Can The Tyranids Actually Be Defeated? | Warhammer 40k Lore

[@majorkill]

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[@withlovefromlightindust591]

Hello Majorkill, Would you kindly make some lore videos on the Imperial Truth, the Imperial Creed, the Ecclesiarchy? Pretty please? Thank you.

[@Jawzah]

Rillen Epley might do a better job.

[@doomfan8603]

@@withlovefromlightindust591 "Would you kindly" bro just gave me flash backs

[@imquantum8009]

I much prefer your speculative, alternative fictional content than primarch history or notable astartes. Sorry but primarchs and astartes aren't that interesting in contrast to the entire setting. Even games workshop hasn't learned that.

[@TK199999]

In the newest Cawl lore book, Cawl has another way to stop the 'Nids using Black Stone. He said that even small amounts can be tuned to basically jam the Hive Mind on planetary or even solar system scale. Even if and when the Hive Mind adapts its appears Black Stone can be retuned and cause the effect again. Essentially psychic ECM techniques against the Hive Minds control. Since it doesn't appear the Hive Mind can permanently and completely adapt to the effect, only adapt to each frequency used in such an attack. Cawl suggested that if used at key moments in battle it could dispute the Hive Mind long enough for Imperial forces to strike mortal if not fatal blows. This would make the Hive Mind skittish and fearful of Black Stone attacks. So it would less aggressive and more methodical to try to mitigate such attacks. The other idea that has been obvious since the beginning and I guess hasn't been used since GW would find it too effective I guess. Is placing Exterminatus grade weapons on planets in the path of a Hive Fleet, but put on Deadman switch. The idea being that once a world falls to the 'Nids the weapon would go off denying the Hive Fleet biomass and destroying all the forces and the expended biomass on the planet. After happening few times this would effectively neutralize splinter fleets as they would have lost too much biomass to continue and have to go into hibernation. Now the Hive Mind would send in Genestealer cults or during attacks actively hunt down such devices to neutralize them. But they could be rigged to go off if tampered with by unauthorized personnel or by the 'Nids themselves. The chance of early detonation, especially in the beginning as this strategy is first used would still be a risk, but it would still make the 'Nids highly skittish and fearful. Since they would know that once they achieved victory they instantly lose and it would hearten defenders if they knew, even if they fall the 'Nid's still lose. Odds are the Hive Mind would be so fearful of such devices and tactics that it have to use Genestealer cults to almost exclusively to take over planets first, to make sure a world had no device or try to deactivate it if possible. Even if the Hive Mind created a new bioform to counter it, if its possible, would still be such a major investment in biomass and make it such obvious target for defenders. Makes it questionable how useful/effective such bioform would be. In the end such a strategy of use doomsday devices on Deadman switches, could also cause major change in behavior as the Hive Fleets would bypass or at least suppress rather than destroy/consume planetary defenders in order to get the rest its biomass transfer towers up. So it could absorb as much biomass from rest of the planet as possible without triggering such devices by killing to many of the planets defenders.

[@RedXlV]

The Nids will always have an unspecified but immense "main fleet" outside the galaxy so that regardless of how many Ws the other factions score, the threat will still be looming. After all this isn't Peacehammer 40k, the war is never meant to end.

[@SeedemFeedemRobots]

>war is never meant to end >proceeds to describe an inetvitiable a setting-ending event thank you very cool!

[@peterpan4038]

Exactly. Logically speaking the absurd number of Nids in even some of the smaller swarms should make any resistence pointless. The only reason they get defeated at the last moment again and again is the fact that Nids are meant to be "the enemy", hence the protagonists will always somewhat win the day. Even Chaos has a more defined character in the form of literal speaking, well Characters. Meanwhile Nids or the one faction that never allies with anything, they eat whatever stands in their way. Hence they behave less as a faction (within the lore), and more as a form of natural cosmic disaster.

[@CrniWuk]

>Peacehammer< Ok. Now I want a mirror-world of Warhammer, but where everything is about finding peacefull solutions. You will roll for "love" and "hugs".

[@codyvandal2860]

@@peterpan4038It's a good point. Literally every other faction has a vaguely 'humanoid' construction no matter how monstrous. They have cultures, and language, and are at least comprehensible (if repugnant) but the Nids are just full on cosmic horror

[@peterpan4038]

@@codyvandal2860 Yeah. And i really hope we never get all the answers to our Tyranid lore questions. Because the less you understand about cosmic horror, the scarier it just is (and vice versa!). A strange but nonetheless good example for this are the Borg in Star Trek. At first they didn't negotiate, didn't show any mercy, and simply attacked and assimilated everything and everyone they encountered. THAT was one hell of a scary threat. But over time we learned everything there is to know about them, we and the characters within the story itself figured everything out. Heck, we even got Borgs with personalities like their Queen. That's all really entertaining for a while, but it comes at the price of de-mystifying this unimaginable Threat. Result? The Borg aren't scary anymore, they have become nothing more than a regular old faction in Star Trek lore.

[@drunknnirish]

Vulkan comes back with the galaxies largest can of raid.

[@TheRewasder97]

As*

[@KaijuBiologist]

Vulkan and Leman Russ are the ones chasing the tyranids.

[@kirthedeathgodlike1801]

​@@TheRewasder97 Where would as be in this sentence

[@horpdorb40]

@@kirthedeathgodlike1801 replace "with" with "as"

[@kirthedeathgodlike1801]

@@horpdorb40 I don't think they mean vulkan is the raid I think their making a joke about him bringing a giant can of bug spray which is the name of one of those brand of bug spray

[@heeman1203]

the problem argument that the tyranids are OP if their main fleet arives is that every faction is way more OP once it achieves a certain goal. I don't think the tyranids want their main fleet to arive after; Orks turned back into Krorks, Eldar including drukari and harlequins get a complete Yinead, Necrons unite under the silent king, Chaos reaches Terra again ,or the imperium successfully heals the emperor, and brings him back as a true god or at least is put in a position where it can focus on one threat at a time.

[@omnissiahGaspar]

I think it would be cool if regardless of all that the Tyrannids can STILL push through, it's just a question of wether they want to dedicate the biomass and wether they can adapt faster than the galaxy can

[@TheChremix]

That is why Warhammer is awesome every faction is so OP that they cancel each other out

[@Santisima_Trinidad]

​@@TheChremix except the poor old tau, who are insanely powerful, but sre also like 7 planet's in the corner of the galaxy, occasionally biting at other factions heels and getting shaken off.

[@vid101.]

​@@Santisima_TrinidadIsnt it like 100 by now?

[@Skumm93]

@@vid101. Yes, a 100-planet-strong empire of hyper-advancing blue bois run by mind-controlling oligarchs. By 45k they'll basically be able to fuck up everyone and everything, but until then, they're kind just stuck

[@seasonallyferal1439]

I've always thought artillery filled with negatively charged black stone powder would kill the psy connection of the nids.

[@LiamDillen]

That is an interesting take but I thought negative blackstone was anti pykers warp based stuff, and that the nids were all psychic like mindflayer psychics based in reality but still able to influence it. as the shadow in the warp is specifically meant to screw over psykers just by sheer brain power

[@jakehinton732]

Just grind up black stone and "salt" a nuke with it. That would have a little more kick to it!

[@benjamintim3542]

Blackstone is an insanely rare resource for the Imperium, and not well understood, either. Grinding it up and slapping it in artillery would be a huge waste, and the Mechanicus would probably have an aneurysm

[@vid101.]

​​@@LiamDillenas far as I understand it the tyranids comunicate through the warp and this is what makes the shadow in the warp, its literaly an overwhelming amount of comunication literally filling the corelated warp space near hivefleets

[@logangrimnar3800]

If Blackstone functions like it did in the Eisenhorn series or like normal matter, then blowing it up or severely heating it would destroy whatever charge you gave to it. It normally requires an active input to get it to whatever charge you need from it, and breaking it just returns it to its neutral or inert state.

[@greasybumpkin1661]

"let's destroy the warp so all beings die and the Nids starve to death" Forerunners: bro you're not gonna believe it, but we have just the tool for this exact scenario.

[@neptuneplayz2567]

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[@niner-r2b]

thanks you saved me so much time

[@Trazyn_Archives]

Lol

[@gotem123]

Fucking insane.

[@doomfan8603]

absolute legend. Thanks man!

[@RetractedandRedacted]

Must have taken ages getting those!

[@memeboi2096]

Or the necrons just go "ehhhhh, these things are messing with the balance if the galaxy." And suddenly poof goes the nids and the entire tenth if the galaxy their in.

[@Hurricayne92]

gotta love the Celestial Orrery

[@Saturnine21]

I don't know man... if the hive mind sends a shitload of nids to a sector, the crons super nova spam them, and just does this through different sectors of the galaxy, you might end up killing valuable sectors for what they thought was the main force. There could just be trillions or more of those bugs and we'd never know...

[@christiandauz3742]

Full power Horus would No-Sell the Orrey and wipe out the Tyranids, Orks, Necrons AND Eldar in just seconds!!!

[@Mastercio]

@@christiandauz3742 Yeah... riiiiiiight...

[@christiandauz3742]

@@Mastercio Both Horus and the Emperor went to Cthonia in the past THEN Cadia post-Heresy Tyranids and Necrons have no countet to such Time and Space powers!

[@raisnaix]

"It'd be easy if everyone pulled their heads out of their asses ... which in 40K isn't possible." -Majorkill, 40K quote of the year.

[@WhatzHappeningNow9]

It isn't even possible in the real world lol

[@poodlescone9700]

The Imperium needs to pull another Kryptman and lure the Tyranids into Commoragh. Then shut Commoragh off from the Webway.

[@chiefkeef74]

2 issues 1: getting there is a pain in the ass 2: The Khan is there.

[@Hurricayne92]

Commoragh is IN the webway so not sure how you're cutting it off

[@randomdude6446]

​@@Hurricayne92You can seal off sections of the web way

[@ahmedshaharyarejaz9886]

Counterpoint: Nids eat all Drukharii and turn into Super Zoanthropes that are now using the Webway to attack all around the Galaxy. Plus The Imperium is incapable of shutting off parts of the Webway. Only the Eldari can do such things.

[@KnightsWithoutATable]

@@ahmedshaharyarejaz9886 They have a device that can alter the Webway like that. It is just being used at the moment as a life support system for Big E and it takes somebody with the physical durability of a perpetual and/or the psychic might of a a being equal to a Primarch to operate safely, so finding a user takes bringing the Emperor of Mankind back to a significant level of his strength or finding another being of similar abilities that is willing to do it while also somehow also keeping Bid E from taking the D-train through the Warp to reset where he will be attacked by Chaos in his massively weakened and basically crippled state before he can use his powers as a perpetual to fix himself.

[@mikewaterfield3599]

Two things in my head cannon, 1) Necrons, can destroy the nids by themselves. They have the orrery after all. 2) They are really a Ctrl, Alt, Del, protocol from a surviving old one. Eldrad convinces the space toad to chill, and the nids get Ctrl, Alt, Del instead.

[@bad-people6510]

My head canon is this. They are the result of their own warhammer situation in another galaxy. This is what they had to become in order to ultimately win, just this all consuming monstrous tide that now has to strip galaxies bare to survive. Moving from one to another, dwindling between each galaxy, bolstering their numbers each time, but ultimately loosing little by little, feeding on each other in the wide dark and only recovering a portion from the biomass of the galaxies they consume. So there's probably not as many of them as there might seem, but they're desperate, a little tragic, and a horrifying example of what kind of abominations survival at all costs can create.

[@thomasdee1980]

I agree. I think the nids are the perfect weapon for the old ones to reclaim the galaxy. If all life is purged from the material galaxy, there would only be three factions left, the drukari (who are safe in the webway for a while, but without fresh people to torment would destroy themselves), chaos (who would be safe in the warp for a while but suffer the same fate as the drukari) and the necrons. However, because of bio-transferrance, the necrons cannot reproduce and so if there was a way to permantly kill them they could be whittled down. Once the galaxy has been scoured of life, then the warp will become peaceful over time and be similar to what it was like before the war in heaven

[@Монс-й1ь]

The only reason necrons didn't wipe them out is because they still in shambles after their big nap and genius decision to destroy weapons that allowed them to win against first gods

[@mikewaterfield3599]

@@Монс-й1ь Necrons are their own worst enemy.

[@LoveToSpootch]

I might be wrong, but doesn't Necrons have common guns that break down a whole being into atoms in a few sec? That seems pretty god damn effective.

[@grimreape513]

>Extremely heat proof tyranids Somewhere out in Tiji Sector, Hive Fleet Nidhoggr collectively laughed.

[@IC3XR]

Guilliman plus the Lion? Surely the galaxy has a solid chance

[@TheUncivilizedNation]

Trazyn just has a perfect clone of Fulgrim that has all of the original Fulgrims memories up to his fight with Gulliman

[@curiouswind9196]

He also has at least one enslaver, krork, a shit ton of space marines from all over and Creed as dessert. He can choose who wins or loses if he wants to.

[@spartan8090]

Nope. The imperium has lost its most potent weapon against the Tyranids. Phospex. That stuff would utterly ruin them so unless they rediscover an STC for that stuff then they're still utterly fucked.

[@gideonmele1556]

@@spartan8090the magic of plot

[@Cryptic0013]

I would be willing to wager that the greatest threat to their existence is the fact that they don't sell very many model kits.

[@metroplextitan8816]

As long as dark king plays paradox-billiards-vostroyan-roulette-fourth-dimensional-hypercube-chess-strip poker I think he's chill

[@pikachufantastic]

Lol

[@moonlight39echo]

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[@Preaplanes]

@@moonlight39echo Stop. Flicking. Your. Caaaaards.

[@redhairedshankedem5562]

Dark King definitely uses Bakura’s deck

[@moonlight39echo]

@@Preaplanes *stops drawing cards* hmmmmm . . . flick flick flick flick flick flick

[@generalnawaki]

My moneys on no, but we can deprive it of so much biomass that the hivemind realizes that its going to hit a negative return on biomass so it leaves our galaxy alone and goes and finds a galaxy less able to defend itself.

[@skalgrimfellaxe5796]

It doesn't need biomass though. It wants the genetic material and to remove threats, but does not actually need it. The matter that makes up biomass is sourced in orders of magnitude larger mass when they consume a planets atmosphere, water, and parts of the crust.

[@christiandauz3742]

Archaon, Horus or Abaddon can solo the Tyranids

[@yourdad6902]

Only archaeon sorry bro Horus and abandon are dopey ​@@christiandauz3742

[@rayzerot]

​@@skalgrimfellaxe5796You're right that they don't "need" biomass but they absolutely want it

[@cernunnos_lives]

I really like how you lay out the strengths and weaknesses. The 'Nids' have numbers and spread with speed. They easily overwhelm anything stronger than them. You need something quicker and just as overwhelming like a virus.

[@inductivegrunt94]

Necrons could easily defeat the Tyranids with all their molecular destroying weapons, lack of biomass in the entire species, powerful doomsday weapons, Trazyn being Trazyn, Imotekh being Imotekh, the Silent King being the Silent King, and the Celestial Orrery allowing for the destruction of an entire solar system because someone didn't cover their mouth when they sneezed. Long story short: Necrons > Tyranids

[@skalgrimfellaxe5796]

Except nids have already clapped (eaten) several tomb worlds and nearly wiped out a dynesty. Necrons are not the hard counter people think.

[@shamainebest4031]

​@@skalgrimfellaxe5796 Yet they are, like I'm a fan of both factions but the nids are pretty much outclassed when it comes to the skully bois, everyone else is either a 50/50.

[@christiandauz3742]

Horus at full power would destroy the Nids, Necrons, Eldar AND Orks

[@skalgrimfellaxe5796]

@@shamainebest4031 And yet - again - nids have annihilated several tomb worlds and decimated an entire dynasty. Strange how they could manage that if they are so outclassed.

[@pm7353]

​@@skalgrimfellaxe5796 Battlefleet Gothic: Armada II is not canon; in fact, it contradicts established canon/lore in several instances. There was a battle with Anrakyr The Traveler where the tryanids were winning, yes, but they eventually left because they found it to genuinely not be worth the trouble and beating the Necrons were giving them. In short, there is a reason why it's been shown that the tyranids outright avoid the Necron tombworlds

[@tastysnacks8094]

If the Tyranids are as vast as is often implied, defeating them is pretty much impossible. But it should be enough to bloody their nose time and again until the hive mind decides the milky way isn't worth the effort and looks elsewhere for snacks.

[@urielj2161]

The resources for it though

[@fadelsukoco3092]

Here's some to consider: What if all of the Primarchs (save Alpharius because he landed on Terra) somehow died before the Imperium discovered them? If any one Loyalist and Traitor Primarch switched sides for the Horus Heresy, who would you choose for the best outcome for either the Loyalists, or the Traitors? What if the Silent King never got rid of his Command Protocols and took (almost) all the Necrons with him out of the galaxy to perhaps find a new and better one and come across the Tyranids? What if the Great Crusade had all the Primarchs and none turned Traitor, but there were no Astartes? What if the Beast Orks succeeded in defeating the Imperium? What if the Raptor Project succeeded/was never sabotaged?

[@schwarzflammenkaiser2347]

What if the Necrons manage to get mortal bodies again?

[@alexbrinzan9061]

Magnus not destroying the webway Project pretty much wins the heresy and gives humanity a better hope for survival, as for who to switch him with it doesnt really matter as long as he îs allowed to reach Terra and sit on the golden throne,alowing the emperor to fuck shit up alongside Malcador.

[@alexbrinzan9061]

@@schwarzflammenkaiser2347 not much, they still dont have souls so they wouldnt just spawn one upon getting a body(I think),they would still be souless with conciusness being the only thing keeping them going, since souls and conciusness are 2 different things în 40k, pretty much a downgrade since they would be able to make more of themselves, but later they would just turn the new necrons into metal after getting enough people or continue that process.

[@Sylvester4571]

What if the galaxy explodes......then EVERYONE DIES, THE END

[@Mastercio]

What if the Silent King never got rid of his Command Protocols and took (almost) all the Necrons with him out of the galaxy to perhaps find a new and better one and come across the Tyranids? I mean.... with this they just would immidiately conquer entire galaxy as soon as they woke up.

[@AustinFoss00]

I think the Chaos Gods will play a pretty big role in getting rid of the Tyranid issue. I mean, there's no fun to be had for them if the galaxy is devoured by bugs.

[@daverage4729]

Arm the biggest Titans with massive cans of bug spray.

[@ChuckleFuks]

Just hit those space bug with a “no means no!” They can’t kill you if you dont consent

[@gideonmele1556]

Chaos would probably get very, very pissy if they lose too much of their own food source to glorified space termites. Crons are the easiest plot reset if needed - although the more 40k way would probably involve multiple primarchs coming back and/or Emps so that’s never going to happen

[@Martyr217]

The super model comparison was hilarious. 🤣

[@paddyoclown]

absolute classic 👌

[@7thsealord888]

I go with the idea that nothing is impossible, and Tyranid invasions have certainly been defeated at planetary or system levels by various means. OTOH, I also keep thinking of that old song, about The Old Lady Who Swallowed A Fly, She swallows a spider to catch the fly, then swallows a cat to catch the bird, etcetera. Have to be sure that, whatever is used to fix the obvious problem, it doesn't somehow lead to worse problems later on.. Since this is the WH40K Universe we are talking about, I almost have to take the latter as a given.

[@Coalition2298qy.]

Video idea what if the emperor of mankind wanted to be worshipped as a God and had created the esslarcy the imperial cult in order to defeat the chaos gods

[@HitchcockJohn]

Well, if we can't fight the main invasion force maybe we can divert them? What if we built a REALLY big sign, like big enough that you can see it outside of the galaxy, that says "to Milky Way" with an arrow pointed at the Andromeda Galaxy. Then all the bugs see the big sign and fly off to the Andromeda galaxy and leave us alone! It's perfect!

[@MacThunder.]

I think neurons and orks can clutch up the orks might become fucking super charged because of all the tyranid ass they will be kicking.

[@Hurricayne92]

Well the Nids already beat the Orks once and they were the ones that got supercharged

[@dogecursor5190]

Neurons lol

[@kingced741]

​@Hurricayne92 ngl this galaxy wide Octarious War might end in a Orc victory or the Koroks(or semi korks) returning from all the carnage You could argue Gazskull and all of thr other Overfeings teaming up is enough too because the only reason the Orcs lost is that they didn't have another person of Gazskull's level(Octarious leader was his level tbh)

[@azeria1]

Ok inquisitor krytman

[@DzinkyDzink]

​@@dogecursor5190yeah right, Orks are just missing some proper neuron activation to become the Krorks 😂

[@crabbowiththestabbo]

The thing about immunity is there needs to be a survivor. If a bioweapon kills a swarm down to the bug, the tyranids can’t discover an immunity, so it will still work.

[@Oltyx_der_Goldene]

I think one of the best methods to beat the Tyranids would be galactic wide Necron bio-transference, they are already a hard counter against them and in the same swipe it would also defeat Chaos.

[@MyNameIsSalo]

its fun to speculate but I assume the nids are written to be more of a "force of nature" rather than an enemy. It's like a tornado or hurricane, you cant fight it or get rid of it, you can only minimise the impact when it eventually happens. If the nids were meant to be a character with a face, written as an enemy to be killed, then the entity controlling the hivemind would be much more well known and developed in the lore, but it's just a footnote that we don't know much about because you're not supposed to destroy the nids. You don't destroy a tornado or hurricane.

[@theadtheogrekiller5629]

Tyranids shadow in the warp can disrupt and break necron technology as of one of Trazyns novels, so its possible that making a strong enough synapse creature and just existing in the pariah nexus could break it apart pylon by pylon.

[@seanbrazell7095]

The Silent King and his Necrons might also intervene, especially when the Silent King actually told Dante that he had great respect for the God Emporer and wished they had met and forged an alliance before he had fallen and installed - SEEMINGLY - for all time on the golden throne. It's even possible that the Emporer may be able to give the necrons back their souls AND their flesh (or their souls at least.

[@nickpethick7944]

The lion will save us all!

[@ChickenCaptain]

for the LION

[@baannaanaguy]

No he wont glory to the dinistys

[@BioHunter1990]

Flamers. Really, really big flamers.

[@chiefkeef74]

Flamers? In this economy?

[@strumjack]

Brother get the flamer, the heavy flamer.

[@gideonmele1556]

Have you any idea what prometheum costs these days?

[@BioHunter1990]

@@gideonmele1556 cheaper then farm equipment.

[@massgunner4152]

Skip straight to meltas, can't adapt if there is no flesh to do it.

[@casbot71]

Just use the main deflector to generate an _inverse tachyon pulse._ That'll disrupt the Nids psy connection. And if that doesn't work, _reverse the polarity of the neutron flow._

[@anonenormous2376]

Ayyye. Maybe if you were Henry C. You'd be able to pick a super model up with your warhammer collection.

[@sasanahadian2859]

Superb video as always @majorkill. Could you make a video dedicated to the Navigators, the major houses, their politics, relation to the overall Imperium and factions

[@Johan-tq3fk]

A video about, what if there were no loyalist elements in the traitor legions ,this would also count for omegon and magnus. So there would be no need for the culling at isthvaan and weakening of the traitor forces.. this would be very intresting to see what all the effects would be on the succes of the heresy.

[@whydidyoutubeaddthis]

The actual problem is that the hive mind should be fuck tons stronger once the actual fleet is here. There is no reason to think they would still operate the same way. They probably won't even need those stronger links on the field since their presence over the whole galaxy will coat it like a thick bile.

[@krogan3760]

It’s definitely possible that a galaxy to the nid is like a single human to the empire. A galaxy is completely insignificant to a universe.

[@waywardstoner9416]

A precise strike to one of their motherships could perhaps severe their connection to the hivemind in a large radius. Tyranids are always on the offensive and rarely defending themselves from another faction

[@Ge_n_Ge]

We have the Necrons weapon that can wipe the whole galaxy if needed just by pointing on that

[@Esteban45696]

I thought it'd end with in act of desperation after the Tyrandis invade and all the races losing so much ground the mechanicus developed a way to put their consciousness into necron bodies overwriting what ever was in there and saving the human race but being dammed by the Inquisition.

[@manden6652]

Video idea: The most used and unique weapons + relics used by each legion.

[@Babylauncher3000]

You’d need The Emperor to return as a literal chaos God and psychically nuke the hivemind on a galactic scale.

[@MyNameIsSalo]

In doing so he would destroy a lot more than just the Nids. Humanity goes extinct if he ever leaves the golden throne

[@Voldrim359]

One thing to say is the adaptation takes some time after they experience a virus or sickness, even with tacticts and such... That's why a mixed tacticts against two factions screw them hard since the nids only see food, not different races except for chaos... Another thing is that nids rarely fight against necrons since the gauss weapons disintigrates the entire biomass, meaning they cut their resources and can't get that much of biomass in the tomb worlds, so they usually try to not engage with them

[@nialpollitt3410]

I'm pretty sure an intact C'tan could turbo fuck a hive fleet.

[@geeljire9247]

Someone should the mechanicus this and then inform them there’s one under Mars

[@rxonmymind8362]

Absolutely.

[@MWH12085]

One of those 40k instances of 'if [X] was to happen, they'd lose/win' If the Imperium, Eldar (both), Tau, Volante league, Orks, Necron, Chaos all teamed up and actually dealt with the Nids, they'd obliterate them easy, only chance they'd have is bring in the entirely of the Nid forces.....but this is 40k and we can't have nice things

[@wyvernnemecek595]

Turning all dead Tyranids into varied Servitors would be the scariest solution to the problem, imho. It would also mean that every criminal, rather than being sloppily lobotomized is drafted into a guardsman on the frontline. We’d be nearly sextupling the Imperium’s forces, especially with Yvraine, Farsight and Cawl being unafraid to mix and mash with the Imperium in the first place. Use this in conjunction with the rejuvenation approach, and suddenly we have a never ending supply of war machines that fuel our ability to further develop our sciences. We stalemate the Nids long enough to actually find a proper solution. Imagine a Carnifex being turned into an organic dreadnought for heavily crippled VIPs. A Bio-Titan kept alive through Mechanicus fuckery would outperform its wholly organic counterpart because it has fuck knows what tank turrets added on top of its natural defenses. Spore mines are retrofitted to be terraforming tools, Guardsmen riding Gaunts like raptors, Astartes being given Hive Guards as an organic alternative to the hell of being in a Dreadnought… It would be awesome! It also opens us up to turning Genestealers into Servitors, which is a must! Expendable soldiers like that, used against their former masters, while the notes and research of Biophagi are turned against the Nids by the Biologis. There’d be no hope for the Nids. Of course, this would require some Hereteks and Biologis to swapping notes, not to mention Cawl pitching this to Guiliman post nutting in Yvraine to get these even approved…yet it is an option, if a fun one, hypothetically.

[@rpscorp9457]

If the mechanicus had a solution that worked, they would have already tried it.

[@wyvernnemecek595]

@@rpscorp9457 no they wouldn’t, innovation is the enemy! They need to find old technology that’s been damaged by ten thousand years of neglect and environmental degradation.

[@lukaszrower7612]

There's really no telling what's out there in the galaxy... So the fun can get very, very dark.

[@JerrybutTaller]

How different do you think the setting would be, and what would be different if slaanesh's birth had been stopped, or they had been killed immediately after being born?

[@jakehinton732]

Heard them all into the emperor's webway and close it off under psychic lock and key then let them eat each other into oblivion

[@seanbrazell7095]

Given the seeming exponential increase In the big E's psychic power I think that if it came to a head on Terra He might finally rise from the golden throne and teach the Tyranid hivemind the DIRECT relationship between fucking around and finding out.. .

[@rxonmymind8362]

He used maybe 10% of his power through the librarian. He channeled his psychic ability through the librarian and killed a psychic nid. So if Big E where do they handle it himself I'm sure he would destroy the nid.

[@heathermillsphantomlimb9314]

As long as the plastic crack keeps selling, no faction will ever be wiped out. Maybe one day, the GW CEO’s will decide to retire and burn it all down. Maybe Trazyn will accidentally release an Ogryn, and it’ll somehow wander into the Celestial Orrery, then erase the entire galaxy thinking he’s completing a Connect the Dots picture, but nothing will ever be permanently defeated as long as there are miniatures to paint and lore to retcon for “modern audiences.”

[@Pinkey_dyxx]

Teraformimg consumed planets would just add additional biomass for the hive. As they often leave behind dormant broods that rise and start a second consumption cycle

[@Burning-Twilight]

I honestly think that if Warhammer ever reached a point where the Imperium managed to ally or convince most of the other factions to work with them they would first deal with the nids and then eventually set sights for the chaos gods themselves. In whcih case in the end they would either work out aome form of mutual agreements or at the very least be less hostile to one another.

[@MyNameIsSalo]

In warhammer they did reach that point, and then the horus heresy began. No one is uniting against anything again. The emperor made sure of that whether intentional or not

[@Burning-Twilight]

@@MyNameIsSalo You never know with Guilliman running the show things could change.

[@Mikeanium]

What if the Mechanicus decides to make more battle droids/drones that can be controlled from distance, like a single droid with a bolter to fight the Nids, it'd be so easy to mass produce and yet so devastating with zero net gain to the Tyrannids because metal isn't biomass. also the Humans piloting it would get better at fighting the Nids just as the Nids get better at it.

[@skalgrimfellaxe5796]

Metal is just another material nids use. They also consume their losses (so = no losses) and the goal isn't biomass, its the whole planet said biomass is on = more useful matter to make biomass from.

[@Mikeanium]

@@skalgrimfellaxe5796 Even then, it's probably better than random guardsmen sent to battle

[@reckoner1913]

So the Mechanicum a) invents something new and b) it's potentially an abominable intelligence. I sense lore issues.

[@Mikeanium]

@@reckoner1913 drones, they don't have sentience, they are drones

[@joheric8886]

​@@MikeaniumThere is a reason you aren't in charge

[@gondwannaland]

Unpopular opinion: Men of Iron could incinerate massive amounts of biomass in exchange for very little gains on the part of Tyranids regarding biomass acquired. Give them cyborgs some plasma.

[@reidcacaro2919]

Depending on their space travel methods and how fast/far they can travel. think a decent strategy would be to completely destroy all planets in their path making sure sure all food sources are turned to ash, depriving them of food. If done long enough/large enough area it could kill off a large portion of the fleet if not all of it.

[@balder4295]

Short answer: Heresy! **BANG**

[@sick_bartender]

How about a flesh eating bacteria supercharged by Terran scientists or Fabius Bile or Belisarius Cowl. Also a pretty strong batalion of blanks could mess up the hive mind connection.

[@AG-en5y]

My legion will consume everything. Even the corpse emperor

[@jakemaster33]

... Shipmaster they outnumber us 3,000 - 1... "Then it is an even fight"..

[@I-am_Alpharius]

Day 26: What if Omegon returned to the setting?. What would happen, how would Guilliman and The Lion react?. Would be a pretty cool video.

[@notsoberoveranalyzer8264]

3:40 Eldar decide to work with Orkz, revive Korkz, and Necrons help. ( Id suggest that this happened around the Horus Heresy, to explain where those Korks came from, and went. The hive mind starting a MASSIVE invasion, but were held off by these three factions. ( The Necrons actually noticing it first. But they called for “help” not because they’d loose, but the Necron numbers are limited, where as the Nids are infinite. And the Necrons realized it was only a matter of time till the Nids evolved some hard counter. So before that, they requested help. This forced the Nids to re-evaluate. They felt intimidated knowing they couldn’t absorb necrons. Necrons having crazy tech. Korkz + orkz stop them from just outnumbering. And Eldar being a crazy ass support role with their psyker powers. Which is why in present day, they use the tactics that they do. ( Always being on guard.) This would revive the Nids intimidation ~ Because the Old Ones created Korkz + Eldar to fight the Necrons. Imagine if the Necrons lead the Eldar + Korkz. But the Nids are still planning/working on a come back - meaning they don’t think, they KNOW they could win. Which again, in present day is why they have these sorta “scouting hive fleets”. Which are massive, can take on entire sectors but their real goal is to collect information/counters. But now with the imperium/tau/normal Orkz ( in particular Ghaz), and Chaos is what’s making the Nids extra confused/cautious because : “What if they work together.” “What if the imperium find a way to get psykers from Nids and revive The big E.”, “What if Tau’s Greater Goods sole purpose is to get everyone to work together, defeat the Nids and follow the Nids to their home Galaxy.” “ what if Greater Good, Big E, Chaos Gods are just another version of the Hive Mind”~ As the hive mind sorta represents hunger. It’s the

[@TeacherTaj]

Thanks for your wit, sarcasm, and introspection, when discussing the 40k universe. Right on Majorkill!

[@IntEngT]

Sad

[@KevinoftheCosmos]

that Xenonid Black Terror is f*cking sick

[@aidanmcmurtrie1424]

In the end the tyranids were found to have that most terrifying power. Plot

[@Odinfang]

I think Vashtorr with Perturabo’s technovirus can solve the nid problem! Iron warriors once infected a nid bioship and turned it into a Titan carrier. Vashtorr can control technology, as displayed with how he killed tau. If he got his hands on enough of the technovirus to makes MANY bombs that all go off at once, a nid hive fleet could be infected and controlled by Vashtorr in a single, simultaneous blow!

[@thomaskusk7362]

I did not know the part about being able to bring back devoured world through teraforming. So here's a bright idea, teach the tyranids how to terraform, it would be like teaching them farming. Then I'm sure they will just nom on them and not the rest of the galaxy, and it would in no way or form go horribly wrong ;) I would though be careful about giving a race as adaptable and able to rapidly make new weapons through evolution like tyranids to many good ideas to copy and use against the galaxy when it comes to bioweapons, also the part about why tyranids can't handle 2 different opponents at once never made sense to me when they are supposed to be super adaptable, and they create hive fleets that are specialised to fight specific. So they could combine them sorta like they do with Kronos, where other fleets go out of their way to kept them fed, while Kronos fight chaos demons, though the exact details on how Kronos exactly are different a bit iffy. For a super adaptable race that supposedly can make new bioforms within hours or days like zoantrhopes or biotitan after they had their first runin with other races titans, they now had hundreds of years to evolve, and not really all that much to show for it . Besides I bet that when/if they ever have to kill off the nids they will pull a psychic attack thingy like they did in war of the beast, and just wave they fingeres and the problem wil magically go away, through space magic.

[@hollow1991]

just use bug spray

[@Jestnarr]

Nah, thats expensive archeotech.

[@evilbabai7083]

Spray and pray...

[@kylemiller6765]

I think the Necrons can just solo. They would need to revive all the tomb worlds though.

[@abdullahirfan9991]

If only we had grandma's power slipper.

[@Bumbleoka]

When you see the galaxy map and the tyranid huge hive coming, you now it’s doomed no matter what, except for the Necron I guess

[@trumediamix1]

Honestly, the Tyranids are bluntly trying to OM NOM NOM the Milky Way like as if they were playing a StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm longplay. Having Sly Marbo kill the Hive Mind outright (like in the pinned comment's example) is equivalent to nuking the only Level 3 Zerg Hatchery they had. It'd *_DEFINITELY_* set them back - but I'd not be surprised if they were capable of abracadabra-ing a new one. In fact, the Zerg tried to huddle together some of their Cerebrates to rebuild the Overmind during the Brood War - only for the attempt to be sabotaged by Kerrigan's ragtag alliance of her loyalists' brood, the UEF, the Terran Dominion, Raynor's Raiders, and the combined Protoss of the Daelaam & Nerazim... (whom she and the Zerg all stabbed in the back in a horrific massacre shortly afterwards...)

[@Enja_Near]

But.... The Hive Mind is the gestalt consciousness of all the Nids. You have to kill all the bugs to kill the hivemind. It's like every Psynapse nid is its own zerg hatchery.

[@trumediamix1]

@@Enja_Near The hivemind is basically being relayed by the Tyranids' armies like as if their "heroes" give off those much-needed combat auras. The thing is... those auras are being BROADCASTED - as in the Hive Tyrants and likewise of the Tyranid Swarms are basically Elites and Brutes compared to the Grunts. Kill them, and the small guys are easy pickings. Not to mention, it's safe to assume there's an even bigger fish that's transmitting that aura to the "Elites & Brutes" to begin with. That's what we're thinking about throwing Sly Marbo at. Idk if that was what Majorkill had in mind, but this is definitely one of my spins on the take. lmfao

[@spiffywolf2850]

If somehow the empire, chaos and necrons worked together they might win. They lure in large fleets to a system, fuck up the nids on the ground or small encounter in space then when the nids hungry and starved the necrons make planet go boom with there funny tech, or the empire does some heretical shit and awakens ai bots and sends them to fight the nids and bio wepons as you said, maybe you use death eater virus etc.

[@kamaeq]

Everyone forgets that the is plenty of evidence that hive fleets fight each other, which means the supposed "main body" likely could be a husk of the late leaving fleets.

[@jtfbreedlove]

Well that one weird splinter fleet is building a transmitter(?) on Ziaphoria, my theory it that it's calling whatever bioforms left "sleeping" in eaten galaxies.

[@deaconsmith8795]

I have two theories about the tyranids but both involve them being created by the old ones, theory 1: During the war in heaven the C’tan needed souls to fuel their strength, the old ones couldn’t manage them though and but the to be extremely intelligent that way they would be self reliant. the tyranids were a way of starving them and depriving them of their power and food source but the necrons being metal scared them and pushed them back and the old ones put them back in ghosts shelf or their extreme intelligence told them tv war wasn’t worth it and they fled to save themselves . Theory 2: They are a giant reset button that either escaped or the surviving old ones unleashed, after the war in heaven the few old ones that survived began to repopulate and become ready to nurture the galaxy once more but many of what they created was for war, the orks thirsted for it had hulking beasts of war and the Aeldari psychic might weren’t meant for what they had in store, they were weapons for self defense not for peaceful life, so the old ones wanted the tyranids to devour they entire galaxy and archive their dna so whenever they came back the galaxy will be bare, ripe for them to restore the galaxy using the archived dna to reseed the galaxy

[@moreplease998]

Old Ones were based in the Milky Way and Nids are definitely not originally from the Milky Way. They've nommed 12 galaxies before finding out about this one. It's also in the stories somewhere that Nids have found this galaxy to be rather unusual, especially on the psychic activity front and how wild the warp is here

[@TheScience69]

I really want it to turn out that the hive mind is the emperor. While traveling through the warp from his throne, he found the tyranids and came up with his new plan: the thubder warriors were a failure. Space marines were a failure. The only sure fire way to defeat chaos is to use the nids to kill EVERYTHING else, so theres no one to worship chaos and the chaos gods lose their power.

[@oldmanbread1826]

I think a video on what if Magnus took the Emperor's replacement legion would be good

[@stripeybag6977]

Just a reminder that the Administratum is the reason the Imperium lost the ability and knowledge of how to ignite the upper atmosphere and made it so Tyranid drops would catch fire and die before hitting the ground. It's just sitting deep in the back of an archive somewhere. Day 524 of requesting a Commissar Yarrick Major Mini pls and thank you

[@noblechaos8142]

I don’t know if this has been discussed but why don’t the Necorns team up with the tyranids or utilize them to destroy all life in the galaxy so they can just take over again. Necorns are essentially immortal and could just re terraform the planets using their advance technology if they want to put basic life back on a planet.

[@akmalhafiz8763]

If the tendrils of the tyranids are basically just fingers at the moment, i can't imagine the full hand what's more an entire arm.

[@forestranger4325]

I don't understand how tiranids consume planets and don't have planetsize tirranid ship who carries minerals and biomass form consumed planets, do they have some kind of shrinking magic inside or something? Also how is it possible for tiranids to loose biomass if they consume planet anyway, it's not like their dead poof out of existence so in worst case scenario they should loose nothing and gain nothing.

[@matijasostojic4288]

Only biomass. Most larger bio ships are actually bigger than even the biggest ships the imperium has. And those ships are bassically smaller countries. A single planet COULD make a continent or a little bigger sized ship but its far more efficient to make a small splinter fleet of large bio ships then huge vessels that would be more vulnarable to wide scale bio weaponry or such.

[@Talashaoriginal]

In one of the Caiphas Cain-Novells a Psyker disrupted the hivemind of a splinterfleet by transmiting the signal of a different Splinterfleet.

[@KA-zv3yt]

I've always wondered due to the actual full size of them what would happen if they tried to invade the warp would they be able to make any real progress?

[@RedHornSSS]

The thing about immunity is that it's not free. It takes effort to create and maintain antibodies

[@amanofnoreputation2164]

The Tyranids are hyped up as unbeatable so that it's supposed to be significant when everyone bodies them. They're so unbeatable they go full circle and get stomped on like they're the Eldar, a faction which is taken for granted as doomed and yet their defeats are consistently treated as the result of hubris as though they justifiably need to be taken down a peg because otherwise they'd make everyone else look bad. These two extremes are made so that the Imperium gets to represent the unstoppable will of humanity and be that "plucky little faction that could" at the same time, or as and when it's convenient. In reality, they are always the centre of attention and everyone else is just an accessory to them.

[@legio-IV-Cataphract]

A video of the top ten community made wholesome moments would be great

[@kingzlayerch3817]

"harder than picking up a supermodel by showing her your warhammer collection" thats why i love this channel

[@TheRaiden316]

My pitch: worked metal and lots of it. Titans supported by skitari infantry, battle survitors, and battle automata would give the nids indigestion to go with their loss of biomass. Make sure each unit has a flamer, so they can't recycle their own biomass either!

[@Roofless11]

The key to the Nids is Yarick asking Ghaz to go full on Nid carnage.

[@CHRF-55457]

Or, we can pull some pages from star wars and move some stars. Granted, considering that the nids can still slowly enter the galaxy, this method would leave you trapped inside the milky way... unless you just leave a bunch of mines in space to blow up the nids when they try. In star wars there is this thing called a mass shadow. What it is, is basically a large celestial body with enough gravitational pull to yank ships out of hyperspace/FTL. The nids, have this bioship that is basically affected by strong gravitational pull of things it seems. So things like a blackhole, or a sun would easily fuck the nids from using FTL. Another thing from star wars, is the cloaked interdictor tech. From the thrawn books, it basically pulls ships put of FTL, before cloaking immediately again to hide its presence from the ship it just pulled out of hyperspace. When the ship returns back to hyperspace, it drops its cloaking and reactivates the interdiction field. Only Thrawn was able to detect it cus he smart asf.

[@sampfrost]

the store brand 40k range is brilliant

[@TheSeriousSoul]

5:50 seen this art piece many a time installing the Tyranid Mod

[@farmerkade2632]

Tyranid mod for what

[@Suojeluninja]

Well that depends on the author as stuff like chemical weapons and nukes would kill them IRL but authors ignore at will stuff like inertia and gravity.