding another being of similar abilities that is willing to do it while also somehow also keeping Bid E from taking the D-train through the Warp to reset where he will be attacked by Chaos in his massively weakened and basically crippled state before he can use his powers as a perpetual to fix himself.

[@greasybumpkin1661]

"let's destroy the warp so all beings die and the Nids starve to death" Forerunners: bro you're not gonna believe it, but we have just the tool for this exact scenario.

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[@Finn-oj7rz]

thanks you saved me so much time

[@chrisestabrooks8197]

Lol

[@gotem123]

Fucking insane.

[@doomfan8603]

absolute legend. Thanks man!

[@RetractedandRedacted]

Must have taken ages getting those!

[@grimreape513]

>Extremely heat proof tyranids Somewhere out in Tiji Sector, Hive Fleet Nidhoggr collectively laughed.

[@metroplextitan8816]

As long as dark king plays paradox-billiards-vostroyan-roulette-fourth-dimensional-hypercube-chess-strip poker I think he's chill

[@pikachufantastic]

Lol

[@moonlight39echo]

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[@Preaplanes]

@@moonlight39echo Stop. Flicking. Your. Caaaaards.

[@redhairedshankedem5562]

Dark King definitely uses Bakura’s deck

[@moonlight39echo]

@@Preaplanes *stops drawing cards* hmmmmm . . . flick flick flick flick flick flick

[@raisnaix]

"It'd be easy if everyone pulled their heads out of their asses ... which in 40K isn't possible." -Majorkill, 40K quote of the year.

[@doomnationalist]

It isn't even possible in the real world lol

[@mikewaterfield3599]

Two things in my head cannon, 1) Necrons, can destroy the nids by themselves. They have the orrery after all. 2) They are really a Ctrl, Alt, Del, protocol from a surviving old one. Eldrad convinces the space toad to chill, and the nids get Ctrl, Alt, Del instead.

[@bad-people6510]

My head canon is this. They are the result of their own warhammer situation in another galaxy. This is what they had to become in order to ultimately win, just this all consuming monstrous tide that now has to strip galaxies bare to survive. Moving from one to another, dwindling between each galaxy, bolstering their numbers each time, but ultimately loosing little by little, feeding on each other in the wide dark and only recovering a portion from the biomass of the galaxies they consume. So there's probably not as many of them as there might seem, but they're desperate, a little tragic, and a horrifying example of what kind of abominations survival at all costs can create.

[@thomasdee1980]

I agree. I think the nids are the perfect weapon for the old ones to reclaim the galaxy. If all life is purged from the material galaxy, there would only be three factions left, the drukari (who are safe in the webway for a while, but without fresh people to torment would destroy themselves), chaos (who would be safe in the warp for a while but suffer the same fate as the drukari) and the necrons. However, because of bio-transferrance, the necrons cannot reproduce and so if there was a way to permantly kill them they could be whittled down. Once the galaxy has been scoured of life, then the warp will become peaceful over time and be similar to what it was like before the war in heaven

[@Монс-й1ь]

The only reason necrons didn't wipe them out is because they still in shambles after their big nap and genius decision to destroy weapons that allowed them to win against first gods

[@mikewaterfield3599]

@@Монс-й1ь Necrons are their own worst enemy.

[@generalnawaki]

My moneys on no, but we can deprive it of so much biomass that the hivemind realizes that its going to hit a negative return on biomass so it leaves our galaxy alone and goes and finds a galaxy less able to defend itself.

[@skalgrimfellaxe5796]

It doesn't need biomass though. It wants the genetic material and to remove threats, but does not actually need it. The matter that makes up biomass is sourced in orders of magnitude larger mass when they consume a planets atmosphere, water, and parts of the crust.

[@christiandauz3742]

Archaon, Horus or Abaddon can solo the Tyranids

[@yourdad6902]

Only archaeon sorry bro Horus and abandon are dopey ​@@christiandauz3742

[@rayzerot]

​@@skalgrimfellaxe5796You're right that they don't "need" biomass but they absolutely want it

[@IC3XR]

Guilliman plus the Lion? Surely the galaxy has a solid chance

[@TheUncivilizedNation]

Trazyn just has a perfect clone of Fulgrim that has all of the original Fulgrims memories up to his fight with Gulliman

[@curiouswind9196]

He also has at least one enslaver, krork, a shit ton of space marines from all over and Creed as dessert. He can choose who wins or loses if he wants to.

[@spartan8090]

Nope. The imperium has lost its most potent weapon against the Tyranids. Phospex. That stuff would utterly ruin them so unless they rediscover an STC for that stuff then they're still utterly fucked.

[@gideonmele1556]

@@spartan8090the magic of plot

[@Cryptic0013]

I would be willing to wager that the greatest threat to their existence is the fact that they don't sell very many model kits.

[@inductivegrunt94]

Necrons could easily defeat the Tyranids with all their molecular destroying weapons, lack of biomass in the entire species, powerful doomsday weapons, Trazyn being Trazyn, Imotekh being Imotekh, the Silent King being the Silent King, and the Celestial Orrery allowing for the destruction of an entire solar system because someone didn't cover their mouth when they sneezed. Long story short: Necrons > Tyranids

[@skalgrimfellaxe5796]

Except nids have already clapped (eaten) several tomb worlds and nearly wiped out a dynesty. Necrons are not the hard counter people think.

[@shamainebest4031]

​@@skalgrimfellaxe5796 Yet they are, like I'm a fan of both factions but the nids are pretty much outclassed when it comes to the skully bois, everyone else is either a 50/50.

[@christiandauz3742]

Horus at full power would destroy the Nids, Necrons, Eldar AND Orks

[@skalgrimfellaxe5796]

@@shamainebest4031 And yet - again - nids have annihilated several tomb worlds and decimated an entire dynasty. Strange how they could manage that if they are so outclassed.

[@pm7353]

​@@skalgrimfellaxe5796 Battlefleet Gothic: Armada II is not canon; in fact, it contradicts established canon/lore in several instances. There was a battle with Anrakyr The Traveler where the tryanids were winning, yes, but they eventually left because they found it to genuinely not be worth the trouble and beating the Necrons were giving them. In short, there is a reason why it's been shown that the tyranids outright avoid the Necron tombworlds

[@nickpethick7944]

The lion will save us all!

[@ChickenCaptain]

for the LION

[@baannaanaguy]

No he wont glory to the dinistys

[@LoveToSpootch]

I might be wrong, but doesn't Necrons have common guns that break down a whole being into atoms in a few sec? That seems pretty god damn effective.

[@Martyr217]

The super model comparison was hilarious. 🤣

[@paddyoclown]

absolute classic 👌

[@daverage4729]

Arm the biggest Titans with massive cans of bug spray.

[@tastysnacks8094]

If the Tyranids are as vast as is often implied, defeating them is pretty much impossible. But it should be enough to bloody their nose time and again until the hive mind decides the milky way isn't worth the effort and looks elsewhere for snacks.

[@urielj2161]

The resources for it though

[@fadelsukoco3092]

Here's some to consider: What if all of the Primarchs (save Alpharius because he landed on Terra) somehow died before the Imperium discovered them? If any one Loyalist and Traitor Primarch switched sides for the Horus Heresy, who would you choose for the best outcome for either the Loyalists, or the Traitors? What if the Silent King never got rid of his Command Protocols and took (almost) all the Necrons with him out of the galaxy to perhaps find a new and better one and come across the Tyranids? What if the Great Crusade had all the Primarchs and none turned Traitor, but there were no Astartes? What if the Beast Orks succeeded in defeating the Imperium? What if the Raptor Project succeeded/was never sabotaged?

[@schwarzflammenkaiser2347]

What if the Necrons manage to get mortal bodies again?

[@alexbrinzan9061]

Magnus not destroying the webway Project pretty much wins the heresy and gives humanity a better hope for survival, as for who to switch him with it doesnt really matter as long as he îs allowed to reach Terra and sit on the golden throne,alowing the emperor to fuck shit up alongside Malcador.

[@alexbrinzan9061]

@@schwarzflammenkaiser2347 not much, they still dont have souls so they wouldnt just spawn one upon getting a body(I think),they would still be souless with conciusness being the only thing keeping them going, since souls and conciusness are 2 different things în 40k, pretty much a downgrade since they would be able to make more of themselves, but later they would just turn the new necrons into metal after getting enough people or continue that process.

[@Sylvester4571]

What if the galaxy explodes......then EVERYONE DIES, THE END

[@Mastercio]

What if the Silent King never got rid of his Command Protocols and took (almost) all the Necrons with him out of the galaxy to perhaps find a new and better one and come across the Tyranids? I mean.... with this they just would immidiately conquer entire galaxy as soon as they woke up.

[@MacThunder.]

I think neurons and orks can clutch up the orks might become fucking super charged because of all the tyranid ass they will be kicking.

[@Hurricayne92]

Well the Nids already beat the Orks once and they were the ones that got supercharged

[@dogecursor5190]

Neurons lol

[@kingced741]

​@Hurricayne92 ngl this galaxy wide Octarious War might end in a Orc victory or the Koroks(or semi korks) returning from all the carnage You could argue Gazskull and all of thr other Overfeings teaming up is enough too because the only reason the Orcs lost is that they didn't have another person of Gazskull's level(Octarious leader was his level tbh)

[@azeria1]

Ok inquisitor krytman

[@DzinkyDzink]

​@@dogecursor5190yeah right, Orks are just missing some proper neuron activation to become the Krorks 😂

[@BioHunter1990]

Flamers. Really, really big flamers.

[@chiefkeef74]

Flamers? In this economy?

[@strumjack]

Brother get the flamer, the heavy flamer.

[@gideonmele1556]

Have you any idea what prometheum costs these days?

[@BioHunter1990]

@@gideonmele1556 cheaper then farm equipment.

[@massgunner4152]

Skip straight to meltas, can't adapt if there is no flesh to do it.

[@ChuckleFuks]

Just hit those space bug with a “no means no!” They can’t kill you if you dont consent

[@anonenormous2376]

Ayyye. Maybe if you were Henry C. You'd be able to pick a super model up with your warhammer collection.

[@Coalition2298qy.]

Video idea what if the emperor of mankind wanted to be worshipped as a God and had created the esslarcy the imperial cult in order to defeat the chaos gods

[@sasanahadian2859]

Superb video as always @majorkill. Could you make a video dedicated to the Navigators, the major houses, their politics, relation to the overall Imperium and factions

[@hollow1991]

just use bug spray

[@Jestnarr]

Nah, thats expensive archeotech.

[@evilbabai7083]

Spray and pray...

[@Ge_n_Ge]

We have the Necrons weapon that can wipe the whole galaxy if needed just by pointing on that

[@starlightdragon2665]

In the Battlefleet Gothic II campaign; if you play as the Tyranids the primary theme is everyone is telling each other to go kill themselves while chaos hides in a dark corner. The Tyranids literally rip everyone a new one; including destroying a craftworld, a necron tomb world, multiple Space Marine chapters, the entire black crusade and Roboutte Guilliman's Indomitus Crusade, all because they refused to team up to fight the Tyranids until it was too late. Going back on the whole everyone wouldn't unite factor; BFG II paints a very good picture of why a divided galaxy couldn't hope to beat the Tyranids without some kind of plot armor BS backing them up.

[@Babylauncher3000]

You’d need The Emperor to return as a literal chaos God and psychically nuke the hivemind on a galactic scale.

[@JssQLD]

Can The Tyranids Actually Be Defeated? Yes, because the Emperor will be reincarnated as a non-white, sexually fluid hermaphrodite that will use the power of one, the power of two, the power of many to banish all the ewww away, the end.

[@Johan-tq3fk]

A video about, what if there were no loyalist elements in the traitor legions ,this would also count for omegon and magnus. So there would be no need for the culling at isthvaan and weakening of the traitor forces.. this would be very intresting to see what all the effects would be on the succes of the heresy.

[@cernunnos_lives]

I really like how you lay out the strengths and weaknesses. The 'Nids' have numbers and spread with speed. They easily overwhelm anything stronger than them. You need something quicker and just as overwhelming like a virus.

[@hattoripool1533]

I always wondered since there’s obviously a bunch of different alien species in different franchises of varying strength I have to ask one question. Which fictional alien species in different franchises would be the ABSOLUTE WORST species for the Tyranid species as a whole to fight?

[@offlineraided]

The Tyranids ARE the worst xenos in fiction

[@Ty-wz2dq]

Honestly i think it would be the necrons just cause they scale so crazy to other universes and already hard counter the nids via being machine and they delete biomass though maybe something like the machine virus or whatever it is from horizon zero dawn could also be hard counter

[@hattoripool1533]

@@offlineraided I mean the worst aliens for them to fight due to I don’t know weapons, abilities or the fact that they may or may not be organic. You’d be surprised by how BS aliens are in different franchises

[@inductivegrunt94]

The Flood from Halo. Imagine a Flood infested Tyranid Hive Ship, the infection rate for the Flood would be near infinite in speed. And as the Flood adapt faster and with less effort than the Nids, the Flood could easily overwhelm the Tyranids in a war of attrition as the Flood can consume the biomass of the Tyranids, but the Nids can't consume the Flood or else they'll get infected.

[@hattoripool1533]

One species I think would be horrible for the Tyranids to face are X Parasites from Metroid

[@casbot71]

Just use the main deflector to generate an _inverse tachyon pulse._ That'll disrupt the Nids psy connection. And if that doesn't work, _reverse the polarity of the neutron flow._

[@nialpollitt3410]

I'm pretty sure an intact C'tan could turbo fuck a hive fleet.

[@geeljire9247]

Someone should the mechanicus this and then inform them there’s one under Mars

[@rxonmymind8362]

Absolutely.

[@Oltyx_der_Goldene]

I think one of the best methods to beat the Tyranids would be galactic wide Necron bio-transference, they are already a hard counter against them and in the same swipe it would also defeat Chaos.

[@Uzzgub]

A Interaction for the Interaction God, a Comment for the Comment Throne, for the Almighty Algorithm

[@AG-en5y]

My legion will consume everything. Even the corpse emperor

[@forestranger4325]

I don't understand how tiranids consume planets and don't have planetsize tirranid ship who carries minerals and biomass form consumed planets, do they have some kind of shrinking magic inside or something? Also how is it possible for tiranids to loose biomass if they consume planet anyway, it's not like their dead poof out of existence so in worst case scenario they should loose nothing and gain nothing.

[@matijasostojic4288]

Only biomass. Most larger bio ships are actually bigger than even the biggest ships the imperium has. And those ships are bassically smaller countries. A single planet COULD make a continent or a little bigger sized ship but its far more efficient to make a small splinter fleet of large bio ships then huge vessels that would be more vulnarable to wide scale bio weaponry or such.

[@trumediamix1]

Honestly, the Tyranids are bluntly trying to OM NOM NOM the Milky Way like as if they were playing a StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm longplay. Having Sly Marbo kill the Hive Mind outright (like in the pinned comment's example) is equivalent to nuking the only Level 3 Zerg Hatchery they had. It'd *_DEFINITELY_* set them back - but I'd not be surprised if they were capable of abracadabra-ing a new one. In fact, the Zerg tried to huddle together some of their Cerebrates to rebuild the Overmind during the Brood War - only for the attempt to be sabotaged by Kerrigan's ragtag alliance of her loyalists' brood, the UEF, the Terran Dominion, Raynor's Raiders, and the combined Protoss of the Daelaam & Nerazim... (whom she and the Zerg all stabbed in the back in a horrific massacre shortly afterwards...)

[@Enja_Near]

But.... The Hive Mind is the gestalt consciousness of all the Nids. You have to kill all the bugs to kill the hivemind. It's like every Psynapse nid is its own zerg hatchery.

[@trumediamix1]

@@Enja_Near The hivemind is basically being relayed by the Tyranids' armies like as if their "heroes" give off those much-needed combat auras. The thing is... those auras are being BROADCASTED - as in the Hive Tyrants and likewise of the Tyranid Swarms are basically Elites and Brutes compared to the Grunts. Kill them, and the small guys are easy pickings. Not to mention, it's safe to assume there's an even bigger fish that's transmitting that aura to the "Elites & Brutes" to begin with. That's what we're thinking about throwing Sly Marbo at. Idk if that was what Majorkill had in mind, but this is definitely one of my spins on the take. lmfao

[@michaelkean5969]

I think GW is suffering from the same issues that GRRM and the GOT writers did that they made the White walkers so obscenely Overpowered and unstoppable to the point that any kind of Solution to defeating them just came across as cheap and everyone involved just had plot armor. They have wrote themselves into a corner of which they can’t really write there way out off, It’s a major problem that you suffer if you jerk off your big bads too much and get too high from huffing that grimdark gas, Nothing short of the Chaos gods, the Ctan or the Emperor HIMSELF can realistically stop the Tyranids at this point and that is just about the most plot Armored thing you can do.

[@jacksonhoiland2664]

They can at least be consistently delayed by things, necrons are a giant threat to them, nurgle is very effective against them, and orks could go for a octarius rematch. Especially because if orks were allowed to reach war of the beast level they would be smart enough to make allies with other factions, and if the overfiend didn't die he would be approaching that level, he was already strong enough that they weren't able to 1v1 him and it he had some strong body guards he wouldn't have been weakened enough to get killed. Nurgle is also a huge threat, the imperium could make a deal with death guard or chaos cults to let them take planets about to fall to nids, that way any fleet which consumes the planet will be infected and killed, this is a win win, nurgle gets to try new diseases that target nids, and the nids get killed which puts less pressure on the imperium. And nurgle wouldn't want to betray the imperium too quickly because getting additional real space planets and followers will put him ahead in the great game.

[@stripeybag6977]

Just a reminder that the Administratum is the reason the Imperium lost the ability and knowledge of how to ignite the upper atmosphere and made it so Tyranid drops would catch fire and die before hitting the ground. It's just sitting deep in the back of an archive somewhere. Day 524 of requesting a Commissar Yarrick Major Mini pls and thank you

[@kylemiller6765]

I think the Necrons can just solo. They would need to revive all the tomb worlds though.

[@jakemaster33]

... Shipmaster they outnumber us 3,000 - 1... "Then it is an even fight"..

[@manden6652]

Video idea: The most used and unique weapons + relics used by each legion.

[@abdullahirfan9991]

If only we had grandma's power slipper.

[@heathermillsphantomlimb9314]

As long as the plastic crack keeps selling, no faction will ever be wiped out. Maybe one day, the GW CEO’s will decide to retire and burn it all down. Maybe Trazyn will accidentally release an Ogryn, and it’ll somehow wander into the Celestial Orrery, then erase the entire galaxy thinking he’s completing a Connect the Dots picture, but nothing will ever be permanently defeated as long as there are miniatures to paint and lore to retcon for “modern audiences.”

[@w4rd3n14]

well there is hive fleet tiamat wich behaves very un-Tyranid like becouse they build somthing this could be some kind of hive mind beacon and once its destroyed a lot of tyranids begin killing each other at least for a time cousing a reset of the status quo. at least somthing like this is my theory.

[@PabloOstertag]

Day 71 of asking for a dedicated series of videos detailing in depth the Lion El'Heresy

[@sick_bartender]

How about a flesh eating bacteria supercharged by Terran scientists or Fabius Bile or Belisarius Cowl. Also a pretty strong batalion of blanks could mess up the hive mind connection.

[@Mikeanium]

What if the Mechanicus decides to make more battle droids/drones that can be controlled from distance, like a single droid with a bolter to fight the Nids, it'd be so easy to mass produce and yet so devastating with zero net gain to the Tyrannids because metal isn't biomass. also the Humans piloting it would get better at fighting the Nids just as the Nids get better at it.

[@skalgrimfellaxe5796]

Metal is just another material nids use. They also consume their losses (so = no losses) and the goal isn't biomass, its the whole planet said biomass is on = more useful matter to make biomass from.

[@Mikeanium]

@@skalgrimfellaxe5796 Even then, it's probably better than random guardsmen sent to battle

[@reckoner1913]

So the Mechanicum a) invents something new and b) it's potentially an abominable intelligence. I sense lore issues.

[@Mikeanium]

@@reckoner1913 drones, they don't have sentience, they are drones

[@joheric8886]

​@@MikeaniumThere is a reason you aren't in charge

[@jakehinton732]

Heard them all into the emperor's webway and close it off under psychic lock and key then let them eat each other into oblivion

[@Godzillanid]

NIDS!

[@charliewhite1651]

Skibid sigma???😊

[@noahjwhite]

Sometimes I wish the Nids were real. 😮

[@The-Spanish-Inquisition490]

Don't the necrons have some kind of universal map that has literally everything mapped on it, and if they touch anything on it, it basically just blows up in reality.... I read they never use it because it's "unsporting," and necrons never use their full tech because they like a fair(ish) fight.

[@iloveemeralds4622]

Can we please get a male version of the calendars?

[@seanbrazell7095]

The Silent King and his Necrons might also intervene, especially when the Silent King actually told Dante that he had great respect for the God Emporer and wished they had met and forged an alliance before he had fallen and installed - SEEMINGLY - for all time on the golden throne. It's even possible that the Emporer may be able to give the necrons back their souls AND their flesh (or their souls at least.

[@Esteban45696]

I thought it'd end with in act of desperation after the Tyrandis invade and all the races losing so much ground the mechanicus developed a way to put their consciousness into necron bodies overwriting what ever was in there and saving the human race but being dammed by the Inquisition.

[@thomaskusk7362]

I did not know the part about being able to bring back devoured world through teraforming. So here's a bright idea, teach the tyranids how to terraform, it would be like teaching them farming. Then I'm sure they will just nom on them and not the rest of the galaxy, and it would in no way or form go horribly wrong ;) I would though be careful about giving a race as adaptable and able to rapidly make new weapons through evolution like tyranids to many good ideas to copy and use against the galaxy when it comes to bioweapons, also the part about why tyranids can't handle 2 different opponents at once never made sense to me when they are supposed to be super adaptable, and they create hive fleets that are specialised to fight specific. So they could combine them sorta like they do with Kronos, where other fleets go out of their way to kept them fed, while Kronos fight chaos demons, though the exact details on how Kronos exactly are different a bit iffy. For a super adaptable race that supposedly can make new bioforms within hours or days like zoantrhopes or biotitan after they had their first runin with other races titans, they now had hundreds of years to evolve, and not really all that much to show for it . Besides I bet that when/if they ever have to kill off the nids they will pull a psychic attack thingy like they did in war of the beast, and just wave they fingeres and the problem wil magically go away, through space magic.

[@I-am_Alpharius]

Day 26: What if Omegon returned to the setting?. What would happen, how would Guilliman and The Lion react?. Would be a pretty cool video.

[@joshuazhao]

I know the answer is yes before even seeing the video, and the only faction that can defeat the Tyranids are the Necrons. If Tyranids are dumb enough to wake the Necrons from invading the Tomb Worlds, Necrons will obliterate them one by one with the Gauss weapons. Gauss weapons can destroy bioforms and vaporize them, and a Necron warrior is made of metal, so the Tyranids can't assimilate them. Longer a battle between Necrons and Tyranids drags on, the less Tyranids can come because of the vaporized and now non-existent biomass.

[@lukasnordstrom1304]

IF the chaos gods sensed that the world they enjoy terrorizing is about to be destroyed entirely wouldn't they unite to destroy the threat? They have somewhat united in past against each other so its not out of the question that they might do this in my mind.

[@spiffywolf2850]

If somehow the empire, chaos and necrons worked together they might win. They lure in large fleets to a system, fuck up the nids on the ground or small encounter in space then when the nids hungry and starved the necrons make planet go boom with there funny tech, or the empire does some heretical shit and awakens ai bots and sends them to fight the nids and bio wepons as you said, maybe you use death eater virus etc.

[@Pinkey_dyxx]

Teraformimg consumed planets would just add additional biomass for the hive. As they often leave behind dormant broods that rise and start a second consumption cycle

[@nukedpyro]

Imagine a faction that only focused on the nids and even preyed on them. Like a group of xenos that enjoy the taste of space bug and are very capable of killing and eating them, basically throw the uno reverse card at the bugs

[@stardewhillbully]

Im expecting a surprise to happen. The long awaited reveal of the hive mind is actually an android named David. Here to further to evolution of the perfect species in his eyes.

[@AustinFoss00]

I think the Chaos Gods will play a pretty big role in getting rid of the Tyranid issue. I mean, there's no fun to be had for them if the galaxy is devoured by bugs.

[@veeshan222]

im not to familiar with warhammer lore, but couldnt u just scorched earth stratergy? Any planet you loose just blow it up destroying all tyrnids on it along with the biomatter they use to reproduce, sure it be costly but eventually by preventing them nids from replenishing there forces after each win there forces i would slowly diminish. Although there might be no planets left at the end hahaha

[@varun009]

I wager a single synaptic disruptor blast to a hive ship would end it.

[@jmlaw8888]

This is 40k. The idea that they can win is pathetic fan cope. Too many non-imperium fanbois think grimdark means "the imperium cant win". No fanboy, it means NOBODY can win - yes, especially YOUR favourite faction. Ive had to say this a thousand times: the tagline isnt "in the grim darkness of the far future there is only impending tyranid victory". No faction can ultimately win. Its either stalemate or mutual extinction. You know for all the flak space marines get for being the poster boys of the setting I think deluded tyranid fans are the worst by far. Nobody wins 40k ultimately. Otherwise it wouldnt BE 40k.

[@TheFlyWahine]

So the tyranids DO farm other races then humans. Adapting to the plagues could be easier then you think. You examin them all, find the patern/how there all designed. And making something up to block then all whould then be easy.

[@cylondorado4582]

I’d prefer to think of it as a large force, but not so large that it wouldn’t have to play its cards right to win. Pretty much like every other faction. Otherwise I see it as less interesting, and there’s no point to all the other conflicts.

[@chad1682]

Tyranids used to be pretty crap in tabletop. Apparently they've made a big turn around in newer additions of the codex. But I've been out of the game for 10 years.

[@Kameeho]

Bruh, If you really want to wipe out the Nids once and for all. Just stop buying their models. Once the Games Workshop ancients see that Nids are a net-loss for the company, yeah, things wont be good. HOWEVER, how are Majorkill supposed to earn a profit from his awesome major mini collection? Sad aussie would be sad. I guess its a good thing the nids exist and are popular.

[@crabbowiththestabbo]

The thing about immunity is there needs to be a survivor. If a bioweapon kills a swarm down to the bug, the tyranids can’t discover an immunity, so it will still work.

[@Razamaniac]

Guys the thing with the nids is that they can be destroyed and defeated as we know them now In the far future the Nids will always come up with a mutation that counters everything we already think that can defeat them Nids have plot armour too, its just that they are not the main characters 😆 Also don't forget that Necrons also don't take anything from tyranids. Needs, necrons and daemons all counter eachother.

[@DemandAlphabetBeBrokenUp]

I like to think that the 11th or 2nd was a Female, the last bit of defiance by Astarte but anyway.... The 11th & 2nd started procreating but since it was so early on in the Crusade. Not all the Primarch's Marines were with them. Long end of the short. One of them was considered the corrupting one, probably the female one & she along with her literal kid legionaries fled the galaxy. The other one was considered a failure. In any event the naturally born Space Marines either with or without their Primarch fled the galaxy. While outside the Milky Way. They came in contact with a Xenos species that infected them and caused rapid evolution in the legion. Eventually the infection caused them to transform into what we would call Tyranids. Or I also like the idea of the Emperor being responsible for the Tyranids. Basically early in the crusade or during the height of mankind's technological achievement. The Emperor came upon a world of human xeno cooperation. Cooperation that involved the hybridization between the species. Essentially the same thing as the Technological Cults of Mars, only in a biological direction. Some of these hybrids were able to escape because the Emperor had not yet come to realize. That sometimes you just have to issue the exterminatus order. Which would play beautifully into his interactions with Corax & highlight his hypocrisy with The Night Lord.

[@frakspikes2619]

another way for the Tyranids to no longer become a direct threat to the galaxy force feed them an Alpha + Psycher and an Omega - Blank at the same time these powerrfull genes will be passed around the hivemind, creating UBER powerful nids however - Alpha gene individualism and pride would force the nids with that gene to break free from the hive mind, and have them cause internal power struggles as they take over the hive mind from the inside - Omega gene, would have nids kill themselves out of the "yich factor", followed by the surviving Omega nids, becoming SO anti establishment, they begin to destroy the WHOLE HIVE from the Inside eventually all this internall struggle will atract Slanesh which will murderfuck the species collective soul and with that, the dark eldar will get a short breather hopefuly this internal powerstuggle will atract the rest of the chaos gods, or distract them, long enough for most chaos marines to lose their major powersource giving the imperium a little headway in ridding themselves of those heretics and with it we'd have a MAJOR change in the Deceaver's plans

[@crimsonheart1949]

I'll answer without watching: Assuming GW doesn't want to sell more toys(impossible) then yes they will be defeated even if they got 10000% power boost because we all know as usual it'll be down to humans vs chaos (read: chaos humans specifically) because that's how it almost always is... The aliens are there as jobbers and backdrop in the setting most of the tome lol.

[@Burning-Twilight]

I honestly think that if Warhammer ever reached a point where the Imperium managed to ally or convince most of the other factions to work with them they would first deal with the nids and then eventually set sights for the chaos gods themselves. In whcih case in the end they would either work out aome form of mutual agreements or at the very least be less hostile to one another.

[@casbot71]

Could the DARK KING be "aimed" to just keep going after the main Tyranid fleets outside the Galaxy? So his destructive force is applied outside the Milky Way and he keeps going for eternity slamming Nids in intergalactic space.

[@christophermccutcheon2143]

Probably eventually defeated by a Psyker who connects to the Hive Mind and fries it, so the Tyranids turn on each other without a master to control them, or the remaining powerful Tyranids who can control groups of other Tyranid will splinter and fight to become the Hive Mind. I think one if the lore books suggests that they suspect at least 1 more Hive Mind. Which could already indicate they are not fully united under one Hive Mind. They may not be invading the rest of the 40k galaxy because they're caught in a huge war between themselves. I think in the end the Tyranids will kill the Tyranids

[@waywardstoner9416]

A precise strike to one of their motherships could perhaps severe their connection to the hivemind in a large radius. Tyranids are always on the offensive and rarely defending themselves from another faction

[@JerrybutTaller]

How different do you think the setting would be, and what would be different if slaanesh's birth had been stopped, or they had been killed immediately after being born?

The Tyranids shouldn't even be a thing. I'll elaborate. The Tyranids consume organic matter... but the origin of all practically all organic matter is photosynthesis. Their approach is monstrously inefficient and should absolutely not manifest on this scale. Logically they should not attack anyone but grow organic Dyson spheres. That would be an absolute net gain, while every battle costs at the least some biomatter just to generate energy - and they consume enormous amounts. There aee also compounds that simply destroy any organic material on a molecular level; it is inherently impossible to develop an organic defense against it. Chlorine trifluoride being an excellent example. But it doesn't really matter. It's just absurd in theory. But GW wanted xenomorphs, so they just made them.

[@lface7426]

The tyranids would be their own worst enemy. It isn't like you just stomp everything and suck it all back up. Your troops use energy that will not be given back. The other side does as well. Munitions, food, fire, explosions. All that is going to waste a resource they could have had. Do you know how hard it would be to generate an explosion in your arm to go the speed of a bullet? Its ridiculous. Not only that but you have to build the thing to wistand the pressure of all of it. Carry the ammo and how the hell do they reload? I think tyranids are the dumbest thing if you think of logistics. Your long range would deplete ammo all the time and if you look at organisms the have have weapons that are expendable (snake venom) it takes days or weeks before it comes back. Their whole premise is silly. Just drop some 40k nukes mid invasion and their fleet is toast. All those resources expended with no gain. If it happened once it would cripple a good portion of what they had.

[@abbieee69]

40k and it's lore is becoming boring now like sorry to say but gw is just going down a path of oh op race yh we'll make another op race to beat that race. Plus it doesn't make sense anymore especially with the nids like at this point if the main force of the tyranids do come then either gw will have to have all the races join up to fight them and yh beat them or tyranids win but they don't really due to chaos being a thing. It's just getting silly now and I'm just not a fan of it just remove the nids there boring... And generic oh look an alien swarm race that adapts to everything 😂 Plus the whole if necrons fully come back everyone is screwed. Or the dark king.. Bye bye warhammer universe👋 Meh I'll start getting back into the lore when eldar are actually written properly again. Good video majorkill as usual ❤

[@davidarcherd9868]

Of ALL the things in the entirety of the Warhammer universe, the one I have the hardest time with is mankind's inability to reverse engineer, or research new weaponry. What humanity has accomplished with a couple billion of us in the last hundred years is mind boggling, and you're telling me that octillions of people that exist can't figure that out in ten thousand years? Seriously, I have an easier time grasping british soccer hooligan mold going full WAAGGHH more than I can believe humanity forgot how to adapt.

[@tabe8850]

It does beg the question, why did GW go so far with their cataclysmic lore? Imagine instead of tyrannies, another species came out of nowhere (with no model range). Just lore, the Death guard and tyranids and Imperium fighting giants a common foe. It would be fun IMO. But instead it’s the tyranids that will never be defeated from a lore perspective.

[@lukasp.5243]

Well, they got nerfed many times in lore. Even lost many battles. But the former self could not. They took over Andromeda galaxy and was able to adapt in any battlefield. Only chaos or Necrons might have chance by they nature. So in the end yes, they can be defeated if devs choose to.

[@vegasaturn4553]

umm, Vampires use heavy needlers that fire spikes that are 3 feet long btw. just saying, if a grunt goblin can fuck up tanks in halo 5 post human-covenant war, these needles definitely fucking up most vehicles and battlesuits. and fuel rods are encased in magnetic fields with bigger versions installed with guiding munitions. you can snipe tau, with radiation and needles that explode. both guiding themselves to targets... keep in mind grunts operate most of these things well, this is why they had an arbiter to quell their rebellion. If Railguns and Ion didnt keep them at bay, the Tau would suffer tremendous losses. It would be a lot closer than you think in terms of how even both sides are

[@ShouVertica]

No. The problem with the Tyranids isn't anything special, it's just that from what GW shows us they are vastly more in quantity than any other force and in such a high number it's unlikely it would even matter, they could just annihilate every world and feed off the vulnerable ones if they so desired. The only thing truly stopping the Nids is plot armor.

[@theadtheogrekiller5629]

Tyranids shadow in the warp can disrupt and break necron technology as of one of Trazyns novels, so its possible that making a strong enough synapse creature and just existing in the pariah nexus could break it apart pylon by pylon.

[@Tiananmen1989FreeTibetHK]

What if humanity finds the lost tech of the Golden Age, like Nanomite Worms that literally devour space and time to create rifts in reality which implied to be one of the ways to jump from one location to another instantaneously. Or lost tech of the Golden Age like those who devour stars and use that devoured energy to fry a system full of hostile xenos. Or even the peak men of iron...🤔 Im still new to 40k but i always love some what if scenario where the current imperium finally takes off their technology paranoia and adapts the old research from the golden age which they had considered to be heresy. I still remember how a civilian ship from the Golden Age managed to humiliate a squad of space marines and their imperial navy while also taking no damage.

[@fredhercmaricaubang1883]

Say, Majorkill, what if you sic a bunch of Culexus assassins & other blanks to hunt down & kill the synapse creatures who will afterwards then focus on exterminating the Norn queens? What do you think?

[@brianpj5860]

Umm couldn’t the Necrons use the Celestial Orrery to wipe out a significant portion of the Tyranids?? Or atleast hold them back at the outer reaches of the galaxy?? Pretty sure a hive fleet cant adapt to, nor defend against a Super Novae…