Which Traitor Primarch Could be Redeemed & Which Loyalist Could Fall? | Warhammer 40k Lore

[@majorkill]

The best way for a traitor Primarch to be redeemed is to pick up some of the Cyber Dynasty Models : www.majorminis.com.au/pages/kagetora-cyber-dynasty-launch Only 3 days left!

[@jonathan6401]

How each pre-heresy primarch would react to the current imperium when placed in Gullimans shoes would be a cool video idea

[@Nishom0926]

For some reason I think Sanguinous would fall for Slanessh. Maybe it because all Bullshit Vampire stuff obsessive, Egotic and perfection and all that Instead of Khorne.

[@withlovefromlightindust591]

Hello Majorkill, Would you please make some lore videos on the Imperial Truth, the Imperial Creed, the Ecclesiarchy, and the High Lords of Terra? Pretty please? Thank you.

[@V.B.Squire]

Just watched your lore crime video of "beating up a diabetic" Don't worry lore crime is 10x better then Adeptus Podcastus

[@randompseudonym4519]

Already on it, chief! Just picked up the entire 31 piece army, and I can't wait to get my hands on it. I'm going to make them a kind of Farsight Enclave irregulars army and have the mech guy be a melee badass like Commander Farsight himself.

[@Kareszkoma]

Jaghatai Khan choosing sides: Loyalist: 'Is he going to choose the Emperor?' Traitors: 'Will he join our cause?' Jaghatai: *Unlock the Speed Force*

[@craigsinclair171]

Jaghatai Khan is contractually obligated to go fast. Sadly, there isn't a fast Chaos God (possibly Gork and Mork can go fast).

[@philleW12]

@@craigsinclair171Epic twist, The Khan will not join the Imperium when he returns but will instead join the Speed Freaks of the Orks.

[@Kareszkoma]

@@craigsinclair171 Fair. That or the Cult Mechanicus biker team. The Mechanicum keep being surprised how white scar armored vehicles are going faster and faster. How?

[@Intranetusa]

​ @philleW12 - When Jaghatai Khan finally comes out of the Webway, he will be leading an army of Space Marines, Eldar, Dark Eldar, and Orks riding on speed bikes.

[@Kareszkoma]

@@Intranetusa And the little orcs, gretchlings. A couple titans wanting to race maybe. It's gonna be fun.

[@fellowsoliderofchrist2263]

I can say if Rogal gets angry enough yeah Khorne might have a chance at corrupting him but otherwise Chaos can’t offer Dorn anything he wants. Because Rogal’s deepest desire is a galaxy at peace where he can create great works of art.

[@mattiaslime8926]

Actually The end of the death shows a different side of rogal dorn

[@TheWarmachine375]

Roboutian Heresy had Rogal Dorn being corrupted by Khorne.

[@g1es4u9]

I could see Dorn falling, especially if you think that he could be convinced that the great crusade is actually preventing peace in the galaxy. If the worlds were left alone then peace might of been more realistic and the chaos gods could show him that alternate future as a way to get him to rebel. All it takes is the one push right, thats what did Horus

[@nexustapio]

Id honestly think Rogal is stubborn and proud enough to fall to chaos if it meant he could get to best Perturabo, which is something Khorne could potentially offer

[@fellowsoliderofchrist2263]

@@g1es4u9 that is possible. But also do keep in mind Dorn lacked something that caused a lot of traitors to fall. That of course being daddy issues. That and Dorn is legitimately autistic and that’s not an exaggeration so it’s possible that Dorn is just incapable of being corrupted. It doesn’t mean that he couldn’t turn against the emperor though because that certainly is possible if given very specific circumstances.

[@TheWarmachine375]

Big E already redeemed Magnus the Red by taking his soul back from Tzeentch after poking the Indecisive Mollusk with His Golden Flaming Sword at the Warp.

[@custodianguardofthemagyari216]

I still waiting to join his next dnd session

[@gianaryantapl3797]

Actually, his soul now in possesion of the captain general.

[@custodianguardofthemagyari216]

@@gianaryantapl3797 unfortunately the captain general havent returned from mars yet

[@Broadcast13-9]

FELLOW ITEHATTS FANS RISE!

[@Th3TechPr1est]

​​@@custodianguardofthemagyari216AND HE'LL NEVER WILL! UNTIL WE MEET AGAIN!!

[@Mare_Man]

It's heartwrenching to see that the biggest factor in tempting Sanguinius and the final straw for Magnus' fall was their love for their sons

[@requiemnemesis2413]

No, Magnus's fall was caused by his own arrogance and warp fuckery

[@terminaro]

Imagine the Emperor having just half of that kind of love for his primarchs

[@myself2noone]

​@@terminaroYeah, it's probably no coincidence that the least likely to fall was the Primarch with two parents.

[@duplicitouscanadian3073]

​@@myself2nooneI mean, G-Man wasn't anywhere near falling but neither was the Lion, who's family life can be summed up with non-existent. But yeah, Primarchs with a healthy childhood were better off on average

[@GamingSpoiler]

Khorne: "Serve me Rogal, and I shall put the entire Galaxy at your feet!" Rogal: "It's not physically possible to put the entire Galaxy at my feet, my feet are much smaller, also get fucked"

[@CidVeldoril]

Khorne: "...did you know some voxhailer dude almost murdered the Boy?" Rogal: "...excuse me."

[@deanastephensosborne5604]

​@@CidVeldoril khorne: and said voxhailer was a servant of the emperor

[@Xynth25]

Konrad Curze is actually the easiest redeem. The Emperor was actually actively trying to, he just showed up too late and Sanguinius spaced Konrad first. The Emperor never saw Konrad as a traitor, just mentally ill and fixable.

[@sixstringslayer6438]

Agreed, I think shark daddy is actually Konrad Curze. I think Konrad knew he needed to die (to get his head on straight) which again is why shark daddy shows up when he needs to and from nowhere. It could be a way to bring back Konrad

[@Xynth25]

@@sixstringslayer6438 Nah, Tyberos isn't Primarch size. That's blown out of proportion. He's just a big space marine Edit: To clarify, in the actual description of Tyberos he's a head taller in his terminator armor than his brothers in theirs. That only puts him around 9-10ft max. Even Dorne and Alpharius Omegon have him beat.

[@BeatmasterAC]

@@Xynth25 Tyberios has Modified Dreadnaught Armor combined with modified Terminator Armor, just to fit in. He is the biggest Space Marine ever recorded, who isn't a Primarch. With his Armor he is about 15+ feet tall (Majorkill made a video about him a la biggest space marines or space marines who could beat a Custodes), towering over even Horus in his Terminator Armor. Only Vulkan and Magnus would be bigger than him.

[@Xynth25]

@@BeatmasterAC Majorkill is also *wrong* about that. Read the book he shows up in.

[@Xynth25]

@@BeatmasterAC His armor is power armor with pieces of Tactical Dradnaught Armor added...ie, Terminator Armor. The picture everyone loves of him isn't official *at all.* He's a big space marine. That's all he is.

[@planetbob6703]

Magnus could probably be redeemed. He wanted to be loyalist and the thing currently wearing his face isn’t really him. If his better shards are put together that's a loyalist right there. Clone Fulgrim is also a solid possibility. Loyalist Fulgrim returning would be an interesting conflict with demon Fulgrim and the instinctual loyalty of their legion.

[@dyslegein]

It's a wild and very fan fictioney idea but I'd love to see free clone fulgrim and abandoned original fulgrim travel together.

[@RedXlV]

It would be hilarious to see Clonegrim interact with Daemon Fulgrim, and thus show that Fulgrim became so pathetic that he can't even corrupt himself to Chaos.

[@milankostic2571]

I think Blood Ravens might end up being a key factor to redeeming Magnus

[@40knpride]

Guilliman already is falling, to Tzenetch...just we're listening to the Ultramarine propaganda

[@christiandauz3742]

Since none of you idiots read the Bile Trilogy, let me enlighten you poor masses Bile notes that Clonegrim is just as arrogant and open to any kind of corruption. Any Emperors Children next to him are acting LIKE THE MOMENTS RIGHT BEFORE THE HERESY Bile concludes that his Primarch and his Legion were LONG CORRUPTED LONG BEFORE SLAANESH CONTROLLED THEM When Fulgrim was a baby, one of the workers of Chemos found a book of drawings. It showes adult AND Daemon versions of Fulgrim! Majorkill doesn't know what he's talking about!

[@Ultra_Sauce]

I would love for Perturabo to rejoin the imperium due to how funny it would be. Having the iron warriors use Daemon Engines to fight Daemons would be an incredible twist of irony

[@drkittyphd6205]

They wouldn't use daemon engines, for obvious reasons. But if they were paired with a guard regiment like the Death Korps of Krieg they could solo the entire setting

[@texteel]

get it, irony, because iron warriors

[@youwannaknoweh]

He would just continue to feel unappreciated and sulk about it

[@JoshTheHoffman]

The Grey knights would have something to say about that.

[@Ultra_Sauce]

@@youwannaknoweh he would have two brothers and the emperor probably psychically talking to him

[@adventarchivist5789]

Great Idea of a video: What Warp Powers could each Primarch have? We know each primarch has some ability tied to the warp that some haven't tapped into yet. The Lion has his new foreatwalk ability and Corvus became a shadow creature. So what other powers could each primarch have?

[@Lord-Regent-of-the-Imperium]

I think a better question is What is G-Mans ability? Is it just even better logistics skill?

[@Neoth40k]

Gorila Man would certainly turn into a Gigant Codex 2.0

[@TheCorrodedMan]

⁠@@Lord-Regent-of-the-ImperiumIt’s an Aspect power. He can channel the Emperor and become an Avatar for him. For Angron, it’s his immense rage, but in the past it might have been the ability to heal an entire group of people with just a thought. We know what Corvus can do, and Lorgar. Horus was his supreme charisma, able to sway a world in minutes. Mortarion could probably become invulnerable, while Khan could most likely become a blur of pure speed. Alpharius was Alpharius, so Alpharius.

[@TheBacknblack92]

​@@Lord-Regent-of-the-Imperiumg man would probably fall to tzeentch if anyone. So expert planning skills and probably foresight into what will occur.

[@Lord-Regent-of-the-Imperium]

@@TheBacknblack92 Foresight isn't a bad idea if it wasn't already a precedent with Konrad and Sanguinius

[@mattiaslime8926]

Rogal dorn was mere inches from falling to khorne and i also like how instead of the classics rage,war and bloodlust khorne almost corrupted rogal dorn in a very deceiving manner. Really show how complex the chaks gods can be

[@Super50ldier]

Sanguinius was the closest to falling to Khrone and becoming a Daemon Prince of Khrone.

[@AvACyberSecurity]

In fairness it's not mere inches. Time has ceased and he has been gone at for thousands of years stuck in the warp while time stands still on Terra. What happened to most in a split decision, Rogal goes through century after century in isolation stuck in the warp alone and STILL just manages to remember who he is. All in the subtleties of the book.

[@chestnut4860]

What book?

[@AvACyberSecurity]

@@chestnut4860 latest Siege of Terra book. The End and the Death.

[@BlueTable-t6k]

@@AvACyberSecurityyep, for more details by the halfway point his armor, sword and everything else that wasnt him had rusted away into dust and sand. Imagine how long it takes for AURAMITE to rust in natural conditions

[@samueltrusik3251]

I just want to see Magnus redeemed, because of TTS.

[@dragonstormx]

I also want to see that.

[@Th3TechPr1est]

Yea

[@texteel]

I want to see magnus redeemed because russ was a fuckwit who didnt get punished

[@batmaiden1378]

It's canon to me and I don't care

[@BeatmasterAC]

@@batmaiden1378 sooo...Kitten and Shadowsun? * wink wink * XD

[@Dontshutmeup]

I don't think Corax would ever fall to "chaos" per se, but for him to become so single-mindedly focused on vengeance against the traitor primarchs due to warp influence and his own fury that he inadvertently becomes a massive issue to the imperium might be pretty compelling.

[@TheWarmachine375]

*looks at Roboutian Heresy Corvus Corax* Yeah sure...

[@MorganF729]

I honestly think the coolest idea to make Corax an evil-ish character would be for him to devote to Malal/Malice. Hellbent on revenge, white and black... He is already going there

[@ekulerudamuru]

​@@MorganF729thats not malice though, malice is all about true chaos and evil, evil as in they thrive on commiting evil "malice" to everthing, unlike the 4 chaos god who has "good" sides, malice is just that, evil incarnate, vegeance isn't evil per se which is what is Corax all about

[@koichidignitythief7429]

Corvus would definitely be swayed to being a traitor if convinced the Emperor is just another tyrant like the ones he fought on his home planet.

[@christiandauz3742]

Corax noted that he and his Legion are not so different from Konrad and the NL Corax when angry does do horrible things to his enemies

[@zdbragg]

Actually, Belisarius Cawl has pure 15th legion gene seed for his Primaris Project. He could very easily create a new thousand sons legion for a redeemed Magnus. If he hasn't already.

[@lokensicarius9347]

*cough* blood ravens *cough*

[@koichidignitythief7429]

That didn’t really sway him back at the imperial palace. He found it insulting that the emperor demand he give up on his legion.

[@alexdraco9926]

@@lokensicarius9347 look just because we have a ridiculously high number of psykers have Magnus' unceasing lust for knowledge and anyone of us who finds out who our dad is buries the secret and somehow had our geneseed in cawls vault despite being a successor chapter who doesn't know who we came from doesn't mean we're the sons of Magnus. I mean we are but that's not what that means

[@ambrosiogiovanni6952]

@@lokensicarius9347 I was about to say that. A redeemed Magnus already has a loyalist 15th Legion, even the color scheme looks like the old Thousand Sons.

[@lokensicarius9347]

@@ambrosiogiovanni6952 an how many active marines are in a chapter? 1000. "in kronks voice - its all coming together" 😅

[@Trazynn]

Fulgrim has a clone so either one of them can be loyalist and the other can be traitor. Would make for two great models and some seriously cool stories.

[@scorbiot]

Similarly Magnus had some big shards of his soul in possession of the imperium. If they died, the Emperor presumably held on to them and he could probably bring them back to the real world, even if temporarily, like the legion of the damned.

[@chiefkeef74]

Pretty sure Clonegrim actually got the original's soul so he's back to his pre corrupt state

[@zarektheinsane6656]

I would love to see Angron being redeemed by Celestine and being embraced by the light he was meant to be in. Edit for typo

[@dominushydra]

I think Angron way too lost in the sauce.

[@Geraduss]

@@dominushydra Not if we get a clone of Angron with his true soul intact and no nails in his brain.

[@dominushydra]

@@Geraduss Fulgrim already has that plot. It also makes sense for his character since he's The Phoenix reborn. Makes zero sense for Angron

[@arnedecraemer7611]

i dont know angron was always goin to die. so cloning him would make sence. and emps refusing the clone to fight because he is to young and inexperienced would be a repeat of history. a angron clone could work. a healer staying at his father side for 10 000 years and either fighting as gutz in the beserk armor or godfrey from elden ring but with demon angron grafted to him. meaning he still carries his demon but isnt engulfed in it

[@TheCorrodedMan]

That would be sweet and sad at the same time. Celestine basically just gives the big guy a hug and squeezes the Khorne out of him. Then he’s like “Are you my mummy?”

[@abdullahirfan9991]

The only traitors i can personally see coming back to loyalists are magnus and fulgrim (more accurately, his clone). Corvus is actually pretty knee deep in the warp with his whole lorgar hunting quest so he could potentially be corrupted but then again corvus has proved to be a tough cookie.

[@ianharrison5758]

See if Corvus is corrupted it won’t be by Chaos bc he’s known abt it to some extent even pre heresy, and knows that they are the reason Lorgars his main target rn. I can see him being used to introduce a relatively minor warp entity that was originally neutral or good natured pre war in heaven, but was warped to be more demonic/chaotic in nature. We know beings like that can exist, given how Vashtoor is basically a warp entity of mad science and weapon creation, it’s very possible he’s the twisted evolution of a former god of creation that’s had its nature twisted over the millions of years. With time being non existent in any localized sense within the warp it could even be possible that warp entities like that(idk if vashtoor actually is it’s just an idea) could exist in their pre war in heaven and modern forms at once. Which anyone would encounter would vary depending on who it is and what they are connected to as warp entities. I actually really like the idea that since the emperors soul and mind have been shattered into multiple autonomous pieces, that Corvus is actually working with one of the darker shards of his soul, like a particularly large shard of his soul containing his wrath and fury could have been shaped by mortal beliefs over time to be unrecognizable as a piece of the emperor from the outside. He’s the hidden blade in the darkness that will basically do whatever black ops shit the emperor needs while he waits for Lorgar to grow a pair

[@domagojgalekovic8507]

Lorgar literally said Corvus has 0 chaos taint on him. He is not a daemon. In fact I'd wager he is just shadowwalking on such an insane degree he appears to be a raven looking creature rather than actually being a physically changed person.

[@HappyBirthday0707]

I don’t think there’s any chance Russ would have fallen. He had his flaws but I think a lot of the perception of him as a mindless attack dog is based on either a) times he was manipulated (Prospero) or b) times when he’s pulling the wool over everyone’s eyes by putting on the whole barbarian lord persona. When he went to try to 1v1 Horus during the Hersey, he was never actually forbidden from this by Malcador and even had Big E’s tacit approval after he gave Leman his spear for that exact purpose. Russ went to fight him because he knew it was the single best chance he had of ending the Hersey. If he’d won, which he was within a gnat’s dick length of doing, the war would have been over. Leman was just doing what he knew best and it was incredibly close to paying off. He had flaws but his loyalty was beyond question where it mattered. He was trusted in ways that few of his brothers were. Sanguinius was definitely the closest one to falling and Khorne had a hard on for him and the blood angels in a way he didn’t for any other primarch.

[@GoDSkRiLLa69]

With how often Magnus is painted poorly by fans I'm fully glad you gave him the proper attention he deserves in this light, I've been loving reading him in the Heresy and Siege for these reasons and the Lore is why I went with Tsons in the first place!

[@ChivalryStonks]

I’d love for Angron to return as a loyalist, have his warp god to come back with a clone like the perfect Fulgrim one. The war hounds legion was one of my favorites before he took over and there fall to chaos.

[@Dark_Tesla]

For what, the emperor did everything in his power to make Angron hate him. His betrayal was the most justified. Not even a betrayal, he stated his intention from the jump. Big E knew it too.

[@TheBlackBowser_]

@@Dark_Tesla Angron had a choice, betraying the Emperor wouldn't make a damn worth of difference, Angron just needs to learn to cope.

[@ethandoser7216]

I’m pretty sure the emperor could’ve saved Kurze, I don’t think his fall would’ve been guaranteed if he was tutored under sanguinius instead of fulgrim, and spent more time with the emperor so he understood his power and wouldn’t go insane trying to resist it

[@Notbatman374]

I dont disagree, but a slight correction. Kurze doesn't resist his powers. He obsessed over them. Sanguinius comments during the heresy that what he sees is not set in stone, it can change, and that they are merely glimpses of possibilities. Kurze does the opposite, he accepts his foresight as fact and immutable and incapable of change. He reveled in how he would not be killed by his brothers but by his father's assassin at a future date in time. This is why he took big risks, and fought the Imperium secundus basically single handedly. (Yeah his Legion was there too, but he wasn't leading them and was basically an absent father through the whole shebang)

[@nuhrii3449]

@@Notbatman374 but that happened right, see thats the problem with prophecies, its really hard to tell if anything is going to avoid the prophecy, is avoiding going it to advance it, like macbeth, if so it does really matter what you do, and considering konrad curze was right about almost everything, meant that yeah the future its set in stone, like he knew he was going to be part of the great crusade, not like he could say no, angron said no and he was pressed ganged and had to be convinced to "help" and hes much more unstable than curze was ever. it also come down to the fact that dorn, vulkan, and fulgrim were assholes, and never really bothered to help him

[@discountplaguedoctor88]

Slight corrections that someone else has already gone over aside, the only alternate timeline where Konrad is mentored by a different Primarch that I've seen is the Dornian Heresy, where Magnus is the guy who's stuck tutoring the Night Haunter. There's most likely more alt fics with a similar idea out there, but that's not the point.

[@VengeanceMkII]

Those depictions of a chaos Sanguinius are utterly horrifying and I can definitely see him destroying the Imperium...

[@fuchsmichael93]

Turning into a Demonprimarch would arguably be a Downgrade for Sangi. He wouldnt be able to become as strong as he was at the Siege of Terra. He foresaw his own Death and accepted it and also his own Nature.

[@christiandauz3742]

Chaos Sanginius would have Teleportation and Sorcery! A single Lightning blast from him would take out an Emperor Titan! Chaos Sangy can speed up the Warp activity and Chaos corruption on Terra by killing more Loyalists

[@davidtodd2104]

The Big E held the loyalty of two above all others. Constantin Valdor and Leman Russ. So much so they were the only ones granted visions after the Emperor was entombed within the golden throne. Both sent on some secret mission. Russ was depressed for years after the Emperor fell. He was the Emperors executioner and second found after Horus (ignoring Alpha legion Primarchs as no one really knows). Russ adopted the honour code of the Fenrisians. There is simply no way he would ever betray the Emperor to chaos. He would be the last to ever falter. Even standard Space Wolves with no psyker power are remarkably resistant to chaos.

[@MoaRider]

I really would like a video on what the 40K setting would be like if the Cabal's plans actually came to fruition, with the loyalists being wiped out and Chaos burning the galaxy for a bit before fizzling out.

[@ExecratedPlaysGaming]

There would be nothing left. The Cabal were all members of dead or dying Xenos races. Their plan was to destroy Chaos by letting it consume all of its fuel, so there'd be nothing left. Life would have to start over.

[@BeatmasterAC]

@@ExecratedPlaysGaming Tyranids: "What Life?" Necrons: " finally some space." Orks: "Oi, those Spiky Boys can't korrupt us. We always krump them, thx to Gork and Mork."

[@ExecratedPlaysGaming]

@BeatmasterAC Chaos wouldn't have vanished all of a sudden. Chaos would have been ascendant. The Necrons and Tyranids would be facing entire worlds worth of demons as powerful as Primarchs, led by Demon Primarchs more powerful than the Emperor. If Chaos had won, they would have kept winning until all of their food and fuel was gone.

[@seprithlicastia463]

In the Night Haunter Primarch book, I was always fascinated by its ending. Shortly before his death, Konrad Curze made a corpse effigy of the Emperor and tried to commune with the Emperor on the Golden Throne; he reveals he (Konrad) never betrayed the Emperor and only saw his actions as helping to fulfill the Emperor's plan --- being the monster, as he was intended to be. When the Emperor actually replies, either through his psychic might or maybe Konrad just hallucinated him, the Emperor actually forgives Konrad for his crimes (which Konrad rejects, insisting his evilness) and says he could have redeemed Konrad if only they had met one more time. That is a lot of twisted lore for a person whose moral and "good" side is called the Night Haunter. It basically puts Konrad Curze on the same tier as Alpharius; traitors who were actually loyal, but still fought again the Imperium.

[@InquisitorXarius]

9:00 Well The Emperor Also Being Apathetic Towards Magnus’ care for his sons also didn’t help.

[@koichidignitythief7429]

Literally tried pulling a Job with Magus and he rightfully said fuck you

[@trimeerious4349]

Well , getting a video about how each of the pre heresy primarchs would have reacted to being in Guillimans situation as imperial regent would be pretty cool ngl. Seeing how lorgar runs his dream imperium or perturabo makes a tough and grueling regime ( more than normal ) would be very interesting

[@unshelledpig2074]

YES BROTHER ONE DAY WE SHALL SUCCEED

[@mattiase204]

No. This idea blows.

[@Paulsen18]

I think if Emperor talked with Konrad how foresight works and that flaying babies isn't the nicest thing to do, he would be loyal

[@TalosValcoranOfTheFirstClaw]

Yeah, I mean Konrad literally let himself to be killed so he won't fall to chaos

[@Kierano777]

You missed the bit during Ruinstorm when the Lion, Sang and Gman were all tempted. Gman did come close to falling then. Lion closest of all.

[@christiandauz3742]

Majorkill knows shit about the Lore. Wish I can tell him to his face

[@MJRSA9404]

@@christiandauz3742 LOL and you do?

[@christiandauz3742]

@@MJRSA9404 Halfbreed LITERALLY FUCKING STATES that Perturabo IS A DAEMON PRINCE!

[@MJRSA9404]

​@@christiandauz3742 and? Majorkill literally says the same thing in this video. Secondly, you've completely avoided my question with something that doesn't even come remotely close to any statements made here. Are you high?

[@ianharrison5758]

@@christiandauz3742you wouldn’t if you had the chance. I’ve seen you in his comments on damn near every video either pulling shit out of your ass, being a massive chaos fanboy, insulting a theory for no reason or the type of shit you’re doing now. Idk or care if you use Reddit but you definitely give off Reddit and 4chan neckbeard energy

[@TheWarmachine375]

7:34 Big E would definitely use Redeemed Mortarion to free Isha and whisk her away from Nurgle.

[@AxleDoomrod]

I desperately want to know what would happen to the eldar if they got Isha back.

[@discountplaguedoctor88]

@@AxleDoomrod Knowing GW, they'd go about it in yet another way that screws over the Eldar.

[@planetbob6703]

Rogal could totally fall. Pre-Heresy Rogal was too calm but that had been... compromised... He already declared the emperor would regret this when he revoked his game master priviliges and gave them to Magnus instead.

[@zerosen1972]

The Dornian Heresey had already begun when Big E refused to acknowledge the importance of the Tuesday of Tacos. It's just in cold status as of now.

[@InquisitorXarius]

Perturabo could be redeemed, have Big E Apologize and Thank Perturabo and His Legion For doing the hard work no other legion did or could do during The Great Crusade.

[@rankcolour8780]

That's just Peter Turbo coping. The point of the Primarchs is that they all work that only they and their legion could do. Like the third Rangdan Xenocide which Big E gave to Russ and the Lion as no one else could do it. Perty just couldn't deal with that.

[@InquisitorXarius]

@@rankcolour8780 He could and more its just that at the time Perty was not with his legion if I recall correctly and even if he was I’m pretty sure Big D sent him against Xeno Empires and not the “Rangdan Xenocide” which spoiler alert there is no Rangdan it was the events of the 11th Legions Fall to Damnation and their Primarch ascending to become the 5th Chaos God Malice, and the self-sacrifice/martyrdom of the 2nd Legion and Primarch to save the Imperium and Banish Malice. It would also line up with the beginning of the Worship of The Emperor given the Psychic aftermath of the 2nds Death may have pushed the Emperor closer to the fate they defied.

[@rankcolour8780]

@@InquisitorXarius holy fan fiction batman. Literally everything you said is made up 😂😂😂

[@BloodBuffalo]

You need to read the night haunter. Konrad to me could potentially be brought back into the fold. He wanted to be good. Just no clue how and hates himself.

[@georgeblair3894]

Konrad Curze. I never bought into the whole, "He let himself be killed" story. Mortarion is too far gone, Angron has bigger issues to deal with (Orks), and my personal 'head lore' is the Demon Primarch conversion is permanent.

[@greenfrog8851]

The fact that you called Ferrus Manus *Head*strong is really hilarious to me lol.

[@OneReallyGrumpyJill]

Magnus getting redeemed sure is an interesting possibility that I haven't thought of, but man, I feel like, if something like that (or any traitor primarch getting redeemed for that matter) we might get Dorn as a traitor in 40K. I still put my caps on Slaneesh Dorn, it just works.

[@flithbrin]

For Corvus becoming a demon, didn't Lorgar say specifically that Corvus was not a demon when they fought?

[@endel12]

Correct. Corvus has tapped into his warp powers but is very explicitly not a demon.

[@TalosValcoranOfTheFirstClaw]

Well technically he's not a demon, it's more of his true potential form or some shit but because of Daemonic Traits that Corvus posseses when in this form it's easy to say that he's some kind of Loyalist Daemon but yeah in reality he's not

[@dwim6423]

2:41 ‘Ferrus was too headstrong’ not for long

[@kathywray9619]

😮

[@KyrieFortune]

The possibility of other Primarchs falling to Chaos would be tragic, and it would be interesting to see how this would affect the status quo with a stronger but more liable Chaos (imagine Rogal and Perturabo being on the same side, that would be a shitshow). The possibility of already fallen Primarchs being redeemed woukd have unfathomable consequences on the lore, since it is believed and attested that you cannot ever "unfall" from Chaos in any manner. Primarchs like Magnus or Perturabo either breaking the shackles of corruption or embracing their corruption in constructive ways that help humanity and not Chaos would send ripples through the beliefs of the Imperium and possibly the entire galaxy. (I would actually not count Clone Fulgrim in the second category, he is created uncorrupted; OG Fulgrim would be the second hardest to redeem imho, he could be de-corrupted unlike Lorgar but that would require the greatest metaphor for a rehab even concocted)

[@christiancowles9436]

I suspect Rogal the most of falling to chaos because of his addiction to the pain glove, but Sanguineous also makes a lot of sense.

[@orbitalbutt6757]

Sanguinius was tempted as much or more than anyone had ever been tempted and after his son's Meros' sacrifice forswore chaos forever. Horus used all his power and charisma to tempt him one last time, and the Angel refused. Which means more, to be born perfectly incorruptible, or to struggle harder than anyone has ever struggled against your darkest desires and temptations, only to choose good in the end?

[@tyrantsmisery]

Russ was never going to fall. It's pretty much stated by everyone in universe he was the only Primarch no one on any side thought would turn.

[@steffenronsch8881]

So he is the perfect candidate to fall

[@sethvoss1910]

Rogal's "cracks" are turning out to be an exciting underdog in the plot of Siege of Terra, at least for me. I'm really looking forward to see how that turns out. With that big Custodes plot point after the teleportation, they've really set the stage for anything being possible.

[@Jornelaz]

I'm so happy that you have gotten so much success with these model drops! It's incredible to see the growth over the years. I wish I was a table top player because I know I would have snatched up these models so fast! Congrats to you MajorKill!

[@gamesux420]

Is it even possible to come back from Chaos? Like the transformation feels like a done deal, if Morty stops receiving nurgles blessing the plagues are just gonna kill him.

[@notsoberoveranalyzer8264]

I would love to see the Night Lords be redeemed. Since they didn’t really fall directly to chaos. But considering their brutality, methods, ruthlessness, I would love to see a situation where the Tau come across recently “redeemed” night lords, only for them to think they’re Chaos influenced, but then to see how the Tau interact. Because, the Night Lords are very much like the Tau. They will always choose the option that results in the least number of deaths. And even Farsight & Konrad. How Konrad sees into the future, and Farsight being so good at predicting/forcing his opponents to take particular actions to then counter them. Also, Farsight & Conrad both essentially being forced out of their empires, they could relate a lot. Id just imagine a super bad ass fight between the two, then a team up. And eventually working together. Plus, how bad ass would it be of some Space Marines had access to Tau tech. Farsight feeling about Etherals as he does, he wouldn’t have Conrad brain washes, but I could see an Etheral helping Conrad learn to cope. And this would just be a great way, to make Tau more relevant. By showing that if they were ever to work with space marines / a primarch they would be insanely powerful. It would make their lore more interesting/nuanced. Confirming brain washing, but it’s not actually a bad thing. And so they have the potential to recruit others, without using force/brain washing, To show, the brainwashing thing isn’t nefarious. But the etherals over use it. Even if Tau found some Orkz. Not to directly work with. But to basically use them. To bait them into war torn areas, enemies like Nids/Dark Eldar/Chaos. By having a leader bait them to places to work as a sorta kamikaze tactic. As, even though the orkz are the opposite to Tau. Manipulating some. Knowing that the Dark Eldar/Nids/Chaos are far more dangerous. Giving Orkz what they want, ( Fighting) and some Tau sacrificing themselves for the greater good. Though this part about the orkz is more stupid/dumb tbh. But the Conrad part, I think could be done quite well. Though he’d remain a traitor, but not like Horus / Abby. A traitor that would fight the Imperium, because he sees them being worse over all. And is impressed by a young race, who has so much potential and can coexist.

[@w00ms48]

i think you forget that while the night lord do hate the imperiums guts, they were still raised by its values and still hold some of its beliefs, i dont think the night lords would be very open to working with xenos species.

[@christiandauz3742]

Read about Krieg Archebus, current leader of the Night Lords

[@raeliusdarkblade8747]

​@@christiandauz3742he is the leader of the biggest night lord warband not the leader of the nightlords Praise Decimus

[@christiandauz3742]

@@raeliusdarkblade8747 Decimus has nothing and is a weakling Archebus, Painted Count and Dhar'leth are Daemon Princes The Night Lords, Alpha Legion and Iron Warriors do worship Chaos

[@goatkiller666]

I’m just imagining the Khan being bomboardrd with thousands of messages, and it’l like his computer just has all these pop-ups until it crashes.

[@StaK_1980]

Magnus would be my pick. Being able to sit on the golden (errm, Necron) throne would be a HUGE boon for the setting! 🙂

[@yellowdancer7055]

Great Vid MK. You have legit upped your game on the lore front with the vids lately. Thumbs up brah

[@Sweetness71775]

Honestly Konrad is in the same boat as Perty. If the Emperor had shown Konrad that visions csn be flawed and fate is malleable and had the insanity of the Night Haunter extracted from the Nobility of Konrad Curze, he wouldn't have fallen.

[@benjaminotalora363]

I actually had no idea about the magnus/grey knights connection. If magnus does end up redeemed it would be really interesting if he was given command of the grey knights, seeing as most of his legion is power armor filled with angry dust

[@rafaelcarrera9436]

I'm still holding out for Mortarion to doublecross and slay Nurgle with the help from Isha, then claim the realm as his own warp based Imperium.

[@nowhere474]

MORTY can start his rebellion against the GRANDFATHER, by bathing 🧼

[@rafaelcarrera9436]

@@nowhere474 Nurgle: "Mortarion you have betrayed me! Now feel my wra...wait..what is that in your hand?!" *Mortarion laughing* "soap..." Nurgle: "Nooo!" Mortarion: "...and an exfoliating sponge!" *Nurgle in visible pain* "Aaarrgghhh" *Mortarion smirks as a now healthy and freshly cleaned and minty smelling former plague marine hands him a small bag* Nurgle: "N..no...no more. It is you who is the true monster!" *Mortarion reaches into the bag and pulls out bottles of multivitamins and skin care cream* *Nurgle and his minions begin to combust into smoldering clouds of ash, as the realm is transformed into a noblebright era of glistening hair, pearly white teeth, healthy skin, and a heavenly scent of eucalyptus and mint*

[@nowhere474]

@@rafaelcarrera9436 TZEENCH: JUST AS PLANNED!!!

[@EnclaveSoldier]

I bought one your bundles, can’t wait for it to arrive

[@GavinKane-x5z]

I e been watching this channel so much it’s become a routine part of my day and I don’t even play war hammer or anything bu Tim so into this like if Escher every episode so many times just keep it up man props to you 🙏🏻

[@srreina8117]

I think Angron could be redeemed if the Emperor disintegrated him and reforged his body like he did with Gulliman at the end of the plague wars. Without the nails he could think more clearly and be the Primarch he was meant to be.

[@TheWarmachine375]

Lion El'Jonson can never go traitor despite the many misinformed memes would make fun of. Duty is its own reward.

[@Inactive_Account29283]

His chapter however

[@ivanivanovic5586]

For those curious, the artist of khorne Sanguinius(part of bigger picture, also same artist for the returned loyalist primarchs) is Kim Chan. Good points on the who could be loyal/traitor if some things did/didn't happen. Gotta say, the skimmer, with some extra additions and upsized, could very well be a good tank as well, surprised it didn't materialize(maybe in the future?), and prices are more than reasonable(especially in my parts). The only thing missing, is the back view of the minis (either the picture or a 3d view of the full model would be nice).

[@MarekCapybara]

Most powerful successor chapter of each legion "well the legions that have a successor chapter"

[@ChaplainPhantasm]

"Ferrus is very headstrong." ...Is he though?

[@Spiderfisch]

He is just not very neckstrong

[@shimo971]

man u need to stop saying corvus has demon powers, they arent demonic at all, he legit walks through a demon ward with no issue.

[@Wafflemarine22]

Reminded me to check back on the Siege series and barely was able to find 1 hardcover for The End and Death vol 1. GW sure does not make getting physical copies of these books easy unless you constantly keep an eye on the releases.

[@patch7533]

Great timing!!! Just as I go on break😂

[@gc6096]

Nice have fun lol ^^

[@TriptuneRadio]

Guilliman and the ultramarines becoming a slaaneshi chapter would be pretty cool

[@camaro1911]

Hey majorkill keep up the great videos

[@changer_of_ways_999]

I think it'd be really interesting that the Corvus/Lorgar situation flipped their allegiance. Lorgar's meditation leads to clarity and a desire to do everything he can to undo the forces of Chaos and reconcile with his father, finally understanding why his father tried to humble and correct him and the true extent of the horrors of Chaos and that there is no path to salvation there. Then Corvus grows so vengeful and spiteful that even when confronted with a penitent and changed Lorgar, he still kills him which Lorgar even welcomes as penance, but for Corvus it's not enough. After killing Lorgar, he's still consumed with spite, goes full emo and becomes corrupted by the spirit of Malice, realizing that everything is a waste. Trying to save his legion, the Great Crusade, the Imperium, even fighting and defeating a demon prince accomplishes nothing. Why should anything exist. Nothing deserves to stand. Destroy it all, just like his legion.

[@Peelioka]

A chaos Vulkan would be terrifying!

[@Heranara]

Evil Vulcan: I don't want a hug.

[@captaintitus4637]

In one au heresy were he is a traitor he turns into a dragon and might be a lesser chaos god maybe

[@mattiaslime8926]

In heresy au in wich he fall vulkan is basically an immortal chaos dragon/demigod

[@kinzli298]

@@captaintitus4637Roboutian. Dudes a Gloriana sized dragon which is also a nascent warp god of greed and tyranny.

[@captaintitus4637]

@@kinzli298 he’s even greedier than the blood ravens

[@justinanderson2460]

Y'know what? I completely forgot that Guilliman was the one who literally punched a hole in Kor Pharon... my respect and appreciation for the daddy of the Ultrasmurfs has skyrocketed exponentially due to this fact. Thank you Majorkill for fascilitating this.

[@Writh811]

Russ was never close to falling. He attacked Magnus because he was deceived into believing that was the Emperor's order and even then he tried to communicate with Magnus to surrender to avoid the attack but Magnus never responded at which point Russ set out to do what he believed the Emperor ordered him to do. Had Nikea not gone Russ's way there may have been little difference on his side, he would have still had his misgivings but his loyalty was unflinching. A pro-psyker result would in the council would likely have seen Russ respond by ending of use of Rune Priests in the ranks of the Space Wolves in a show of defiance (The wolves believe in absolute loyalty but do not believe obedience and loyalty are the same thing.) Also there is so much stuff going back and forth in these books. I thought the Noble Shard of Magnus was suppose to be BS. Didn't Malchador tell Magnus that the shards were equal parts of Magnus? That no one part contained all of his nobility and that Magnus was just being a turd because he actually is/was an arrogant turd and the idea that one shard had all his nobility was just Magnus making up a cope for his actions. Or was Malachador lying? Can someone please clarify this for me?

[@bozeia]

I don't know that you will get clarity on that, exactly. Malcador often makes himself to be an unreliable narrator on purpose. The book this is all from (Fury of Magnus) does seem to somewhat imply that Magnus is certainly still capable of wanting to do good. He has a nice moment with Mortarion (kind of) and he also goes out of his way, at risk to his personal mission, to save a crowd of civilians taking shelter in a building that is crumbling/being destroyed. Evidence against that, though, is that the different shards do seem to have contradicting personalities and desires. If they were all equally the same personality then it's a bit strange that they were all different in this aspect. It is confirmed that the shards are supposed to be shattered pieces of his soul, and I feel like there's a lot you could make of that. My _personal_ interpretation (so take this with a grain of salt) is that it's akin to shattering a mirror. Broken mirror imagery has been used/described of Magnus before in the books as a metaphor or symbol. I think every shard is capable of showing you basically the same face you've always had but, now that the mirror is in pieces and spread out all over the floor, you are seeing everything from all different angles and some of the pieces aren't even large enough to show you all of your face. I think, and feel like, the shards are mostly representative of how emotionally conflicted Magnus was on a _lot_ of things, especially at the time that he shattered, and the different shards ended up with differing surface-level thoughts and emotions. The shard of "nobility" is chiefly guided by loyalty and wanting to do the right thing as its surface emotion but, if you pressed it, you could probably still spur it to anger or get it to be secretive and tricksy. Seeing as it became apart of the first Supreme Grand Master of the Grey Knights, which _are_ a secretive and sometimes tricksy chapter of space marines, I feel like that checks out. As for "primary Magnus", at the time he was comprised of a host of shards which supposedly included Feeling Betrayed, Anger, Love of Lost Knowledge, Scheming, Warrior Instincts, and also his Love For His Sons (I think?), among others. He's capable of good because it's still _him,_ but. Probably not the best cocktail of surface-level emotions for, say, being able to take Malcador's criticism sitting down. Or negotiating a redemption arc for that matter. That is my personal interpretation though so, again, take it with a grain of salt. XD

[@crilleedara]

I was thinking about the Sangy-thing the other week, damn it's crazy how close he actually was to falling there

[@lucaspenades]

Angron turns back loyal for sure

[@marcusrodriguez7395]

Shut up

[@an0nycat]

Angron was already insane before he became a demon...

[@Boomkokogamez]

​@an0nycat Yeah, due to the butcher nail, but he became sane for a moment when it was pulled out before it regenerated.

[@wakito64]

@@Boomkokogamez But you can't remove them without killing him. The Emperor tried and even asked for help and Him and Arkhan Land concluded that there was no way to remove the nails without killing Angron

[@grondunn9707]

​@wakito64 I honestly call massive plot armor bs. With all his capabilities he can't take out something from a medium tech planet used for slaves? What kind of God Emperor is he.

[@MWH12085]

Ultimately, this is how it would've happened Chaos- Dorn....join us. Dorn-.......no.....

[@dsurfer]

Wouldn't Magnus have a legion? The Grey Knights. It wouldn't be immediate, but I could see him taking command. Getting trained and educated about Chaos. Getting humbled by how little he actually knew. All in all it would be like a rebirth. New secret Magus, new secret legion.

[@aganaom1712]

7:04 i know introducing clone primarchs to the narrative of 40k would cause huge problems but at the same time, i salivate for a story where clone fulgrim gets released during a stasis malfunction in trazyn's vault while trazyn is busy trying to get vulkan he'stan into stasis and the two team up to escape from trazyn's vault. there could be so many good conversations about clone fulgrim learning about the failures of his original self from he'stan, not to mention a sort of inversion of the relationship original fulgrim had with ferrus manus

[@walterlaten7662]

Really the khan is overlooked i always liked him he seems like taht character that they barely mention or show strength or weakness and then tehy reveal em too be some top tier character

[@jacktacca8013]

Day 39 asking for lional heresy

[@AJ-qg4ld]

Since guilliman was first I thought I’d add the even in the alternate heresy story the author thought the best way to have a non loyalist version was not chaos but just secessionism.

[@Jitterzz]

I would definitely like to see Angron as he was meant to be and Vulkan as a douchebag. They’re the most one-dimensional of the primarchs, so that would be interesting. But I foresee that they may just flip to being the exact same. 🤣 It’d also be cool to see Vulkan and Angron being best friends. Edit: These aren’t my actual choices, just interesting ideas. The closest to being redeemed in my opinion would be Magnus, as he has a real reason for why he doesn’t have his entire personality.

[@RedXlV]

Sadly, it seems that not even the Emperor had a way to repair the damage done to Angron. Or rather, yanking the nails would've killed him too quickly for the Emperor to heal him.

[@feroexe7965]

Imagine if Morty is cured of his daemon prince self Typuhus elevating to be the new smelly moth?

[@matzekong8314]

Personaly I think Vulkan could have fallen in a similar situation like Sanguinius. It was a trap with almost all the lifes of his sons on the line.

[@IM-xs3uv]

Khorne, looking from Sanguinius to Horus and feeling the worst buyers remorse ever.

[@jonathan6401]

How each pre-heresy primarch would react to the current imperium when placed in Gullimans shoes would be a cool video idea

[@KungFuWizardOfJesus]

I really think he isn’t gonna do it

[@Depressedcatdaddy]

@@KungFuWizardOfJesusall we can do is keep trying 😭lol

[@jonathan6401]

@@KungFuWizardOfJesus I hope he will tho

[@jonathan6401]

@@Depressedcatdaddy hahaha true

[@PS3Vids10]

Completely disagree with Rogal potentially being corrupted. Literally the one primarch who has no chance of being corrupted; his whole schtick is that he's an impenetrable fortress.

[@janekbalin9276]

First, for the Lion!

[@garypipe1770]

I still want 2 major stories to play out soon. 1. Return of Loyal Clone Fulgrim who saves Guilliman 2. Omegon revealed as still loyal and actively helping The Lion in Nihilus. Both stories would need to run simultaneously for a big payoff being a mini civil war between Guilliman and The Lion as each questions the others judgement and Loyalty due to having a traitor under there leadership.

[@arcangel1172]

Leman and corax are closest to fall to chaos. Perfect fulgrim clone can be totally loyal and probably lorgar

[@starhammer5247]

@@RandomGuy-qg9xf Chaos tried to turn the Lion. A Daemon that could see every future, the strongest Daemon of Tzeentch, looked into every possible future to find exactly what would turn the Lion. He found nothing as the Lion skewered him.

[@showmeyourtuts3670]

It would be crazy if a loyalist primarch came back a traitor and a traitor primarch came back loyalist. I think it would really shake up expectations. Like Rogal fell to Chaos after millennia of being pissed off and self loathing because he couldn’t save his father and Perturabo in his accepting of mortality due to his situation decides to try and redeem himself.

[@bobrbw]

Yeah I ain’t got enough money for the whole army package, but I thought I’ve been watching your vids for long enough, and this is a big moment, so I might as well buy one. I’m so excited for that mech.

[@iloveplayingpr]

I read an excerpt about Magnus vs Vulkan, vulkan said that the Emperor never offered Magnus a second chance, and he also said that the Emperor never offered him a new legion.

[@casmd2131]

Logar getting redeemed would be incredibly funny and interesting, mostly because of how the Lion and Gman would react to that.

[@Notbatman374]

Redeemed: fulgrim. Someone trades/steals the perfect fulgrim clone from trazyn and guilliman equips him with a new primaris Emperor's children. Traitor: ferrus manus. (Sorta) With the introduction of vashtorr I think there's a great opportunity to bring the iron hands back into the main storyline. The shattered legions need to be reforged. The ironfather has been doing OK, but he is no primarch. If vashtorr were to fuse ferrus manus soul (or Warp entity, whatever) into a dreadnought and make the first primarch helbrute. With control of ferrus as a demon engine he could tempt the medusans to chaos better than any of the chaos gods. The opportunity to serve ferrus manus again, reforge the legion and potentially take revenge against both the Imperium that failed them and let them be shattered and the gods of chaos who caused the heresy. Yes the medusans may fight amongst each other trying to prevent the fall, but they are so broken no single tribe would be able to overcome a slowly reforming legion under ferrus manus and they would be wiped out without seeking Imperial help. Iron hands need a break after getting shit on for 10k years. Come on games workshop.

[@FinalTroop]

Can you do a video on Bobby G and the Lion. How they view the current setting? What their relationship with their chapters is? How they interact with each other?

[@robinderoos1166]

A loyal magnus may not have a legion, but he still has the bloody magpie chapter... But acting as a gloryfied battery for the golden throne whilst contemplating his multitude of fuggups is a good start to redeem himselfs

[@mrfluffyribs3141]

Newest lore redeems horus and it still fucks with me

[@edwardhayes6816]

Thank you @majorkill. I asked this a few weeks ago, cheers for answering :) :) Also awesome videos, hello from another drinking country- Ireland

[@ZiGGi03]

I thought Magnus noble shard was used to make Janus of the grey knights . Was he not captured by Horus ? Maybe a different grey knight . But I’m sure it was used in the creation of a grey knight . Maybe they could write a new storyline for it .

[@darkdarius]

Russ was literally forged incorruptible. Also, he always was the only one with knowledge of chaos and he was sent to the eye of terror as the Emperor knew he would not... he COULD NOT be corrupted.

[@emperorjames794]

That description of the Khan is absolutely hilarious.

[@igloo8159]

im kinda hoping the magnus part happens just so we can see big E fucking demolish chaos

[@hidefreek6905]

Perturabo can be a redeemed one because his inner wish is peace and happiness but his birthright and duty as a war tool of the emperor shatter that dream. If we manage to show Perty about the possibility of his old dream and make him not too serious about the Emperor's action and choosing his own path of saving mankind's future. He may accept the corruption cleaning and help humanity....Through I want his to fight for human future rather than Emperor vision with torment many

[@couguard]

Funny thing, I'm running a Wrath and Glory ttrpg game right now that is about magnus getting back his noble shard and being horrified by what he has become and trying to redeem himself.

[@whiskylogic4605]

...and the most likely is magus *stops video* *leaves for 4 hours* "ok yeah, fair point"